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That barbarian sword she's

That barbarian sword she's carrying is actually just 18" long. The scabbard is just for intimidation purposes.

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Hwhat! Costume art on

Hwhat! Costume art on deviantart isn't brutally practical?!

Dudes had similar attire in Black Panther actually, fairly bare torso and very covered arms and legs.

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Hwhat! Costume art on deviantart isn't brutally practical?!

Dudes had similar attire in Black Panther actually, fairly bare torso and very covered arms and legs.

Really all depends on what the attire is for. If it's armor then you don't want a large unarmored chest section. Unless it's like ceremonial armor or something not for combat.

If not armor then folks can wear what they like. As long as they're not breaking any indecent exposure laws while they do it.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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Hwhat! Costume art on deviantart isn't brutally practical?!

Dudes had similar attire in Black Panther actually, fairly bare torso and very covered arms and legs.

Really all depends on what the attire is for. If it's armor then you don't want a large unarmored chest section. Unless it's like ceremonial armor or something not for combat.

If not armor then folks can wear what they like. As long as they're not breaking any indecent exposure laws while they do it.

All right, because in my state, it's perfectly legal to go around totally nude, as long as it's not sexual. We're totally set!

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All right, because in my state, it's perfectly legal to go around totally nude, as long as it's not sexual. We're totally set!

I'm sure no one ever has any problem determining what kind of nudity is "sexual" or not in those cases. Maybe the official server of CoT will be set up in that state of yours... ;)

Anyway, I just thought of a costume idea today that I'm surprised I didn't think of years ago back in CoH: We need hairstyles that properly account for people who might have horns on their head. CoH had a few hairstyles that kind of worked for this but it was always just a matter of the horns clipping through the hair in just the right ways to look reasonable. What I'm talking about here are hairstyles that clearly have the hair shifted around based on having to make way for the horns. The following examples (of Shuten Douji) should be pretty good for illustrating this idea:

We wouldn't need every hairstyle to be "horn capable" but maybe have 2 or 3 styles that specifically would require horns to work as intended.

P.S. I wouldn't mind getting a similar kind of "hair clip" decoration that appears in these pics as well.

P.P.S. Obviously this idea could work for antennae as well as horns.

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Hopefully we can get all

Hopefully we can get all hairs to work with horns. Nothing is more disappointing than having very limited options (other than having no options, obviously).

As for options that clip, I say bring it on! I hope we get all the options available even if clipping occurs. Who knows some people might be able to make the clipping work very well!

Also! Ponytails. Lots of them. Having 2 or 3 isn't enough!

Oh oh! Oh! Maybe we can get hair options that are seperate from eachother. So you'd select a base hair, then the front, back, and sides. Some wrestling games do this (though admittedly it doesn't look great).

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Project_Hero wrote:
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Hopefully we can get all hairs to work with horns. Nothing is more disappointing than having very limited options (other than having no options, obviously).

As for options that clip, I say bring it on! I hope we get all the options available even if clipping occurs. Who knows some people might be able to make the clipping work very well!

To be absolutely clear (because for some reason I always have make sure people understand my overall position on these things) I am totally fine with "advantageous clipping" when it comes to ANY costuming situation. I'm not against having plenty of "normal hair" options with horns to see what kinds of combinations are possible. Like I said there were hair/horn combos that worked well enough back in CoH.

But I'd still like a few new options like I mentioned in my last post so that we can have some hairstyles that look like they had to (logically) account for big frinkin' horns sticking out of my characters' heads. ;)

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Also! Ponytails. Lots of them. Having 2 or 3 isn't enough!

I'm for having as many ponytail styles as possible. I personally want "Rapunzel" length braids that whip around like tails:

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Oh oh! Oh! Maybe we can get hair options that are seperate from eachother. So you'd select a base hair, then the front, back, and sides. Some wrestling games do this (though admittedly it doesn't look great).

Fallout 4 used this idea pretty effectively to allow like a dozen basic styles to expand out to hundreds of decent looking hair combos.

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I didn't mean to imply that

I didn't mean to imply that you were against options that clip. But I'm sure people will appreciate the clarification.

I hope it works better in fallout 4 than it does in most wrestling games that use the option.

Might at least be a nice option to be allowed to add a ponytail or pigtails to any hairstyle. Ponytail on a ponytail? Why not? :D

Edit: While on the subject of hair... Quills. Like a porcupine. For hair. For reasons.

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Oh oh! Oh! Maybe we can get hair options that are separate from each other. So you'd select a base hair, then the front, back, and sides. Some wrestling games do this (though admittedly it doesn't look great).

I recall suggesting, some time ago, that any/all hairstyles be made from 'top' and 'bottom' overlapping sections. My point was for Hats that didn't erase Hair. However, I remember, in that discussion, the idea that hairstyles could be 'built' that way, so as to allow mix-n-match, as well.

For instance, a 'mop' on top and bare on the bottom... well, that's what a Mohawk actually looks like when it's at the office, rather than the club. Short on top and long on the bottom? Yup, instant mullet. There are lots of ways to assemble a custom hairdo from basic parts.

It would certainly be cool if these hair-parts were 'smart' and knew how to work around obstacles, like horns, antennae, data-jacks. goggles, and whatnot.

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I just finished watching

I just finished watching Black Panther and we need a retractable spear

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I just finished watching Black Panther and we need a retractable spear

I think that's a prop request.

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Maybe I'll move it there then

Maybe I'll move it there then....

