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Well this new X-Men Dark

Well this new X-Men Dark Phoenix movie certainly "looks" like it could be good. Of course I've also been reading that some people think it's going to be as bad as the last Fantastic Four movie but that obviously seems like haters being silly about it.

I'll be perfectly honest about my reaction here. I do like the X-Men movies in general and I do like the "young" cast (James McAvoy et.al.) but after so many other X-Men movies in the last 10-20 real years which have "hopped around" the timeline between the 60's and "current day" I'm honestly getting a little burned out keeping track of it all.

For instance we've seen several movie versions of Jean Grey as a little girl, a preteen, now as Sophie Turner and of course as Famke Janssen but we've seen all these versions of the character "out of order" chronologically. I suppose a X-Men "super fan" probably does not mind that and/or can easily keep track of it all but for me (I'd rate myself an "average fan" of the X-Men) it's becoming a bit of a mess keeping it all straight in my head. In some of the movies Jean seems to be controlling her powers - in others she seems to be losing it. It's just becoming hard to know how many times she's either "good to go" or "she's the biggest threat to the universe" or anything in-between.

If this new movie does a decent job "explaining" how this version of Jean Grey fits within the continuity of the other versions we've seen then it should work out. Otherwise I might become too distracted trying to "figure things out" to truly enjoy this new movie.

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I don't see the movies as out

I don't see the movies as out of order.

I'd say the original trilogy was negated with the time travel.

As for Days of Future Past's ending, they were far into the future, could be the original timeline's future or the current timeline's future.

That said, Logan ruined it all. :p

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I don't see the movies as out of order.

I'd say the original trilogy was negated with the time travel.

Eh, I'm not sure you can really say that. Is that the "official way" they are explaining the movie canon?

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As for Days of Future Past's ending, they were far into the future, could be the original timeline's future or the current timeline's future.

I'm just saying they are chronologically "out of order" relative to when each movie was made/released. For instance X-Men: First Class (set in the 1960s) was the 5th X-Men movie released in 2011. If you wanted to try to watch all these movies in "chronological order" you would definitely NOT end up seeing them in the order they were made/released. Even the later movies (assuming you accept the original trilogy has been negated) jump around in time from one to the next.

This is where my confusion with Jean Grey sets in. In one movie she's "fine" but in another movie she's effectively "the biggest threat the world has ever seen" and throughout all of them Professor X is trying to control/manipulate her to keep her in-check. When did she blow up and become Dark Phoenix the first time? If she's going to be the "worst thing they ever faced" in this movie (the Sophie Turner version) then why the hell are they so OK and trusting of her by the time she's older (the Famke Janssen version)? To me the sequence of events are going to be entirely f*@ked up with her by the time you try to string these movies together.

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That said, Logan ruined it all. :p

Yeah the whole "proper sequence of events" thing does get muddled after all the jumping around they've been doing. ;)

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That's just it. The original

That's just it. The original trilogy was negated, because the new set of movies changed everything.

No one heard of Nightcrawler in X-2. Now in the new set, he's one of the team.

The part aspect that I feel gets muddled, is Mystique growing up with Charles. Now, I love that change. However, there was no sign of that ever being the case in the first X-Men movie.

I don't even hate the idea of Mystique being a hero. In fact, I like the idea of her being a bit of a part time hero part time opponent of the X-Men. Not so much with Magneto though. Likely because I can see Mystique doing things on a much more smaller scale than Magneto, where her face changes don't come out as big world disasters.

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That's just it. The original trilogy was negated, because the new set of movies changed everything.

No one heard of Nightcrawler in X-2. Now in the new set, he's one of the team.

Funny how I never really got the crystal clear idea that the original trilogy was totally tossed aside and rendered pointless. I guess that shows how much attention I pay to these movies overall lol. Perhaps if I ever bothered to watch these movies back to back (instead of like once every 2 or 3 years) it'd be more obvious. The Nightcrawler thing probably threw me because they were played by two different people and the character was only in the new movies for like 20 seconds tops. Just never put 2 and 2 together on that. ;)

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The part aspect that I feel gets muddled, is Mystique growing up with Charles. Now, I love that change. However, there was no sign of that ever being the case in the first X-Men movie.

I don't even hate the idea of Mystique being a hero. In fact, I like the idea of her being a bit of a part time hero part time opponent of the X-Men. Not so much with Magneto though. Likely because I can see Mystique doing things on a much more smaller scale than Magneto, where her face changes don't come out as big world disasters.

At least the possibility that "Mystique grew up with Charles" was not outright refuted by the first movie. It could have very cleanly been a plot point "not worth mentioning". Think about it. ;)

Anyway like I said even if we pretend the original trilogy didn't happen and/or was negated I still think there's enough time-hopping back-n-forth between the remaining movies to confuse the situation with Jean. Ultimately these plot points are bound to unravel when you're talking about trying to keep character development linked between multiple movies that weren't technically expecting each other to happen. For instance if they knew they were going to create like 10 movies in a row from Day One they could have written them with the anticipation that something that happens in movie #8 might be directly based on something that happened in movie #2.

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I think they could keep

I think they could keep continuity easily. It's them deciding to jump to the past as a sort of reboot that muddled it up.

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I think they could keep continuity easily. It's them deciding to jump to the past as a sort of reboot that muddled it up.

Right I think they could have kept the continuity straight if it had been a priority. Sadly it wasn't. I'm sure this latest movie will earn hundreds of millions regardless. ;)

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Well, even if it doesn't, I'm

Well, even if it doesn't, I'm sure the MCU will be introducing us to the new X-Men :)

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The Dark Phoenix Saga was

The Dark Phoenix Saga was awful in the comics. This is one comic book movie I’d like to see not stay faithful to the source.

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The Dark Phoenix Saga was awful in the comics. This is one comic book movie I’d like to see not stay faithful to the source.

