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what makes this even more frustrating is that Marvel has no plans for the x-men and frankly they barely seem excited to have them back so I know I cant expect another x-men movie for at least 5 years...

I think it is reasonable for Marvel to have no plans at the moment. Behind the scenes do they? Probably. But consider Marvel is into 'phases' and they already had the next 5 years planned out when the acquisition happened. They seem to have the long game in mind. In 5 years spiderman, Strange, Guardians may be long in the tooth. Maybe some of the other properties will flop. Maybe the actors will want a lot more $ or maybe they will be bored with the roles. It may seem bad for the MCU at that point in time, but the X-men by then will be 'fresh' and primed for a reboot in Marvel style to keep the MCU going for another decade in the 'mutant' phase.

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what makes this even more frustrating is that Marvel has no plans for the x-men and frankly they barely seem excited to have them back so I know I cant expect another x-men movie for at least 5 years...

I think it is reasonable for Marvel to have no plans at the moment. Behind the scenes do they? Probably. But consider Marvel is into 'phases' and they already had the next 5 years planned out when the acquisition happened. They seem to have the long game in mind. In 5 years spiderman, Strange, Guardians may be long in the tooth. Maybe some of the other properties will flop. Maybe the actors will want a lot more $ or maybe they will be bored with the roles. It may seem bad for the MCU at that point in time, but the X-men by then will be 'fresh' and primed for a reboot in Marvel style to keep the MCU going for another decade in the 'mutant' phase.

Yeah I know you're right and that makes sense if they already had plans. I just think xmen would be more important, more popular than some of the other movies they are working on like nova and eternals. If thought they'd be like, ok we have them so let's scrap some of these movies like black widow or eternals and make xmen movies... Idk I guess the other thing you mentioned about needed some time to refresh makes sense especially after this horrible dark phoenix

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I think the most telling

I think the most telling reaction to the new film is that my local cinema had cut Endgame showings down to just a single 3pm slot to make room for Dark Phoenix, and now after a week Endgame is showing at multiple times in the evening again.

Spurn all ye kindle.

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I was very surprised when I

I was very surprised when I was able to get two good seats the hour it came out, and half the theater was empty, I'm not surprised anymore lol

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I look forward to seeing this

I look forward to seeing this movie!

...Probably on FX, playing in the background, when I’m trying to vacuum the living room.

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I look forward to seeing this movie!

...Probably on FX, playing in the background, when I’m trying to vacuum the living room.

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I look forward to seeing this movie!

...Probably on FX, playing in the background, when I’m trying to vacuum the living room.

And doing laundry during commercials

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Lockheed FTW!

Lockheed FTW!

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Lockheed FTW!

I didn't see this Lockheed:

Or even his sidekick Kitty Pryde, in the Dark Phoenix movie. :(

But they should get one. ^_^

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The jet they fly is based in

The jet they fly is based in the SR71, developed by Lockheed.

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The jet they fly is based in the SR71, developed by Lockheed.

Which is where (via a fairy tale told by fourteen year old Kitty to seven year old Illyana Nickoleivna Rasputina (sister of Colossus ^_^)) Lockheed the shoulder dragon got his name.

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Exciting news!

Exciting news!

Dawn of X initiative announced to put the X-Men on top.






Oh, and the first part of Phase 4 was announced today. No X-Men... yet. At the end, Feige stated them and the Fantastic Four are coming, very clearly hyping people for what's to come. It looks like he's just as excited as us.

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Okay, from the top:

Okay, from the top:
X-Men: Corsair + Cyclops and Havoc + Cable = 3 generations of Summers boys?
EXcalibur: No British heroes that I recognize... but then I don't recognize the two between Jubilation Lee and Rogue.
Marauders: Stealing the bad guys name! Also, did those blades Kitty has belong to Kurt?
New Mutants: Two guys I don't recognize; anyone know if Dani Moonstar is still a Valkyrie?
Fallen Angels: If that was Cable up in X-Men, who's this younger version with Betsy and Laura?
X-Force: The two on the left (behind Hank and Jean) and the one on the right, with the names all over his t-shirt and the flair, behind Domino's arm, are new to me.

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Oh yeah, I should mention.

