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I don't know. A lot of the male characters we've seen already look like they're very much in the vain of Liefeld :p

Does he have some elephantiasis of the chest?!

It almost looks like the Captain here was split open on his left side and then had his chest opened outward towards the viewer autopsy style. Sadly I've always considered myself to have absolutely no talent for drawing but even I think I could have drawn this pic to look more "anatomically realistic" than this. :)

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He's over-compensating for

He's over-compensating for his small... shield.

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I mean a stick figure is

I mean a stick figure is closer than that :p

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"Do you want the medal or the

"Do you want the medal or the chest to pin it on?"

Incidentally, how many male bodies are inside that costume, because I count at least 3 of them ... and not all of them are still alive ... o.O;


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I was never one to actually

I was never one to actually hate on an artist for their style. It's to subjective. Liefeld in particular could do some good pieces one page and crap the next. He was never one of my favorite and I never got upset if his drawings fit real life anatomy.

Picasso had a period that didn't either, yet I never really hear "He sucks. So unrealistic."

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Brand X wrote:
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I was never one to actually hate on an artist for their style. It's to subjective. Liefeld in particular could do some good pieces one page and crap the next. He was never one of my favorite and I never got upset if his drawings fit real life anatomy.
Picasso had a period that didn't either, yet I never really hear "He sucks. So unrealistic."

To be fair I don't think I categorically hate everything this guy has done. It's just that there are examples I think where I could've done better and that's sad for me to be able to say that. ;)

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Whilce Portacio was a fave of

Whilce Portacio was a fave of mine, I wouldn't have said he was anatomically correct in his art, but people liked his art :)

In fact, I'd say those who were 100% trying to be realistic in their comic art where THE WORST comic book artists and they would ruin every book they were on. :p

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I always disliked Rob Liefeld

I always disliked Rob Liefeld's art. I don't think there's a single design of his I like. The problem with him is that his style caught on and bled to works he wasn't even a part of.

Oh the 90s...

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Tony Daniel (<---my fave!).

Tony Daniel (<---my fave!). Michael Turner. Mark Silvestri. Jim Lee. J Scott Cambell.

The 90's had some great artists! I look at the comic artists of today, and I feel like they're not even trying anymore!

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That green lantern bubble

That green lantern bubble thread got me thinking about auras.
Asymmetrical auras. One hand, one foot, one eye, left side, right side, all that fun stuff.

Why only half an aura? Maybe your person is half ice and half fire?

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Project_Hero wrote:
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That green lantern bubble thread got me thinking about auras.
Asymmetrical auras. One hand, one foot, one eye, left side, right side, all that fun stuff.
Why only half an aura? Maybe your person is half ice and half fire?

I support this!

But honestly I hope auras are added piecemeal: add an eye aura, then body, then maybe a combat-only hand aura :)

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That green lantern bubble thread got me thinking about auras.
Asymmetrical auras. One hand, one foot, one eye, left side, right side, all that fun stuff.
Why only half an aura? Maybe your person is half ice and half fire?
I support this!
But honestly I hope auras are added piecemeal: add an eye aura, then body, then maybe a combat-only hand aura :)

Definitely. There is so much fertile territory here.

...and so many options for cash shop items that it could end up being a near-certain revenue stream for MWM such that they will continue to churn out more and more costume items and enhancements as the days, weeks, and years go by.

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What ever super game needs is

What ever super game needs is: A variety of DnD adventuring gear for costumes!

There are way too many things here to list,
But a mix and match grab bag of costume pieces and accessories are needed so every adventurer can look unique.
and for the gals leather metal bustiers are a must. Chain mail bikinis are simply way to standard.

for armor: studded leather makes a great texture we can add to vests and even robe like garments.

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Maybe gaining aura slots over

Maybe gaining aura slots over the course of the game would be good. Or having them be optional things you can buy.

You start with one slot for whatever aura, end up with three or what have you. Then you could have a layered aura. Maybe with different settings for them, so you could look like your aura alternates, or switches when in combat, or is just layered all the time.

Use a fire aura and electrical to look like you're super Saiyan 2!

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Badly made or thrown together

Badly made or thrown together costume pieces. So if you wanted to you could look like Princess Powerful!

Or the bombastic bag man

Edit: or costumes that look like they were bought at a costume store

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Button eyes. Zipper mouth.

Button eyes. Zipper mouth. Clockwork key for your back (turning and non). Zipper for your back (in huge and normal sizes). Felt textured skin. Puppet strings (possibly with one of those puppet manipulator things above your character).

Then if you could customize minions when the mastermind class comes out (forgot what it's called) you could have a bunch of dolls and toys as minions!

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CTRL-F, "cassock", zero

Front page, CTRL-F, "cassock", zero results. Kinda surprised!

I'd love to see a "shoulder cloak", a bishop's cassock, as a costume option. They come in various lengths and can be open in the front or completely wrap-around.

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I didn't expect that last

I didn't expect that last picture!

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I didn't expect that last picture!