I also want the ability to make costume pieces from older eras look futuristic, like I know I can just change the texture of it to a futuristic metal, but I want more than that, like if I could use that emblem shifting mechanics I saw on one of the kickstarter updates to add glow lines to costumes, or to make an emblem act like a glow line, or if I could add a string of runes to my costume pieces that act like a glow line in different ancient languages like Ancient Egyptian or Celtic or African languages.

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Also? Runes as emblems, all

Also? Runes as emblems, all sorts of different options and characters as well, Japanese, Celtic, African, Arabian just anything.

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Hwhat! Costume art on deviantart isn't brutally practical?!

Dudes had similar attire in Black Panther actually, fairly bare torso and very covered arms and legs.

That was the Jabari Tribe and especially M'Baku... who is now my second favorite MCU character, after Loki.
Their attire was probably more of a ceremonial sort, meant to emulate gorillas. Like their, surprisingly awesome, grunting.
But yes, it would've been really impractical too... considering they chose to live on/in a snowy mountain. The inside may have been heated, but the outside... brrr.

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One of my first thoughts, was

One of my first thoughts, was how impractical their armor seemed in BP and only because other people complain about such things :p Even in WW, they were wearing terrible armor.

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Well, they are (comic book)

Well, they are (comic book) Amazons...what's the point of having those if you can't see a maximum amount of skin. /s
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One of my first thoughts, was how impractical their armor seemed in BP and only because other people complain about such things :p Even in WW, they were wearing terrible armor.

They apparently sew vibranium into their clothing, which can explain the more clothy parts. Unless that's not what you're talking about in which case I'd need to see some examples.

If all the amazons are as (or nearly as) strong and durable as Wonder Woman, then they could get away with having less than stellar protection from the armor. Though in the movie we know this was not the case.

There are ways around poor/impractical armor designs, but it would be better to just have better armor designs. Especially for female characters. High heels and a metal bikini does not make for very practical armor.

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Seemed almost implied that

Seemed almost implied that the Jabari missed out on a lot of the Vibranium, they didn't have silvery clothing.

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Seemed almost implied that the Jabari missed out on a lot of the Vibranium, they didn't have silvery clothing.

Yeah, their weapons didn't look it either, but they could just be super old vibranium weapons in this case.

I know M'Baku (dunno if I spelled the name right) had some metal looking deelies on his fluffy bracers.

So they could just be using really old/not super well made vibranium stuff. But yeah, they seemed to have a lot less of it. I guess living in seclusion will do that to you.

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One of my first thoughts, was how impractical their armor seemed in BP and only because other people complain about such things :p Even in WW, they were wearing terrible armor.

They apparently sew vibranium into their clothing, which can explain the more clothy parts. Unless that's not what you're talking about in which case I'd need to see some examples.

If all the amazons are as (or nearly as) strong and durable as Wonder Woman, then they could get away with having less than stellar protection from the armor. Though in the movie we know this was not the case.

There are ways around poor/impractical armor designs, but it would be better to just have better armor designs. Especially for female characters. High heels and a metal bikini does not make for very practical armor.

Well, we know they don't have it in their every day clothes, at least the non special people, as Nakia was given armor before going into battle and we know the War Dogs weren't supplied any, as N'Jobu had to steal it, to get it. Even Zuri was lacking it in, what I'm guessing, was his ceremonial outfit.

So, that stuff isn't placed into as much stuff as one might think and the movie seemed to imply, it had to be for the city, the warriors, and the royals (very likely why they wanted to stay in power :p), above anything else.

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Brand X wrote:
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One of my first thoughts, was how impractical their armor seemed in BP and only because other people complain about such things :p Even in WW, they were wearing terrible armor.

They apparently sew vibranium into their clothing, which can explain the more clothy parts. Unless that's not what you're talking about in which case I'd need to see some examples.

If all the amazons are as (or nearly as) strong and durable as Wonder Woman, then they could get away with having less than stellar protection from the armor. Though in the movie we know this was not the case.

There are ways around poor/impractical armor designs, but it would be better to just have better armor designs. Especially for female characters. High heels and a metal bikini does not make for very practical armor.

Well, we know they don't have it in their every day clothes, at least the non special people, as Nakia was given armor before going into battle and we know the War Dogs weren't supplied any, as N'Jobu had to steal it, to get it. Even Zuri was lacking it in, what I'm guessing, was his ceremonial outfit.

So, that stuff isn't placed into as much stuff as one might think and the movie seemed to imply, it had to be for the city, the warriors, and the royals (very likely why they wanted to stay in power :p), above anything else.

I don't think we can know for sure any of that stuff. Regular clothes vs. armor could just have different percentages of vibranium weave. As the only thing that will stop a vibranium weapon is presumably more vibranium (or force fields.)

N'Jobu was an undercover operative, and stole vibranium so people could use it to make weapons.

Zuri might have had some, I don't remember too much about it, but presumably all weapons in Wakanda are vibranium and vibranium beats vibranium.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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One of my first thoughts, was how impractical their armor seemed in BP and only because other people complain about such things :p Even in WW, they were wearing terrible armor.

They apparently sew vibranium into their clothing, which can explain the more clothy parts. Unless that's not what you're talking about in which case I'd need to see some examples.

If all the amazons are as (or nearly as) strong and durable as Wonder Woman, then they could get away with having less than stellar protection from the armor. Though in the movie we know this was not the case.

There are ways around poor/impractical armor designs, but it would be better to just have better armor designs. Especially for female characters. High heels and a metal bikini does not make for very practical armor.

Well, we know they don't have it in their every day clothes, at least the non special people, as Nakia was given armor before going into battle and we know the War Dogs weren't supplied any, as N'Jobu had to steal it, to get it. Even Zuri was lacking it in, what I'm guessing, was his ceremonial outfit.

