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I was just suggesting! Not directing!
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At any rate I want a guy

At any rate I want a guy totally decked out in explosives

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Collars! Spiked (like in CoH) and Dog Collar (like in CO)

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I want the ability to put

I want the ability to put things like bandoliers and harnesses over jackets including tuxedos

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I'm also in favor of separate

I'm also in favor of separate threads for costume pieces and animations, even emotes i might want in another thread.

My thinking is, in the shoes of a dev, "hmmm, what're some animations we haven't covered yet. Let's go check the animation thread". I wouldn't think they'd go in the costume thread hunting for animations.

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I'm also in favor of separate threads for costume pieces and animations, even emotes i might want in another thread.
My thinking is, in the shoes of a dev, "hmmm, what're some animations we haven't covered yet. Let's go check the animation thread". I wouldn't think they'd go in the costume thread hunting for animations.

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I tend to figure if the Japanese themselves don't mind spreading the "bad stereotypes" about Ninja then I'm not going to worry about doing it myself.

Ninja AKASAKA in Roppongi is a pretty good example of this. They literally dress up in all black and use stealth and hand signs to give an "Authentic Ninja Dining Experience" xD

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Of course I'm probably the only person who wants this, but fffft.

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Definitely not true, I would love to see outfits such as these be a possibility:

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Something else I was thinking

Something else I was thinking of, was instead of shoulder pets, maybe stuffed animals could be an option? Perhaps animated ones or not, like the ones seen below:

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Canes would be a good

Canes would be a good addition. Wizard Staff, Walking Stick, Pimp Cane, Blind Walking Cane, Forearm Crutch, Crutches, Hiking Stick, Elemental Canes (Frost, Fire, Vines, Ghostly, etc), and I'm sure there are many other variations that could be thought up

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There are times that I see

There are times that I see these Anime-styled clothes and wonder if they wouldn't look ridiculous on a non-waif.

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There are times that I see these Anime-styled clothes and wonder if they wouldn't look ridiculous on a non-waif.
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People can look ridiculous in anything, no matter what body size you are, just as well, anyone can make any look work, regardless of body size

*People can look ridiculous in anything* This is especially true in the hero universe. Where people running around in tights and their underwear on the outside is the norm....

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Perhaps oddly, I don't find

Perhaps oddly, I don't find the people in those pictures ridiculous.

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There are times that I see these Anime-styled clothes and wonder if they wouldn't look ridiculous on a non-waif.

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Perhaps oddly, I don't find the people in those pictures ridiculous.

Clearly most anime/manga characters tend to be "young-ish Japanese" people and that group of people, on average IRL, tend to be non-chubby/waifish sized. It's also true most of the people who like to cosplay anime/manga characters also tend to be of the young/non-chubby/waifish variety.

But I've seen plenty of "less than waifishly" sized people cosplaying in Harajuku not to mention the average convention cosplayer at US comicbook conventions. While not everyone's going to make for a perfectly convincing Sailor Moon (because they weigh more than say 90lbs) there are styles (such as Gothic Lolita which is highlighted by first pic Kiyori Anoyui provided) that allow the slightly more "large-sized" to effectively come up with very good cosplay outfits.

I suppose one could say average anime/manga has an "image bias" just like most western high fashion favors girls that are like 5'10" and weigh (again) like 90lbs. But there are some examples where other people can still pull off great cosplay looks even if they aren't classically waif-sized.

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Really impressive work ! That

Really impressive work ! That will well the dev, i think, to decide and/or follow what to do ^^

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The 5'10" 100 lb standard has

The 5'10" 100 lb standard has always bothered me, and it persists past the current zeitgeist. E.g., it's "thicc" season, yet fashion models are still translucent :p

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More body types are being

More body types are being better represented I think, I know Forever 21 has many plus size models. Companies like Victoria's Secret will most likely always live under the 5'10"(or taller) 100lb standard. But I think more and more it is changing.

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Fireheart wrote:
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Perhaps oddly, I don't find the people in those pictures ridiculous.

I think that was the point he or she was trying to make.


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The 5'10" 100 lb standard has always bothered me, and it persists past the current zeitgeist. E.g., it's "thicc" season, yet fashion models are still translucent :p

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More body types are being better represented I think, I know Forever 21 has many plus size models. Companies like Victoria's Secret will most likely always live under the 5'10"(or taller) 100lb standard. But I think more and more it is changing.

I'm actually hoping the character creator for CoT will let us create decent looking "normal/average" sized people. Sure I'll likely still want to create at least a few clichéd "Victoria's Secret" shaped superheroines like you always see in the comic books. But in addition to those I have a few ideas for some less than perfectly proportioned characters. There's no law that says only supermodels can have superpowers after all. ;)

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My idea for Trap Spider the

My idea for Trap Spider the spider shoulder pet who is the character riding a robot, is to make a very portly looking robot that would easily hold all the traps and gadgets the character uses.

So I'm really looking forward to seeing how portly the avatar creator will allow me to make it.


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Well apparently the whole

Well apparently the whole issue of gender politics has cropped up again in Hollywood (what a shock) and I decided to mention it here only because it squarely pertains to superhero movie costume design.

It seems people are making a fuss about comparing the outfits the Amazons are wearing in the recent Wonder Woman movie to the outfits they are wearing in the brand new Justice League movie. I realize the following pic could be considered a spoiler since the Justice League movie technically hasn't been released yet but it doesn't literally "spoil" anything so I'm attaching it here regardless:

Now the big controversy here is that the Amazon costumes on the left (from the Wonder Woman movie) were designed by a WOMAN and the ones on the right (for the Justice League movie) were designed by a MAN. People are jumping on the fact that the outfits on the left appear to be more "practical/functional" whereas the ones on the right appear a bit more like classic "fantasy armor" bikinis than actual outfits "real" Amazon warriors would wear.