Oh yeah, I should mention. Betsy got her body back, which was very controversial for a variety of reasons I don't care to get into right now. All in all, Caucasian Psylocke just didn't take. Marvel caught on to this, and while Betsy is still white, she's no longer Psylocke. She's now the new Captain Britain, while her original identity of Psylocke is now taken by Kwannon who she swapped bodies with and spent many years as Psylocke.

God, I love comics.

Anyways, to answer some other questions:

- It appear Dani Moonstar is Mirage and thus a mutant again.
- The younger version you see in Fallen Angels is Kid Cable.
- Those two are Black Tom and Kid Omega.

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- The younger version you see in Fallen Angels is Kid Cable.

X-Man 2.0?

I actually enjoyed the original Nate Grey X-Man run, but I am surprised that they have what's clearly another version of it after all these years.

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I wish I followed the comics

I wish I followed the comics more. It would make up for the lack of xmen on the big screen.(trying to forget dark phoenix). I'm disappointed the xmen are on the back burner with marvel. It seemed they were so desperate to get them back. But I'm still excited to see them popping up more. For example, the news about a storm, Phoenix, mystique barbie.. Lol I don't know if I'd get barbies but I'm tempted. I'd post a Pic of them but I'm on my phone.

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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
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I wish I followed the comics more. It would make up for the lack of xmen on the big screen.(trying to forget dark phoenix). I'm disappointed the xmen are on the back burner with marvel. It seemed they were so desperate to get them back. But I'm still excited to see them popping up more. For example, the news about a storm, Phoenix, mystique barbie.. Lol I don't know if I'd get barbies but I'm tempted. I'd post a Pic of them but I'm on my phone.

Actually everything indicates they aren't on the backburner. Dawn of X is said to be a "reboot" that's still in-continuity with Marvel, and will revitalize them in the comics. They were downplayed before yes, but that was due to film rights. Now that has been solved, Feige hyped up their coming to the MCU at SDCC. He even used the word "Mutants" rather than just "X-Men", which many have taken to mean that multiple X-movies are in development. That makes perfect sense, because X-Men as a brand is so large that you either go big or go home.

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The Hybrid wrote:
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Oh yeah, I should mention. Betsy got her body back, which was very controversial for a variety of reasons I don't care to get into right now. All in all, Caucasian Psylocke just didn't take. Marvel caught on to this, and while Betsy is still white, she's no longer Psylocke. She's now the new Captain Britain, while her original identity of Psylocke is now taken by Kwannon who she swapped bodies with and spent many years as Psylocke.

God, I love comics.

Anyways, to answer some other questions:

- It appear Dani Moonstar is Mirage and thus a mutant again.
- The younger version you see in Fallen Angels is Kid Cable.
- Those two are Black Tom and Kid Omega.

Dani Moonstar was a mutant called Mirage when she was accepted by the Valkyrior; didn't change her powers but she got a cool flying horse.
So, a younger version of Cable from not as far into the dystopian future.
And since the kid on the right has an Omega symbol, and I know of Black Tom (Cassidy) as Banshee's brother, I presume that makes then the far right and far left, respectively. What about the woman with dark hair, whose face is between that of Black Tom and Jean Grey?

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The Hybrid wrote:
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I wish I followed the comics more. It would make up for the lack of xmen on the big screen.(trying to forget dark phoenix). I'm disappointed the xmen are on the back burner with marvel. It seemed they were so desperate to get them back. But I'm still excited to see them popping up more. For example, the news about a storm, Phoenix, mystique barbie.. Lol I don't know if I'd get barbies but I'm tempted. I'd post a Pic of them but I'm on my phone.

Actually everything indicates they aren't on the backburner. Dawn of X is said to be a "reboot" that's still in-continuity with Marvel, and will revitalize them in the comics. They were downplayed before yes, but that was due to film rights. Now that has been solved, Feige hyped up their coming to the MCU at SDCC. He even used the word "Mutants" rather than just "X-Men", which many have taken to mean that multiple X-movies are in development. That makes perfect sense, because X-Men as a brand is so large that you either go big or go home.

