Owais wrote:

you can give hair style to any person right ?

There was an update on the kickstarter page all about the hair designer we have on the development team. I've linked to it below. And at the bottom of the article is a link to the forum discussion.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/missingworldsmedia/the-phoenix-project-city-of-titans/posts/1792126

Grimfox wrote:

I suspect those links are dangerous. Do not follow them. I think this guy is astroturfing and dropping links hoping the hapless will click them. Please report posts with suspicious links like this.

Are you referring to the links Owais provided in post #273? I was trying to give that post the benefit of the doubt but given that the person just joined and asked a relatively "odd" question I never even considered to clicking on those links. Again trying to be fair but the entire post did seem a bit suspicious from the get-go. *shrugs*

While I'm here I might as well toss out an idea for a hairstyle. There's this talented young Norwegian singer named Aurora Aksnes (goes by her stage name Aurora) whose built up a bit of a indie/synth pop career over the last few years. She's had many hairstyles but one of her more signature looks involves a classic bob with these extra "tails" in towards the front. The following few pics will give you the idea:

[img=250x250]https://pm1.narvii.com/6912/a63fd28b2d1e3fdca21e04245a58438568f35107r1-576-713v2_00.jpg[/img][img=300x300]https://www.nitelifeonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Aurora-interview-Nitelife-magazine-Aurora-Photo-3-July-2019.jpg[/img][img=300x300]https://c8.alamy.com/comp/W47HA0/norwegian-singersongwriter-aurora-aurora-aksnes-performing-live-latitude-festival-henham-park-suffolk-uk-20th-july-2019-W47HA0.jpg[/img][img=300x300]https://riffmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/IMG_8138.jpg[/img][img=300x300]https://www.eventsinger.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/aurora-apple-tree-920.jpg[/img]

I think anyone familiar with Final Fantasy XIV would call it the Y'shtola look.
[img=480x240]http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Dissidia-19.jpg[/img]
[img=480x240]https://66.media.tumblr.com/997548e21d68290a9451d632e565dd5a/tumblr_obcnhjYxhE1uc60i4o2_500.png[/img]

Some more belts would be really really fun!

Nothing major. Only a few really.

Sure there are belts for the waist already, and straps for the limbs, and a harness for the chest. But why stop there? Could always dress in more belts! There's no reason that a top couldn't be made of belts, or some leggings, or a pattern for a suit, or a skin itself! You always have your head made out of belts, or your tail! But why stop there when you have a beautiful system for auras? You could walk on belts, fly with belts, and breath in the belts! Everything in the world is already made of belts after all, that's what stringbelt theory says! (Trust me, I'm a belt scientist)

Just look at the 90s and early 2000s for inspiration! Everyone respected belts then. Final Fantasy sure had a few, but just look at Vash the Stampede dressed almost entirely in belts! Everyone from Edward Scissorhands to Pinhead knew how practical belts could be as garments, and they came up with some fantastically creative uses for them! Or better yet, just look up Too Many Belts on TV Tropes! https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooManyBelts It's absolutely silly that they think you could ever have too many, but if you follow the examples in their extensive citations you could never go wrong!!

My last suggestion in this thread was related to a European singer so to keep that theme going I've got another costume suggestion from another European singer.

This time I'll talk about Maria Franz who's a member of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilung]Heilung[/url]. They're a neofolk/ethnic band that specializes in northern European iron/bronze age music. They're like what would happen if a group of historical Norse/Vikings came to our time, formed a modern band and played heavy percussion-based music. They have a bunch of vids on youtube if you want to check them out.

Maria usually plays the role of the tribal priestess wearing the same basic white dress and headdress with attached antlers. The following are a few pics of her:

[img=400x400]https://s3.amazonaws.com/sfc-datebook-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/01/MERf73e3604141f487efe86eea8b0561_heilung0113.jpg[/img][img=300x300]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/93/2f/2e/932f2e35c15fefdea62b2c90a83b2e98.jpg[/img][img=300x300]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/82/c0/51/82c05133a99afcd5eba3a7b78a52746c.jpg[/img]
[img=400x400]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0FshJuN3dOY/maxresdefault.jpg[/img][img=300x300]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUk_yrpW0AAqYLx.jpg[/img][img=200x200]http://the-road-crew.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Heilung-22-Modifier.jpg[/img]

Her entire outfit is wonderful but specifically for CoT I'd want a version of her leather mask/veil. What's cool (creepy?) about it is that it obscures her eyes and gives her a very otherworldly vibe. Without eyes she seems ghostly or witch-like and that might be cool for a mystical/necromancer type character.

I love it.

It's two pieces. A fringed veil and the antlers. Antlers appear to already be on the list.

