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Official X-Men Thread (The future of marvels mutants)

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what makes this even more frustrating is that Marvel has no plans for the x-men and frankly they barely seem excited to have them back so I know I cant expect another x-men movie for at least 5 years...

I think it is reasonable for Marvel to have no plans at the moment. Behind the scenes do they? Probably. But consider Marvel is into 'phases' and they already had the next 5 years planned out when the acquisition happened. They seem to have the long game in mind. In 5 years spiderman, Strange, Guardians may be long in the tooth. Maybe some of the other properties will flop. Maybe the actors will want a lot more $ or maybe they will be bored with the roles. It may seem bad for the MCU at that point in time, but the X-men by then will be 'fresh' and primed for a reboot in Marvel style to keep the MCU going for another decade in the 'mutant' phase.

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what makes this even more frustrating is that Marvel has no plans for the x-men and frankly they barely seem excited to have them back so I know I cant expect another x-men movie for at least 5 years...

I think it is reasonable for Marvel to have no plans at the moment. Behind the scenes do they? Probably. But consider Marvel is into 'phases' and they already had the next 5 years planned out when the acquisition happened. They seem to have the long game in mind. In 5 years spiderman, Strange, Guardians may be long in the tooth. Maybe some of the other properties will flop. Maybe the actors will want a lot more $ or maybe they will be bored with the roles. It may seem bad for the MCU at that point in time, but the X-men by then will be 'fresh' and primed for a reboot in Marvel style to keep the MCU going for another decade in the 'mutant' phase.

Yeah I know you're right and that makes sense if they already had plans. I just think xmen would be more important, more popular than some of the other movies they are working on like nova and eternals. If thought they'd be like, ok we have them so let's scrap some of these movies like black widow or eternals and make xmen movies... Idk I guess the other thing you mentioned about needed some time to refresh makes sense especially after this horrible dark phoenix

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I think the most telling

I think the most telling reaction to the new film is that my local cinema had cut Endgame showings down to just a single 3pm slot to make room for Dark Phoenix, and now after a week Endgame is showing at multiple times in the evening again.

Spurn all ye kindle.

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I was very surprised when I

I was very surprised when I was able to get two good seats the hour it came out, and half the theater was empty, I'm not surprised anymore lol

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I look forward to seeing this

I look forward to seeing this movie!

...Probably on FX, playing in the background, when I’m trying to vacuum the living room.

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I look forward to seeing this movie!

...Probably on FX, playing in the background, when I’m trying to vacuum the living room.

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I look forward to seeing this movie!

...Probably on FX, playing in the background, when I’m trying to vacuum the living room.

And doing laundry during commercials

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Lockheed FTW!

Lockheed FTW!

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Lockheed FTW!

I didn't see this Lockheed:

Or even his sidekick Kitty Pryde, in the Dark Phoenix movie. :(

But they should get one. ^_^

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The jet they fly is based in

The jet they fly is based in the SR71, developed by Lockheed.

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The jet they fly is based in the SR71, developed by Lockheed.

Which is where (via a fairy tale told by fourteen year old Kitty to seven year old Illyana Nickoleivna Rasputina (sister of Colossus ^_^)) Lockheed the shoulder dragon got his name.

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Exciting news!

Exciting news!

Dawn of X initiative announced to put the X-Men on top.






Oh, and the first part of Phase 4 was announced today. No X-Men... yet. At the end, Feige stated them and the Fantastic Four are coming, very clearly hyping people for what's to come. It looks like he's just as excited as us.

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Okay, from the top:

Okay, from the top:
X-Men: Corsair + Cyclops and Havoc + Cable = 3 generations of Summers boys?
EXcalibur: No British heroes that I recognize... but then I don't recognize the two between Jubilation Lee and Rogue.
Marauders: Stealing the bad guys name! Also, did those blades Kitty has belong to Kurt?
New Mutants: Two guys I don't recognize; anyone know if Dani Moonstar is still a Valkyrie?
Fallen Angels: If that was Cable up in X-Men, who's this younger version with Betsy and Laura?
X-Force: The two on the left (behind Hank and Jean) and the one on the right, with the names all over his t-shirt and the flair, behind Domino's arm, are new to me.

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Oh yeah, I should mention.

Oh yeah, I should mention. Betsy got her body back, which was very controversial for a variety of reasons I don't care to get into right now. All in all, Caucasian Psylocke just didn't take. Marvel caught on to this, and while Betsy is still white, she's no longer Psylocke. She's now the new Captain Britain, while her original identity of Psylocke is now taken by Kwannon who she swapped bodies with and spent many years as Psylocke.