It was more of when they first asked Feige about the X-Men and he brushed it off like, "oh, nothing in the works right now" type of quote. He just didnt seem excited, or eager to work on anything for us fans, or even that he would bring them into the avengers world. Its certainly not a great way to welcome all of us X-fans. Maybe its his way of hiding info, but I have yet to see a solid quote from him that hes excited to have them back, and eager to start working on ways to bring them in and do them justice and that he wont disappoint us.

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That’s definitely Black Tom.

That’s definitely Black Tom.

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Oh yeah, I should mention. Betsy got her body back, which was very controversial for a variety of reasons I don't care to get into right now. All in all, Caucasian Psylocke just didn't take. Marvel caught on to this, and while Betsy is still white, she's no longer Psylocke. She's now the new Captain Britain, while her original identity of Psylocke is now taken by Kwannon who she swapped bodies with and spent many years as Psylocke.

God, I love comics.

Anyways, to answer some other questions:

- It appear Dani Moonstar is Mirage and thus a mutant again.
- The younger version you see in Fallen Angels is Kid Cable.
- Those two are Black Tom and Kid Omega.

Dani Moonstar was a mutant called Mirage when she was accepted by the Valkyrior; didn't change her powers but she got a cool flying horse.
So, a younger version of Cable from not as far into the dystopian future.
And since the kid on the right has an Omega symbol, and I know of Black Tom (Cassidy) as Banshee's brother, I presume that makes then the far right and far left, respectively. What about the woman with dark hair, whose face is between that of Black Tom and Jean Grey?

My bad. I'm not particularly versed with Dani Moonstar.

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So, that leaves one guy

So, that leaves one guy unidentified in the EXcalibur cover, between Betsy and Rogue, two of the New Mutants (one looks like an earth elemental, and the other's head is wreathed in flame), and the woman on the left side of the X-Force cover, with her black hair up in a bun, behind Jean and in front of Hank and Tom.

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So, that leaves one guy unidentified in the EXcalibur cover, between Betsy and Rogue, two of the New Mutants (one looks like an earth elemental, and the other's head is wreathed in flame), and the woman on the left side of the X-Force cover, with her black hair up in a bun, behind Jean and in front of Hank and Tom.

The two new members of the New Mutants are Chamber and Mondo, and the woman on X-Force you're referring to is Sage. I think the guy on Excalibur is Rictor.

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House of X is out now, and

House of X is out now, and boy they weren't kidding when they said it would be different and change up the status quo.

What do you guys think?

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Its official! Storm is

Its official! Storm is considered an OMEGA level mutant! List was released by Marvel.

Cant post link right now but feel free to Google it!

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Fortunately, TVTropes has the

Fortunately, TVTropes has the list.

Jamie Braddock/Monarch — Reality Manipulation (Quantum)
Robert Drake/Iceman — Temperature Manipulation (Negative)
Joshua Foley/Elixir — Biokinesis
Jean Grey/Marvel Girl — Telepathy
David Haller/Legion — Power Manifestation
Erik Lehnsherr/Magneto — Magnetism
Kevin MacTaggert/Proteus — Reality Manipulation (Psionic)
Absolon Mercator/Mister M — Matter Manipulation
Ororo Monroe/Storm — Weather Manipulation
Bennet du Paris/Exodus — Telekinesis
Quentin Quire/Kid Omega — Telepathy
Franklin Richards/Powerhouse — Reality Manipulation (Universal)
Gabriel Summers/Vulcan — Energy Manipulation
Hope Summers — Power Manipulation

The chart also gives us a solid definition of what an Omega-level mutant is. Before, it was a vague term meaning "powerful mutant" and was used inconsistently. Example: Psylocke was once called Omega-level, while Magneto was Alpha-level. Psylocke isn't even as powerful as Spider-Man, much less Magneto and that's not even the only comparison I could make.

The definition is someone who's the utmost top-tier of their ability, and cannot be surpassed in that ability. It uses two examples to illustrate this: Magneto and Forge. While both are the top-tier of their powers (magnetism and technopathy), Magneto is Omega while Forge isn't, because Magneto's magnetism cannot be surpassed while Forge can, and has, by non-mutants like Reed Richards and Tony Stark.

So there you go. Honestly, I'm already really liking this run. It's instantly between than Uncanny X-Men 2018, and we're just getting started. That bit of world-building right there is something I appreciate.