I actually spit my coffee when I read that! Well done, P_H, well done.

...and I was already primed for a laugh when I read "open in the front" in Baalumbral's post..

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*bows*

*bows*

Though hopefully your coffee didn't get spit on anything expensive.

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I didn't expect that last picture!

nudge nudge wink wink... say no-more! ;)

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Front page, CTRL-F, "cassock", zero results. Kinda surprised!
I'd love to see a "shoulder cloak", a bishop's cassock, as a costume option. They come in various lengths and can be open in the front or completely wrap-around.

I'm sure there are still plenty of things no one's suggested yet. As a lover of any/all costumes I think pretty much anything like this should at least "be suggested" and put on the list.

But I think it's also probably worth mentioning that a few years ago there was a thread on this forum started by the Devs where they wanted to get some suggestions about different categories of costumes for the game's organizational purposes. When the subject came up about how to handle/classify various "overtly religious" items it quickly became obvious (as sadly expected) that the topic of religion was a hot-button issue.

Long story short the Devs at the time decided they were likely going to steer clear of most costume items that were directly related to specific religious denomination/faiths. I don't know if this means they would automatically discount the suggestion of something like a bishop's cassock but it's quite likely such a thing might not make it too high on their list of priorities. Just letting you (and anyone else who's unaware of this) know for future reference.

Perhaps if you "sold" it more like a "short wrap-around cloak" and/or basically used "non-religious" references it might be more likely to appear in game.

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And now for something

And now for something completely different.

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yeah, I was always fond of

yeah, I was always fond of the Cassock look.

Coupled with a shoulder cape, or with a Fascia tied around the waist like in the picture, or both, I could envisage a great many creative ideas. Heck, we even had something similar given to us by Cyclops as a creative challenge:

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Again I'm not saying

Again I'm not saying "religiously inspired" clothing is bad for this game. I'm just saying any suggestions for it will likely need to be "secularized" in order for it to have a decent chance of making it in.

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I keep almost reading Cassock

I keep almost reading Cassock as Cossack which is an entirely different thing.

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I keep almost reading Cassock as Cossack which is an entirely different thing.

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video

this is a good thread today.

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A superhero wearing a cassock

A superhero wearing a cassock, you say?

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A man walks into a bar with a

A man walks into a bar with a pickaxe the barman looks at him and says "Hey, no miners."

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A superhero wearing a cassock, you say?

It's almost like it's a religious analogy!

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A superhero wearing a cassock, you say?

It's almost like it's a religious analogy!

This is how you do it in a "secular" way... in this example you tell the Devs you want the outfits from the Matrix instead of outfits Roman Catholics wear. ;)

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So I see they're getting

So I see they're getting ready to release a new run of Barbarella comic books. I fell in love with the campy 1968 movie with Jane Fonda but the character has been a staple of French comics for decades. Of course they couldn't help themselves and are producing a bunch of "cover variants" for the first issue of this new series:

I mostly mentioned this because I like the general outfit she's wearing here and I'd like to see these costume options in CoT.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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A man walks into a bar with a pickaxe the barman looks at him and says "Hey, no miners."

Have you watched War Planets?

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A man walks into a bar with a pickaxe the barman looks at him and says "Hey, no miners."
Have you watched War Planets?

I don't think so. I just know bad comedy.

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Bubble gum aura. Every so

Bubble gum aura. Every so often you blow a bubble from your mouth then it pops.

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Bubble gum aura. Every so often you blow a bubble from your mouth then it pops.

That sounds like it would be better put in as an idle stance emote rather than an aura.

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Bubble gum aura. Every so often you blow a bubble from your mouth then it pops.
That sounds like it would be better put in as an idle stance emote rather than an aura.

But then you can't do it while sitting or any other emote.

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In the same vein as the

In the same vein as the bubble gum aura. A small flame to periodically come from a character's mouth, sparks, frosty breath, smoke, uh... A venom-esque tongue?

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Project_Hero wrote:
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In the same vein as the bubble gum aura. A small flame to periodically come from a character's mouth, sparks, frosty breath, smoke, uh... A venom-esque tongue?

or the fiery eyes giving off flame and smoke from the corners...

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NO BOOB SOCKS!

NO BOOB SOCKS!

Or at the very least have clothing options with and without.

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NO BOOB SOCKS!
Or at the very least have clothing options with and without.

But how would people make their Spider-Woman homages without?

IMHO sprayed-on costumes should be available for both males and females, along with more modest and practical options, of course.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

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Nice work, Lothic!

Nice work, Lothic!

The devs might need therapy after looking at the list, though...

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NO BOOB SOCKS!
Or at the very least have clothing options with and without.
But how would people make their Spider-Woman homages without?
IMHO sprayed-on costumes should be available for both males and females, along with more modest and practical options, of course.

Dong sock... That'd look really unappealing.

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Boob Socks are classing hero

Boob Socks are classing hero outfits. learn to live with them, they are already in the game.
save this game from SJWs.