God, I love comics.

Anyways, to answer some other questions:

- It appear Dani Moonstar is Mirage and thus a mutant again.
- The younger version you see in Fallen Angels is Kid Cable.
- Those two are Black Tom and Kid Omega.

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- The younger version you see in Fallen Angels is Kid Cable.

X-Man 2.0?

I actually enjoyed the original Nate Grey X-Man run, but I am surprised that they have what's clearly another version of it after all these years.

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I wish I followed the comics

I wish I followed the comics more. It would make up for the lack of xmen on the big screen.(trying to forget dark phoenix). I'm disappointed the xmen are on the back burner with marvel. It seemed they were so desperate to get them back. But I'm still excited to see them popping up more. For example, the news about a storm, Phoenix, mystique barbie.. Lol I don't know if I'd get barbies but I'm tempted. I'd post a Pic of them but I'm on my phone.

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I wish I followed the comics more. It would make up for the lack of xmen on the big screen.(trying to forget dark phoenix). I'm disappointed the xmen are on the back burner with marvel. It seemed they were so desperate to get them back. But I'm still excited to see them popping up more. For example, the news about a storm, Phoenix, mystique barbie.. Lol I don't know if I'd get barbies but I'm tempted. I'd post a Pic of them but I'm on my phone.

Actually everything indicates they aren't on the backburner. Dawn of X is said to be a "reboot" that's still in-continuity with Marvel, and will revitalize them in the comics. They were downplayed before yes, but that was due to film rights. Now that has been solved, Feige hyped up their coming to the MCU at SDCC. He even used the word "Mutants" rather than just "X-Men", which many have taken to mean that multiple X-movies are in development. That makes perfect sense, because X-Men as a brand is so large that you either go big or go home.

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Oh yeah, I should mention. Betsy got her body back, which was very controversial for a variety of reasons I don't care to get into right now. All in all, Caucasian Psylocke just didn't take. Marvel caught on to this, and while Betsy is still white, she's no longer Psylocke. She's now the new Captain Britain, while her original identity of Psylocke is now taken by Kwannon who she swapped bodies with and spent many years as Psylocke.

God, I love comics.

Anyways, to answer some other questions:

- It appear Dani Moonstar is Mirage and thus a mutant again.
- The younger version you see in Fallen Angels is Kid Cable.
- Those two are Black Tom and Kid Omega.

Dani Moonstar was a mutant called Mirage when she was accepted by the Valkyrior; didn't change her powers but she got a cool flying horse.
So, a younger version of Cable from not as far into the dystopian future.
And since the kid on the right has an Omega symbol, and I know of Black Tom (Cassidy) as Banshee's brother, I presume that makes then the far right and far left, respectively. What about the woman with dark hair, whose face is between that of Black Tom and Jean Grey?

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I wish I followed the comics more. It would make up for the lack of xmen on the big screen.(trying to forget dark phoenix). I'm disappointed the xmen are on the back burner with marvel. It seemed they were so desperate to get them back. But I'm still excited to see them popping up more. For example, the news about a storm, Phoenix, mystique barbie.. Lol I don't know if I'd get barbies but I'm tempted. I'd post a Pic of them but I'm on my phone.

Actually everything indicates they aren't on the backburner. Dawn of X is said to be a "reboot" that's still in-continuity with Marvel, and will revitalize them in the comics. They were downplayed before yes, but that was due to film rights. Now that has been solved, Feige hyped up their coming to the MCU at SDCC. He even used the word "Mutants" rather than just "X-Men", which many have taken to mean that multiple X-movies are in development. That makes perfect sense, because X-Men as a brand is so large that you either go big or go home.

It was more of when they first asked Feige about the X-Men and he brushed it off like, "oh, nothing in the works right now" type of quote. He just didnt seem excited, or eager to work on anything for us fans, or even that he would bring them into the avengers world. Its certainly not a great way to welcome all of us X-fans. Maybe its his way of hiding info, but I have yet to see a solid quote from him that hes excited to have them back, and eager to start working on ways to bring them in and do them justice and that he wont disappoint us.

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That’s definitely Black Tom.

That’s definitely Black Tom.