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Jamie is considered a mutant,

Jamie is considered a mutant, now? Interesting. I knew his twin sister was, but fraternal twins don't have the same genotype, so...

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By that definition Hybrid, I

By that definition Hybrid, I am curious to think, couldnt Storm surpass Iceman in terms of ice control? Or the other way around? I guess Storm could not because she cannot turn into ice, and Iceman cannot surpass her in the sense that he cannot summon lightning and other weather phenomena..

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Jamie is considered a mutant, now? Interesting. I knew his twin sister was, but fraternal twins don't have the same genotype, so...

No, you're thinking of the wrong guy. Brian Braddock is Betsy's twin, and he's not a mutant. Jamie Braddock, the older sibling to both, is.

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By that definition Hybrid, I am curious to think, couldnt Storm surpass Iceman in terms of ice control? Or the other way around? I guess Storm could not because she cannot turn into ice, and Iceman cannot surpass her in the sense that he cannot summon lightning and other weather phenomena..

Storm cannot be surpassed in terms of weather manipulation, but can't surpass Iceman in cold manipulation. Iceman's specialty is specifically that, as he can do things like absorb large bodies of water to grow stronger, absorb the fluids of someone to kill them, teleport himself large distances via traveling through water vapor, and become an organic ice form (not just ice armor), just to name a few things. Those are things that Storm certainly can't do. Though to be fair, her weather manipulation allows her to do things Iceman wouldn't able to do either. So yeah, I can see how that works. Storm is a jack of all trades, but Iceman is a specialist.

Also, here's a funny fact:

Back in the sixties, the official power ranking order of the O5 X-Men were Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Iceman and Marvel Girl. Fast-forward to the present, and guess which two are the Omega-level mutants?

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Also, are these limits

Also, are these limits theoretical or observed? If theoretical, then there is reason to believe that (for instance) Magneto's power will never be surpassed, or at east not by a significant amount. But if they are only observed limits, then they only describe what is known about current mutants, and each new generation will bring the potential to rewrite portions or even all of this list.

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Jamie is considered a mutant, now? Interesting. I knew his twin sister was, but fraternal twins don't have the same genotype, so...

No, you're thinking of the wrong guy. Brian Braddock is Betsy's twin, and he's not a mutant. Jamie Braddock, the older sibling to both, is.

Ah, that's right. I sit corrected. ^_^

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Just how overpowered is Betsy

Just how overpowered is Betsy Braddock as Captain Britain going to be?

We all know that Betsy will become the new Captain Britain in the upcoming Excalibur series. What's also interesting is that she's not just taking the name, but it's confirmed that she's getting the Amulet of Right aka the thing that first powered her brother Brian. She's also shown to retain her mutant powers.

If this sounds right: she'll be a Superman-esque powerhouse with advanced telekinesis and telepathy abilities that few can match. In fact, I think it's entirely possible that the empowerment won't just affect her physical abilities, but her already potent innate powers could theoretically receive a massive boost as well, but we don't know if they'll go that route.

I'm not particularly versed with Captain Britain, but I know from what I have seen that he's very OP even without Betsy's additional abilities. He can lift an incredible amount of weight (such as when he landed a 600 ton jumbo jet by himself and that's not an isolated instance of his strength), fly at superhuman speeds (catching up to people hours away in mere minutes), no-sell attacks that would decimate other strong people (not even phased by Pete Wisdom stabbing him with a hot knife with the temperature of the sun), and can manipulate a powerful forcefield to his advantage (when just being nigh-invulnerable isn't enough). I know that his power is based on confidence (I guess similar to the Hulk with anger?), and at his most confident he's even more OP. He once held back the Phoenix, something not even Thor has been able to do.

Now keep in mind that Betsy, without the above augmentation, is still the third most powerful telepath in the world, can create powerful forcefields, psionic weapons, read minds, control minds, and use a variety of special TK-based abilities. I didn't list everything, because she has a lot. Her biggest weakness was no super strength or inherent durability, and that's no longer a problem.

Now, she has the above physical powers, and the mental powers that could receive a boost from becoming Captain Britain. I mean, Brian was OP enough as it is, and he doesn't have any innate mutant powers.

Damn. Betsy has suddenly became one of the scariest people in the Marvel Universe.

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