I tend to think people are desperately trying to find some hairs to split here. I might agree that the new ones look a little more like "Princess Leia slave bikini" outfits than they probably ought to but you could probably find something to quibble about with BOTH sets of outfits if you really wanted to. I just think it's funny that the SJW battle lines have been drawn again between the "virtuous" female designer and the "naughty" male designer in these cases.

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Well apparently the whole issue of gender politics has cropped up again in Hollywood (what a shock) and I decided to mention it here only because it squarely pertains to superhero movie costume design:
It seems people are making a fuss about comparing the outfits the Amazons are wearing in the recent Wonder Woman movie to the outfits they are wearing in the brand new Justice League movie. I realize the following pic could be considered a spoiler since the Justice League movie technically hasn't been released yet but it doesn't literally "spoil" anything so I'm attaching it here regardless:

Now the big controversy here is that the Amazon costumes on the left (from the Wonder Woman movie) were designed by a WOMAN and the ones on the right (for the Justice League movie) were designed by a MAN. People are jumping on the fact that the outfits on the left appear to be more "practical/functional" whereas the ones on the right appear a bit more like classic "fantasy armor" bikinis than actual outfits "real" Amazon warriors would wear.
I tend to think people are desperately trying to find some hairs to split here. I might agree that the new ones look a little more like "Princess Leia slave bikini" outfits than they probably ought to but you could probably find something to quibble about with BOTH sets of outfits if you really wanted to. I just think it's funny that the SJW battle lines have been drawn again between the "virtuous" female designer and the "naughty" male designer in these cases.

So they go from wearing armour that favours their species natural strength and agility to leather mini skirts and bras..... I.... I quit.... I give up on the DC cinematic universe.... I just... I quit...

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So they go from wearing armour that favours their species natural strength and agility to leather mini skirts and bras..... I.... I quit.... I give up on the DC cinematic universe.... I just... I quit...

LOL I wouldn't give up on the entire DC cinematic universe over this but it is a dumb way to "evolve" the costumes that were established in the Wonder Woman movie. I hate when they change stuff like this seemingly just for the sake of changing it. I get that the guy who did the Justice League outfits was probably under no obligation to reuse the Wonder Woman costumes but it's just plain dumb that they didn't if for nothing else but general continuity reasons. It's crap like this that's led to there being like 5 different versions of Klingons sprinkled throughout the Star Trek franchise now. *sigh*

Bottomline I like the Wonder Woman Amazon costumes better than the Justice League costumes and it's got NOTHING to do with whether a man or woman designed them.

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So they go from wearing armour that favours their species natural strength and agility to leather mini skirts and bras..... I.... I quit.... I give up on the DC cinematic universe.... I just... I quit...
LOL I wouldn't give up on the entire DC cinematic universe over this but it is a dumb way to "evolve" the costumes that were established in the Wonder Woman movie. I hate when they change stuff like this seemingly just for the sake of changing it. I get that the guy who did the Justice League outfits was probably under no obligation to reuse the Wonder Woman costumes but it's just plain dumb that they didn't if nothing else but for general continuity reasons. It's crap like this that's led to there being like 5 different versions of Klingons sprinkled throughout the Star Trek franchise now. *sigh*
Bottomline I like the Wonder Woman Amazon costumes better than the Justice League costumes and it's got NOTHING to do with whether a man or woman designed them.

Yeah well that's usually how these things start, when something like this pops up people go "Hey it's not that bad, calm down, it's not that bad" and before you know it you've got close ups of napalmed corpses and batman killing people with a gun, and for the record? I don't really care about the gender of the person who made these costumes, A guy could have the costumes on the left and a girl could've made the ones on the right and I wouldn't care. What I do care about? Is the fact that this looks a lot like those warning signs from Zack's films that everybody wants to say "Is not that bad" and quite frankly? Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you... the wonder woman amazon costumes where perfect for the amazons skills and culture. Even the stuff like high heels, because since they have that heightened agility they can pretty much use those as war clubs and daggers attached to their feet, but this? I'm sorry but I smell smoke and I see smoke and where there's smoke there's fire.

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You know what? If girls get a chainmail bikini I want a chainmail thong!!

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You know what? If girls get a chainmail bikini I want a chainmail thong!!

Well once again since the Devs are striving to have "no gender locked" costume items if they make a "chainmail thong bikini bottom" then even if they don't make the matching "chainmail bikini top/bra" part they've already got everyone covered (so to speak) with the chainmail thong. ;)

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I don't want a chainmail Thong, I want a chainmail Cup!

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Lothic wrote:
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Well apparently the whole issue of gender politics has cropped up again in Hollywood (what a shock) and I decided to mention it here only because it squarely pertains to superhero movie costume design.
It seems people are making a fuss about comparing the outfits the Amazons are wearing in the recent Wonder Woman movie to the outfits they are wearing in the brand new Justice League movie. I realize the following pic could be considered a spoiler since the Justice League movie technically hasn't been released yet but it doesn't literally "spoil" anything so I'm attaching it here regardless:

Now the big controversy here is that the Amazon costumes on the left (from the Wonder Woman movie) were designed by a WOMAN and the ones on the right (for the Justice League movie) were designed by a MAN. People are jumping on the fact that the outfits on the left appear to be more "practical/functional" whereas the ones on the right appear a bit more like classic "fantasy armor" bikinis than actual outfits "real" Amazon warriors would wear.
I tend to think people are desperately trying to find some hairs to split here. I might agree that the new ones look a little more like "Princess Leia slave bikini" outfits than they probably ought to but you could probably find something to quibble about with BOTH sets of outfits if you really wanted to. I just think it's funny that the SJW battle lines have been drawn again between the "virtuous" female designer and the "naughty" male designer in these cases.

