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I would have sworn we already captured something like "visible fangs" or "sharp teeth" in the summarized list but I couldn't find anything like that after a quick search. Congratulations on suggesting something that probably should have been such a fundamentally "basic" suggestion but apparently [b]no one else[/b] ever bothered to think about for [b]YEARS[/b] until now. ;)
P.S. Even if this does end up being a "duplicate suggestion" it's always good to get any input. The more people that want "duplicate" things the more demand the Devs will know there is for it.
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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Enhanced canines. Not full on fangs, but slightly noticeable canines would be nice to have :)
Sure... I figure this generic suggestion could cover at least several options for "razor teeth" and/or "fang length" all the way from barely noticeable to like full-on orc/werewolf fangs.
I'm still completely amazed no one (including yours truly) ever thought to suggest something like this after [b]YEARS[/b] of making suggestions on these threads. It's making me wonder what other stupidly simple ideas we've collectively forgotten about. lol
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Dr Who's Daleks were the most famous trashcans in the world!
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If we're likely to see teeth, I definitely want normal teeth, crooked teeth, vampire teeth, all spikey teeth (a la Venom)
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Well, it's likely due to the MMOs we've played. Teeth customization, I can't think of a single game I played with that. Those with fangs, tended to be "Pick a face...these ones have fangs."
The orcs from The Elder Scrolls Online have a tooth slider that lets you adjust their teeth from normal teeth to large tusks.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/BVpJM16.png[/img]
But that's one kind of race with one kind of teeth and the requisite underbite to accommodate them.
Allowing us to select a tooth style and then apply a slider to it would definitely take us a step further than I've ever seen.
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just be careful you don't bite your tongue!
I think a tooth angle would also be appropriate for snaggletooth options.
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Lucky star! Love that show, and that character.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
I totally forgot (or at least was unware) about the ESO Orc tooth slider option. TBH I'm not sure if I ever got around to playing an Orc in that game (they simply aren't my favorite) so I'm leaning hard on the "unware" excuse. The cool part is that if it's been done in that game then there's at least a example we can point to when "suggesting" this idea for CoT.
Yes ideally it would be great if CoT could get detailed enough to provide multiple tooth options and also provide a way to further adjust them with a slider. A lot of this might depend on how much control we're going to have over being able to customize our "mouth areas" in CoT. In CoH we basically were limited to picking from amongst a number of hardwired faces with no real control over customizing our mouth/teeth at all. Like Brand X said of most MMOs we essentially picked a face with preset "fangs" or not.
But if CoT is going to allow us to adjust "facial expressions" (like smiles or scowls) then being able to see (and then customize) our teeth might become more of a thing.
At the very least there should be options for "two upper fangs" (i.e. vampire), "two lower fangs" (i.e. orc), "all four fangs" and then maybe "one of each of the four corners" (so that you could do a single fang like your anime pic example). Of course with all these there'd be sliders for size adjustment.
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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I guess they could do a "missing a few teeth" version for nasty zombie people or even a "no teeth" version for the "weird old person no dentures" look. ;)
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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How about beaver style overbite teeth?
I would love to see MWM hire a whole art, model, and animation team just to make costume parts and power effects for years if the game does well. If I remember right that was a main source of income for CoH, having subscription and cash shop access to fancy cosmetics stuff like that.
Sure why not. :)
I'm sure MWM's goal is to have people who'll be 100% dedicated to just creating new character customization options (costume items, emotes, props, power animations, etc.).
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Wrestling games have a few different teeth options, giving characters pointy teeth, gold teeth (one or numerous), braces, grills, missing teeth, etc...
Problem with a lot of teeth options is you hardly ever/never see them.
Having expression emotes would help there, of course. Big toothy grins, baring teeth, etc.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
Hey now! There's nothing wrong with having fucked up teeth or no teeth, mister.
Go to the corner :p
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Never said there was anything wrong with those as options. I was just "evolving" your suggestion to the logical extremes. :)
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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Out of all the options suggested so far, I'm on board with almost all of them. Aside from the ones that open MWM up to copyright claims, the only other one I dislike is the male "package" slider. I can honestly guarantee that it would be used exactly once - maybe - in a manner that wasn't headdeskingly inappropriate. (Not to mention that adult film-style bulges really serve no purpose other than ERP and juvenile humour.)
I would like to add the following:
[list][*]Long hairstyles with shaved sides other than mohawks.