Oh to be clear I'm not claiming I want these movies to stay true to the comic books. I'm too cynical to expect that could even be possible even if it was desirable. ;)

What I'm concerned with is at least having the "movie canon" stay consistent with itself. Again I don't expect the movies to match the comic books, but it's semi-reasonable to expect/hope that the movies ought to remain cohesive amongst themselves. Sadly I don't think even -that- is going to happen here.

On a positive note I'm a huge Sophie Turner fan (from Game of Thrones and X-Men: Apocalypse obviously) so I'm probably going to enjoy this movie even if the plotline/story is completely muddled. As they say I'd probably watch a two-hour movie of her just standing there reading numbers from a phone book. ;)

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Well, I thought her acting in

Well, I thought her acting in X-Men was akin to her standing there reading numbers from a phone book :p

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Well, I thought her acting in X-Men was akin to her standing there reading numbers from a phone book :p

Nice. ;)

To be fair I never claimed she was the best actress in the world. I call it a guilty pleasure. ;)

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As for Sophie Turner, she

As for Sophie Turner, she seems to be more into the role in this movie than Apocalypse. Personally, I don't mind her, but her crying voice is kind of annoying.

As for the movie, I like that there are more similarities to the comic book storyline than The Last Stand, and some of the effects seem awesome, but I wont really have a full opinion until i get to watch it. As ive mentioned many times in many threads, Storm is my favorite so as long as they portray her like her true comic self and show a great display of her power, and give her more lines, I will definitely be into it.

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As for Sophie Turner, she seems to be more into the role in this movie than Apocalypse. Personally, I don't mind her, but her crying voice is kind of annoying.

Well for better or worse she is basically going to be the "central character" of this movie. Maybe she'll be too busy destroying the world to be "crying" about it this time. :)

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I'm trying to keep an open

I'm trying to keep an open mind, but it will be difficult to do justice to the Dark Phoenix story without the Shi'ar and their client species.

EDIT: The Wikipedia entry on the Shi'ar says that they will appear in the film, but it does not seem to list a source. Also, I can't find a list of actors that includes people playing Shi'ar characters, and I did not spot any references to the Shi'ar in the trailers.

Sooo....I dunno.

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I find the IMDB has several

I find the IMDB has several persons listed as in the cast but with no role given, e.g. Jessica Chastain. Might some of these be our missing Shi'ar?

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I'm pretty sure that Jessica

I'm pretty sure that Jessica Chastain plays a composite character of various Hellfire Club people, notably including Mastermind; she will be the tempter character for Phoenix.

Specifically, Chastain denied playing Lilandra.

The others could be playing Shi'ar I suppose.

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Well the trailer mentions a

Well the trailer mentions a mission in space.

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Well the trailer mentions a mission in space.

Yeah based on just a few seconds worth of the trailer it looks like they are going up into orbit to meet up with some space station/shuttle or some such. I think the pretense is that Jean gets affected by some "cosmic rays" while in orbit which destabilizes her powers and causes all the problems.

I have no clue if that "matches" with the comic books at all, but that seems to be the plot of this movie in a nutshell.

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Well the trailer mentions a mission in space.

Yeah based on just a few seconds worth of the trailer it looks like they are going up into orbit to meet up with some space station/shuttle or some such. I think the pretense is that Jean gets affected by some "cosmic rays" while in orbit which destabilizes her powers and causes all the problems.

I have no clue if that "matches" with the comic books at all, but that seems to be the plot of this movie in a nutshell.

It does a bit, I’d elaborate but I’m afraid information might be spoilers if the movie tries to stick with the comics.

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If the movie sticks to the

If the movie sticks to the comics, I wouldn't consider that spoilers, as the comic story is old.

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If the movie sticks to the comics, I wouldn't consider that spoilers, as the comic story is old.

I almost think that's why most (all?) superhero movies DON'T precisely follow the classic stories they are based on, even if they could.

I know the hard core comic nerds say they want to see 100% identical copies of the stories they've been reading for decades but in reality it's probably better that the movies "reimagine" things if for no other reason than to mitigate the problem of too many people "spoiling" the movies for the people who've never experienced the stories before.

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Lothic wrote:
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If the movie sticks to the comics, I wouldn't consider that spoilers, as the comic story is old.

I almost think that's why most (all?) superhero movies DON'T precisely follow the classic stories they are based on, even if they could.

I know the hard core comic nerds say they want to see 100% identical copies of the stories they've been reading for decades but in reality it's probably better that the movies "reimagine" things if for no other reason than to mitigate the problem of too many people "spoiling" the movies for the people who've never experienced the stories before.

Not just that, but many of those old stories simply didn't age well at all.

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If the movie sticks to the comics, I wouldn't consider that spoilers, as the comic story is old.

I almost think that's why most (all?) superhero movies DON'T precisely follow the classic stories they are based on, even if they could.

I know the hard core comic nerds say they want to see 100% identical copies of the stories they've been reading for decades but in reality it's probably better that the movies "reimagine" things if for no other reason than to mitigate the problem of too many people "spoiling" the movies for the people who've never experienced the stories before.

Not just that, but many of those old stories simply didn't age well at all.

Yeah that's a good point as well. Some stories are fundamental enough to be "timeless" but some simply aren't. Others only work when you update them to account for modern-day references/situations.

Even Shakespeare has been "reimagined" countless times over the centuries, so much so that they typically let actual females play the female roles now. ;)

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Then in that case, from what

Then in that case, from what I remember Jean was on a shuttle craft with the rest of the X-Men. She was protecting them from cosmic rays using her telekinetic powers but it wasn’t strong enough and the rays were killing her. As she was dying she called out to the cosmos telepathically, desperate for help, and was answered by a being called The Phoenix (or Phoenix Force) who would save her life if she agreed to be its host and she agreed, your classic Faustian bargain.

This is mostly from memory, I may have a few details wrong. But the details about a shuttle and cosmic radiation sound close to what I remember from reading those comics many years ago.

Oh, and I’ll add...

JEAN!!!!!!