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Oh yeah, I should mention. Betsy got her body back, which was very controversial for a variety of reasons I don't care to get into right now. All in all, Caucasian Psylocke just didn't take. Marvel caught on to this, and while Betsy is still white, she's no longer Psylocke. She's now the new Captain Britain, while her original identity of Psylocke is now taken by Kwannon who she swapped bodies with and spent many years as Psylocke.

God, I love comics.

Anyways, to answer some other questions:

- It appear Dani Moonstar is Mirage and thus a mutant again.
- The younger version you see in Fallen Angels is Kid Cable.
- Those two are Black Tom and Kid Omega.

Dani Moonstar was a mutant called Mirage when she was accepted by the Valkyrior; didn't change her powers but she got a cool flying horse.
So, a younger version of Cable from not as far into the dystopian future.
And since the kid on the right has an Omega symbol, and I know of Black Tom (Cassidy) as Banshee's brother, I presume that makes then the far right and far left, respectively. What about the woman with dark hair, whose face is between that of Black Tom and Jean Grey?

My bad. I'm not particularly versed with Dani Moonstar.

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So, that leaves one guy

So, that leaves one guy unidentified in the EXcalibur cover, between Betsy and Rogue, two of the New Mutants (one looks like an earth elemental, and the other's head is wreathed in flame), and the woman on the left side of the X-Force cover, with her black hair up in a bun, behind Jean and in front of Hank and Tom.

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So, that leaves one guy unidentified in the EXcalibur cover, between Betsy and Rogue, two of the New Mutants (one looks like an earth elemental, and the other's head is wreathed in flame), and the woman on the left side of the X-Force cover, with her black hair up in a bun, behind Jean and in front of Hank and Tom.

The two new members of the New Mutants are Chamber and Mondo, and the woman on X-Force you're referring to is Sage. I think the guy on Excalibur is Rictor.

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House of X is out now, and

House of X is out now, and boy they weren't kidding when they said it would be different and change up the status quo.

What do you guys think?

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Its official! Storm is

Its official! Storm is considered an OMEGA level mutant! List was released by Marvel.

Cant post link right now but feel free to Google it!

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Fortunately, TVTropes has the

Fortunately, TVTropes has the list.

Jamie Braddock/Monarch — Reality Manipulation (Quantum)
Robert Drake/Iceman — Temperature Manipulation (Negative)
Joshua Foley/Elixir — Biokinesis
Jean Grey/Marvel Girl — Telepathy
David Haller/Legion — Power Manifestation
Erik Lehnsherr/Magneto — Magnetism
Kevin MacTaggert/Proteus — Reality Manipulation (Psionic)
Absolon Mercator/Mister M — Matter Manipulation
Ororo Monroe/Storm — Weather Manipulation
Bennet du Paris/Exodus — Telekinesis
Quentin Quire/Kid Omega — Telepathy
Franklin Richards/Powerhouse — Reality Manipulation (Universal)
Gabriel Summers/Vulcan — Energy Manipulation
Hope Summers — Power Manipulation

The chart also gives us a solid definition of what an Omega-level mutant is. Before, it was a vague term meaning "powerful mutant" and was used inconsistently. Example: Psylocke was once called Omega-level, while Magneto was Alpha-level. Psylocke isn't even as powerful as Spider-Man, much less Magneto and that's not even the only comparison I could make.

The definition is someone who's the utmost top-tier of their ability, and cannot be surpassed in that ability. It uses two examples to illustrate this: Magneto and Forge. While both are the top-tier of their powers (magnetism and technopathy), Magneto is Omega while Forge isn't, because Magneto's magnetism cannot be surpassed while Forge can, and has, by non-mutants like Reed Richards and Tony Stark.

So there you go. Honestly, I'm already really liking this run. It's instantly between than Uncanny X-Men 2018, and we're just getting started. That bit of world-building right there is something I appreciate.

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Jamie is considered a mutant,

Jamie is considered a mutant, now? Interesting. I knew his twin sister was, but fraternal twins don't have the same genotype, so...

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By that definition Hybrid, I

By that definition Hybrid, I am curious to think, couldnt Storm surpass Iceman in terms of ice control? Or the other way around? I guess Storm could not because she cannot turn into ice, and Iceman cannot surpass her in the sense that he cannot summon lightning and other weather phenomena..

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Jamie is considered a mutant, now? Interesting. I knew his twin sister was, but fraternal twins don't have the same genotype, so...

No, you're thinking of the wrong guy. Brian Braddock is Betsy's twin, and he's not a mutant. Jamie Braddock, the older sibling to both, is.