So, that stuff isn't placed into as much stuff as one might think and the movie seemed to imply, it had to be for the city, the warriors, and the royals (very likely why they wanted to stay in power :p), above anything else.

I don't think we can know for sure any of that stuff. Regular clothes vs. armor could just have different percentages of vibranium weave. As the only thing that will stop a vibranium weapon is presumably more vibranium (or force fields.)

N'Jobu was an undercover operative, and stole vibranium so people could use it to make weapons.

Zuri might have had some, I don't remember too much about it, but presumably all weapons in Wakanda are vibranium and vibranium beats vibranium.

Oh, I would guess the weapons are made of it.

N'Jobu stealing it, was my point. It would seem vibranium isn't something they just hand out to anyone in the populace. Which makes sense, since the ruling family would likely lose power if they just handed it out to everyone.

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I don't know, what kind of

I don't know, what kind of power does giving someone a shirt with a bit of vibranium in it give them in a place where vibranium weaponry exists?

All it probably does for most normal (read as non combat) clothing is give it much more durability and would protect the wearer some against things like, impacts (hit by cars, falling objects, etc.).

They're not handing out weaponry, obviously, so I imagine the dangers of having vibranium clothing is minimal. Though as we saw in that museum they also make tools out of vibranium.

From what we saw of Wakanda everyone there seemed taken care of and if not happy then content enough (except for M'Baku's people). Granted we didn't spend much time on the Wakandan streets to know anything for certain, and without knowing their crime rates and such we can't exactly make any broad statements one way or the other.

They have a system set up where there is a time and a place to challenge the rulers of Wakanda, any sort of coup that doesn't follow the rules would likely be short lived, if such a thing didn't have the majority of the people behind it. As such I don't think there's any issue of losing power to a family that has highly powerful weaponry, devices that can shut down the properties of vibranium, and a plant that grants literal super powers.

Edit: This isn't to say that the manufacturers of vibranium clothing and tools and whatever else isn't overseen by government employees, which could definitely be the case.

Is it vibranium or adamantium (or both) that once forged can't be reforged? I think it's adamantium, but it could be vibranium... If vibranium is hard (or impossible) to reforge then only raw vibranium is the problem, handing out a shirt with vibranium fibers will always be a shirt and not much else. I mean maybe you could take the threads out and do something with them, though I doubt you could weaponize it all that effectively.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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They have a system set up where there is a time and a place to challenge the rulers of Wakanda, any sort of coup that doesn't follow the rules would likely be short lived, if such a thing didn't have the majority of the people behind it. As such I don't think there's any issue of losing power to a family that has highly powerful weaponry, devices that can shut down the properties of vibranium, and a plant that grants literal super powers.

Edit: This isn't to say that the manufacturers of vibranium clothing and tools and whatever else isn't overseen by government employees, which could definitely be the case.

Is it vibranium or adamantium (or both) that once forged can't be reforged? I think it's adamantium, but it could be vibranium... If vibranium is hard (or impossible) to reforge then only raw vibranium is the problem, handing out a shirt with vibranium fibers will always be a shirt and not much else. I mean maybe you could take the threads out and do something with them, though I doubt you could weaponize it all that effectively.

Well, like I said, this was based on what we saw in the movie.

The ex-GF needed to put on armor, as her normal clothes was not armor. So likely, no vibranium in it or it'd already be armor.

And as we saw, Killmonger challenged the rulers, won, and he was subject to a coup, because the original ruling family was not happy with losing their power legitly. Which is one of the reasons I loved M'Baku :) He knew what was up and spoke up about it, even if he did decide to join the coup in the end. :(

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She needed to put on armor,

She needed to put on armor, but armor in this case could just have a higher concentration of vibranium threads, and or solid vibranium parts, force fields, other effects, etc. More protection is better than less.

BP didn't give up, and didn't die. As was stated, the challenge wasn't over. Killmonger then refused to continue the challenge, but had some support from certain factions, thus the tussle began.

And it was less they weren't happy with losing their power and more concerned with how that power would be abused. They'd likely have been happy to succeed the throne if no one died and the ruler to be seemed to be good for Wakanda.

Though I do wonder if we'll see Wakanda dissolve their monarchy for a democracy, especially after seeing how the current governmental system can be abused.

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Or possibly a constitutional

Or possibly a constitutional monarchy, whether along modern British lines or with more authority still vested in the monarch or some other system entirely...

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I have no idea how feasible

I have no idea how feasible this is, especially when we're talking about cloth physics and the utter frustration they can cause but...

The cape that mostly obscures the entire body until part of it is thrown back, revealing a hidden gadget or just allowing the hero (or villain) to begin fighting. It's such an iconic part of the brooding and the powerful. Perhaps a way to make it work is having it scaled back to normal cape size when you're flagged as being in combat or under the influence of a travel power.

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Actually there was a whole

Actually there was a whole thread about full capes and cloaks here.

But despite that entire thread, I think what you propose here deserves some consideration. I see it as almost an out-of-combat cape with an in-combat cape morph.

So, out of combat, you can have your full cape which will work for most body movements and some emotes. Because of the issues associated with armor design and body sliders, I can't see a full cape not clipping all the time. But then there are going to be all sorts of costume designs that clip, so we shouldn't let that stop us. Just leave it to the player's discretion to choose a full cape and costume choice that clips or not.

Then in combat, the cape would fold back behind both shoulders like every other cape design.

I think there would be a lot of players who would like this concept.


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BP didn't give up, and didn't die. As was stated, the challenge wasn't over. Killmonger then refused to continue the challenge, but had some support from certain factions, thus the tussle began.