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Atama wrote:
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Then in that case, from what I remember Jean was on a shuttle craft with the rest of the X-Men. She was protecting them from cosmic rays using her telekinetic powers but it wasn’t strong enough and the rays were killing her. As she was dying she called out to the cosmos telepathically, desperate for help, and was answered by a being called The Phoenix (or Phoenix Force) who would save her life if she agreed to be its host and she agreed, your classic Faustian bargain.

This is mostly from memory, I may have a few details wrong. But the details about a shuttle and cosmic radiation sound close to what I remember from reading those comics many years ago.

Oh, and I’ll add...

JEAN!!!!!!

So I guess the major plot point will be whether this movie needs "The Phoenix" to be some kind of sentient life force or if the situation could just be that the comic rays simply "destabilize" Jean enough to have her lose control of her own powers. For what it's worth there's currently no evidence in any trailer for this movie (or any of the previous movies) that I've seen that suggests they are dealing with a third-party "cosmic life force" in relation to Jean.

It will be a key detail because if everything can be "blamed" on a cosmic life force then Jean can basically be considered an innocent victim here. On the other hand if Jean herself is "losing control" and doing the X-Men equivalent of "going postal" then that would make her involvement more meaningful and relevant to the story.

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My thinking is that it is the

My thinking is that it is the Pheonix Force but it got to her before First Class even, but to the outside, it'll look like going postal.


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So the cast of Dark Phoenix

So the cast of Dark Phoenix attended Wondercon and it appears they provided footage of the first 10 minutes of the film. From what I read, the crowd loved it and equated it to the action packed beginning of Days of Future Past.

This is really exciting as it seemed it was getting bad reviews so I cant wait to watch the movie. I am including the description below, warning SPOILERS!

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The scene begins with the X-Men — Jean Gray (Sophie Turner), Cyclops (Tye Sheridan), Beast (Nicholas Hoult), Storm (Alexandra Shipp), Nightcrawler (Kodi Smit-McPhee), Quicksilver (Evan Peters), and team leader Mystique (Jennifer Lawrence) — embarking on a desperate rescue mission in space. Professor X (James McCoy) is in communication with the team and with NASA as well and reveals the details of the crisis. A disabled shuttle and its crew are in the path of a solar flare, time is short. Mystique crisply directs the team into action — as Beast pilots, Cyclops slides down into a one-man turret on the belly of the Blackbird jet and uses his power blasts to steady the shuttle. Storm uses her power to contain its escaping air. Nightcrawler and Quicksilver teleport to the craft and retrieve the crew. But there’s a problem — one astronaut is still missing.

The solar flare is approaching and Professor X and Mystique debate the wisdom of going back for the remaining astronaut. In the end, a frustrated Mystique relents. Nightcrawler and Jean go aboard the shuttle. Jean uses her power to hold the blistering and disintegrating hull intact while Nightcrawler finds the crewman. The flare hits. Nigtcrawler and the astronaut make it back to the Blackbird but Jean does not. Instead she absorbs the flare in dramatic fashion. The X-Men think she’s dead when they bring Jean back aboard but she is seemingly uninjured. The X-Men are greeted as heroes back on earth by a grateful nation and adoring youngsters with blue face make-up and action figures. Back at the mansion headquarters of the team, Quicksilver boasts about his exploits in space, Beast begins medical tests for Jean and tension simmers between Professor X and Mystique. She ends their terse exchange by pointing out that the men on the team aren’t the one who do most of the risk-taking in the field. “You might want to think about changing the name to X-Women.”

How exciting! what did you guys think? The funny thing about them attending is apparently they had no time for questions...hmm

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The crowd always go wild.

The crowd always go wild.

That's no real incite into if the movie is good or bad.

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The crowd always go wild.

That's no real incite into if the movie is good or bad.

I wouldn't say they always go wild. There are a lot of hardcore fans at these events and there has been a ton of bad feedback from early screenings and all the issues with the movie being pushed back and reshoots. Plus the fact that they wouldnt take any questions, would upset a lot of people. its really a good time for us fans to express our frustrations because you have the writer/producer and actors literally feet away.

But apparently people were impressed so I am definitely excited for this.

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So it appears Disney is

So it appears Disney is hesitant to release anything with the New Mutants movie so they pushed it back another year. I believe it is coming out in April 2020 now instead of this August. Also, they shelved the Channing Tatum Gambit movie...

At least we have Dark Phoenix, even though the last I heard, they changed the climax of the film from space to a train...which is totally a Fox move...

And from what I hear, Kevin Feige said it would be 5-10 years before we see anything X-Men or FF4. It surprises me since Avengers Endgame seemed to conclude in a way. I would think this would be the perfect time to focus on the X-Men team. And who knows if ill even be alive in 5 -10 years! lol

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So it appears Disney is hesitant to release anything with the New Mutants movie so they pushed it back another year. I believe it is coming out in April 2020 now instead of this August. Also, they shelved the Channing Tatum Gambit movie...

At least we have Dark Phoenix, even though the last I heard, they changed the climax of the film from space to a train...which is totally a Fox move...

And from what I hear, Kevin Feige said it would be 5-10 years before we see anything X-Men or FF4. It surprises me since Avengers Endgame seemed to conclude in a way. I would think this would be the perfect time to focus on the X-Men team.

It might actually be for the best that Disney seems to be "pumping the brakes" a bit as far as all these Marvel/X-Men movies go.

Lots of people are currently talking about "superhero movie fatigue" and it might be helpful to give some of these IPs a few years to cool down before they are reimagined, recast and relaunched again. Frankly I'm in no hurry to see yet another Fantastic Four movie for instance.

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And who knows if ill even be alive in 5 -10 years! lol

I often wonder about this in relation to whenever CoT is going to be released. ;)

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Hmm. I mean I don't get

Hmm. I mean I don't get "Superhero movie fatigue" since to me that is just another type of movie. Another genre. Horror has always been around, as well as romcoms, thrillers...etc. So I dont see why people get tired of it. As long as they make good movies, why not keep going? Plus, didnt Endgame already pass 2 billion, and is on track to beat Avatar?