[*]Hindi-style sari & Chinese cheongsam.
[*][b]Wheelchairs, hoverchairs, etc. as normal-movement replacers; my former roommate (wheelchair-bound) specifically mentioned this back when we played CoH & CO together.[/b]
[*]Perhaps idle/movement styles as costume options, similar to DCUO & CO, but with fewer terrible animations?[/list]
Characters:
* Kestrel
* Zero Break
* All-Star
Well that's good to hear. Remember that any/everything that's ever been suggested on threads like these over the years represent the suggestions/ideas that "everyone" has collectively offered so it doesn't really matter if you -individually- like all of them or not. If it's on this thread then at least [b]one[/b] person would like to see it in the game and that should be good enough for anybody concerned.
Well sure... I would hope the Devs would be smart enough to filter those specific ideas out for their -own- sake.
That's fine. No one has specifically asked you to like/vote for it. *shrugs*
Frankly you have me intrigued about that "exactly one" use of this that you think would -not- headdeskingly inappropriate. Who would be the judge of that? You? :)
All joking aside just to allay your apparent strong feelings about this particular topic there have been various discussions on other threads (even quite recently) where the Devs have directly confirmed that they currently have absolutely NO intention to provide anything even remotely like a male "package" slider in CoT. Hooray for Ken Dolls!
Even with that knowledge that does NOT affect the intent of this thread which will continue to support a listing of ALL suggestions made by ALL players regardless. Things always change in terms of what Devs say will or won't be in a game like this and it would be a disservice on my part to start CENSORING ideas just because the Devs are currently planning to do this, that or the other thing. Again no one said you have to like anything/everything you see listed here.
We actually just talked about something like this a [url=https://cityoftitans.com/comment/146391#comment-146391]handful of posts[/url] earlier in this thread.
These ideas have been on the main costume list for a very long time.
Wheelchairs have also been on the main costume list for a very long time. The specific idea of "hoverchairs" have been mentioned on the other vehicle/prop oriented threads.
The generic "stance" idea has been on the main costume list for a very long time. It's slightly strange that you suggest DCUO/CO inspired ideas after clearly reminding everyone that MWM should -not- open themselves up to copyright claims but I suppose the general idea of "borrowing" ideas from other games would make some sense if done discreetly.
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THIS!
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So when simply copying exactly what Mask-of-Many said you spent a couple of extra seconds to delete the bits about "Long hairstyles with shaved sides other than mohawks" and "Hindi-style sari & Chinese cheongsam"? I can almost understand the blind reactionary disgust against package sliders but what could possibly be so wrong with wanting a style of hair or a few types of dresses that you had to [b]actively delete[/b] them from the quote? lol
People are funny...
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Well, _I_ do that so as to focus on the things I Like in a quote.
Be Well!
Fireheart
Various types of head scarves or head dresses? I'm not entirely sure what to call them... Hijabs? The things various Muslim women wear. But some of those would be nice. And turbans.
Also has various types of visors or eye wear devices been said?
[img]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonuniverse/images/3/32/Tagoma_headshot_RoF.png/revision/latest?cb=20180320105457[/img]
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
Oh sure, I also do stuff like that all the time as well to [b]highlight[/b] a point. In this case the "editing" involved was very uniquely specific and mysteriously unnecessary. It seemed desviper was making the overt point that EVERYTHING else was fine except a relatively inoffensive hair style and dress style. I was just being mildly curious what was so "wrong" with those unique items that he had to go out of his way to remove them from the response.
Not a big deal either way - just struck me as funny somehow. *shrugs*
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I think things like this have been mentioned before but it never hurts to throw them out just in case. Variations of X, Y or Z can always count as multiple options we might eventually get.
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Overly excessive straps and weapons attachments. I'm thinking of a guy carrying 4 guns, 2 swords, multiple grenades and daggers...all at the same time.
He always says the Miranda rights as he blows the bad guys away...and then instead of the afterlife, they wake up in jail because they live in a world rated for teens.
Think of it as a 50 caliber set of handcuffs 900 rounds a minute.
[img]https://s15.postimg.cc/z9bk1znkb/Black_Falcon_Sig_in_Progess.jpg[/img]
I just extra support wheelchairs for inclusivity and such. Not that complicated yo.