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By that definition Hybrid, I am curious to think, couldnt Storm surpass Iceman in terms of ice control? Or the other way around? I guess Storm could not because she cannot turn into ice, and Iceman cannot surpass her in the sense that he cannot summon lightning and other weather phenomena..

Storm cannot be surpassed in terms of weather manipulation, but can't surpass Iceman in cold manipulation. Iceman's specialty is specifically that, as he can do things like absorb large bodies of water to grow stronger, absorb the fluids of someone to kill them, teleport himself large distances via traveling through water vapor, and become an organic ice form (not just ice armor), just to name a few things. Those are things that Storm certainly can't do. Though to be fair, her weather manipulation allows her to do things Iceman wouldn't able to do either. So yeah, I can see how that works. Storm is a jack of all trades, but Iceman is a specialist.

Also, here's a funny fact:

Back in the sixties, the official power ranking order of the O5 X-Men were Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Iceman and Marvel Girl. Fast-forward to the present, and guess which two are the Omega-level mutants?

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Also, are these limits

Also, are these limits theoretical or observed? If theoretical, then there is reason to believe that (for instance) Magneto's power will never be surpassed, or at east not by a significant amount. But if they are only observed limits, then they only describe what is known about current mutants, and each new generation will bring the potential to rewrite portions or even all of this list.

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Jamie is considered a mutant, now? Interesting. I knew his twin sister was, but fraternal twins don't have the same genotype, so...

No, you're thinking of the wrong guy. Brian Braddock is Betsy's twin, and he's not a mutant. Jamie Braddock, the older sibling to both, is.

Ah, that's right. I sit corrected. ^_^

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Just how overpowered is Betsy

Just how overpowered is Betsy Braddock as Captain Britain going to be?

We all know that Betsy will become the new Captain Britain in the upcoming Excalibur series. What's also interesting is that she's not just taking the name, but it's confirmed that she's getting the Amulet of Right aka the thing that first powered her brother Brian. She's also shown to retain her mutant powers.

If this sounds right: she'll be a Superman-esque powerhouse with advanced telekinesis and telepathy abilities that few can match. In fact, I think it's entirely possible that the empowerment won't just affect her physical abilities, but her already potent innate powers could theoretically receive a massive boost as well, but we don't know if they'll go that route.

I'm not particularly versed with Captain Britain, but I know from what I have seen that he's very OP even without Betsy's additional abilities. He can lift an incredible amount of weight (such as when he landed a 600 ton jumbo jet by himself and that's not an isolated instance of his strength), fly at superhuman speeds (catching up to people hours away in mere minutes), no-sell attacks that would decimate other strong people (not even phased by Pete Wisdom stabbing him with a hot knife with the temperature of the sun), and can manipulate a powerful forcefield to his advantage (when just being nigh-invulnerable isn't enough). I know that his power is based on confidence (I guess similar to the Hulk with anger?), and at his most confident he's even more OP. He once held back the Phoenix, something not even Thor has been able to do.

Now keep in mind that Betsy, without the above augmentation, is still the third most powerful telepath in the world, can create powerful forcefields, psionic weapons, read minds, control minds, and use a variety of special TK-based abilities. I didn't list everything, because she has a lot. Her biggest weakness was no super strength or inherent durability, and that's no longer a problem.

Now, she has the above physical powers, and the mental powers that could receive a boost from becoming Captain Britain. I mean, Brian was OP enough as it is, and he doesn't have any innate mutant powers.

Damn. Betsy has suddenly became one of the scariest people in the Marvel Universe.

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Hello! There's been a lot of

Hello! There's been a lot of silence as far as the X-Men go in the MCU (movie-wise) but Im happy to see them coming up in different media.

Recently, they played a game of charades on the Ellen show where Brie Larson had to guess Avengers characters and I couldnt help but notice the awesome X-Men logo in the background.

The best part was during the game of Heads Up when the audience had to provide clues for her to guess Storm(around the four-minute mark).

Also, there's a neat article on what kind of Storm we could get in MCU:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/11/22/what-kind-of-storm-are-we-getting-in-the-mcus-x-men/

Personally I like the idea of having Yetide Badaki cast as the role of Storm. She looks so much like her, and she's doing a great job playing a regal, powerful character in American Gods.

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New trailer for The New Mutants! Looks pretty awesome!