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Hmm. I mean I don't get "Superhero movie fatigue" since to me that is just another type of movie. Another genre. Horror has always been around, as well as romcoms, thrillers...etc. So I dont see why people get tired of it. As long as they make good movies, why not keep going? Plus, didnt Endgame already pass 2 billion, and is on track to beat Avatar?

I didn't "make the rules" so to speak. People have been talking about "superhero movie fatigue" as a thing for a few years now just like some people are getting bored with the latest Star Wars and/or Star Trek movies. People's interests in these things ebb and flow.

Sure Endgame has made stupid amounts of money but it's not like we're going to get an equivalent Endgame-type movie every month from now on. Often Hollywood will pump out genre movies in cycles - wait a few years then release a new crop of movies when a new generation of kids are ready to see a "remake" of something.

It's pretty much the model Disney has been following for decades now in terms of recycling their classic IPs. *shrugs*

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I guess it's just the

I guess it's just the impatient child in me that is overly excited to see what Marvel does with the X-Men property and I just don't want to wait 5 years! *Stomps feet in protest

My other issue is all this talk about a specific theory of how to bring the X-Men in. Something about whatever happened in Endgame caused the mutant gene to awaken and spread worldwide. I really hope they don't do it this way because for starters, the x-men didn't become mutants as adults. Part of the draw to the X-men was that they went through this event when they hit puberty. It was something they had to deal with along with whatever else happens during puberty. And overcoming this, and growing with it. Adapting. I would really hate if they introduce the x-men in a way where they just got infected with this "thing" as adults.

And if they introduce it when the x-men were young, then it may take even longer until we get to a point where they are a well-established band of heroes fighting the big battles.

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I guess it's just the impatient child in me that is overly excited to see what Marvel does with the X-Men property and I just don't want to wait 5 years! *Stomps feet in protest

I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool to get a brand new Marvel movie every week. I'm just saying that sometimes these things take a few years to "churn" before they get recycled.

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My other issue is all this talk about a specific theory of how to bring the X-Men in. Something about whatever happened in Endgame caused the mutant gene to awaken and spread worldwide. I really hope they don't do it this way because for starters, the x-men didn't become mutants as adults. Part of the draw to the X-men was that they went through this event when they hit puberty. It was something they had to deal with along with whatever else happens during puberty. And overcoming this, and growing with it. Adapting. I would really hate if they introduce the x-men in a way where they just got infected with this "thing" as adults.

And if they introduce it when the x-men were young, then it may take even longer until we get to a point where they are a well-established band of heroes fighting the big battles.

Yeah I kind of hope they don't link the "origins" of the new group of X-Men to the events of Endgame.

TBH I really wouldn't mind if they kept things like the X-Men isolated from the Avengers and/or the other major titles. There's really no overwhelming need to merge every, last, single Marvel storyline together into one uber-plotline. I'd be fine with some of these titles remaining in their own little narrative corners.

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Superhero movie fatigue is

Superhero movie fatigue is just people wanting/hoping it will end, because they don't consider them "real" movies.

Notice they never talk about drama fatigue or horror fatigue or whatever fatigue. Not to mention, superhero genre is parts of other genres really, since they can be comedy, drama, horror, action what have you.

As for waiting 5-10 years. Makes sense. They've built up this MCU. That takes planning, they're not going to want to just throw something out there and watch it fail.

Also likely want people to forget the FOX X-Men movies.

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I guess it's just the impatient child in me that is overly excited to see what Marvel does with the X-Men property and I just don't want to wait 5 years! *Stomps feet in protest

My other issue is all this talk about a specific theory of how to bring the X-Men in. Something about whatever happened in Endgame caused the mutant gene to awaken and spread worldwide. I really hope they don't do it this way because for starters, the x-men didn't become mutants as adults. Part of the draw to the X-men was that they went through this event when they hit puberty. It was something they had to deal with along with whatever else happens during puberty. And overcoming this, and growing with it. Adapting. I would really hate if they introduce the x-men in a way where they just got infected with this "thing" as adults.

And if they introduce it when the x-men were young, then it may take even longer until we get to a point where they are a well-established band of heroes fighting the big battles.

One of the YouTubers I watched had the prediction (this was before the movie was out) that Tony would use the Gauntlet and activate the X gene under the premise of "we need more defenders", which also infuses some societal animus for mutants that is kinda critical to their canon, since Stark isn't universally loved.

I'm with Brand X on "superhero movie fatigue", it usually comes from hoity toities that never liked them to get fatigued from liking them.

I was born with Romantic movie fatigue :p


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I guess it's just the impatient child in me that is overly excited to see what Marvel does with the X-Men property and I just don't want to wait 5 years! *Stomps feet in protest

My other issue is all this talk about a specific theory of how to bring the X-Men in. Something about whatever happened in Endgame caused the mutant gene to awaken and spread worldwide. I really hope they don't do it this way because for starters, the x-men didn't become mutants as adults. Part of the draw to the X-men was that they went through this event when they hit puberty. It was something they had to deal with along with whatever else happens during puberty. And overcoming this, and growing with it. Adapting. I would really hate if they introduce the x-men in a way where they just got infected with this "thing" as adults.

And if they introduce it when the x-men were young, then it may take even longer until we get to a point where they are a well-established band of heroes fighting the big battles.

One of the YouTubers I watched had the prediction (this was before the movie was out) that Tony would use the Gauntlet and activate the X gene under the premise of "we need more defenders", which also infuses some societal animus for mutants that is kinda critical to their canon, since Stark isn't universally loved.

I'm with Brand X on "superhero movie fatigue", it usually comes from hoity toities that never liked them to get fatigued from liking them.

I was born with Romantic movie fatigue :p

As interesting as an idea that is, in regards to Tony Stark sparking the x-gene, I dont want it. Maybe im asking too much but I want the x-men and mutation to already be established. Whether they bring them from an alternate reality or come up with some other idea. You just cant have the x-men without the origin of how they became mutants. From Storm being worshipped as a goddess when she was younger because of her control over the weather, to cyclops saving him and his brother from a plane accident with his optic beam. Much of their origin is how they dealt with their powers and how it shaped them.