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Again I know it's "not that complicated" but if it was just about your support for the wheelchairs (which we already had on the main list BTW) why not edit everything else except that? Just seemed like you went out of your way to specifically show that you hated a random hairstyle and a couple of dresses. *shrugs*
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nah, just not especially in favor
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Hmmm, How about a "Virgin Killer sweater?" it would fit my Black Falcon...
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Normally I'm totally into all sorts of Japanese clothing styles and if you ignore the name the actual "style" involved here is not that bad.
Sadly this is one of those cases where the direct English translation of the original Japanese name leaves a lot to be desired. Clearly if this style were to be included in CoT I'd have absolutely no problem if the Devs came up with a generic name for these things. Something like "Sweater Dress" would be quite adequate and far more politically correct all things considered.
Here are some decent examples of this style that might be workable for CoT:
[img=750x750]https://2static2.fjcdn.com/comments/These+ones+_e4ea0384f8e5ff81c148faa20274efc8.png[/img]
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Well I'm straight enough to be into that :p
As long as dudes get a nipple window ;)
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Be careful what you wish for:
[img=400x400]https://memestatic.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/41/92/419217_6206941.jpg[/img]
To be perfectly honest the following pics are good examples of the "classic" version of this style:
[img=400x400]https://www.dhresource.com/0x0s/f2-albu-g5-M01-94-FB-rBVaI1kxdxWAYP7jAAH-Xfl0Rhw787.jpg/2017-new-sexy-japanese-anime-women-backless.jpg[/img][img=250x250]https://www.sharecg.com/images/medium/157204.jpg[/img]
But as you can see something like this easily pushes the limits of visible "side boob" and "butt crack".
I offered the other pic in my last post as a sort of "T for Teen" rated alternative.
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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I would think, if you can wear it in public, it's T for Teen :p
We've obviously seen less at the beach (for those of us who've been to a beach anyways).
How about comic-level decency...which isn't always high.
And yes, Loth, that's what I'm asking for ;)
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Comic level decency? Well in the New 52 Red Hood and the Outlaws they had Starfire in a bikini that was practically see through.
So, uh... Not much help there.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
As always there's always going to be a question as to what a game like this "could" get away with and what they "choose" to get away with.
As far as that "Starfire in a bikini" scenario goes I think the following pics show the "transparent" version they initially tried to sneak through (on the left) and apparently what finally ended up in the comic book (on the right):
[img=200x200]https://i0.wp.com/alt-world.com/altworld/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/starfire-original.jpg[/img][img=200x200]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/3/32/Starfire_008.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120330203449[/img]
So, yeah...
Anyway even though published comic books often have no problem with things like this:
[img=200x200]https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153050/3758490-2720298327-Power.jpg[/img][img=400x400]https://78.media.tumblr.com/f45a581987dc55c70b329417fce6cc39/tumblr_nkt2hweLDY1u9qotmo4_1280.jpg[/img]
I would bet a shiny nickle that the folks at MWM would have a problem with the [b]typical[/b] virgin killer sweater (and not just because of the name). There are plenty of google pics out there but I'm actually reluctant to link to many of them due to just how revealing they are. I would say some of them are practically more like borderline lingerie than clothes you'd wear in public.
I guess what I'm saying is that if the Devs of CoT actually decided to include a version of a "sweater dress" I'd think/assume it'd probably be something that has a few more square inches of coverage than the real life equivalents would. I'm just saying this based on the various "reactionary reactions" we've gotten from various Rednames here over the years...
I'll just toss this out here one more time as an alternative. I would actually like dresses like these for CoT regardless of what the Devs might think of the [i]actual[/i] virgin killer sweaters:
[img=400x400]https://2static2.fjcdn.com/comments/These+ones+_e4ea0384f8e5ff81c148faa20274efc8.png[/img]
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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I think with the Starfire bikini thing, some issues of the comic had the transparent one, but they fixed it for the trade AFAIK.
Sweater dresses would be nice, sweaters in general would be.
We should just get a cleavage window emblem/decal. Then people could use it for boobs and/or butts :p
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
Clothing windows are going to have hilarious potential in combination with body slider adjustment.
Actually if it isn't just chest/butt you could have other interesting options like horns, spikes, tails, fins, that would need an opening in clothing to work.
Yeah I honestly didn't know the exact details on this. I just assumed it was the classic case of censorship prior to release (i.e. Editor: "You can't do that! At least make the bikini -not- transparent.").
Or related to that maybe the Devs could provide a "covered" version for every case they create an item that has some kind of a cleavage window. This way players could [b]choose for themselves[/b] if they wanted their characters to have "open windows" or not.