He didn't die, because his family interfered. You know, that thing against the rules. :p Was even stated, if he was moved, he'd die. Then not only did they interfere, he was given the powers of the Black Panther (that which is stripped from you for the election process), so he could live. He lost. Anything else is just a royal family trying to find a way to keep in power. :p Just like how his mom tried to spin it, that he was murdered.

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So do Snoods.

So do Snoods.

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BP didn't give up, and didn't die. As was stated, the challenge wasn't over. Killmonger then refused to continue the challenge, but had some support from certain factions, thus the tussle began.

He didn't die, because his family interfered. You know, that thing against the rules. :p Was even stated, if he was moved, he'd die. Then not only did they interfere, he was given the powers of the Black Panther (that which is stripped from you for the election process), so he could live. He lost. Anything else is just a royal family trying to find a way to keep in power. :p Just like how his mom tried to spin it, that he was murdered.

KM was given the powers of BP before T'challa who had neither given up nor died. So technically KM should have been disqualified. BP gave KM the opportunity to continue the challenge where they left off, and it was refused.

And you're also ignoring the fact that KM would have destroyed the wakandan way of life and plunged them into a war with the entire world. So less "the royal family trying to keep in power" and more a "we don't want wakanda to be embroiled in a world wide race war."

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Flowing hip sash, like

Flowing hip sash, like Khedians and Carnies had.

While we're at it, cross-body sashes, both plain and with lettering/symbols, a la Miss America.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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BP didn't give up, and didn't die. As was stated, the challenge wasn't over. Killmonger then refused to continue the challenge, but had some support from certain factions, thus the tussle began.

He didn't die, because his family interfered. You know, that thing against the rules. :p Was even stated, if he was moved, he'd die. Then not only did they interfere, he was given the powers of the Black Panther (that which is stripped from you for the election process), so he could live. He lost. Anything else is just a royal family trying to find a way to keep in power. :p Just like how his mom tried to spin it, that he was murdered.

KM was given the powers of BP before T'challa who had neither given up nor died. So technically KM should have been disqualified. BP gave KM the opportunity to continue the challenge where they left off, and it was refused.

And you're also ignoring the fact that KM would have destroyed the wakandan way of life and plunged them into a war with the entire world. So less "the royal family trying to keep in power" and more a "we don't want wakanda to be embroiled in a world wide race war."

T'Challa was thrown off a cliff and only lived due to interference of others. It was even stated, he was only alive because they kept him alive. If none interfered, T'Challa would be dead.

Killmonger didn't destroy their way of life. He won the title of king and was as king deciding the way of life, as was their custom. Some just didn't like it. Some did. Some really only cared that T'Challa stays in power.

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BP didn't give up, and didn't die. As was stated, the challenge wasn't over. Killmonger then refused to continue the challenge, but had some support from certain factions, thus the tussle began.

He didn't die, because his family interfered. You know, that thing against the rules. :p Was even stated, if he was moved, he'd die. Then not only did they interfere, he was given the powers of the Black Panther (that which is stripped from you for the election process), so he could live. He lost. Anything else is just a royal family trying to find a way to keep in power. :p Just like how his mom tried to spin it, that he was murdered.

KM was given the powers of BP before T'challa who had neither given up nor died. So technically KM should have been disqualified. BP gave KM the opportunity to continue the challenge where they left off, and it was refused.

And you're also ignoring the fact that KM would have destroyed the wakandan way of life and plunged them into a war with the entire world. So less "the royal family trying to keep in power" and more a "we don't want wakanda to be embroiled in a world wide race war."

T'Challa was thrown off a cliff and only lived due to interference of others. It was even stated, he was only alive because they kept him alive. If none interfered, T'Challa would be dead.

Killmonger didn't destroy their way of life. He won the title of king and was as king deciding the way of life, as was their custom. Some just didn't like it. Some did. Some really only cared that T'Challa stays in power.

Would have destroyed. Not did. Would have.

Unfortunately we don't know the exact when T'challa was interfered with, so for all we know KM got the powers of the Black Panther before that happened, which would mean that the challenge wasn't over when he got those powers.

I'm 100% certain that if T'challa was beaten during the challenge by another honorable, good, person his family would have had no problem with the transference of power. Heck if it was another good person that T'challa couldn't beat he'd probably have given up rather than getting himself killed.

I really have no idea how you saw this movie and said to yourself "man, T'challa's family only want to keep in power." When a murderous, warmonger, wanted to throw away Wakanda's peace and plunge the country into war. Hell they went to M'baku to give -HIM- the power of black panther so he could stop Killmonger.

They didn't care who was in power as long as it wasn't Killmonger.

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Man. How did this Costume

Man. How did this Costume Request Thread derail into a Black Panther Spoiler-fest and Debate?

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Man. How did this Costume Request Thread derail into a Black Panther Spoiler-fest and Debate?

I'm not entirely sure.

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Man. How did this Costume Request Thread derail into a Black Panther Spoiler-fest and Debate?

I'm not entirely sure.

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BP didn't give up, and didn't die. As was stated, the challenge wasn't over. Killmonger then refused to continue the challenge, but had some support from certain factions, thus the tussle began.

He didn't die, because his family interfered. You know, that thing against the rules. :p Was even stated, if he was moved, he'd die. Then not only did they interfere, he was given the powers of the Black Panther (that which is stripped from you for the election process), so he could live. He lost. Anything else is just a royal family trying to find a way to keep in power. :p Just like how his mom tried to spin it, that he was murdered.

KM was given the powers of BP before T'challa who had neither given up nor died. So technically KM should have been disqualified. BP gave KM the opportunity to continue the challenge where they left off, and it was refused.