I will walk out of a Marvel movie if they go in that direction. Just a bunch of regular humans at their day jobs suddenly getting hit by the force of his snap, and wake up the next day with powers. Ive seen it before and I dont buy it.

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They’re already using the

They’re already using the multiverse angle going by the trailers for the next Spider-Man movie. All they would have to do is make the mutants be from a parallel reality that come into the MCU reality.

Heck, that’s sort of what’s happening off-screen anyway. :D

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Not sure how much credence to

Not sure how much credence to put in the multiverse just yet. If Fury's evidence is this Beck guy who says he's Not Of This World, I wouldn't consider it credible testimony. OTOH, there may be nine "new timelines" diverged from the MCU...

But I agree with Wolfgang8565 above; they should keep as much of the mutants' backstories as they can. The MCU(m) will be richer for it.

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I'm kinda peeved they're

I'm kinda peeved they're acting like Mysterio has actual powers. I guess the twist comes late....


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I'm kinda peeved they're acting like Mysterio has actual powers. I guess the twist comes late....

Me too. I’m like, he only does illusions (he was a special effects expert in the comics) so does this mean all those threats are a scam...? It would make sense, he sets himself up to be this big hero for his own gain. Peter figures out that it’s fake, maybe these “monsters” never trigger his Spidey-Sense. He exposes him and now Mysterio becomes a mortal enemy.

I guess we’ll see! Hopefully he’s not “Doctor Strange from another reality” like the previews imply.

Also, we kind of have the multiverse thing now with multiple versions of characters from different timelines in Endgame. (Hopefully that wasn’t too spoilery, and if you haven’t seen the movie by now shame on you!) So even if it’s bogus in Far From Home, the fact that they’re considering it as plausible shows it’s now a “thing” in the MCU. The door has been cracked even if it’s not thrown wide open.

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Yeah but different timelines

Yeah but different timelines is a bit different than alternate universes.


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Yeah but different timelines is a bit different than alternate universes.

Altering a timeline creates an alternate universe. I believe that was even mentioned explicitly in Endgame. This article talks about it:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/9/18537370/avengers-endgame-questions-answered-black-widow-tony-stark-captain-america-how-does-time-travel-work

(Warning: Really do not read that if you haven’t seen Endgame yet.)

Remember how Ant-Man was upset that all the movies he watched that warned about paradoxes from time travel were wrong? Because instead of a paradox it creates an alternate universe.

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Yeah but different timelines is a bit different than alternate universes.

Altering a timeline creates an alternate universe. I believe that was even mentioned explicitly in Endgame. This article talks about it:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/9/18537370/avengers-endgame-questions-answered-black-widow-tony-stark-captain-america-how-does-time-travel-work

(Warning: Really do not read that if you haven’t seen Endgame yet.)

Remember how Ant-Man was upset that all the movies he watched that warned about paradoxes from time travel were wrong? Because instead of a paradox it creates an alternate universe.

*** More Endgame Spoilers ***

I thought all their talk about "time travel movies" was rather 4th-wall-breaky-Deadpoolish of them. It was funny.

Ultimately I enjoyed the irony that the entire universe was saved by a rat crawling across a control panel... Without the rat Ant-Man would not have been released from the Quantum Realm to get back to the rest of the Avengers to convince them to get off their collective asses in the first place. ;)

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Didn't seem 4th wall breaking

Didn't seem 4th wall breaking to me. Seemed a comical way to tell the audience how time travel works, while listing off the only known ways Scott and Rhodey and most people would know about time travel, since neither one of them are scientists. Rhodey's an officer, I'm sure he has a degree, seeing as how he's also a pilot, my guess is it's in something military or mechanic related. Scott has a Masters in Mechanical Engineering. He may have picked a little something up along the way, but not enough to grasp it, like Tony would.

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Didn't seem 4th wall breaking to me. Seemed a comical way to tell the audience how time travel works, while listing off the only known ways Scott and Rhodey and most people would know about time travel, since neither one of them are scientists. Rhodey's an officer, I'm sure he has a degree, seeing as how he's also a pilot, my guess is it's in something military or mechanic related. Scott has a Masters in Mechanical Engineering. He may have picked a little something up along the way, but not enough to grasp it, like Tony would.

It was 4th-wall-breaking from the point of view that in a world where superheroes like the Avengers are "real" how likely would it be for those exact same movies they mentioned to exist? Or to put it another way, those movies (at the very least) probably wouldn't be considered "science fiction" considering all the crazy crap that -actually- exists in their world. ;)

Basically Endgame used those movie references to help the "audience" (i.e. us) understand what was going on in the movie. All things being equal those movies would probably NOT exist in the Endgame universe.

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Heh, I like that humor. I

Heh, I like that humor. I remember when on an early episode of Stargate: SG-1, Carter made a comment about “MacGyvering” a solution and O’Neil just gave her a look.

In that universe did Colonel O’Neil just happen to be a dead ringer for the actor Richard Dean Anderson who starred on the TV show MacGyver? If that show existed in that world, wouldn’t somebody bring up how uncanny the resemblance was?

I just shut off my brain and laugh. Why ruin it by thinking?

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Heh, I like that humor. I remember when on an early episode of Stargate: SG-1, Carter made a comment about “MacGyvering” a solution and O’Neil just gave her a look.

In that universe did Colonel O’Neil just happen to be a dead ringer for the actor Richard Dean Anderson who starred on the TV show MacGyver? If that show existed in that world, wouldn’t somebody bring up how uncanny the resemblance was?

I just shut off my brain and laugh. Why ruin it by thinking?