I laugh at anyone who gets upset by this.

Seriously, Amazons didn't cut off one breast, but people like to think it. Amazons, weren't necessarily lesbian, but lots of people like to believe they were all lesbian or bi. Amazons liked tattoos, but do we see any of them tattooed up in the WW movie? No.

They separated into small tribes, but did it look like WW Amazons had small tribes? Amazons also didn't hate men, but hey, that's what WW likes to say.

So seriously, if an outfit is the one deciding factor on "OMG! So wrong!" when it comes to Amazons, then you're just being silly. :p

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On the amazons...here's an

On the amazons...here's an answer, they're in a warmer area in JL vs their homeland of thymscrasejungarng. Did i win? :p

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Well the amazons in the

Well the amazons in the wonder woman movie were a race of all female warriors created by Zeus... So any "historical accuracy" is right out the window right there as these are not the same kind of amazons from our world. They just have some parallels.

On the subject of their attire, or lack thereof, I'd prefer them to be dressed appropriately for their role. But this is the DC cinematic universe and it's pretty much wall to wall garbage. Wonder Woman was an acceptable movie, it wasn't great but it's the best thing DC has squeezed out in a while (as far as live action movies are concerned).

Chalk this up as another failing on the pile of horrible mistakes and missteps DC has been building.

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Well any info on Amazons,

Well any info on Amazons, doesn't seem to really have them in plate mail styles. Chain mail maybe. Then any old art work seems to have them in cloth. Even a quick wiki look, shows no real metal armor. :p

Then there's going with the idea that they're on an island with a finite amount of ore and we see no evidence of mining. Put a full baggy shirt on those leather armors and you likely have your real amazon armor.

But you know, some want that half plate armor, because more protective is better than realism. Oh wait...that more protective was less realistic. :p

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DC amazons have some sort of

DC amazons have some sort of special metal that wondies bracers are made of. I don't know how much they have. But considering they live forever they only need to build as much armor as they have people... Oh and also... Just a thought... They could have brought the armor with them to the island. Or the gods could have gave them each a set when they were made.

The sole reason they're in the bikini's is because someone wanted them to be because "hey! Hot women in skimpy clothes!" There's no deeper reason for it, no "realism" reason. That's the long and short of it.

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I don't know about the rest

I don't know about the rest of you, but this is MY favorite type of Amazon Warrior Woman.


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The sole reason they're in the bikini's is because someone wanted them to be because "hey! Hot women in skimpy clothes!" There's no deeper reason for it, no "realism" reason. That's the long and short of it.

/snerk

What time of year is it in the two respective films? Do you wear the same clothes in summer that you do in winter? Do Amazons wear the exact same armor outfits at all time throughout every season of the year? Do they not have Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter fashions?


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Project_Hero wrote:
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DC amazons have some sort of special metal that wondies bracers are made of. I don't know how much they have. But considering they live forever they only need to build as much armor as they have people... Oh and also... Just a thought... They could have brought the armor with them to the island. Or the gods could have gave them each a set when they were made.
The sole reason they're in the bikini's is because someone wanted them to be because "hey! Hot women in skimpy clothes!" There's no deeper reason for it, no "realism" reason. That's the long and short of it.

Of course that's the reason, however if someone's going to cry out "Realism!" I would hope they new what the realism was :p

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The sole reason they're in the bikini's is because someone wanted them to be because "hey! Hot women in skimpy clothes!" There's no deeper reason for it, no "realism" reason. That's the long and short of it.
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What time of year is it in the two respective films? Do you wear the same clothes in summer that you do in winter? Do Amazons wear the exact same armor outfits at all time throughout every season of the year? Do they not have Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter fashions?

While true, didn't the queen wear some more heavy clothes, while those around her wore less?

Also, don't they basically live on a nice tropical island?

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Lothic wrote:
Well apparently the whole issue of gender politics has cropped up again in Hollywood (what a shock) and I decided to mention it here only because it squarely pertains to superhero movie costume design.
It seems people are making a fuss about comparing the outfits the Amazons are wearing in the recent Wonder Woman movie to the outfits they are wearing in the brand new Justice League movie. I realize the following pic could be considered a spoiler since the Justice League movie technically hasn't been released yet but it doesn't literally "spoil" anything so I'm attaching it here regardless:
Now the big controversy here is that the Amazon costumes on the left (from the Wonder Woman movie) were designed by a WOMAN and the ones on the right (for the Justice League movie) were designed by a MAN. People are jumping on the fact that the outfits on the left appear to be more "practical/functional" whereas the ones on the right appear a bit more like classic "fantasy armor" bikinis than actual outfits "real" Amazon warriors would wear.
I tend to think people are desperately trying to find some hairs to split here. I might agree that the new ones look a little more like "Princess Leia slave bikini" outfits than they probably ought to but you could probably find something to quibble about with BOTH sets of outfits if you really wanted to. I just think it's funny that the SJW battle lines have been drawn again between the "virtuous" female designer and the "naughty" male designer in these cases.
I laugh at anyone who gets upset by this.
Seriously, Amazons didn't cut off one breast, but people like to think it. Amazons, weren't necessarily lesbian, but lots of people like to believe they were all lesbian or bi. Amazons liked tattoos, but do we see any of them tattooed up in the WW movie? No.
They separated into small tribes, but did it look like WW Amazons had small tribes? Amazons also didn't hate men, but hey, that's what WW likes to say.
So seriously, if an outfit is the one deciding factor on "OMG! So wrong!" when it comes to Amazons, then you're just being silly. :p

DC universe Amazons not historical ones/ Yeah I get that Amazons where a real people back in the day, but the ones in Wonder Woman mythos aren't those amazons. They're sculpted from magic clay into beings that look like female humans and have 10 times their strength and speed.