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I never thought of them as

I never thought of them as boob socks. That just sounds really really REALLY stupid. Who even coined such a dumb term? They're comic book tights. How hard is that to even understand? o.O

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NO BOOB SOCKS!
Or at the very least have clothing options with and without.
But how would people make their Spider-Woman homages without?
IMHO sprayed-on costumes should be available for both males and females, along with more modest and practical options, of course.
Dong sock... That'd look really unappealing.

In one respect we've already lived (for better or worse) through the age of "dong socks" with codpieces:

But as far as "boob socks" go we know that the whole idea is mostly a comic book fantasy. Just compare this "artistic" version of a spandex comic book outfit to what they look like on real women in real life (note the real life model's lack of obvious cleavage):

Now to be clear I'm not "anti boob sock" for CoT. I just think there could be a reasonable compromise between the "overt bodypaint" version shown by Catwoman above and having no boob sockness at all. The following pics show some "moderate boob sockiness" that should be fine for CoT:

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Nice work, Lothic!
The devs might need therapy after looking at the list, though...

Thanks. And I'd rather the Devs need therapy AFTER they read the list than not have ready access to all the information in the first place. ;)

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Boob Socks are classing hero outfits. learn to live with them, they are already in the game.
save this game from SJWs.

Save this game from SJWs? First off, it's a realism thing. Second off... You know that Heroes tend to be warriors for justice, right? All kinds of justice? Not just the kind you punch on the head. Working towards a better tomorrow and all that?

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Boob Socks are classing hero outfits. learn to live with them, they are already in the game.
save this game from SJWs.
Save this game from SJWs? First off, it's a realism thing. Second off... You know that Heroes tend to be warriors for justice, right? All kinds of justice? Not just the kind you punch on the head. Working towards a better tomorrow and all that?

Yes, but they don't tend to be ones who bring justice to realism :p

Sometimes I wonder if a majority here even read a comic in their life :p

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Wonder Woman would probably

Wonder Woman would probably want a more accurate portrayal of women in comics. Don't know where she'd find the time between fighting all the gods and monster's though.

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aight, im still lost on

aight, im still lost on exactly what a boob sock is. Anyone have an sfw example?

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aight, im still lost on exactly what a boob sock is. Anyone have an sfw example?

Ok you know that terrible armor they have women wear in games? The breast plate with the actual breasts made out of metal? Imagine that but cloth or any other fabric. That is a boob sock.

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aight, im still lost on exactly what a boob sock is. Anyone have an sfw example?

Here are some hyper-extreme examples of it with Spider-Woman. Simply imagine the "typical" superheorine outfit that would actually only be able to look the way it does if the superheroine in question was effectively wearing body-paint, not spandex:

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AVG is flagging malware on an

AVG is flagging malware on an image from cosercosplay.com, so please remove it. Thank you.

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AVG is flagging malware on an image from cosercosplay.com, so please remove it. Thank you.

It's just a .jpg but I'll remove it if you actually think it's a problem. *shrugs*

P.S. I DL'd it and scanned it myself with no problem. AVG tends to "false positive" on almost everything but I'll find a replacement regardless.

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Boob Socks are classing hero outfits. learn to live with them, they are already in the game.
save this game from SJWs.
Save this game from SJWs? First off, it's a realism thing. Second off... You know that Heroes tend to be warriors for justice, right? All kinds of justice? Not just the kind you punch on the head. Working towards a better tomorrow and all that?

SJWs are a cancer on society. They ruined Marvel comics. I despise them.

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How exactly did SJWs ruin a

How exactly did SJWs ruin a comics company in which one of their most notable comics is entirely based upon civil rights and social justice?

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How exactly did SJWs ruin a comics company in which one of their most notable comics is entirely based upon civil rights and social justice?

I don't think "problem" is with the "mission statements" of any single character. I think the "problem" Cyclops is against is the general accusations of sexism/misogyny leveled against the comic book industry for drawing superheroines with unrealistic body proportions and that sort of thing. To take it to the extreme I'm pretty sure Cyclops doesn't want this to become the game of flat-chested, burka-wearing superheroes.

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How exactly did SJWs ruin a comics company in which one of their most notable comics is entirely based upon civil rights and social justice?

Well, let's see. Jane became Thor. The sales started out strong, but then went down. They thought "High sales to start means it's a good idea!" instead of "High sales at the start means people think it's an investment!"

Miles Morales keeps getting comics, though his sales continue to suck. Peter Parker is Spider-Man, just how it is.

Spider-Gwen was a good idea, then they ruined it. First it was a "What if Gwen got bit instead" then it became a "Well, what if everything else was different too!" Which started making it lame. That could just be me though :p I don't recall her sales, but I don't think they were terrible, though still not as good as Peter's generally.

Killed Bruce Banner. Took the awesome X-23 and decided she should be Wolverine instead.

Basically they took an already very diverse cast of characters and said "Well, we can't get these diverse characters selling comics, so we'll change the ones that are selling, into diverse characters, so people will buy the comic for the name and not the character."