And you're also ignoring the fact that KM would have destroyed the wakandan way of life and plunged them into a war with the entire world. So less "the royal family trying to keep in power" and more a "we don't want wakanda to be embroiled in a world wide race war."

T'Challa was thrown off a cliff and only lived due to interference of others. It was even stated, he was only alive because they kept him alive. If none interfered, T'Challa would be dead.

Killmonger didn't destroy their way of life. He won the title of king and was as king deciding the way of life, as was their custom. Some just didn't like it. Some did. Some really only cared that T'Challa stays in power.

Would have destroyed. Not did. Would have.

Unfortunately we don't know the exact when T'challa was interfered with, so for all we know KM got the powers of the Black Panther before that happened, which would mean that the challenge wasn't over when he got those powers.

I'm 100% certain that if T'challa was beaten during the challenge by another honorable, good, person his family would have had no problem with the transference of power. Heck if it was another good person that T'challa couldn't beat he'd probably have given up rather than getting himself killed.

I really have no idea how you saw this movie and said to yourself "man, T'challa's family only want to keep in power." When a murderous, warmonger, wanted to throw away Wakanda's peace and plunge the country into war. Hell they went to M'baku to give -HIM- the power of black panther so he could stop Killmonger.

They didn't care who was in power as long as it wasn't Killmonger.

His mother really. She lied to Baku about the defeat. She called it murder and he called her out on her lie.

When Baku challenged for the throne, his family looked on him in disgust at the idea of someone not of their family taking the throne.

They only went to Baku to give him the power, because they hated Killmonger more.

Killmonger won the duel fairly. Also note, they wanted to give Baku the power of the BP, because they knew he couldn't beat Killmonger in the honorable, beat up your rival for the position, either.

They had to hope for someone with BP powers to beat him with his own BP powers.

When the rule of your government is, "You win the fight, you rule" and they then get upset with who won the fight (Killmonger won fairly) and rebel against him, what's the point of their election process and their tradition keeping? They'll obviously break it the second something doesn't go their way. :p

Before Killmonger, T'Challa was going to keep Wakanda isolated and a secret from everyone and it took Killmonger for him to go "Okay, maybe we shouldn't keep the world in the dark."

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Man. How did this Costume Request Thread derail into a Black Panther Spoiler-fest and Debate?

I'm not entirely sure.

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His mother really. She lied to Baku about the defeat. She called it murder and he called her out on her lie.

When Baku challenged for the throne, his family looked on him in disgust at the idea of someone not of their family taking the throne.

They only went to Baku to give him the power, because they hated Killmonger more.

Killmonger won the duel fairly. Also note, they wanted to give Baku the power of the BP, because they knew he couldn't beat Killmonger in the honorable, beat up your rival for the position, either.

They had to hope for someone with BP powers to beat him with his own BP powers.

When the rule of your government is, "You win the fight, you rule" and they then get upset with who won the fight (Killmonger won fairly) and rebel against him, what's the point of their election process and their tradition keeping? They'll obviously break it the second something doesn't go their way. :p

Before Killmonger, T'Challa was going to keep Wakanda isolated and a secret from everyone and it took Killmonger for him to go "Okay, maybe we shouldn't keep the world in the dark."

I got the feeling that the whole challenge for the throne thing was, at this point, more or less just a formality. A part of the coronation ceremony that no one had taken seriously for a long time. As such when someone shows up and goes "yeah, I'll take you up on that" of course they'll be looked down upon.

Wakanda had prospered under T'challa's ancestors, why would anyone want to take a gamble on someone new? Especially from an exiled tribe.

Now on to KM. You seriously think he'd have accepted a challenge from M'baku? Hell, if you remember T'challa didn't even need to entertain the suggested challenge from KM. The time for the challenge was over.

I seriously don't know where you're getting the whole "the family just wanted to stay in power" thing from. Wakanda is a patriarchal society. A king rules. The mother, and sister, no matter what would not be in power. They knew this. They went to M'baku because he was the only person they knew who stood a chance at beating KM.

You seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that KM was going to throw Wakanda into turmoil and chaos. Rightful king or not he was bad news. And yes BP's family are going to be mad at and hate a person who seemingly killed a part of their family. The notion that they did any of what they did to "remain in power" is ludicrous and show a gross misunderstanding of the film.

And with that I'm done with this conversation. You either don't get it, or are willfully being ignorant of the facts put forth in the movie.

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Then it becomes, why stick to

Then it becomes, why stick to tradition? To make others feel better about themselves?

I actually got the impression anyone could've fought T'Challa for the throne. It looked like his sister could've, when everyone was surprised (then annoyed) by her raising her hand.

Then there's just looking deeper into things. Who's likely to have the best training money can buy? The lowly people, or the royal family? You just want to miss the the real background of it all. It's a story about how they spout about how important tradition is, then go back on it when tradition doesn't go their way.

You are right. T'Challa could've said no to his challenge at that point, but he didn't. Then he lost and had to (not his fault, as it was his family who did it) cheat to get back into it.

I'd say the movie was a tale of him becoming a hero. What was the first thing he thought in the movie? Screw helping everyone else. Keep everyone else out. It was only after seeing how that had been and not liking it, that he went, maybe family tradition was bad.

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Back on topic I hope we can

Back on topic I hope we can get clothing options/patterns based on many different cultures.

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Man. How did this Costume Request Thread derail into a Black Panther Spoiler-fest and Debate?