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Well apparently the whole issue of gender politics has cropped up again in Hollywood (what a shock) and I decided to mention it here only because it squarely pertains to superhero movie costume design.
It seems people are making a fuss about comparing the outfits the Amazons are wearing in the recent Wonder Woman movie to the outfits they are wearing in the brand new Justice League movie. I realize the following pic could be considered a spoiler since the Justice League movie technically hasn't been released yet but it doesn't literally "spoil" anything so I'm attaching it here regardless:
Now the big controversy here is that the Amazon costumes on the left (from the Wonder Woman movie) were designed by a WOMAN and the ones on the right (for the Justice League movie) were designed by a MAN. People are jumping on the fact that the outfits on the left appear to be more "practical/functional" whereas the ones on the right appear a bit more like classic "fantasy armor" bikinis than actual outfits "real" Amazon warriors would wear.
I tend to think people are desperately trying to find some hairs to split here. I might agree that the new ones look a little more like "Princess Leia slave bikini" outfits than they probably ought to but you could probably find something to quibble about with BOTH sets of outfits if you really wanted to. I just think it's funny that the SJW battle lines have been drawn again between the "virtuous" female designer and the "naughty" male designer in these cases.
I laugh at anyone who gets upset by this.
Seriously, Amazons didn't cut off one breast, but people like to think it. Amazons, weren't necessarily lesbian, but lots of people like to believe they were all lesbian or bi. Amazons liked tattoos, but do we see any of them tattooed up in the WW movie? No.
They separated into small tribes, but did it look like WW Amazons had small tribes? Amazons also didn't hate men, but hey, that's what WW likes to say.
So seriously, if an outfit is the one deciding factor on "OMG! So wrong!" when it comes to Amazons, then you're just being silly. :p
DC universe Amazons not historical ones/ Yeah I get that Amazons where a real people back in the day, but the ones in Wonder Woman mythos aren't those amazons. They're sculpted from magic clay into beings that look like female humans and have 10 times their strength and speed.

Which goes back to, "They can wear whatever the creator wants them to wear at that point, just fine" as they're not real, they're fictional. So if the creator wants them to wear leather bikinis, then that's exactly the type of clothes they want to wear. :p

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Also? To be honest here? I have no problem with fur bikinis don't know if anyone was accusing me of that, I'm tired and hungry. My problem is more with those specific amazons turning into more scantidly clad amazons. Immma eat pizza and sleep now...

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Also? To be honest here? I have no problem with fur bikinis don't know if anyone was accusing me of that, I'm tired and hungry. My problem is more with those specific amazons turning into more scantidly clad amazons. Immma eat pizza and sleep now...

Well to be fair, after the island was invaded, they may have come to realize, they have no armor that can actually protect against modern firearms (modern firearms able to penetrate breast plate easily). So more movement may have been their answer to firearms.

Not to mention, in Diana's training they weren't really wearing metal armor. Even on the beach scene versus the Germans, there were many who just wore leather armor. Which includes Diana's aunt (forgot her name).

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Well apparently the whole issue of gender politics has cropped up again in Hollywood (what a shock) and I decided to mention it here only because it squarely pertains to superhero movie costume design.
It seems people are making a fuss about comparing the outfits the Amazons are wearing in the recent Wonder Woman movie to the outfits they are wearing in the brand new Justice League movie. I realize the following pic could be considered a spoiler since the Justice League movie technically hasn't been released yet but it doesn't literally "spoil" anything so I'm attaching it here regardless:
Now the big controversy here is that the Amazon costumes on the left (from the Wonder Woman movie) were designed by a WOMAN and the ones on the right (for the Justice League movie) were designed by a MAN. People are jumping on the fact that the outfits on the left appear to be more "practical/functional" whereas the ones on the right appear a bit more like classic "fantasy armor" bikinis than actual outfits "real" Amazon warriors would wear.
I tend to think people are desperately trying to find some hairs to split here. I might agree that the new ones look a little more like "Princess Leia slave bikini" outfits than they probably ought to but you could probably find something to quibble about with BOTH sets of outfits if you really wanted to. I just think it's funny that the SJW battle lines have been drawn again between the "virtuous" female designer and the "naughty" male designer in these cases.
I laugh at anyone who gets upset by this.
Seriously, Amazons didn't cut off one breast, but people like to think it. Amazons, weren't necessarily lesbian, but lots of people like to believe they were all lesbian or bi. Amazons liked tattoos, but do we see any of them tattooed up in the WW movie? No.
They separated into small tribes, but did it look like WW Amazons had small tribes? Amazons also didn't hate men, but hey, that's what WW likes to say.
So seriously, if an outfit is the one deciding factor on "OMG! So wrong!" when it comes to Amazons, then you're just being silly. :p
DC universe Amazons not historical ones/ Yeah I get that Amazons where a real people back in the day, but the ones in Wonder Woman mythos aren't those amazons. They're sculpted from magic clay into beings that look like female humans and have 10 times their strength and speed.
Which goes back to, "They can wear whatever the creator wants them to wear at that point, just fine" as they're not real, they're fictional. So if the creator wants them to wear leather bikinis, then that's exactly the type of clothes they want to wear. :p

Well not really.... people complain about the new DC universe cinematic universe, because these are specific characters acting as nothing like those specific characters. DC pretty much took a guy who was really good at directing capepunk movies and then had him try to head a cinematic universe based on a genre that only looked like capepunk at a glance. Those movies where bad because they tried to market them to people who like superheroes, and made it look like they where trying to go for those traditional comic roles but instead made movies that almost seem like they where made for people who hated these characters. That's what it boils down to. It's nothing on Zack Snyder, again he just didn't know what he was getting into because he's used to a totally different genre than superheroes, but rather it's about being honest with these characters that millions of people had grown up with. If it had been Zack Snyder playing around with his own creations in a capepunk world, the movies would have been fine, but because these aren't totally fresh characters, but rather characters we grew up as, these characters acting this way just comes across as some weird fanfic written by a teenager who wears way too much black.