Silk got cancelled, which was a classmate of Peter's who got bit by the same spider, but got more powerful (which is what they like to do for every new Spider hero...MORE POWERFUL THAN PETER! :p).

Spider-Woman, they cancelled!

They keep talking about "We've so diverse now!" And they got rid of the asian superhero (Silk) and the one that just got done being pregnant and was now a mother (Spider-Woman).

*sighs* Silk needed improvement and I really miss my Spider-Woman (even with her new lousy costume). :(

How did they ruin their team that was all about civil rights and social justice though? OMG! They ruined that one by going "We don't have the movie rights to X-Men, so they're going to go to crap now, while we try to promote our Inhumans! They'll be our new X-Men!"

That however failed miserably, because people want their X-Men, no one cares about the Inhumans :p

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How exactly did SJWs ruin a comics company in which one of their most notable comics is entirely based upon civil rights and social justice?
Well, let's see. Jane became Thor. The sales started out strong, but then went down. They thought "High sales to start means it's a good idea!" instead of "High sales at the start means people think it's an investment!"
Miles Morales keeps getting comics, though his sales continue to suck. Peter Parker is Spider-Man, just how it is.
Spider-Gwen was a good idea, then they ruined it. First it was a "What if Gwen got bit instead" then it became a "Well, what if everything else was different too!" Which started making it lame. That could just be me though :p I don't recall her sales, but I don't think they were terrible, though still not as good as Peter's generally.
Killed Bruce Banner. Took the awesome X-23 and decided she should be Wolverine instead.
Basically they took an already very diverse cast of characters and said "Well, we can't get these diverse characters selling comics, so we'll change the ones that are selling, into diverse characters, so people will buy the comic for the name and not the character."
Silk got cancelled, which was a classmate of Peter's who got bit by the same spider, but got more powerful (which is what they like to do for every new Spider hero...MORE POWERFUL THAN PETER! :p).
Spider-Woman, they cancelled!
They keep talking about "We've so diverse now!" And they got rid of the asian superhero (Silk) and the one that just got done being pregnant and was now a mother (Spider-Woman).
*sighs* Silk needed improvement and I really miss my Spider-Woman (even with her new lousy costume). :(
How did they ruin their team that was all about civil rights and social justice though? OMG! They ruined that one by going "We don't have the movie rights to X-Men, so they're going to go to crap now, while we try to promote our Inhumans! They'll be our new X-Men!"
That however failed miserably, because people want their X-Men, no one cares about the Inhumans :p

This is a great summary of all the recent Marvel shenanigans. Still I think Cyclops was mostly worried about someone complaining (from some kind of hyper-feminist, anti-sexism SJW point of view) to the Devs of CoT so that they'd remove any trace of typical comic book style body-painted "boob-sockage" from the game.

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So they changed Thor, a white

So they changed Thor, a white man, to a woman.

They changed out Peter Parker, a white man, for Miles Morales (a character I really liked and enjoyed what I read in Ultimate Spiderman)

They had a good run with a new character.

Killed Bruce Banner, a white man.

Changed Wolverine, a white man, to a woman.

Cancelled a comic (probably due to poor sales)

Cancelled another comic (likewise)

So... White man, white man, white man, white man... So diverse!

Also I really don't see what chasing sales trends have to do with SJWs. They do that with event comics. Starts off strong but then everyone gets sick of it.

And they didn't want to promote a competitors product.

Damn you SJWs! Damn you and your business sense!

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So they changed Thor, a white man, to a woman.
They changed out Peter Parker, a white man, for Miles Morales (a character I really liked and enjoyed what I read in Ultimate Spiderman)
They had a good run with a new character.
Killed Bruce Banner, a white man.
Changed Wolverine, a white man, to a woman.
Cancelled a comic (probably due to poor sales)
Cancelled another comic (likewise)
So... White man, white man, white man, white man... So diverse!
Also I really don't see what chasing sales trends have to do with SJWs. They do that with event comics. Starts off strong but then everyone gets sick of it.
And they didn't want to promote a competitors product.
Damn you SJWs! Damn you and your business sense!

Oh well... I tried to keep the subject focused on something light and fluffy like how superheroine "fun-bags" will look in CoT but I guess I failed miserably. Carry on with your politicization of comic books in general. ;)

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Less politicized more just a

Less politicized more just a continuation of what's always been happening which is now being blamed on something new. Other than soulless corporate shills wherein the blame actually lies.

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So they changed Thor, a white man, to a woman.
They changed out Peter Parker, a white man, for Miles Morales (a character I really liked and enjoyed what I read in Ultimate Spiderman)
They had a good run with a new character.
Killed Bruce Banner, a white man.
Changed Wolverine, a white man, to a woman.
Cancelled a comic (probably due to poor sales)
Cancelled another comic (likewise)
So... White man, white man, white man, white man... So diverse!
Also I really don't see what chasing sales trends have to do with SJWs. They do that with event comics. Starts off strong but then everyone gets sick of it.
And they didn't want to promote a competitors product.
Damn you SJWs! Damn you and your business sense!