The advantage of Makeup over tattoos is that you don't have to be 'Viking KISS' all the time. It's one of my principles for Costume Design. One must have the ability to go to the Pizza-joint, for your neice's birthday party, without 'outing' yourself as a Titan. Therefore, costume items must be removable, or replaceable. OR one has to have a plausible plan for shape-changing.

Be Well!
Fireheart

yeah this is already a solved issue, their are going to be tailors and extra costume slots, it's not like your not going to be able to change your costume

After a quick google image search it's clear people are still using that mask all around the world in all sorts of variations. All MWM would have to do is make sure they didn't copy the "V for Vendetta" version of the mask 100% identically and they'd be perfectly fine.

who suggested condescending online man mask?

Here's another amazingly simple suggestion that came from the Discord page: animal whiskers (cat, mouse, etc.).

It's always funny when an obvious idea takes years to make it to the list. :)

Lothic wrote:

Here's another amazingly simple suggestion that came from the Discord page: animal whiskers (cat, mouse, etc.).

It's always funny when an obvious idea takes years to make it to the list. :)

Totally. I didn't even include whiskers in my costume items for the [url=https://cityoftitans.com/comment/176970#comment-176970][i]Beastman Pack[/i][/url]. Funny.

DesViper wrote:

So you've prefer this to just long fingers?

I like them both, no reason to have one over the other, it'll be like saying that we have only mask. I just like the count orlock type finger animations

MikaMerrow wrote:

Forgot for legs: Satyr/Faun, and hooves.

This was another great catch. I think "horse legs" were on the list but somehow we missed the classic "Satyr/Faun" type legs.

While I'm here I'll add my own limb-related suggestion. I think we need a "hand replacement" that gives us a humanoid four-fingered hand:

[img=300x300]https://i.imgur.com/Y6rvk0z.jpeg[/img]

This would be great for people who want to do "alien" type characters that are mostly human but just a tiny bit different. Or for people who want to do Simpsons clones. There's probably a lot of uses for these.

Iathor wrote:

Lothic wrote:

While I'm here I'll add my own limb-related suggestion. I think we need a "hand replacement" that gives us a humanoid four-fingered hand:

I have a suspicion this is actually difficult. I’m pretty sure the skeleton we use has a full set of bones in the fingers, and I expect these will be used in gripping props and animations. A four fingered hand would require all that to be duplicated, I think. Also, any gloves would have to be re-created to fit the different hand mesh. These issues will also crop up to a degree with the existing hand replacements like the boxing gloves. But you wouldn’t normally expect those to work well with a hand prop.

Well no one said that every idea for this game had to be trivial to implement. Obviously some ideas will be harder to do than others but that's not going to stop anyone from suggesting them regardless. ;)

That said I can see where this "four-fingers" idea would be potentially difficult because it'd likely have to be a fundamental modification to the basic body models. Unlike something like an "arm cannon" or even a boxing glove where you could just hide the normal five-fingered hand underneath something this four-fingered idea can't be buried inside a larger glove-like structure. That would definitely be a challenge.

As far as gripping props go that might not be all that different from the standard hand assuming the individual finger animations for the normal five-fingered hand have the 4th and 5th fingers move identically in lock-step. In other words if we can assume the 4th and 5th fingers effectively bend around props in exactly the same way then "removing" the 5th finger shouldn't really change the underlying animations. Bottomline the 4th finger of EITHER a four or five fingered hand should work the same way animation-wise.

Finally the issue about having to recreate/duplicate all the fingered gloves in the game to fit four fingers instead of five has a very simple solution: DON'T worry about it. Simply having the option to have a four-fingered hand WITHOUT any extra gloves for it would be better than not having the option at all. Sure in a perfect world it would be nice to have every glove in the game work with either four or five fingers but it's certainly not necessary. As a hypothetical if you created the Satyr legs would you worry about putting all the normal "human foot" boots on them? Of course not. You can just treat a four-fingered hand to be as "unique" as the nonstandard legs in this case.

As always I would assume a four-fingered hand could be added to the list of things to be implemented "long after launch" regardless of how hard it would be to do.

I wouldn't think a four-fingered hand would be an issue at all. No one has to change any bones or animations to make it happen. Bones aren't visible anyway. They're just a structure to which visible things maintain their relational positioning, right? So all they have to do is just create a visible hand that uses only the first three finger bones, ignoring the pinky bone. The 3D visible mesh for the hand doesn't have to be as wide as a hand with all the fingers on it, does it? We don't want it to look like a normal hand missing a pinky. We want it to look like a naturally four-fingered hand. It would just be narrower. So the game would still use the same number of bones but the players would see a four fingered hand instead of a five fingered hand.