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The sole reason they're in the bikini's is because someone wanted them to be because "hey! Hot women in skimpy clothes!" There's no deeper reason for it, no "realism" reason. That's the long and short of it.
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What time of year is it in the two respective films? Do you wear the same clothes in summer that you do in winter? Do Amazons wear the exact same armor outfits at all time throughout every season of the year? Do they not have Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter fashions?

They live on Paradise Island. So a Mediterranean climate and always a perfect day. But the only way the leather bikinis make any kind of sense would be if the amazons in the movie got suddenly attacked with no time to change... Though why they're wearing leather bikinis is another question entirely.

And I'd expect amazons to wear their armor if they're going to be fighting.

In a perfect world this sort of thing would pass unnoticed. But there's a reason why this kind of thing is a trope and a character like Brianne of Tarth is considered something of a rarity. There's a reason there's a thing called female armor syndrome. There's a reason there's a whole website devoted to fixing such terrible armor designs.

I'm fine with characters wearing something revealing in the appropriate situation or if it suits the character. Preferably both.

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Also? To be honest here? I have no problem with fur bikinis don't know if anyone was accusing me of that, I'm tired and hungry. My problem is more with those specific amazons turning into more scantidly clad amazons. Immma eat pizza and sleep now...
Well to be fair, after the island was invaded, they may have come to realize, they have no armor that can actually protect against modern firearms (modern firearms able to penetrate breast plate easily). So more movement may have been their answer to firearms.
Not to mention, in Diana's training they weren't really wearing metal armor. Even on the beach scene versus the Germans, there were many who just wore leather armor. Which includes Diana's aunt (forgot her name).

That's... actually a good point.... guess I'm back to waiting for reviews rather than just ignoring the movie completely... also I really do want that chainmail thong.... and I ain't talking about normal sized undies that have a chainmail texture on them, I am talking full on "Oh god Uncle Steve went crazy at the medieval fair and why doesn't he have pants?" levels of thongage, I want my mostly naked barbarian man to run at a group of thugs in this and have them go "Nope!! Just no!! I quit crime and I quit life I would rather die any other way than from a guy wearing that!!", I want gods to weep at my poor wardrobe choice!!

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"Because this armor doesn't work against one type of enemy weapon we shouldn't wear any kind of protection at all! For it's not like they could attack us in melee or anything!"

That's like saying there's no point wearing a stab vest because you might get shot. Going into battle would you rather wear some armor that might protect you against something or no armor that definately won't protect you from anything?

Edit: fixed spelling, stupid phone.

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You know what would be cool?

You know what would be cool? If Bruce Wayne went up to them and said "Hey Ladies!! Kevlar exists!!" and then we get like an entire army of amazons in riot gear beating up Parademons with their swords!!

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You know what would be cool? If Bruce Wayne went up to them and said "Hey Ladies!! Kevlar exists!!" and then we get like an entire army of amazons in riot gear beating up Parademons with their swords!!

Oh but Kevlar might not work against lasers! Best to go naked. For the slight agility boost.

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You know what would be cool? If Bruce Wayne went up to them and said "Hey Ladies!! Kevlar exists!!" and then we get like an entire army of amazons in riot gear beating up Parademons with their swords!!
Oh but Kevlar might not work against lasers! Best to go naked. For the slight agility boost.

You are just so filled with salt right now...

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The reviews seem to be "It's

The reviews seem to be "It's okay! Hero's good are good, except Cyborg and the villain, like all movie villains, suck" :p That's just what I've seen so far. Not surprised by the Cyborg sucking though, he seems terrible in the trailers.

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The reviews seem to be "It's okay! Hero's good are good, except Cyborg and the villain, like all movie villains, suck" :p That's just what I've seen so far. Not surprised by the Cyborg sucking though, he seems terrible in the trailers.

yeah like... cyborg was never a cold emotionless robot, he didn't even say "BOOYAH!!" once!!!

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The trailer(s) made it look

The trailer(s) made it look like a complete disjointed mess. But I did get a chuckle out of the line in said trailer "an invasion?" "No. Something darker." Just had to roll my eyes at that. Cause of course it needs to be darker it's a DC movie. And none of the jokes in the trailer were funny.

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"Because this armor doesn't work against one type of enemy weapon we shouldn't wear any kind of protection at all! For it's not like they could attack us in melee or anything!"
That's like saying there's no point wearing a stab vest because you might get shot. Going into battle would you rather wear some armor that might protect you against something or no armor that definately won't protect you from anything?
Edit: fixed spelling, stupid phone.

I think we already established that their armor didn't protect them from anything.

Watch the scene, they (the Germans) didn't really go hand to hand (and would've failed if they did) and as I said, it could have just been a reason. There's also the fact that, nothing I've ever read, said the armor was comfortable. So, really, just a possibility was given as to why "Oh hey, they're not wearing armor that does them no good in a modern warfare fight!"

Maybe we'll find out they turned that plate armor into modern weapons and drones!