Black Panther, War Machine, Storm, Maggot, Luke Cage, Psylock, Jubilee, Bishop, Night Thrasher, Blade, Karma, Rictor, Moonstar, Sunspot, Warpath, Thunderbird...

That's just a few, as I don't feel like listing so many more, because, I really don't think you have the reading comprehension to read a bigger list. Now go back, read what I wrote. :p They had a diverse cast of characters.

You, in your lack of reading skills or ignorance, see "Oh! White male character was mentioned!" Peter Parker the white male is Spider-Man. His sales still kick ass. Miles Morales was their way of going "Let's take the name Spider-Man, because people like Spider-Man, and give it to a different character who isn't a white male!"

Guess what? The sales tanked :p He had good initial sales because "OH! #1!" Then they fell.

Miles Morales is such a good character, why did he need the Spider-Man moniker? Why not call him Spider-Guy? You know, give him a whole new super hero name, and then go out and see how well his comic does? :p

Also, yeah...like comics were lacking white women :p Oh! The diversity!

Now...read this line again (or did you get lost again?)...Marvel already had a diverse line of characters. Quick google search will show you that. It was never about diversity. It was about how their diverse characters couldn't sell a book, so they said "Maybe we just need to steal the name of other heroes, and give them to these non white male characters."

It failed. Why? Because Batman is Bruce Wayne.

Want to know how to make it work, without people going "Hey! You're ruining things!"? Spider-Man 2099! No one ever complained "He's not Peter Parker!" and guess what...DIVERSE! He's half Mexican :p

Thor isn't Thor. Sales tanked.

And yes, my Silk and Spider-Woman obviously had poor sales. While I may have liked my Spider-Woman comic, did it ever dawn on you, that maybe it was the pregnancy or costume change that kept the sales low?

Those who complain about a lack of diversity in comics don't read comics or they'd know they're diverse. The problem was never diversity. The problem was, those diverse characters never sold well in the solo titles, like the ones they're name stealing. It's not like white male was some sort of success record for comics either. Gambit and Grifter never sold well :p

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Meanwhile, in 3-dimensional

Meanwhile, in 3-dimensional space, there might be other forces at work than just diversity.

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Sometimes I wonder if a majority here even read a comic in their life :p

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Those who complain about a lack of diversity in comics don't read comics or they'd know they're diverse.

I'll be completely honest here... I've probably read perhaps 1,000 individual comic books in my life but most of those were like 25+ years ago. I did get and read The Walking Dead (in their huge compendium books) mostly just because I was a fan of the TV show a few years back and was curious about the "source material" it was based on. But beyond that I effectively don't read comics anymore.

I guess I can say I still like the "idea" of comic books and the genre in general. But because of much of the "silliness" you guys have been describing in these last few posts I don't really bother with them today. I'll be happy to play CoT once it arrives and I'll worry about how it handles all the random SJW issues at that point. But as to actual comics I almost couldn't care less. *shrugs*

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Spiderman was still Peter

Spiderman was still Peter Parker in the main universe. Changing Peter Parker to Miles Morales in the Ultimate line of comics, you know that comic line that was started so they could start anew and maybe try new things, has absolutely no hearing on anything here. He replaced a dead Peter Parker in an entirely seperate universe. But hey. Here's a question why does Peter Parker need to be white? Does it have any baring on his character? No, not really. So why does he have to be a white guy? Out of all the reboots, comics, television shows, movies, why does he always have to be a white guy?

Why should a company use name recognition instead of creating an entirely new IP? Are you seriously asking that? It's because of name recognition. It's a pretty easy idea to use another character to test the waters with a new one. If it doesn't work out, no one looses anything. If it does work out, hey cool. Or if people like the character they can move them to a new IP. In short it's -Safer- from a business sense.

Batman was also Dick Grayson once and I really liked that change and wished it stuck because with Damien it flipped the characterization of Batman and Robin. Honestly Bruce Wayne is boring.

Oh yeah, Spiderman 2099 is that even still a thing? Did they bring it back? It didn't work out so well for the Batman Beyond comic. But hey, somethings work and others don't.

Also any and all of these changes will be changed back eventually because almost nothing changes for good in comics. So "oh no! They did this change people didn't like and changed back some time later!" Such a travesty.

I read comics (though I haven't much in recent years), consume comic media. And it looks pretty monochrome. Sure there are some non-white male characters I never claimed otherwise but to call such a small amount diversity? I only brought up the diversity thing because you said that Marvel was already diverse after listing a bunch of white men who got changed. Implying that the white male characters -were- diverse.

Edit: I still am not seeing how a general downwards trend in comic book sales (which has been going on for like, ever) and comic writers/producers/editors/whoever trying something new (something they've been doing for ever) has anything to do with "SJWs".

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Also, Lothic I'm sorry for

Also, Lothic I'm sorry for aiding in the derailment of thread.