Well that kind of "crossover reference humor" is usually always awesome assuming you're aware of all the various references involved. That's why the following scene still remains one of the most famous show finales in TV history:

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Didn't seem 4th wall breaking to me. Seemed a comical way to tell the audience how time travel works, while listing off the only known ways Scott and Rhodey and most people would know about time travel, since neither one of them are scientists. Rhodey's an officer, I'm sure he has a degree, seeing as how he's also a pilot, my guess is it's in something military or mechanic related. Scott has a Masters in Mechanical Engineering. He may have picked a little something up along the way, but not enough to grasp it, like Tony would.

It was 4th-wall-breaking from the point of view that in a world where superheroes like the Avengers are "real" how likely would it be for those exact same movies they mentioned to exist? Or to put it another way, those movies (at the very least) probably wouldn't be considered "science fiction" considering all the crazy crap that -actually- exists in their world. ;)

Basically Endgame used those movie references to help the "audience" (i.e. us) understand what was going on in the movie. All things being equal those movies would probably NOT exist in the Endgame universe.

Seeing as how those heroes didn't come about until 2008, with a few exceptions who were forgotten and/or thought to be legends/myth. Pretty likely.

Captain America? I don't think him existing would've stopped those movies and Hydra seems to be more covered up/myth of the Nazi regime for the masses of people, at least until much later. Captain Marvel none of the world knew about really, except some top secret organization.

There was an Incredible Hulk before Iron Man really, but Hulk was another thing kept under wraps, a thing for the tabloids.

So I can totally see those movies coming about in the MCU.

Back To The Future was 80's. People had forgotten about Captain America or at the very least he didn't come off as to far out there to stop such movies to come about. And thinking back to the scene, I can't think of one movie they mentioned that was from 2008 and beyond, and even then, Iron Man was still just a man in a high tech suit, with no alien invasion yet.

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Atama wrote:
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Heh, I like that humor. I remember when on an early episode of Stargate: SG-1, Carter made a comment about “MacGyvering” a solution and O’Neil just gave her a look.

In that universe did Colonel O’Neil just happen to be a dead ringer for the actor Richard Dean Anderson who starred on the TV show MacGyver? If that show existed in that world, wouldn’t somebody bring up how uncanny the resemblance was?

I just shut off my brain and laugh. Why ruin it by thinking?

Well, they did do that with Julia Roberts character in Ocean's 12.

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Didn't seem 4th wall breaking to me. Seemed a comical way to tell the audience how time travel works, while listing off the only known ways Scott and Rhodey and most people would know about time travel, since neither one of them are scientists. Rhodey's an officer, I'm sure he has a degree, seeing as how he's also a pilot, my guess is it's in something military or mechanic related. Scott has a Masters in Mechanical Engineering. He may have picked a little something up along the way, but not enough to grasp it, like Tony would.

It was 4th-wall-breaking from the point of view that in a world where superheroes like the Avengers are "real" how likely would it be for those exact same movies they mentioned to exist? Or to put it another way, those movies (at the very least) probably wouldn't be considered "science fiction" considering all the crazy crap that -actually- exists in their world. ;)

Basically Endgame used those movie references to help the "audience" (i.e. us) understand what was going on in the movie. All things being equal those movies would probably NOT exist in the Endgame universe.

When those movies were about time travel, and time travel (other than the 60 seconds per minute into the future that all of us do) hadn't happened yet? I think it likely. The only thing that brings it into question would be butterfly effects, and considering how many titles I recognized in the 1995 Blockbusters store, not to mention a cameo being prepared for a movie that hadn't been finished yet, it would seem that butterfly effects were minimal up until at least 1995.

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Oh crap, Foradain is caught in a time loop!!!

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DInah, just an intermittent

Nah, just an intermittent connection. Deleting the extraneous post.... ^_^

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Nah, just an intermittent connection. Deleting the extraneous post.... ^_^

It was kind of funny based on the subject you're talking about. It did almost look like it was on purpose as part of the point you were making. At least you could "blame" it on that. ;)

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Happy X-Men Day!

Happy X-Men Day!

What Is Happening on X-Men Day:

Tickets went on sale for Dark Phoenix
20th Century Fox released a video commemorating the X-Men movie legacy
New specialty posters have been released
Comic book stores are holding special events at select locations in the United States
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Not sure if anyone here has a

Not sure if anyone here has a Nintendo Switch but Nintendo just announced Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3: The Black Order coming out July 19.

Here is the X-Men trailer for it:

I don't personally have a Nintendo Switch but I do recall playing MUA back in the day and it was definitely one of the most fun co-op games. Either way I think this is a good thing, starting to see X-Men in the video game world again is very promising.

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Less than two weeks away from the last X-Men movie from Fox and maybe a while before we see what Marvel does with the team.

I came across this poster for China's "Dark Phoenix" release. Looks pretty badass!

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That's a pretty amazing image

That's a pretty amazing image just as a standalone piece of art. It's interesting how they chose to merge a traditional Asian style into a movie poster for a movie that will obviously not technically "look" like that at all.

It's a good take on what Jean Grey might have looked like if she had originated as a mythical Asian character instead of something created in a 20th century American comic book. I also think they did a pretty good job "approximating" what Sophie Turner the actress might look like as a character from traditional Asian artwork. All-in-all very cool. :)

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Less than two weeks away from the last X-Men movie from Fox and maybe a while before we see what Marvel does with the team.

I came across this poster for China's "Dark Phoenix" release. Looks pretty badass!

Pretty sure that's cultural appropriation, but it's very pretty :p


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I dont think so. She wasnt

I dont think so. She wasnt made to look asian. She is just being interpreted in a traditional chinese art style.

Plus, the phoenix is multicultural. An excerpt from one of the articles promoting this:" The mutant is also joined by a Fenghuang, a mythical bird found in East Asian mythology that is typically referred to as the "Chinese Phoenix" in the West"

These films are really popular in China so im not surprised marketing needs to be catered to those different countries.

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That would be an awesome framed print without the writing.

Or tattoo.

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Pretty sure that's cultural appropriation, but it's very pretty :p

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I dont think so. She wasnt made to look asian. She is just being interpreted in a traditional chinese art style.