Also, it appears 5 X-Men characters will be appearing in the MCU as follows (allegedly):

Storm in Black Panther 2
Beast in WandaVision
Psylocke in ‘Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
Magik and Professor Xavier in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Really excited if this is true even though Black Panther was my least favorite Marvel movie and Storm being my favorite X-Men. (And yes I do get why she would make her entrance in that film)

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I noticed that Roberto da

I noticed that Roberto da Costa apparently can release solar energy as heat in this version, which the comics version couldn't do until later in his career, and that Xi'an Coy Manh is not part of the starting lineup while Illyana Nikolievna Rasputina is.

Ordinarily I'd pass on a horror film, but this one looks like it will be worth watching.

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Good cover song, interesting take on the franchise. I'm in.

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**Spoilers** (maybe?)

**Spoilers** (maybe?)

So apparently, Rogue may be introduced into Captain Marvel 2 as the villain which makes sense knowing her whole origin story and how she got her powers. TBH I like the idea that the X-Men are being introduced through solo character movies (i.e Storm in Black Panther 2) as bringing them all into one team-up movie feels a bit raw after the Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix nightmare.

This also makes me happy as I wasn't really into the Captain Marvel movie, in fact, I found it quite boring and would love to see Rogue take her powers and become her own thing.

Reminds me of this lovely image someone created - which gets me excited to see what Marvel has in store for the X-Men.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/captain-marvel-2-will-reportedly-introduce-this-x-men-character-as-an-adversary.html/

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**Spoilers** (maybe?)

Well given that Captain Marvel is a god-like "superwoman" character I could see where Rogue could end up being an effective "Kryptonite" against her.

Not entirely sold on the idea that Rogue could/would be the "main bad guy" versus Captain Marvel as the premise of an entire movie but I'd agree that it might be an interesting way to slowly merge the "X-Men cinematic universe" into the current MCU.

Maybe the MCU folks are truly worried that the upcoming WW1984 is going to be an awesome movie so they wanted to come up with their own version of a "woman vs. woman" movie. ;)

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Maybe the MCU folks are truly worried that the upcoming WW1984 is going to be an awesome movie so they wanted to come up with their own version of a "woman vs. woman" movie. ;)

Honestly? I don't think Marvel even cares what DC is doing. They've got a great formula.

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Maybe the MCU folks are truly worried that the upcoming WW1984 is going to be an awesome movie so they wanted to come up with their own version of a "woman vs. woman" movie. ;)

Honestly? I don't think Marvel even cares what DC is doing. They've got a great formula.

Honestly? Did you notice my "winky" face? ;)

But I do think it's predictably funny that when one Hollyweird studio does something plot-wise (like WW1984 doing a "woman vs. woman" theme) that another Hollyweird studio has to run out and do the exact same thing. This has nothing to do with "comic book" movies or the rivalry between Marvel and DC - Hollywood has been doing this kind of "copy-catting" for decades because in general they have no new ideas and are constantly copying each other.

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I feel like Hollywood is more

I feel like Hollywood is more rebooting and making sequels/prequels more than copying.

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I feel like Hollywood is more rebooting and making sequels/prequels more than copying.

I'd agree they are doing a bunch of that as well. Like I said they rarely have any truly -new- ideas. But studios are constantly ripping ideas off of each other and have been doing it since the beginning of the film industry.

Just saying if people end up paying hundreds of millions to see Wonder Woman fight Cheetah then you can be pretty sure the MCU will give us their version of a "girl fight" soon enough. Heck we're already getting the Black Widow movie as MCU's "counter-programming" to WW1984.

P.S. BTW you could ask yourself why WW1984 was set in "retro" 1984... Was it because the first Captain Marvel movie was set in the "retro" 1990s? Why "retro" at all?

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Honestly Rogue is one of my

Honestly Rogue is one of my favorite characters so I love the idea of introducing her as Captain Marvels villain. I've wanted to see her come back to the screen for a while and I think this is a great way to introduce her to the MCU!

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Backing up what lothic is

Backing up what lothic is saying and not disproving wolfgangs point at all I present two movies. Armageddon. Deep Impact. These two movies had the same premise. A lot of times a script will be shopped around to multiple studios. Every sees and reads the script. EVERYONE. If studio A passes and studio B buys in. Studio A gets jelly and tries to preempt or cash in on guerrilla marketing by releasing a "different" movie based loosely on the same script.