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Peter Parker being white does

Peter Parker being white does have a bearing on his character. Peter Parker has been white since he was first created and he wouldn't look like Peter Parker if he were black. Just like Ororo Monroe wouldn't look like Ororo Monroe if she were white and Luke Cage wouldn't look like Luke Cage.

Miles taking over as Spider-Man in the Ultimate line was fine because Ultimate Peter Parker was dead and deaths stick in the Ultimate Universe. The problem came when they moved him over to the main universe to replace that Peter who wasn't even dead at the time.

Legacy characters in general have a hard time sticking. Even Wally West got replaced with Barry Allen again eventually. That's why it's ultimately better to just make new characters rather than replace old ones.

Sorry, I should probably not be contributing to derailing the thread either, but I felt like I needed to say something too.

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Peter Parker being white does have a bearing on his character. Peter Parker has been white since he was first created and he wouldn't look like Peter Parker if he were black. Just like Ororo Monroe wouldn't look like Ororo Monroe if she were white and Luke Cage wouldn't look like Luke Cage.
Miles taking over as Spider-Man in the Ultimate line was fine because Ultimate Peter Parker was dead and deaths stick in the Ultimate Universe. The problem came when they moved him over to the main universe to replace that Peter who wasn't even dead at the time.
Legacy characters in general have a hard time sticking. Even Wally West got replaced with Barry Allen again eventually. That's why it's ultimately better to just make new characters rather than replace old ones.
Sorry, I should probably not be contributing to derailing the thread either, but I felt like I needed to say something too.

Spiderman would look exactly the same no matter what skin color was under the mask. Which is kind of the point of masked Superheroes, they can never truely die. Someone else can take up their cause.

I thought in the main universe both Peter and Miles were going to be around, Miles doing the local New York stuff and Peter palling around internationally with the Avengers. And unfortunately Peter did come back in the Ultimate universe, a bit before the universes merged or what have you.

Wally West was the flash almost as long as Barry till he was (stupidly) brought back.

And as for Legacy characters Robin is a prime example of one that switched identities and stuck. All the Green Lanterns are still around and each have done a stint as the Green Lantern of earth.

With Legacy characters a lot of times the moniker gets passed again or passed back, but the characters that carried it usually stick around in some form.

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ah shit, started the SJW-anti

ah shit, started the SJW-anti-SJW flame war by asking for clarification :p

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ah shit, started the SJW-anti-SJW flame war by asking for clarification :p

"We didn’t start the flame war,
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‘fore I left my comment."

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SJW Marvel have destroyed

SJW Marvel have destroyed sales and the SJW editor in Chief has just been fired. Stories have been more about politics and less about superheroes. Fights are settled in a single punch and its back to preaching politics to the customers.
---NO ONE BUYS COMICS FOR POLITICS.

SJW is sh-t. Thank God the madness has been kept out of the movies.

America (Chavez) is the most racist piece of SJW tripe I have ever seen...no story at all. oftentimes no action, just preaching SJW sh-t.

SJWs ruined a good company, killed or replaced established characters with diverse pretenders instead of introducing new quality characters. Squirrel Girl looks like a tard. Carol Danvers looks like a man. Everything the SJWs touch turns to sh-t.

I have NO respect for SJWs. Every last one of them is full of sh-t!

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Who can forget the great SJW

Who can forget the great SJW story of turning Captain America into a nazi, oh wait. That's not a thing they'd like.

Yeah, cause no one caused a stink when they cast a man of color to play Heimdall, oh wait.

Not really seeing how she looks like a man.

Also, you realize that when comics were at their most popular (or at least one of their popular periods) it was during world war 2 and prominently featured punching Nazis and other enemies of America/the Allies. No one buys comics for politics indeed.

I have no idea how it feels to have a magical boogeyman to blame all bad things on. Is it comforting? Is it terrifying?

Marvel's next editor in chief is apparently from Runaways fame. So get ready to hate this one too, Cy.


Man Runaways started out strong.

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Being able to get skin like

Being able to get skin like Karolina Dean would be pretty sweet. Hair too.

Also some out-of-this-world fashions for our alien Heroes. Like the dress in this pic.

Edit: Also I'm sure the sentiment she shares in the picture is shared by a lot of us right now on this thread.

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I second rainbow/chameleon

I second rainbow/chameleon hair and skin!

Whatever gets us back on track ;)

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Who can forget the great SJW story of turning Captain America into a nazi, oh wait. That's not a thing they'd like.
Yeah, cause no one caused a stink when they cast a man of color to play Heimdall, oh wait.
Not really seeing how she looks like a man.
Also, you realize that when comics were at their most popular (or at least one of their popular periods) it was during world war 2 and prominently featured punching Nazis and other enemies of America/the Allies. No one buys comics for politics indeed.
I have no idea how it feels to have a magical boogeyman to blame all bad things on. Is it comforting? Is it terrifying?
Marvel's next editor in chief is apparently from Runaways fame. So get ready to hate this one too, Cy.

Man Runaways started out strong.