I'm reasonably sure DesViper was semi-joking about the "cultural appropriation" bit, but it's an interesting idea to consider just as a hypothetical.

Had this poster been made primarily made for the US market then I might almost entertain the idea of cultural appropriation, at least for the sake of the hypothetical. In that case it would be somebody trying to make use of a traditional "Asian style" of artwork in a non-Asian place. The fact that this Asian styled poster was specifically targeted and released to the Asian market makes this particular claim of cultural appropriation kind of moot.

I suppose you could try to make the even more contorted reverse claim of someone trying to "appropriate" a Caucasian English actress into a reproduction of traditional Asian artwork (where you don't normally find depictions of Caucasian English actresses) but I'd think your various trigger warnings would have to be set to a razors-edge to seriously try to defend that position. ;)

Either way I see this more of an interesting example of playing "What If" with an established comic book character. This X-Men poster answers the question of what Jean Grey might look like if she was based in ancient Chinese mythology in the same way the examples of "Amazonia Wonder Woman" answers the question of what Wonder Woman might look like in a 19th century Steampunk-esque setting:

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That would be an awesome framed print without the writing.

I'm actually considering that assuming I can find a decent quality one at a reasonable price. They'd be stupid -not- to sell prints of this work.

As far as the writing goes I could have it either way. Of course not knowing how to read Mandarin for all we know the poster might say "silly redheaded white girl" instead of "Dark Phoenix". ;)

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Or tattoo.

I'm sure there are people who've already done that or are at least planning to. People need a way to cover up their "Team Dany" tats ever since she proved to be the "genocidal Mad Queen" in Game of Thrones...

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lmao "silly red haired white

lmao "silly red haired white girl"...

I would also buy the print, and if they dont sell it without the text I really wouldnt mind... Its not like its covering up the main art

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I'm sure there are people who've already done that or are at least planning to. People need a way to cover up their "Team Dany" tats ever since she proved to be the "genocidal Mad Queen" in Game of Thrones...

So they plan on covering up the "genocidal Mad Queen" with a character who, in the comics, depopulated several worlds of the Shiar Empire...

If we set the metric unit of beauty at one Helen, which would launch 1000 bronze age galleys and burn one bronze age city to the ground, then Dark Phoenix is outshining Dany by far.

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Foradain wrote:
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I'm sure there are people who've already done that or are at least planning to. People need a way to cover up their "Team Dany" tats ever since she proved to be the "genocidal Mad Queen" in Game of Thrones...

So they plan on covering up the "genocidal Mad Queen" with a character who, in the comics, depopulated several worlds of the Shiar Empire...

If we set the metric unit of beauty at one Helen, which would launch 1000 bronze age galleys and burn one bronze age city to the ground, then Dark Phoenix is outshining Dany by far.

At least the comics established the Jean Grey character as a "destroyer of worlds" decades ago so no one who should know better ought to be "surprised" by it. On the other hand people are still getting their snowflake panties in a twist over GoT's "innocent little Dany" even though I contend there were signs she was predestined (one way or another) to "burn them all" as far back as season one. ;)

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That would be an awesome framed print without the writing.

I'm actually considering that assuming I can find a decent quality one at a reasonable price. They'd be stupid -not- to sell prints of this work.

As far as the writing goes I could have it either way. Of course not knowing how to read Mandarin for all we know the poster might say "silly redheaded white girl" instead of "Dark Phoenix". ;)

I can read enough Kanji (what Chinese writing is called in Japanese) that I assure you it doesn’t. :)

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That would be an awesome framed print without the writing.

I'm actually considering that assuming I can find a decent quality one at a reasonable price. They'd be stupid -not- to sell prints of this work.

As far as the writing goes I could have it either way. Of course not knowing how to read Mandarin for all we know the poster might say "silly redheaded white girl" instead of "Dark Phoenix". ;)

I can read enough Kanji (what Chinese writing is called in Japanese) that I assure you it doesn’t. :)

To be perfectly clear I never seriously figured the writing on this poster literally translated to "silly redheaded white girl" or anything obviously dumb like that. As we all know the news of something like that would become instantaneous click-bait on the intertubes.

I was mostly making an indirect reference to the classic joke of some trusting American getting a tattoo of some Chinese character that they think means something cool like "strength" or "beauty" when it really translates to something like "idiot" or "dumbass". ;)

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People need a way to cover up their "Team Dany" tats ever since she proved to be the "genocidal Mad Queen" in Game of Thrones...

Not having seen the show, all I might suggest for people who 'misidentified' Daenerys is that they learn to read, since her character was well framed in the books.

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People need a way to cover up their "Team Dany" tats ever since she proved to be the "genocidal Mad Queen" in Game of Thrones...

Not having seen the show, all I might suggest for people who 'misidentified' Daenerys is that they learn to read, since her character was well framed in the books.

Reeed? What is this 'reeed' you speak of? Most people today barely have enough patience to read tweets much less thousand page novels. ;)

But to be a bit more serious the TV show actually tracked very closely to the books for at least the first 5 or 6 seasons (until it flew past where Martin has currently left the story) and I can assure you there were plenty of hints sprinkled throughout the entire series that Dany was not exactly destined to be a "kind and merciful" ruler to everyone.

Clearly the more powerful she became the more consumed by her own sense of absolute infallibility and inevitability about bringing her version of "justice" to the entire world. Sure she might have had optimistically good intentions at the beginning but she was going to end up "breaking your wheel" whether you wanted your particular "wheel" broken or not. She was always basically a "fantasy genre" version of Anakin Skywalker bringing "order" to her new world-wide empire.

Still, I feel sorry for those people out there who named their little real world angels some version of "Dany" or "Khaleesi" thinking that she was going to be the eventual "happy shiny" savior of the story...

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She’s a Targaryen. That’s all you need to know.

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Who else is looking forward to X-Men: Dark Phoenix?! I already got my tickets! 2 Days 12 Hours left!