Beyond that let's just say if we actually got a "real" virgin killer sweater in CoT we'd have the perfect clothing item to showcase our tramp stamps with. ;)
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For all its "questionable-ness" the one advantage a virgin killer sweater does offer is that it's perfectly designed for those characters who have wings or a tail.
[img=300x300]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/68/4d/c2/684dc299bf4bea285ebf53e723bbff15.jpg[/img]
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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If they allow a bikini in CoT, which they should as CoH allowed a bikini, then a virgin killer sweater/sweater dress should be just fine. It's not like they won't have it cover up the naughty bits :p
You'd think right?
But while we might get lucky to get something like these in CoT:
[img=300x300]http://cdn7.bigcommerce.com/s-4wjdge/images/stencil/original/products/165/535/Triangle_Push_Up_Bra_Top__35528.1429243953.jpg[/img][img=325x325]https://www.amiclubwear.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/w/swimsuit-twopiece-ami-dm001lime.jpg[/img]
I really think something like the following:
[img=300x300]https://www.sharecg.com/images/medium/157212.jpg[/img]
Might actually be deemed to be -too- revealing, especially considering that this kind of sweater is going to be strongly relying on cloth physics to make sure it doesn't "accidentally" slip off the front of the breasts or that it doesn't expose more "butt crack" than this. Ironically by comparison the bikinis are more "controllable" (because they are skin tight) and less likely to expose anything [b][i]beyond[/i][/b] what they are already exposing.
Basically if they give us anything like a "virgin killer sweater" it's likely going to have to be the tamest, most conservative version of one.
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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That sweat is still less revealing than the bikinis. As for clothes physics, they can always make the physics of that outfit reveal nothing.
Double-sided Sticky tape, or its virtual equivalent, might keep us all safe from revealing too much.
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Fireheart
I agree that the bikinis do reveal more total surface area of exposed skin. But we both know there's a few critical square inches that are [b][i]much more critical[/i][/b] than say an elbow or a shoulder blade. ;)
Oh I'm sure it's possible to implement "virtual double-sided sticky tape" to make sure that the random effects of the motion of the cloth physics doesn't totally expose a wearer of a sweater like this. I'm simply mindful that the extra time and effort to make this particular outfit "uniquely safe" might be enough for the Devs to give this one a pass.
Again once you factor in cloth physics you can see that the skin tight bikinis are (by comparison) far "safer" from the point of view of "accidental exposure". Frankly TBH I would be amazed to see virgin killer sweaters in CoT given how much "conservative flack" we've seen on this forum about other related issues. I'll add it to the List, I just don't hold out much hope for it.
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I wouldn't say it shows more different areas. CoH had a bikini top that was basically pasties with straps.
If it's anything, it's that the sweater dress there covers more but shows just enough to be more tantalizing. Maybe even because you feel that in real life such an outfit is more likely to slip.
I suppose to "play it safe" they could implement one of these sweaters without much/any cloth physics to make sure it can't "slip" at all. The downside of that would be that the thing would probably look more like an ugly garbage bag instead of a "tantalizingly realistic" looking clothing item.
To be clear I think you guys know me well enough to know that if this were my game to design as I willed that I would probably include costume items far more risqué than this sweater ever dreamt of being. I'm just being painfully sober about the prospects of what we're likely to actually get in this game and sadly I suspect this sweater would likely cross whatever "red line" the Devs are using to decide what they consider is "T for teen" rated.
For what it's worth I do hope I'm [b]wrong[/b] about this particular case. *shrugs*
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Horny, horny Teens.
Be Well!
Fireheart
This is one of those times where I wish this game was being developed in Europe instead of the US - sure there might be a bit less "blood and gore" violence but we'd get topless nudity without a second thought. ;)
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The butt crack thing for that sweater wouldn't be a problem. All characters presumably have some form of underwear on, so all you'd see from the back is underwear.
Actually depending on how the bra part of the underwear looks you might not even get much side boob from it either.
Essentially it'll only show off as much as various other bikini/underwear options would allow.
So this kind of sweater wouldn't really be all that risqué at all.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
Yeah I suppose if they forced a character to wear "modesty underwear" underneath this sweater then all the worries about "accidental exposure" would be solved. It would also effectively ruin the "point" of why (and how) anyone wears these sweaters to begin with.