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The reviews seem to be "It's okay! Hero's good are good, except Cyborg and the villain, like all movie villains, suck" :p That's just what I've seen so far. Not surprised by the Cyborg sucking though, he seems terrible in the trailers.
yeah like... cyborg was never a cold emotionless robot, he didn't even say "BOOYAH!!" once!!!

Also seems that Flash and Aquaman steal the movie by the sounds of it. Which, Aquaman being a scene stealer may just be the most amazing thing :p

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The reviews seem to be "It's okay! Hero's good are good, except Cyborg and the villain, like all movie villains, suck" :p That's just what I've seen so far. Not surprised by the Cyborg sucking though, he seems terrible in the trailers.
yeah like... cyborg was never a cold emotionless robot, he didn't even say "BOOYAH!!" once!!!
Also seems that Flash and Aquaman steal the movie by the sounds of it. Which, Aquaman being a scene stealer may just be the most amazing thing :p

I imagine him to be like a mix between Drax and Thor from what I've seen.

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And because one kind of foe didn't go in for melee none ever will again! Better throw the armor away!

Again. -Some- protection from -some- things is better than no protection from anything.

Also just watched the scene on YouTube and some of the Germans do go into melee. Infact one tries to club Diana with his gun... So yeah. Still viable in a modern fight.

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He went to club the one

He went to club the one without metal on. :p Which btw, none of the soldiers were wearing armor.

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He went to club the one without metal on. :p Which btw, none of the soldiers were wearing armor.

And how did that work out for them? They lost against people wielding out of date weaponry. If they had some old school armor they might have stood more of a chance.

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"Because this armor doesn't work against one type of enemy weapon we shouldn't wear any kind of protection at all! For it's not like they could attack us in melee or anything!"
That's like saying there's no point wearing a stab vest because you might get shot. Going into battle would you rather wear some armor that might protect you against something or no armor that definately won't protect you from anything?
Edit: fixed spelling, stupid phone.
I think we already established that their armor didn't protect them from anything.
Watch the scene, they (the Germans) didn't really go hand to hand (and would've failed if they did) and as I said, it could have just been a reason. There's also the fact that, nothing I've ever read, said the armor was comfortable. So, really, just a possibility was given as to why "Oh hey, they're not wearing armor that does them no good in a modern warfare fight!"
Maybe we'll find out they turned that plate armor into modern weapons and drones!

Gal Gadot actually said her outfit was very uncomfortable, but that was about Wonder Woman's armor in particular, not about what the other amazonians were wearing.

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He went to club the one without metal on. :p Which btw, none of the soldiers were wearing armor.
And how did that work out for them? They lost against people wielding out of date weaponry. If they had some old school armor they might have stood more of a chance.

Well, arrows tend to go through armor. Swords still like to go through arms (which notice, none of the Amazons had full plate, so where was that limb protection for them?) and legs. Also, back to modern warfare. Armor that doesn't protect you from modern weapons is worthless armor.

However, again, we have no idea why they're wearing what they are in JL. However, what we do know is, not all Amazons wore metal armor in Wonder Woman. In fact, the only difference between the armor we see that looks like a leather bikini top and what was worn by many in WW, is that those in WW had their navels covered...with cloth. :p

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He went to club the one without metal on. :p Which btw, none of the soldiers were wearing armor.
And how did that work out for them? They lost against people wielding out of date weaponry. If they had some old school armor they might have stood more of a chance.
Well, arrows tend to go through armor. Swords still like to go through arms (which notice, none of the Amazons had full plate, so where was that limb protection for them?) and legs. Also, back to modern warfare. Armor that doesn't protect you from modern weapons is worthless armor.
However, again, we have no idea why they're wearing what they are in JL. However, what we do know is, not all Amazons wore metal armor in Wonder Woman. In fact, the only difference between the armor we see that looks like a leather bikini top and what was worn by many in WW, is that those in WW had their navels covered...with cloth. :p

Yeah, they even full plate knight armor isn't bulletproof, so as far as efficacy they were going to have a bad time.

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Ah, like how modern troops don't wear their Kevlar vests or stab vests because it doesn't cover their limbs... Right. And a knife is still a knife modern or not. And if it's parademons their fighting those guys have been known to go in with claws... But this is the DC movie-verse so who knows what they'll do.

Covered with cloth, which there could be more leather under. But who knows. Either way, most of that stuff was when they were just hanging around. Unless the JL movie has them being surprised at their annual beach sparring those outfits are highly impractical for combat.

A more distressing thing is that the new designs don't even have their bracers... You know the things that can block and deflect bullets... Might be useful. Though in the movie-verse might only be Diana that can do that...

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Full plate may not be useful against modern arms fire but it was good against muskets and the like. It was just expensive and took like 3 months to build. Might as well make a butt load of guns, and send your untrained guys out there skivvies. Overwhelm the enemy with numbers.

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I just find it interesting that his entire breakdown of the pros and cons of barbarian armor makes it out that a Barbarian (with a shield) would in fact be the defensive, long endurance fighter (the tank), where the platemail clad heavy armor fighter would be the aggressive, low endurance damage dealer (the melee DPS). Which one will note is THE EXACT OPPOSITE of how they're utilized in every game I've ever seen them in.

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Ah, like how modern troops don't wear their Kevlar vests or stab vests because it doesn't cover their limbs... Right. And a knife is still a knife modern or not. And if it's parademons their fighting those guys have been known to go in with claws... But this is the DC movie-verse so who knows what they'll do.
Covered with cloth, which there could be more leather under. But who knows. Either way, most of that stuff was when they were just hanging around. Unless the JL movie has them being surprised at their annual beach sparring those outfits are highly impractical for combat.
A more distressing thing is that the new designs don't even have their bracers... You know the things that can block and deflect bullets... Might be useful. Though in the movie-verse might only be Diana that can do that...