I don't think WW1984 is "following" Captain Marvel. The throwback 80's theme has been ongoing for awhile, and probably started with some of the branding for the newer Thor movies but I haven't been following closely enough to say for sure. It's showing up in a lot of mass media. If anything C.M. was bucking the trend by shooting in the "90's" So WW1984, is "on trend." it may be peak 80s throwback. I think a lot of interest in the theme is driven by...unfortunately millennial. Who started getting into comics and appreciating mass media in the late 80s and early 90s. Our parents (I'm a millennial) old comics and movies would be the first things we partook in the genre. Now that we have money, Hollywood is trying to cash in by appealing to that nostalgia. I hate using that word because the connotation/association isn't quite right. Anyway, as we get older and have kids, and less time, that trend will start to fade. That's why I think WW1984 is going to be the peak. It's hitting the nail a little too hard on the head. The studios will start pursuing probably go through a muddled period where the next wave of 20-40 somethings decide where their interests from youth collectively landed.

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Honestly Rogue is one of my favorite characters so I love the idea of introducing her as Captain Marvels villain. I've wanted to see her come back to the screen for a while and I think this is a great way to introduce her to the MCU!

I enjoyed it when Anna Paquin played Rogue but I doubt they would ask her to reprise the role at this point:

Of course this would led one to ask who might play the character in a new movie...

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In a way I was hoping to see

In a way I was hoping to see the original cast reprise their roles once again but at the same time I am excited to see what Marvel will do with the characters. I am concerned at the rumor that they may change the gender or race of some of the x-men just because the characters are so close to me and it would be unfamiliar to see them portrayed in different ways.

As for who will they cast as Rogue, who knows - but one of the suggestions is Lyndsy Fonseca:

Which I think is spot on!

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Backing up what lothic is saying and not disproving wolfgangs point at all I present two movies. Armageddon. Deep Impact. These two movies had the same premise. A lot of times a script will be shopped around to multiple studios. Every sees and reads the script. EVERYONE. If studio A passes and studio B buys in. Studio A gets jelly and tries to preempt or cash in on guerrilla marketing by releasing a "different" movie based loosely on the same script.

Another quintessential example:

J. Michael Straczynski pitched the core idea for what became Babylon 5 to Paramount back in the late 1980's as a new show for them. At the time Paramount basically told him they weren't interested. Fast forward a few years and all of a sudden Paramount launched Star Trek Deep Space Nine which was arguably incredibly "similar" to JMS's idea. Wonder how that happened? ;)

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I don't think WW1984 is "following" Captain Marvel. The throwback 80's theme has been ongoing for awhile, and probably started with some of the branding for the newer Thor movies but I haven't been following closely enough to say for sure. It's showing up in a lot of mass media. If anything C.M. was bucking the trend by shooting in the "90's" So WW1984, is "on trend." it may be peak 80s throwback. I think a lot of interest in the theme is driven by...unfortunately millennial. Who started getting into comics and appreciating mass media in the late 80s and early 90s. Our parents (I'm a millennial) old comics and movies would be the first things we partook in the genre. Now that we have money, Hollywood is trying to cash in by appealing to that nostalgia. I hate using that word because the connotation/association isn't quite right. Anyway, as we get older and have kids, and less time, that trend will start to fade. That's why I think WW1984 is going to be the peak. It's hitting the nail a little too hard on the head. The studios will start pursuing probably go through a muddled period where the next wave of 20-40 somethings decide where their interests from youth collectively landed.

The key here is that there was really no fundamental story-wise "need" for either Captain Marvel or WW1984 to be "retro" at all. As you've generalized they are just following the current Hollyweird trend of things being made "retro" just because the suits/hacks don't know anything better. Stranger Things anyone?

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As for who will they cast as Rogue, who knows - but one of the suggestions is Lyndsy Fonseca:

Which I think is spot on!

Yes... she certainly looks like she could at least properly fill out a spandex outfit. ;)

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Yeah I wasn't suggesting the

Yeah I wasn't suggesting the same actress reprise the role (though I wouldn't be opposed to it, albeit an older version) but just that the character could come back is great for me. I'm sure there are several capable talents available from which to choose should they be interested. (A side note: it would be interesting to see a short of several of the comic characters (using the original actors) that have been brought to screen in the past 20+ years in an Edward Hoppers Nighthawks-esqe setting. Just a half-dozen or so mismatched comic characters coincidentally at the same late night diner, no violent interaction just hanging neutrally but as a short 5 minute release or something fun like that!)

The actresses suggested thusly all seem to have the right look for it but that is only part of it.