Never heard any complaints about Hiemdall myself. Never heard complaints about Valkyrie either.

Read Ultimate Spider-Man (which I thought was the only good Ultimate title) until 5 issues after Peter died and Miles took over. Personally, I couldn't get into Miles as Spider-Man. So dropped the book. I did wonder why he had to take the Spider-Man name and not come up with his own. Just uncreative? :p Even now, I wonder why they couldn't make Miles the new Scarlet Spider, if they wanted to take an established name of a hero? There's a name of a hero people in general would go "Who?" and they could develop him to maybe make the Scarlet Spider way more popular!

I'm not sure "Oh look! Political commentary!" was really the number one reason they bought the comics. In fact, pretty sure Wonder Woman was more likely bought for the fan service. :p

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Why shouldn't a character use

Why shouldn't a character use the name of another character if they wanted to continue that character's legacy? They're showing the world Spiderman isn't gone. Peter May have died but Spiderman lives on. It's symbolic more than anything.

I can see them not wanting to associate with a character born from the clone saga (even though I myself enjoy Scarlet Spider, and they used that name in the main series too, I think.) If Miles became Spiderman while Peter was still around then he'd probably take a different name.

And partially he didn't really start calling himself Spiderman till their world had called him it. So even if Miles had a name in mind it probably wouldn't have stuck. And why keep the name of the comic? Because it's still a continuation of the Spiderman world. All of Peter's friends, family, all of the stuff that was put in motion when it was Parker is still there. It's not a new story it's a continuation of one.

And if you search "Black Heimdall" on Google you get a bunch of results talking about the "outrage" that sparked from that casting choice. And there's discussion about "Black Valkyrie" too. Same as a while back there was talk about casting a black man as James Bond and a bunch of people flipped their lids. Granted it's an outrage from a bunch of ignorant idiots, but still.

Edit: and no, political commentary isn't what they thought when they picked up a WW2 era comic they probably thought "Oh man, (insert hero) is fighting the Nazis! Awesome!" Same as people probably didn't think to much about the political commentary when Superman fought the Klan in a radio show, but it sure helped change some things.

Edit2: Why is it ok for Barry Allan to be "The Flash" and Wally West after him or Hal Jordan to be "Green Lantern" and John Stewart, Guy Gardner, and Kyle Raynor after him,or Jason Todd to become "Robin" and Tim Drake after him, but not for Miles Morales to become Spiderman or anyone these days taking on a pre-established name?

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I mean if you accept the axiom that Asgard isn't an aryan paradise :p That key characters would be racially diverse is to be expected.

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And if you search "Black Heimdall" on Google you get a bunch of results talking about the "outrage" that sparked from that casting choice. And there's discussion about "Black Valkyrie" too. Same as a while back there was talk about casting a black man as James Bond and a bunch of people flipped their lids. Granted it's an outrage from a bunch of ignorant idiots, but still.

This kind of shit happens all the time. A few years ago for Star Wars VII a bunch of people threw a fit about John Boyega playing a major role in the movie. And let's not forget all the frak (pun intended) they raised over Katee Sackhoff playing Starbuck in the reimagined Battlestar Galactica. People just don't like "change" no matter what that "change" represents.

Sadly this is probably at least part of the reason I don't regularly read comics anymore. It's not that I'm necessarily against change so much as all the angst being tossed around -because- of the changes. I might agree some of the changes are for the better but sometimes people are making changes just for the sake of changing something.

For instance the one that still personally bothers me was the recent "retcon" of making the character Hikaru Sulu from Star Trek a homosexual. Now I get that George Takei is homosexual IRL and I have no problem with that whatsoever. But there was absolutely no reason to "reimagine" Sulu as one, especially when (as a Star Trek nerd myself) I've counted at least SEVEN different instances in all the shows and movies that clearly shows "he liked girls". Even George himself thinks it was a mistake to suddenly decide to do that to the character after decades of just leaving it ambiguous. Let shows like Star Trek go off and create as many NEW homosexual characters as they want without "retro-tinkering" with things that weren't broken to begin with.

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Yeah, though the Sulu change

Yeah, though the Sulu change is more of a retcon than anything if they made Sulu homosexual in the new movies as a nod to George Takei I wouldn't have any problem with that.

Retcons can be way more invasive and insulting than changes because it's going back and trying to pretend it was always the case. Like changing, let's say, Wolverine into a black man in a new movie, comic universe, or cartoon wouldn't be as bad as if they retconned the marvel universe to say Logan was black all along.

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Yeah, though the Sulu change is more of a retcon than anything if they made Sulu homosexual in the new movies as a nod to George Takei I wouldn't have any problem with that.

How is something like that a "nod" to George when George himself said he DIDN'T LIKE the change? If anything it's disrespecting George's wishes via some kind of ham-fisted idiotic attempt to be "retroactively politically correct". There's no law that says a person who's homosexual IRL can only play homosexual characters or vice-versa. There's something fundamentally wrong about being so blind in your desire to be politically correct that you don't bother to respect the wishes of the guy who created the character in the first place.