What's more amazing is that I had nothing to do with it... I haven't even seen Black Panther yet. ;)

Instead I'll just throw out another costume suggestion that I'm not quite sure has been made yet: I'd like to get full suits of spandex that would make my characters look like very "humanoid" robots/droids. Instead of looking like "obvious metallic robots" (like C-3PO) I guess I'm talking more like thick, skin-colored "tron suits" (with a bit of 3D-ness to highlight seams/panels) that could be used like a base layer of clothing that other clothes (like tank tops or jackets) could go over:

The basic idea is to make the "skin" of the character look slightly artificial while preserving the basic human body shape.

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Brilliant idea. And so are

Brilliant idea. And so are some of the shoes and hair.

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Man. How did this Costume Request Thread derail into a Black Panther Spoiler-fest and Debate?

What's more amazing is that I had nothing to do with it... I haven't even seen Black Panther yet. ;)

Instead I'll just throw out another costume suggestion that I'm not quite sure has been made yet: I'd like to get full suits of spandex that would make my characters look like very "humanoid" robots/droids. Instead of looking like "obvious metallic robots" (like C-3PO) I guess I'm talking more like thick, skin-colored "tron suits" (with a bit of 3D-ness to highlight seams/panels) that could be used like a base layer of clothing that other clothes (like tank tops or jackets) could go over:

IMAGE(https://creativepool.com/files/candidate/portfolio/full/526882.jpg)IMAGE(https://wallpaperscraft.com/image/girl_robot_latex_blonde_emotions_11157_1366x768.jpg)IMAGE(https://orig00.deviantart.net/9bcd/f/2012/106/0/d/cyborg_by_biiogoth-d4wcfwa.jpg)IMAGE(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/aa/cc/74aaccd078cc38a0749f84d0817c5364.jpg)

The basic idea is to make the "skin" of the character look slightly artificial while preserving the basic human body shape.

This gets me thinking of the video for ...Ready For It?

There's two instances of costumes similar (Skin tone and White), though they might be a bit too seamless.

Really the main reason I bring this up, is because I'd like to add in the request for basically every costume in that video, AND there's a sequence starting at about 1:53 that would make an amazing (if possibly rather long) casting animation (levitating, surrounded by orbs of light that seem to respond to manual gestures).

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I like this. Its looks like

I like this. Its looks like just a texture that can be applied to a spandex costume. kind of a techno-bot look.

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This gets me thinking of the video for ...Ready For It?

There's two instances of costumes similar (Skin tone and White), though they might be a bit too seamless.

Really the main reason I bring this up, is because I'd like to add in the request for basically every costume in that video, AND there's a sequence starting at about 1:53 that would make an amazing (if possibly rather long) casting animation (levitating, surrounded by orbs of light that seem to respond to manual gestures).

Yeah the Taylor Swift examples are pretty close to what I was thinking. I also considered what they did for Scarlett Johansson in the Ghost in the Shell movie:

But like you said I was thinking of having seams/panels that were a bit more "noticeable" (like the top right and bottom left pics I provided).

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I like this. Its looks like just a texture that can be applied to a spandex costume. kind of a techno-bot look.

Yeah I figured it'd be easier for the Devs to give us spandex suits with this kind of detail than it would be to get entirely separate body models built like this. As spandex suits they could eventually provide multiple styles for this including "glowing seams" and "non-glowing seams".

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Now that we have seen the chargen in action...this will be possible...
makes all those werewolves a bit less human...

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This type of bodysuit has

This type of bodysuit has been around for awhile, they started as doll joint leggings and evolved from there. We've seen in some of the demo videos that raised seams on the spandex are a possibility, so sunken seams are probably possible as well. There might be very little 3D work involved. It might just be a texture and UV map change to make it work. (I may be using the wrong terminology, please make sure to tell me what an idiot I am)

Personally, I'm partial to Lothic's examples. They said we'll be able to change out parts like legs and arms. So, having a set of cybernetic legs that are a wee bit different in geometry from normal human should be fine.Of course I don't think they have demonstrated that feature yet. They'll have to do it before too long as I'm sure they'll want to start demoing their main characters soon. It'll be a requirement for Anthem.

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Now that we have seen the chargen in action...this will be possible...
makes all those werewolves a bit less human...

Either that or clones of Muscle Memory Man (assuming we can make asymmetrical arms):

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Is that Muscle Memory Man, or Really Lonely Guy?

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This type of bodysuit has been around for awhile, they started as doll joint leggings and evolved from there. We've seen in some of the demo videos that raised seams on the spandex are a possibility, so sunken seams are probably possible as well. There might be very little 3D work involved. It might just be a texture and UV map change to make it work. (I may be using the wrong terminology, please make sure to tell me what an idiot I am)

Personally, I'm partial to Lothic's examples. They said we'll be able to change out parts like legs and arms. So, having a set of cybernetic legs that are a wee bit different in geometry from normal human should be fine.Of course I don't think they have demonstrated that feature yet. They'll have to do it before too long as I'm sure they'll want to start demoing their main characters soon. It'll be a requirement for Anthem.

Sure being able to have something like this for say just the legs or for one arm (like Anthem) would be cool too.

The interesting part about implementing something like this as skin-tight clothing is that you could use this for multiple character concepts. For example you could either play it like you have a fully artificial bionic arm or you could say you have a normal human arm but you're wearing a special skin-tight super suit (more like Iron Man). In one case your arm would be fully artificial (at least RP wise) and in the other it would be a type of clothing you could change from one costume slot to the next so that you could have a "secret ID" costume without it.

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Is that Muscle Memory Man, or Really Lonely Guy?

No you're thinking of the guy from the Masturbation Network in Idiocracy:

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I wonder if we could make something like this

All this talk of giant limbs made me think of it.

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aaaaand this should end this


aaaaand that should end this little sidetrack....