The Rogue I remember as a kid was in deep trouble as she had literally absorbed all of Captain Marvel not just her powers but at least part of her consciousness/soul as well and was having major issues with it. All of it, the power, the memories that weren't hers and IIRC occasionally hearing Captain Marvel speaking/yelling at her like an echo of her or something. It's hard for me to remember been a long time since I read those issues.

I always thought she was one of the most powerful characters created by Marvel, at least at the time. Given the right conditions she could take down nearly anyone.

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Yeah I wasn't suggesting the same actress reprise the role (though I wouldn't be opposed to it, albeit an older version) but just that the character could come back is great for me.

Well now that Disney has "assimilated" the X-Men franchise they've already stated they are going to recast basically everyone in future movies except for Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool. Things could always change but as far as I know that's pretty much a done deal.

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The actresses suggested thusly all seem to have the right look for it but that is only part of it.

Obviously. For instance I think Sophie Turner looked good as Jean Grey but let's face it, she's not really the best actress in the world. She certainly has more acting talent than I do but that's not really saying much. ;)

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I always thought [Rogue] was one of the most powerful characters created by Marvel, at least at the time. Given the right conditions she could take down nearly anyone.

A good story can take any preexisting characters and do fun things with them. We can only hope they can figure out a story to make an entertaining full movie out of this scenario.

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I wouldnt say she can take

I wouldnt say she can take down anyone..I mean, all you have to do is keep your distance. ;)

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I wouldnt say she can take down anyone..I mean, all you have to do is keep your distance. ;)

Yeah this is part of the reason why I'm a tiny bit dubious about how an entire "Captain Marvel vs. Rogue" movie could seriously work.

Don't get me wrong - I think Rogue is a cool character. I just don't see this scenario of Rogue taking Captain Marvel's powers as being something that an entire 90+ minute movie could be primarily based on unless they dealt with it like some kind of superhero version of Freaky Friday or some-such.

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I mean, they made a trilogy

I mean, they made a trilogy of successful movies based on Thanos snapping his fingers so i'm sure they can do the same thing with Rogue needing to hold onto CM long enough to drain her.

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I mean, they made a trilogy of successful movies based on Thanos snapping his fingers so i'm sure they can do the same thing with Rogue needing to hold onto CM long enough to drain her.

Of course the mere fate of the universe was based on whether or not Thanos managed to snap his fingers so there was that.

Rogue draining Captain Marvel could make for a cool standalone scene that lasts for a few minutes... then what? At best Rogue might be able to accomplish something with Captain Marvel's powers that Captain Marvel herself could have done assuming Rogue never showed up. OK...

I'm not going to assume they can't build a movie around this set piece idea. Just pointing out that such a movie could literally be about anything (good or bad) because nothing obvious comes to mind as to what could be accomplished by this pairing of characters.

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I think they could do

I think they could do something decent with it. Consider that By chance these two run into each other and rogue gets a taste. She then sets about trying to accomplish some goal with CMs power. While CM goes about trying to reverse that outcome in a weakened state. Then the power dynamic reverses where Rogue is weak and CM is strong again. Rinse lather and repeat for 90 minutes.

I'm not a hollywood writer. But based on certain hollywood flops, neither are some hollywood writers.

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I think they could do something decent with it. Consider that By chance these two run into each other and rogue gets a taste. She then sets about trying to accomplish some goal with CMs power. While CM goes about trying to reverse that outcome in a weakened state. Then the power dynamic reverses where Rogue is weak and CM is strong again. Rinse lather and repeat for 90 minutes.

I'm not a hollywood writer. But based on certain hollywood flops, neither are some hollywood writers.

Sure theoretically a good script writer could cook up a good movie out of almost any idea. But as you alluded to Hollywood doesn't seem to have too many of those to spare. I think that's the part that worries me about this - this sounds like a relatively challenging idea that an average hack would probably fumble pretty easily.

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They definitely need to

They definitely need to change it up. As good as the Marvel movies are, I can see people getting tired of their formula.

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They definitely need to change it up. As good as the Marvel movies are, I can see people getting tired of their formula.

Well hopefully the people running the MCU will continue their good run of movies regardless. I can say there's really only been a couple that I would rank as "sub-par" so far.

I think the MCU has worked well for the most part because they've managed to take the original comic book canon established over decades and "respectfully translate" it into a workable movie-based canon that they've stuck to for internal consistency. Sure plenty of die-hard comic book nerds still quibble about how the movies "ruined" the comic book plotlines. But I figure you can't deny 20+ multi-million dollar movies without acknowledging that the MCU has done something right.