Now if Gene Roddenberry was still alive today and suddenly decided to decree that Sulu was homosexual all along that'd be a different story because Gene created the entire franchise. But without any further "input" from Gene I'm willing to accept that George should have been taken as the "final authority" about his own character.

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Retcons can be way more invasive and insulting than changes because it's going back and trying to pretend it was always the case. Like changing, let's say, Wolverine into a black man in a new movie, comic universe, or cartoon wouldn't be as bad as if they retconned the marvel universe to say Logan was black all along.

The Sulu thing (as far as I can tell) was meant to be a retcon back to the beginning of Star Trek, not just the new movies. They are attempting to imply Sulu was homosexual all along just because the guy who played him was in IRL. That's fraking stupid and implies (once again) that homosexuals IRL can only play homosexual characters which is flat-out wrong.

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I think you misunderstood my

I think you misunderstood my post. I agreed that retroactively changing Sulu to be homosexual is bad. But I see nothing wrong with making a new version of that character who is. The new Star Trek movies were a fresh start so they could do pretty much whatever they want and it doesn't effect the old series. I don't know the sexuality of the guy who plays Sulu in the new movies so I don't know if it has anything to do with making only homosexuals irl play them in movies or TV.

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I think you misunderstood my post. I agreed that retroactively changing Sulu to be homosexual is bad. But I see nothing wrong with making a new version of that character who is. The new Star Trek movies were a fresh start so they could do pretty much whatever they want and it doesn't effect the old series.

I realize they've attempted to establish the "JJTrek" timeline as a completely new alternate reality where things can be completely different from the original timeline.

The problem with that is that how would Sulu "suddenly" become homosexual just because the Romulans arrived and killed Kirk's father in the first JJTrek movie? No, in this case they would have had to "retcon reengineer" the Sulu character all the way back to the beginning, not just at the point where the new movies start, in order to make him homosexual.

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I don't know the sexuality of the guy who plays Sulu in the new movies so I don't know if it has anything to do with making only homosexuals irl play them in movies or TV.

I also don't know the "real life sexuality" of John Cho (the new guy playing Sulu in the new movies) but that shouldn't matter regardless. Like I said there's no law that says anyone of sexuality X must play only those types of characters or vice-versa.

It was clearly stated by the makers of the new movies that they did it out of a desire to "acknowledge" George's being a homosexual all along IRL even though George has emphatically stated that he believes the Sulu character has always been a "straight man" and never had any desire to see Sulu be specifically reimagined as been homosexual.

Essentially this is a case of political correctness run amuck.

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I am moving this over from

I am moving this over from another thread, since I think this is where it is suppose to go. Although it looks like this thread has been hijacked.

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I know there has been a lot of talk about how extensive the character creator is going to be, but I was wondering how much flexibility there is going to be on the more subtle side of things. Things like teeth. Now I know certain beast heads will probably have different teeth the humans, but I was thinking more along the lines of putting different teeth in a human head. Some examples could be:

nasty rotten teeth
crooked hillbilly teeth
predator teeth (cat or wolf)
vampire
shark (my favorite)
I know most of the time you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference but during certain emotes or in cut scenes they would show up. For that matter you could apply this question to other subtle characteristics such as eye brows, freckles, scars, or even muscle definition. Now I assume there will be some flexibility for some of these, such as eye brows, but to what extent?

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I wouldn't really say amok.

I wouldn't really say amok. It's one thing in one movie/continuity.

And I have no idea on the how. Maybe the time travel parts caused waves of temporal instability changing things in relatively minor but noticable ways. It's Star Trek I'm sure they could techno-babble it away.

And I'm aware and agree that the sexuality or lack thereof of an actor should play no role in casting. Same as (for the most part) the ethnicity of an actor should play little to no role in casting choices with the express exception of historically accurate period pieces.

But when it comes to a new continuity or a new version of a character or story I'm all for changing it up in new and interesting ways.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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Yeah, though the Sulu change is more of a retcon than anything if they made Sulu homosexual in the new movies as a nod to George Takei I wouldn't have any problem with that.
Retcons can be way more invasive and insulting than changes because it's going back and trying to pretend it was always the case. Like changing, let's say, Wolverine into a black man in a new movie, comic universe, or cartoon wouldn't be as bad as if they retconned the marvel universe to say Logan was black all along.

They asked George first, and he said "No. Don't. That's not the character." to which they replied, to bad, we're doing it anyways, we just asked because we thought you'd say yes, so he's our nod to you.

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Yes, thank you, Brand X, for

Yes, thank you, Brand X, for regurgitating information that Lothic already supplied. I have no idea why you deemed it necessary to repeat.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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Yes, thank you, Brand X, for regurgitating information that Lothic already supplied. I have no idea why you deemed it necessary to repeat.

Actually, I thought I expanded on it, but thanks for being an ass :)

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Lothic had already supplied

Lothic had already supplied all of the information you did. That they asked George and that they did it regardless.

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