Now, if the players desire a four-fingered hand to have the same width as a five-fingered hand with the difference being the spacing between the fingers, then we could still do that by spacing the hand's skeleton, making it wider so the end result is a four-fingered hand with the same width as a normal five-fingered hand but with greater spacing between the digits.

But as far as I know, hand width is not an existing morph in the character creator. Understandably so, because of all the clipping that could create with weapons and animations. But so long as we are making the fifth digit invisible anyway, clipping wouldn't be an issue in this case. So a four fingered hand could actually be default "wider"so that it appears to be the same width as a five-fingered hand. We wouldn't need to have a hand width slider put into the avatar builder so long as the skeletal hand width adjustment is handled in the code when that hand replacement option is chosen.

People gotta stop poo-pooing cool ideas and start thinking how can we implement cool ideas instead.

Heck, we could even use three fingered hands this way too (think: X-men's Nightcrawler)

Iathor wrote:

We’ve already set up some potential weirdness with hand variants and props. I can’t see someone with the boxing glove hands gripping a bow, or a gun. Much less the arm cannons. Not sure if we’ve got anything planned to prevent attempting that, but it should be “it just won’t work ”, I think.

This is one of those interesting resource allocation issues. I think this is going to be a common question the devs will have to ask themselves time and time again.

I am referring to the question of whether to trust players with the responsibility to avoid wonky weirdness when they create their characters or do the devs put in hard exclusions like "this hand substitute excludes hand-based props." I firmly believe that the vast majority will try to create something that looks workable, reasonable and dare I say it, cool.

There will always be the one player who just wants to watch the world burn and will create the glitchiest, ugliest, most wonky character design that shows off all the weird eccentricities the avatar builder will allow like it was a highlight reel. But the question becomes: How many people will do that and how long will they actually play those characters? In other words, what is the likelihood of such weirdness actually appearing in the game? (and is it really a bad thing?) And is the development effort that would be required to prevent such weirdness worth it?

Iathor wrote:

I was going to post a picture, but not sure how to do that here without having an external URL to store it at, which I don't have handy.

There are many ways to do that but lately I've been using [url=https://imgur.com/]Imgur[/url] to upload pics to the Internet for various forums like this. It requires no account and is free to use. Just click the "New Post" button on the top left of the home page to get started. It'll upload your pic and give you an URL to point to it. Good luck.

Iathor wrote:

Lothic wrote:

Iathor wrote:

I was going to post a picture, but not sure how to do that here without having an external URL to store it at, which I don't have handy.

There are many ways to do that but lately I've been using [url=https://imgur.com/]Imgur[/url] to upload pics to the Internet for various forums like this. It requires no account and is free to use. Just click the "New Post" button on the top left of the home page to get started. It'll upload your pic and give you an URL to point to it. Good luck.

Yes, there are many third-party sites where I could store images to link here, but I basically don't trust external image links -- after a while, they tend to break because the server has shut down, or the account is gone, or the server policy changed, or any number of other issues. I could use my iCloud account, which isn't likely to go away anytime soon, but I don't necessarily trust that the URLs will be stable, long term.

I much prefer the model Discord uses, where it uploads the image locally. Unfortunately I don't think that's reasonable on the forum server here; too much potential maintenance hassle.

Well I guess there's always a chance any image hosting site could be shut down or otherwise drop your pics. I used "TinyPic" until they shut down a year ago but until it closed it was good for like 15 years.

All I can give you is an anecdotal data point for Imgur. It's been around for like 10 years so it's probably as stable as any of these sites. *shrugs*

SWAT gear plez

I was going to to describe what I was hoping for (in short, more options for boots and gloves), but I thought some visualization may serve better.

When in doubt, go to the source material:

Linda Carter's boots from the Wonder Woman TV series:
[img=360x360]https://live.staticflickr.com/3864/14865499358_35bf5f7381_b.jpg[/img]

Gal Gadot's boots from WW84:
[img=360x360]https://www.pinkvilla.com/files/styles/large/public/wonder-woman-heels.jpg[/img]

Supergirl's Boots:
[img=360x360]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b7/02/8a/b7028a3a44cbe2cf6ec5fa2ede9af259.png[/img]
It has a little white detail in the achilles' tendon area that makes it look a little wonky, but it's the heel we're looking at.

I'd say that the 70's era wonder woman boots are about as far as I would go for boots, and that height can be duplicated in all forms of shoe and shoe-replacement ideas.

It [url=https://cityoftitans.com/comment/121542#comment-121542]has been established[/url] that color blendind capability is built into the engine. But we still need costume pieces that let us blend colors. The capability is a waste if the devs don't give it to us.

I'd like to add this to the costume request list because I don't see the devs getting around to it without a reminder. I suggested it up in comment #314, but it hasn't made it onto the list yet.