What in the movie, ever gave the idea, that the Amazons who aren't Diana could deflect bullets? I don't recall seeing any of the Amazons showing any kind of ability to be like Diana, the one who's the daughter of a god, and they're just a group of amazons.

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Wing placement variations.

Wing placement variations.

Lower back/butt. Pretty much a staple in anime at least.

Head. Got the thought when I got a pet in D3 that had wings formed from hair extension.

Miniature head-wings has also been a pretty good staple in Anime, though not sure that should be part of the wings category or head accessory category.

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Another option would be wings on the feet, like so:

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Wing placement variations.
Lower back/butt. Pretty much a staple in anime at least.

What!? I hope not. It would make no sense at all for anyone to have wings on their lower back or butt area. Putting wings below your center of gravity would cause you to fly suspended upside down, if you could fly at all, because flying upside down would change the angle of your wing and you'd just kind of drag your face across the ground.

I can understand some anime-inspired images drawn by people who put the wings there to look cute, but I seriously doubt there are any actual anime that have wings that low on a person's body.

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Ah, like how modern troops don't wear their Kevlar vests or stab vests because it doesn't cover their limbs... Right. And a knife is still a knife modern or not. And if it's parademons their fighting those guys have been known to go in with claws... But this is the DC movie-verse so who knows what they'll do.
Covered with cloth, which there could be more leather under. But who knows. Either way, most of that stuff was when they were just hanging around. Unless the JL movie has them being surprised at their annual beach sparring those outfits are highly impractical for combat.
A more distressing thing is that the new designs don't even have their bracers... You know the things that can block and deflect bullets... Might be useful. Though in the movie-verse might only be Diana that can do that...
What in the movie, ever gave the idea, that the Amazons who aren't Diana could deflect bullets? I don't recall seeing any of the Amazons showing any kind of ability to be like Diana, the one who's the daughter of a god, and they're just a group of amazons.

Well, they were all made by the gods. But Diana is imbued with super special god powers that are for some reason seemingly stronger than the one who made her... But you know, gods or whatever.

In the comics at any rate all the amazons could block bullets (I think) but Diana was best at it, she's blocked some things travelling at light speed (or higher).

Anyway it's been a while since I've watched the movie but as far as I know Diana isn't a demi-god in the movie she's more or less a weapon in Amazon form. So I'm not sure how many abilities are Diana only and which ones are shared by the rest of the amazons. She's got that explodey wave thing and she can go super Saiyan (essentially) but I don't recall anything saying she's stronger or faster than the rest of them.

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On the lower wings discussion

On the lower wings discussion if they have a normal set of wings then the lower ones are probably for stability/maneuverability granted they'd probably need to be smaller than the main set. In anything I've seen where they just have a lower set of wings I don't think they use them to fly, if they fly they just kinda hover while the wings don't do much.

Probably just there for show, though it'd be really difficult to get dressed with lower wings... Or any wings really... Sitting in chairs might be a problem... And laying down... *Continues to list off things that would be difficult to do with wings*

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Lower back/butt. Pretty much a staple in anime at least.
What!? I hope not. It would make no sense at all for anyone to have wings on their lower back or butt area. Putting wings below your center of gravity would cause you to fly suspended upside down, if you could fly at all, because flying upside down would change the angle of your wing and you'd just kind of drag your face across the ground.
I can understand some anime-inspired images drawn by people who put the wings there to look cute, but I seriously doubt there are any actual anime that have wings that low on a person's body.
EDIT: I guess I should never poo poo anyone's ideas. So if we DO have wings in that area, they should at least animate the flying stance to look more like this:

One example of a character with lower back wings in an Anime. Sure I fully admit it could very well be the exception to it, even possibly the only one since I didn't do any more searches. And yes, the upper example I used before is a fan rendition of this character.

As for possible explanations. Maybe they just have heavy enough feet and legs to shift their center of gravity low enough that they make it more efficient since they can now fly "level" with the wings placed there.

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Probably just there for show, though it'd be really difficult to get dressed with lower wings... Or any wings really... Sitting in chairs might be a problem... And laying down... *Continues to list off things that would be difficult to do with wings*

It's funny but when I first "translated" one of my super-old table-top RPG characters into CoH I had to live with the fact that wings and animated tails didn't exist in CoH. Those things eventually appeared in CoH (years after launch) which was a good thing, but with that I suddenly started thinking about all the other things the game didn't handle perfectly with respect to human-shaped people who also had wings/tails to deal with. Among them were things like:

  • clothing items (how many pants/skirts/bodysuits/shirts/etc. would work with wing/tail holes?)
  • coloring wings/tails with the same "skin tones" used for the rest of the body
  • good emotes for sitting with wings/tails
  • good emotes for lying down with wings/tails

Of course CoH didn't even provide for wings that were attached to different places than the back. Hopefully many of these things will be "better accounted for" in CoT.

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As for possible explanations. Maybe they just have heavy enough feet and legs to shift their center of gravity low enough that they make it more efficient since they can now fly "level" with the wings placed there.

Now that I've had a chance to engage my more imaginitive side and not just the engineer in me, I think lower wings could be useful for a few things:
1. Boosting leaps. Giving yourself a ground-effect and boost assist when running and jumping. This would definitely help with acrobatics, assuming you don't get them caught in obstacles.
2. Shields and buffets. Wings down low would help with combat, allowing you to keep your footing better as well as protecting your lower body from attacks and even tripping up your opponents. And like a hakama in aikido, the wings can be used to hide your footwork.
3. There are seraphim with six wings in the Judeo Christian book of Isaiah, so a set of lower wings can give the impression of a fallen or degenerate angel whose top two pairs have been lost or removed in order to keep them from flying, but not the last lowest pair, so as to be a reminder of what was lost and to keep from being able to assume the guise of anything but a fallen angel. And that, my friends, sounds like a pretty kick-ass character background and a good reason to wear hip-wings.