It's interesting that you brought this up regardless because I'm still wondering under what circumstances the game is going to "force" us to wear automatic "modesty underwear" considering the complex nature of how clothes are going to be layerable. I mean it would make sense to force us to have "virtual fig leaves" when we otherwise try to run around completely nude but in the case of something like this virgin killer sweater would the game again automatically force us to wear underwear because of the "questionable coverage" nature of the sweater?
As I've said before it'll be fascinating to see how the Devs of CoT address this issue.
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Comicbook level decency in a comicbook-based game. Am I under thinking this :p That'd be a new one.
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Comicbook level decency would allow the outfit.
That's the actual problem with people against some outfits. They don't realize comics allow them to get away with lots. :p
Just look at the Starfire bikini. Shows less than that sweater dress with side boob. All comes back to expecting to see it with the bikini. The other outfit it becomes a matter of "Oh my. Will it or won't it." :p
I'd say the line is somewhere between bikini and tassles :p
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I'd assume the sweater would be a top layer of clothing. Maybe a middle layer of they let us wear jackets and coats over stuff like sweaters and shirts.
I'd probably be like, layer1: underwear/tights, layer 2: t-shirts/shirts/sweaters, layer 3: coats/jackets. Possibly also a layer 0 for tattoos and various other skin level costume options.
Just speculation on my part of course, we'll have to wait to see what the actual chargen is like. But I can't imagine a sweater option erasing everything under it.
Possibly you can get the same effect of there's some form of low riding underwear and some tights w/ skin option that leaves side boob.
Still would be a pretty nice sweaters style, even if it won't show as much due to underwear options, that I'd definitely consider for my heroes casual wear. Especially if they have wings, tail(s), or a back tattoo.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
There isn't much reason for modesty underwear when the devs have complete control over what characters can wear. In other games, what you wear is based on items you put on or take off. In CoX (and presumably CoT) you don't put on or take off items. You design your outfit from premade items that fit together in certain ways. The only reason for modesty underwear is to not have floppy dongs and other bits in full view. The only way this could happen with a CoX style costume system is if the developers specifically put floppy dongs in as a costume option. Because of the way the costume creation works there is no "empty space" needing to be filled. It is always filled. You just pick what goes there.
They could put in underwear as a costume piece, but it wouldn't be a safety net last resort in case someone ripped off their pants. It would just be one of many choices for the player to pick.
Unless they specifically made a "full nude human skin" costume option, but I don't think CoX had that (at least for the pants).
Well, if you go with no costume, what would your character look like? I seriously doubt they'll have essentially ken doll and barbie options so the character will be wearing -something-. You can't remove underwear in most games that have the ability to create a character.
So at the very nudist your character will be running around in either tighty-wighties, a thong, or bra and panties.
And I'd argue that the reason for modesty undergarments is because without them your character would be running about looking like a ken or barbie doll. Because quite simply the character models don't have anything to hide in actuality. Giving them undergarments gives the illusion that they do.
And in all games the devs have complete control over what your character wears. They make the entirety of the game. Barring mods, anyway.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
My point is that there was never a "no costume" option for CoX and the CoT costume builder looks very similar. You could never "take your clothes off" like you can in other games. You are always wearing something built in the costume creator using the parts available.
Why does it matter if things are removable or not? Either way the modesty undergarments serve the exact same purpose: no naked people.
In either case the most nude you can get is person with undergarments on. It doesn't matter if a character is built that way or had an article removed to make them that way.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
Then what's the difference between taking off all your items and using a costume that consists only of bare skin? To the ESRB board, nothing.
For most people the exact method for how you "dress" the character doesn't really matter, only the limits of the system do.
Sure. My point was that the devs would have to go out of their way to add a "totally naked" base layer costume option for this to matter at all. If they just don't add that (which I think is what CoX did, at least for pants) then you're always going to avoid the problem entirely. The devs would have to create more work for themselves in order for this to be a problem that comes up with any other costume pieces they add later. It doesn't matter how "revealing" the piece you add later is if there is nothing to reveal.
How about we don't turn this into one of those japanese mmo's that teens only play because they can make girls basically naked that look like anime porn. That would kill, for a lot of people, the environment they are wanting from this game. This wouldn't really feel like a superhero mmo if there were a bunch of naked people running around.
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Please. People played CoH for the same reason. Don't act like it's a japanese mmo only thing.
The only difference between character creation in CoH and a the asian MMOs, is the art style, which lots of (not saying all) asian MMOs just do better.