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I know she can't act her way out of a wet paper bag but she's going to look awesome trying her best. ;)


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The closer it gets, the more

The closer it gets, the more nervous I get about how good the movie is. I cant say im surprised, but Rotten Tomates so far has a low rating.. One reviewer said its not has good as Logan, or X2 but its better than Apocalypse! Which sadly, makes me happy. That movie was terrible.

I wouldve liked a better send off for these beloved characters, but Ill still save my opinions until Ive seen it.

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The closer it gets, the more nervous I get about how good the movie is. I cant say im surprised, but Rotten Tomates so far has a low rating.. One reviewer said its not has good as Logan, or X2 but its better than Apocalypse! Which sadly, makes me happy. That movie was terrible.

I wouldve liked a better send off for these beloved characters, but Ill still save my opinions until Ive seen it.

Well not every X-Men movie can be the "best" X-Men movie. Some of them have to be better than others. Regardless I've never really seen a "horrible" X-Men movie yet. Sure I liked some of them better than others but even the arguably "bad" ones were still entertaining.

I'm honestly not really worried about this new movie. Even if it's somehow completely terrible (unlikely) at least we'll get to see Sophie Turner prance around on the big screen for two hours. ;)

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So you're looking forward to

So you're looking forward to watching Sophie Turner prance around for two hours but at the same time you think she cant act her way out of a wet paper bag?

Hmmm, Interesting! :P

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So you're looking forward to watching Sophie Turner prance around for two hours but at the same time you think she cant act her way out of a wet paper bag?

Hmmm, Interesting! :P

You know as well as I do that people often end up in movies for reasons -not- primarily based on their perfect acting ability. For instance do you think they hired Arnold Schwarzenegger for the Conan movies primarily for his well known acting abilities? In the first Conan movie Arnold only said like 30 words total. ;)

To be fair I don't actually think Sophie Turner is the "world's worse actress". But let's face it, she'll never be compared to a Meryl Streep or even a Jennifer Lawrence. At least she miles beyond the Kristen Stewart or Megan Fox level so there's that.

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So you're looking forward to watching Sophie Turner prance around for two hours but at the same time you think she cant act her way out of a wet paper bag?

Hmmm, Interesting! :P

Just got back from seeing the movie...

All I'll say is at least Sophie Turner looked good prancing around on the big screen for two hours...

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So you're looking forward to watching Sophie Turner prance around for two hours but at the same time you think she cant act her way out of a wet paper bag?

Hmmm, Interesting! :P

Dang you saw it before me lol. I'm going Saturday. I've heard it's not so good so I don't have my hopes up. Can I ask this,... Did storm do ok in this movie? No spoilers though! Lol

Just got back from seeing the movie...

All I'll say is at least Sophie Turner looked good prancing around on the big screen for two hours...

Messed up the quoting on my phone sorry but you get it lol

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So you're looking forward to watching Sophie Turner prance around for two hours but at the same time you think she cant act her way out of a wet paper bag?

Hmmm, Interesting! :P

Just got back from seeing the movie...

All I'll say is at least Sophie Turner looked good prancing around on the big screen for two hours...

Dang you saw it before me lol. I'm going Saturday. I've heard it's not so good so I don't have my hopes up. Can I ask this,... Did storm do ok in this movie? No spoilers though! Lol

No spoilers but in my personal opinion this was not the best X-Men movie so far and I'll leave it at that. It's certainly worth seeing but like I said before not every X-Men movie can be the "best" X-Men movie.

As far as Storm goes she had a few good fight scenes and there were other characters that ended up "worse off" than she did so I guess you can count that as "OK". Frankly the actress playing her in these latest movies is 100x better than Halle Berry's version, but again that's just my opinion as well. :)

*** Slight spoiler alert ***

As a bonus they showed Halston Sage as Dazzler for about 10 seconds... that was nice. ;)

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Lothic wrote:
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So you're looking forward to watching Sophie Turner prance around for two hours but at the same time you think she cant act her way out of a wet paper bag?

Hmmm, Interesting! :P

Just got back from seeing the movie...

All I'll say is at least Sophie Turner looked good prancing around on the big screen for two hours...

Dang you saw it before me lol. I'm going Saturday. I've heard it's not so good so I don't have my hopes up. Can I ask this,... Did storm do ok in this movie? No spoilers though! Lol

No spoilers but in my personal opinion this was not the best X-Men movie so far and I'll leave it at that. It's certainly worth seeing but like I said before not every X-Men movie can be the "best" X-Men movie.

As far as Storm goes she had a few good fight scenes and there were other characters that ended up "worse off" than she did so I guess you can count that as "OK". Frankly the actress playing her in these latest movies is 100x better than Halle Berry's version, but again that's just my opinion as well. :)

*** Slight spoiler alert ***

As a bonus they showed Halston Sage as Dazzler for about 10 seconds... that was nice. ;)

Yeah, I actually saw it in a music video that had a lot of scenes not shown in trailers and clips including that Dazzler one.

And thanks, I dont likie getting my hopes up too much but im still excited to see it.

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What a disappointment...

What a disappointment...

Why is it so hard to make a damn good movie? I read an article that the execs had a meeting after Apocalypse to figure out what went wrong, and what came out of the meeting was, "we need to make the next movie more grounded, less flashy"

Wth? If they had read reviews, watched youtube, they would know why we keep getting disappointed with their movies. Years waiting for this crappy movie...Maybe 5 min of it was good, the rest was almost boring. Not even going to get into the details of what I hated about it but I think what makes this even more frustrating is that Marvel has no plans for the x-men and frankly they barely seem excited to have them back so I know I cant expect another x-men movie for at least 5 years...

sigh

I need to be a fan of something else...

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OMG 24% rotten tomatoes?!

OMG 24% rotten tomatoes?!


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OMG 24% rotten tomatoes?!

Ive updated the title to 24%...still terrible lol

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Half of apocalypse's rating,

Half of apocalypse's rating, which was atrocious....oh boy


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