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I just find it interesting that his entire breakdown of the pros and cons of barbarian armor makes it out that a Barbarian (with a shield) would in fact be the defensive, long endurance fighter (the tank), where the platemail clad heavy armor fighter would be the aggressive, low endurance damage dealer (the melee DPS). Which one will note is THE EXACT OPPOSITE of how they're utilized in every game I've ever seen them in.

The reason for that, as stated in the video is ... heat buildup/heat loss and heat exhaustion. Fighting in plate armor gets ... WARM ... and if you can't sink the heat away from your body, you'll overheat and lose combat effectiveness. Fighting with lots of bare skin helps offset the heat buildup that happens naturally when heavily exerting yourself physically (which combat tends to include a lot of). So in this case the tradeoff is protection versus time to overheating ... which isn't exactly something that videogames tend to keep track of.


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There are plenty of examples

There are plenty of examples of the "atypical wing" concept if you dig far enough. The one that always springs to mind for me is Morrigan Aensland from Capcom's Darkstalkers series. She has "waist wings" and "head canards":

Besides that this is a superhero game so we all know things like this can exist without there being a strictly "proper" physics explanation for it. ;)

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Okay, but Costume items

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Now that I've had a chance to engage my more imaginative side and not just the engineer in me, I think lower wings could be useful for a few things:...

Okay, but Costume items should have utterly zero effect on game powers or mechanics. That's the whole point of decoupling.

I still think (personal opinion!) that 'waist wings' look silly.

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But should costume options

But should costume options have an effect on aesthetics? Or vice versa? Rocket boots that shoot fire when you fly with them persay. Would that be an animation that's with the boots, available without, or both? Could certain costumes have costume-specific aesthetic animations?

Would you be able to have wings that don't flap when you fly? Hmm...

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Well, Costumes kind of Are

Well, Costumes kind of Are 'aesthetics'... Power animations might have some relation to 'costume' animations. I seem to remember there were 'Rocket Boots' as a costume option, which did spew flames when the character was not on the ground.

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Animal themed armor! Bird!

Animal themed armor! Bird! Cat! Wolf! Insect? Fish!? Bat..?

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Wait are people still

Wait are people still complaining about the Snyder films? This is the costume request thread!! Suggest some costume pieces!!! Also I want bug heads, big ol big heads for scaring children

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Okay, but Costume items should have utterly zero effect on game powers or mechanics. That's the whole point of decoupling

Wait a minute... who's talking about costume items having ANY effect on game powers or mechanics? I certainly wasn't. I know when I was talking about "explaining" how atypical wing placement might "work" I was just saying that from a roleplaying point of view. I suspect that's the way everyone else was approaching this subject as well. *shrugs*

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I still think (personal opinion!) that 'waist wings' look silly.

Not seeing where anyone would have made you use them regardless. Frankly I probably would never use maybe at least a third of the items I cataloged in the costume list but I never bothered to provide any negative commentary on them. ;)

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Well, Costumes kind of Are 'aesthetics'... Power animations might have some relation to 'costume' animations. I seem to remember there were 'Rocket Boots' as a costume option, which did spew flames when the character was not on the ground.

Specific costume items should NEVER be a requirement to allow any given power to work. On the other hand there should be no problem with specific costume items "aesthetically reacting" to various situations (like wings that flap while the character is Flying). These are the Basic Commandments of Costumes established by CoH.

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Wait are people still complaining about the Snyder films? This is the costume request thread!!

Actually to be fair I think you might have been just about the only one specifically "complaining" about the Snyder films. Most of the discussion about the Amazons (several dozen posts ago) centered on whether their outfits would have been "practical" IRL or not.

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Wait are people still complaining about the Snyder films? This is the costume request thread!!
Actually to be fair I think you might have been just about the only one specifically "complaining" about the Snyder films. Most of the discussion about the Amazons (several dozen posts ago) centered on whether their outfits would have been "practical" IRL or not.

Ah... well this is embarrassing... *tap dances out*

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notears wrote:
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Wait are people still complaining about the Snyder films? This is the costume request thread!!
Actually to be fair I think you might have been just about the only one specifically "complaining" about the Snyder films. Most of the discussion about the Amazons (several dozen posts ago) centered on whether their outfits would have been "practical" IRL or not.
Ah... well this is embarrassing... *tap dances out*

No worries. I mainly threw that post about the Amazons in there to spur on people talking about costumes in general so it did what I wanted it to do. :)

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We should be able to have

We should be able to have Liefeldian proportions and pouches everywhere!!!

Not for any personal reason. I just think it's funny.

But I have joked about making a Liefeldian caricature hero just named "The Liefeldian" who'd be an alien from a planet where everyone has proportions like that.

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I don't know. A lot of the

I don't know. A lot of the male characters we've seen already look like they're very much in the vain of Liefeld :p

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I don't know. A lot of the male characters we've seen already look like they're very much in the vain of Liefeld :p

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I don't know. A lot of the male characters we've seen already look like they're very much in the vain of Liefeld :p

Is... Is that an in game screen shot? Why... I can't even tell the difference! /S

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I don't know. A lot of the male characters we've seen already look like they're very much in the vain of Liefeld :p

Does he have some elephantiasis of the chest?!

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See! Totally looks like the

See! Totally looks like the males we've seen in game :p

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