Sadly we (as mere players) don't really have much say in where the "line" is going to be drawn. At least in discussing it here some Redname might realize it's an issue some of us are interested in.
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As I recall CoX didn't intentionally make their character creator to arouse it's players with its boob sliders and bouncy physics. Skimpy isn't the same thing as nude.
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As I just pointed out you WON'T have to worry about CoT becoming one of those evil "japanese mmo's that teens only play" (nice politically incorrect stereotyping BTW) [b][i]precisely[/i][/b] because we Americans collectively have just the right kind of "immature cultural hang-ups" that would tend to prevent it. Enjoy.
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Well it was 2004 after all. Give some consideration to the fact that the software tech at the time would have made such things relatively impractical regardless of the desires of the Devs or the players playing it.
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Not sure what was political about my post. LOL "immature cultural hang-ups". You're a funny person. Can you tell me how allowing for nudity in a superhero mmo makes the game a more positive experience for it's players? There are plenty of sites you can go to if you want to see naked people...we don't need it in a game.
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It's simply a matter of consensus as to what would be appropriate for a game like this or not. Be happy that you seem to be on the majority side of this particular issue and quit being paranoid that a person like me has the power and/or influence to singlehandedly "ruin" your game for you.
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Meh, I'm not paranoid about it, but it is a strong preference. If it came down to it, I would just solo play and never go in the PC populated areas if I could avoid it. But I would prefer to not do that. I realize everyone's moral code is at a different level, and for a lot this isn't even a moral issue, or the thought of morality is a joke to them, but being married with kids I'd prefer that kind of stuff not come across the screen. But that's an unpopular opinion in today's world.
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Actually my whole point is that yours is -not- the unpopular opinion here. Majority rules as they say.
For the record I consider myself a "moral" person thank you very much. But as an adult who can also prevent any "random innocent kids" from being involved/aware of what I do online I simply have no reason to be as "picky" about these things as you appear to be. *shrugs*
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For the record I didn't say you weren't a "moral" person, I said everyone's moral code is at a different level. My point was that, for me, it's not just about keeping people from knowing what comes across the screen. It's as much for me as it is for them. But, like you said, it's a moot point.
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You guys have had a good back-n-forth on this issue.
The thing you have to keep in mind though is that CoH never really had to deal with either "multiple layers" of clothing or with cloth physics. Each of those things opens up (pun intended) new possibilities for there to be "accidental exposure" of naughty bits (whether they are Ken/Babrie bits or not).
I get that CoT will likely never allow for the scenario where you can "choose" to be fully nude. I get there will likely always be some combinations that would ensure that a character is always "wearing" at least something even if that something is fur, "metal robot skin" or some other material/texture that can't be mistaken for "plain human skin".
But I still contend that this virgin killer sweater is a good case example for asking how CoT will prevent accidental exposure in cases where specific articles of clothing might not actually fully prevent the possibility of accidental exposure. Sure if you wore a trenchcoat over a virgin killer sweater then the risk of exposure is probably nil but would the game be "smart" enough to recognize that combinations like that would change the equation between what would likely be acceptable and what might not be?
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Forgive me if this has been brought up...this is a long thread to read through, but I hope there will be, if they don't already have it slotted for launch, some Spartan style clothing, specifically the sandals. Not sure why I've also thought they looked cool. That and an option to have a tattered cloak; better yet, a slider for the 'tattered' part of it ranging from a few small holes/tears to like 50% destroyed.
That brings up a semi-related question: I expect not, but will the cape movement fx, like jumping or being blown in the wind, act different depending on the texture? That level of detail is probably too much, but like a thick cloth cape that is heavier would move different than a flimsy nylon one...but I seriously doubt the game would make a distinction that fine. Not important either...just a thought. Wouldn't bother me one way or the other.
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Consider these the Spartan clothes/sandals ideas "added" to the list. Just as FYI there has been talk about "damaged clothing" before with various ideas for how to do it. Maybe your slider idea would be doable.
And yes I realize that once again this latest Costume Thread has gotten huge again. That was the reason I attempted to summarize the first Costume Thread last year and the reason why I'll eventually try to roll everything that's been added since then into an updated list/thread.
It would seem like capes could be "weighted" based on the material they are supposed to constructed out of. I have no idea if CoT going to be that detailed but it doesn't seem like a complete impossibility.