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I\This would make a nice


This would make a nice background for all the characters in your slots. It would be nice to see all your toons at once.

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This would make a nice background for all the characters in your slots. It would be nice to see all your toons at once.

Having them set up in various comic book group shot poses would be better I think, with the one selected to the front.

Or possibly having them be in some form of pose on the front of what looks to be a comic with the hero's name being the comic title (possibly having it's look based on what path your character is on), then when you select it it could open the comic and the camera dives right in, cue loading screen.

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I don't think 'all' of my toons would fit on-screen.

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This would make a nice background for all the characters in your slots. It would be nice to see all your toons at once.

There have been several suggestions in this forum for being able to have "costume mannequins" that would let you load up a specific costume (via the costume save files). If we could line up a bunch of these mannequins in our supergroup/personal bases and then have the "lineup background" behind them you could accomplish something like this.

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I don't think 'all' of my toons would fit on-screen.

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If it was just all the characters on a page of characters, then the max per page could be 6 or 8.

But then I'd want to be able to arrange them to make the best possible group shots.

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I don't think 'all' of my toons would fit on-screen.

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If it was just all the characters on a page of characters, then the max per page could be 6 or 8.

But then I'd want to be able to arrange them to make the best possible group shots.

Again doing this via the "mannequin" idea would let you "pose" them in any order you'd want before you took your screenshots.

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another idea...power armor

another idea...power armor with the mask in the open position,

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another idea...power armor with the mask in the open position

Well the simple way they could do that would be to just have two separate costume items. For instance you could have "Helmet X with closed visor" and "Helmet X with open visor" as two unique items.

But what would be super cool is to have a single helmet that could be dynamically opened or closed and then there could be a keybind command that would toggle the open/closed position. This way you wouldn't need to switch out an entire costume just to get the "open helmet" or "closed helmet" version.

We know there are games (like ESO) which let you toggle on/off the entire helmet of a character with the press of a key. All we need is something similar to that for CoT.

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another idea...power armor with the mask in the open position,

Better idea. Masks that are open outside of combat and closed in combat.

Or perhaps costume pieces that can change with a / command. Sort of like FF14's... I forget the command but I think it's /pose with it you can cycle through various idle stances (with weapons out and without) for standing and sitting (chairs and ground) which the game remembers for the next time you're idle or sitting.

Honestly FF14 has some of the best emotes I've ever seen in a game. A lot of them are context based, chair nearby when you /sit? You sit on the chair. Short character you want to /hug? You crouch/lean down to do that. Tall character you want to emote at? You get up on your tippie-toes to do so.

Edit: just remembered FF14 has a /visor emote that makes your character lift or lower their visor.

Also Lothic and I had a similar thought it seems.

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Edit: just remembered FF14 has a /visor emote that makes your character lift or lower their visor.

Also Lothic and I had a similar thought it seems.

Yeah the FF14 /visor command was pretty much what I was thinking. There could potentially be other types of costume items that could be "emote toggled" like that such as different poses with capes either wrapped around your body or not.

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Edit: just remembered FF14 has a /visor emote that makes your character lift or lower their visor.

Also Lothic and I had a similar thought it seems.

Yeah the FF14 /visor command was pretty much what I was thinking. There could potentially be other types of costume items that could be "emote toggled" like that such as different poses with capes either wrapped around your body or not.

/Cape

Various cape poses.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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Edit: just remembered FF14 has a /visor emote that makes your character lift or lower their visor.

Also Lothic and I had a similar thought it seems.

Yeah the FF14 /visor command was pretty much what I was thinking. There could potentially be other types of costume items that could be "emote toggled" like that such as different poses with capes either wrapped around your body or not.

/Cape

Various cape poses.

Exactly. But it could even apply to things like "trenchcoat buttoned/unbuttoned", "hoodie up/down" or "sunglasses on/off". There could be a whole set of dynamic costume items that could be made to be "toggleable" by the same kinds of keybinds.

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If we can have sunglasses on

If we can have sunglasses on or off...

Yeeeeeeeeah!

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The line up at character

The line up at character selection gave me a neat idea. Did anyone else play around with X-Com 2's poster maker from the expansion? Such a thing could be used to create custom comic title pages for each hero or villain. Something that would also be easily shared among player to build community.

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Imagedump incoming.

Imagedump incoming.

Birds of prey pieces and costumes, but most importantly... Owls:

The Eastern influence of this one is incredible:

I especially love the chest piece of this one:

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There are all different kinds of styles, complexities, themes, and even eras in here but they all have a good "owly" feel to them!

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Owlman!? I love me some

Owlman!? I love me some Owlman, but...

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I prefer FALCONS

I prefer FALCONS

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I prefer FALCONS

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I, for one, am 900% on board

I, for one, am 900% on board with "more noticeable android" skin/armor. Though, almost everyone does android as " you have to tell people or they don't know".

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I, for one, am 900% on board with "more noticeable android" skin/armor. Though, almost everyone does android as " you have to tell people or they don't know".

I simply want the players of this game to have as many choices as possible. If you want to play an "android" that looks/acts completely like a 100% real human unless you blow it up into a million pieces that's fine with me. I just want an "in-between" option between "perfectly undetectable robot" and "totally obvious C-3PO clone".

P.S. I sort of have a cool idea to play a gynoid (who would be wearing one of my suggested "android skin" spandex suits) who's somehow convinced herself she's a "real human" despite the obvious seams/panels in her skin. I'd have her wear normal clothes over the spandex and make her effectively self-delusional about the true "artificial" nature of her body.

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"Look Out... it's Glowing Boob-Man!"
Seriously, who thought this was a good idea?

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How bad could I possibly be? Let's see...