On the other hand I can say as a die-hard Star Trek nerd that pretty much all Trek made since 2009 has been absolute rubbish with very few redeeming bits-n-pieces. I guess it took JJ Abrams to show us that Voyager and Enterprise weren't actually that bad after all. Go figure. Things like "Nu-Trek" is what you get when you completely disregard (or choose to remain willfully ignorant of) what made the franchise great in the first place. Basically the insipid children in charge of making new Trek shows today are idiots who don't have a clue what they're doing. I desperately wanted to like Discovery but sadly gave up on it after a few episodes. The only reason they brought back Sir Patrick Stewart is because they know their new crap is crap and are hoping he'll save their collective asses with Star Trek Picard.

Anyway I'm not trying to de-rail this thread into a Star Trek rant but I did want to mention it as a cautionary tale for what could possibly happen to the MCU in the future if they stop paying attention to the original canon that made the MCU great in the first place.

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But.. But..i liked the star

But.. But..i liked the star trek movies..

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But.. But..i liked the star trek movies..

Well I suppose somebody did - they did make a decent amount of box office money at the very least. I'll also state for the record that I didn't mind the new, young actors playing the original roles so my problems with the new movies had nothing to do with that. Obviously they needed to re-cast the roles for the new movies and I generally thought the new actors 'acted' the roles well enough. TBH, I thought Urban's version of McCoy was particularly well handled.

But after you get past the new actors practically EVERYTHING about JJTrek blows donkey balls bigly. Sure the movies had great CGI but what major Hollywood Sci-Fi movie has -not- had decent CGI in the last 10-20 years? As someone who's seen every Trek movie (old and new) as well as 600+ TV episodes prior to Discovery it's relatively easy to see just how absolutely horrible Trek has become in the last 10 years. Again the folks running the various JJTrek movies and new TV shows not only don't have a clue about the canon they've been entrusted with but actively go out of their way to crap all over it and "reimagine" it into something completely unrecognizable. Abrams himself has admitted that he hated Trek growing up and always wanted it to be more like Star Wars. Well sadly what he created wasn't even as good as the latest crap Star Wars movies he was ALSO involved with ruining. Abrams basically took Trek out back and put a bullet it its head all to make a quick buck...

Not that I have strong feelings about it or anything. ;)

And don't get me going on the Discovery/Picard TV abominations. Like I said I've happily watched over 600+ episodes of TV Trek (which technically means I'll watch almost anything) and I couldn't even make it past the first few episodes of Discovery. I almost couldn't make myself sit through the first Picard ep although again I desperately wanted to like it.

Oh well, at least the idiots currently running Trek into the ground can't take my DvDs of "real" Trek away from me. ;)

P.S. It's sad that an uber-fan of Star Trek (Seth MacFarlane) has made a better version Star Trek (The Orville) than the current -actual- Star Trek showrunners. Heck truth be told The Orville is actually better than a lot of the older Trek that Abrams never got the chance to defile...

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I've not been to a movie

I've not been to a movie theater in over a decade and I'm not certain I'm missing anything. The same is true for TV. I occasionally pick up a DVD from the Library.

Granted, that means I've not eaten Pop-Corn in a very long time. I may be neglecting my health... or not. *grin*

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I've not been to a movie theater in over a decade and I'm not certain I'm missing anything. The same is true for TV. I occasionally pick up a DVD from the Library.

Granted, that means I've not eaten Pop-Corn in a very long time. I may be neglecting my health... or not. *grin*

Sadly I'd have to agree you haven't missed much movie-wise. We go to see maybe 8-10 movies a year and while the "going out" part is fun there's really only been one or two a year that's been worth remembering for years to come. The rest are forgotten almost as soon as we've seen them. *shrugs*

The TV situation is a little better now that streaming is a big thing. At least you can cherry-pick exactly what you want to watch without having to be locked into what the "networks" want you to see.

To put a cap on my recent Star Trek rant (that I completely blame Wolfgang8565 for encouraging) it's fairly easy to pretend that no new official Star Trek has been made since 2005. I even consider fan-based efforts like Star Trek Continues to be more "official" than the crap Paramount's been spewing lately. ;)

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I like Magneto, who WAS an X

I like Magneto, who WAS an X man, not so much the comic versions, but the newer, better origin where his motives make sense as a man who lost his way trying to prevent tragedy.

Jean Grey and Storm I dont care for at all. Beast is ok.

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