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I'm curious as to what MMO you can think of that allowed nude characters, because I can only think of one (Scarlet Blade) and that was part of it's gimmick.
I can't think of another asian MMO that allows nude play.
As for intentionally dothing things to arouse. I'd say the Witch's outfit in CoH was specifically made for that. Not to forget, CoH had a boob slider too.
As for the bouncy physics. Yup. Just another thing people keep saying they want in a game...more more more...then they get it and one of those players has to go...well...it's only for pervs. When seriously, having played in MMOs with bouncy physics. I never noticed it. Seriously, how would the player really notice?
You play the game seeing the characters back side. You're fighting so not really noticing it. The only time to really take notice of it, is when someone is just standing in place and jumping and you're either watching it or turning your camera around to watch your character. :p
CoH had plenty of skimpy. They had a bikini bottom that was basically string with a patch of cloth. It didn't really tie into any costume and was in there to tantalize and make characters the like of Lady Death in something skimpy.
I'm pretty sure the Conan MMO was rated mature and could specifically have nipples etc.
Yeah, in the Conan MMO you could rock out with your cock out.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
Didn't the Conan Exiles game still do silly things like make the "full nudity" option only available on the PC version of the game? Somehow (IIRC) they decided to censor it (with modesty underwear) on the console versions. I'm sure it was the simple matter of "AO" versus "T for Teen" and how that would affect sales. Probably another reason I continue to hate consoles...
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That would just lend to Dark Cleric being wrong, as Conan (which Scarlet Blade I don't recall ever having actual full nudity, just very damn close Edit: nipples the rest was barbie doll) was a European MMO. :p
I know I used to see a bunch of adds for MMOs with dumb ass tag lines like "The game your girlfriend doesn't want you to play" and crap. All with scantily clad women on them. But they were likely just sub par MMOs that had nothing special to brag about trying to pure in gullible 12 year old boys to play their crappy game.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
I actually checked out SB. It didn't have customization like CoH and the story was suckie (which was, it played like it was an MMO and knew it was an MMO and the avatar would speak to you the player as it knew someone was controlling it, though the story was you controlling it from like a safe pod in their world and stuff...basically a terrible RP game), but the one thing I did think about the game, was how much it felt like CoH in terms of straight playing a game, when it came to attacking.
It actually had nice attacks and even a whip!
Metal looking eyes! :)
The reason I brought 'skimpy is not nudity' is because of Lothic's previous post saying "This is one of those times where I wish this game was being developed in Europe instead of the US - sure there might be a bit less "blood and gore" violence but we'd get topless nudity without a second thought. ;)"
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I was thinking more along the lines of your Japanese MMO comment :p
Meh. I wasn't wrong. The games were created to be sexually inviting to a young male audience. CoT is not being created for anything remotely close to that.
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Well to be perfectly honest I've always appreciated the European mindset when it comes the "ratios" of violence versus nudity they allow in their media in general, not just video games.
It's not so much that I actually want to see [b]constant nudity[/b] everywhere, all the time, in a game like CoT. I simply appreciate that, all things being equal, most Europeans would rather show the occasional breast on a TV commercial or the side of a city bus rather than the hyper blood and guts gore fests most violent Hollywood movies end up being. Basically Europe tends to regulate more against extreme violence than mild nudity.
Frankly I consider it far more socially acceptable and psychologically less damaging to let the average kid see a few "naughty bits" in public every once in a while than to have them be emotionally scarred by most of the violent movies and video games that exist today. How many "nude girls" have been the basis of the 20+ school shootings we've had in the US since the beginning of the year?
So yeah, again all things being equal, I'd still prefer a game like CoT to offer more nudity [b]as a reasonably controlled option[/b] before I'd want to see it get any more violent than it's likely going to be already.
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Well, the last one was done because a girl broke up with him. Sooo...at least 1.
Wouldn't that be more accurately classified as "no nude girls (anymore)"?
There was NO nudity in COH, and there will be NO nudity in COT. It is not an option we will have.
As said before: [u]clothing is not removable,[/u] so the artists don't need default underwear.
There is no jiggle on a plane,
there are no nip bumps on a train,
There is no male bulge you can gain,
You can't get naked in this game!
The Devs don't like it Sam I Am. And no one wants Green Eggs and Ham.
all that said...Flesh Forge did say there will be cleavage options available. We already know a Power Girl boob window will be there at launch. I can't imagine a little side boob would be any worse.
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