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Lothic wrote:
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I, for one, am 900% on board with "more noticeable android" skin/armor. Though, almost everyone does android as " you have to tell people or they don't know".

I simply want the players of this game to have as many choices as possible. If you want to play an "android" that looks/acts completely like a 100% real human unless you blow it up into a million pieces that's fine with me. I just want an "in-between" option between "perfectly undetectable robot" and "totally obvious C-3PO clone".

P.S. I sort of have a cool idea to play a gynoid (who would be wearing one of my suggested "android skin" spandex suits) who's somehow convinced herself she's a "real human" despite the obvious seams/panels in her skin. I'd have her wear normal clothes over the spandex and make her effectively self-delusional about the true "artificial" nature of her body.

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OMG Cyclops, I can't beleive

OMG Cyclops, I can't beleive they're going to make a Battle Angel Alita full length live action movie. I still have the original Manga from almost 30 years ago.


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I had no idea it was going to

I had no idea it was going to be a movie! The trailer looks great!

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Cyclops wrote:
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P.S. I sort of have a cool idea to play a gynoid (who would be wearing one of my suggested "android skin" spandex suits) who's somehow convinced herself she's a "real human" despite the obvious seams/panels in her skin. I'd have her wear normal clothes over the spandex and make her effectively self-delusional about the true "artificial" nature of her body.

For what it's worth I never claimed my character idea was a "completely original" one and I wasn't going to name my character anything close to "B.A.A." regardless. Besides to be picky Alita is fully aware she's not "completely human" which is a pretty fundamental difference. Just making the point that concepts like this would be very doable with something like "android skin" spandex. ;)

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OMG Cyclops, I can't beleive they're going to make a Battle Angel Alita full length live action movie. I still have the original Manga from almost 30 years ago.

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I had no idea it was going to be a movie! The trailer looks great!

Yeah I only saw the trailer for the Battle Angel Alita movie myself a few weeks ago. I knew they've been trying to make it for many years (IIRC they had wanted to do it well before Avatar) so it was good to see it finally happening. Probably unconsciously influenced my suggestion for the "android skin" spandex idea. ;)

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Oh, good, we're past the

Oh, good, we're past the Black Panther spoiler thread, and Lothic has made it very relevant to my main character's interests.

CO teased a segmented/paneled skin for a "cyberpunk" costume set that sounds a lot like what you're talking about. They shipped the set without the skin, though, and never got back to it. Bummer, because it would have been perfect for Sister Silicon. (A little bit Handsome Jack around the face, as I recall, but I could have lived with it.) She didn't want her "civilian" frame to look industrial, but she wasn't much interested in passing, either. Sometimes, you want to build a toon who lives in the Uncanny Valley.

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I know people will say "oh

I know people will say "oh please, stop it" :) but, could anyone use the

[img=widthxheight] path of the picture [/img]

code please ? :) (keep in mind that you just have to enter the width and put a false height. it will be recalculate automatically)
All those picture are really interesting but, having a giant picture on the screen and be obliged to scroll during half an hour to see the next message is boring ^^ (no, i don't lie, i swear ! half an hour, uhuh !)

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Nos482 wrote:
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"Look Out... it's Glowing Boob-Man!"
Seriously, who thought this was a good idea?

It's an interesting design choice, for sure. I can see some good in it:

I'm not really familiar with the original content, so I've no idea when/why his chest lights up?

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I know people will say "oh please, stop it" :) but, could anyone use the

[img=widthxheight] path of the picture [/img]

code please ? :) (keep in mind that you just have to enter the width and put a false height. it will be recalculate automatically)
All those picture are really interesting but, having a giant picture on the screen and be obliged to scroll during half an hour to see the next message is boring ^^ (no, i don't lie, i swear ! half an hour, uhuh !)

Oh, sorry, TC. I didn't see this while doing my second post. For what it's worth, it looks perfect on mobile which is where I do 65% of my browsing.

If you noticed this problem a lot, though, it might need to be a suggestion to the forum handlers themselves, and perhaps they can put a cap on the allowed size of embedded images? And force looking at full size to going off-site or something.

Instead of trying to get people to do it individually with every single post, having it built in on the forums might be a better solution? Just a thought!

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MeSoSollyWan wrote:
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TitansCity wrote:

I know people will say "oh please, stop it" :) but, could anyone use the

[img=widthxheight] path of the picture [/img]

code please ? :) (keep in mind that you just have to enter the width and put a false height. it will be recalculate automatically)
All those picture are really interesting but, having a giant picture on the screen and be obliged to scroll during half an hour to see the next message is boring ^^ (no, i don't lie, i swear ! half an hour, uhuh !)

Oh, sorry, TC. I didn't see this while doing my second post. For what it's worth, it looks perfect on mobile which is where I do 65% of my browsing.

If you noticed this problem a lot, though, it might need to be a suggestion to the forum handlers themselves, and perhaps they can put a cap on the allowed size of embedded images? And force looking at full size to going off-site or something.

Instead of trying to get people to do it individually with every single post, having it built in on the forums might be a better solution? Just a thought!

I've been using the "Width x Height" variables for a long time but yeah maybe the webpage could define an automatic "max size" cap just to make it something people won't have to worry about doing themselves.

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I host my images on Photobucket, which means I get thumbnails automatically, just by clicking on the right code.

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On that android movie...are

On that android movie...are they trying to have her be smack-dab in the middle of the Uncanny valley? Because that's where she landed.

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desviper wrote:
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On that android movie...are they trying to have her be smack-dab in the middle of the Uncanny valley? Because that's where she landed.

All it took was some oversized eyes. Yeah, you're not the only one who has that reaction.


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