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classes of prop objects.

Is is possible, or even a good idea to define different prop object assets as belonging to a specific class, like rifle, pistol, sword, pole-arm, shield, backpack, etc?

It would definitely make the animations and emotes easier to sort out, right? If you make a new prop that's supposed to be some new-fangled looking rifle, you could then default to give it the same basic "skeleton" and emotes and so forth that the "basic" rifle would have. I personally would like the idea that if a new rifle come on the market, it will already be able to do emotes like "hold in two hands, stock against shoulder, fire while looking down the boresight" etc. It would be ool to have a "scoot quickly with rifle" version of movement, like the Ninja Run, but more "soldier with rifle" looking.

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I'd have to assume that even internally the Devs are sorting all the props into general "classifications" just for the sake of organizing everything to make it easier for themselves much less us. That would also likely mean that any new props would end up "inheriting" qualities/features that existed with previous versions of the prop in question.

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idk how you could function

idk how you could function without even "melee" and "ranged" classifications.


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Aren't there already a lot of

Aren't there already a lot of games that have emoted galore for rifles figured out? How hard is that to "adopt" from someplace else instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. Or the rifle, in this case. You know what I mean.

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You don't want to your RPG

You don't want to use your RPG launcher like a sword? :P

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Smack them with a rocket

Smack them with a rocket launcher, shoot rockets from a sword! Love it.

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I don't want to have to write

I don't want to have to write code of every prop to be able to do every emote, if that's what you're asking.

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Using the tip of a sword as a

Using the tip of a sword as a place to emit particle effects from, or as a projecting launch point is something I'd assume we get, actually.

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Smack them with a rocket launcher, shoot rockets from a sword! Love it.

I, for one, am firmly on team "shoot rockets from a sword"


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I wonder if we'll be able to

I wonder if we'll be able to have props that like, are your character's body morphing. So turn hand into sword. Uh, like Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle. How his suit morphs into various weaponry.

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I'd have to assume that even internally the Devs are sorting all the props into general "classifications" just for the sake of organizing everything to make it easier for themselves much less us. That would also likely mean that any new props would end up "inheriting" qualities/features that existed with previous versions of the prop in question.

This.

Although, I think Radiac has a point from the perspective of establishing future compatibility from the player's perspective. If I grow tired of my look or I decide to go with a more modern aesthetic, for instance; it would be nice to pick from a pre-sorted selection of props that are of the same classification as my existing one. With probably hundreds of props to choose from, it would be nice to filter for just the rifles or just the wands, or just the whatever.


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To be honest, I'd want to

To be honest, I'd want to categorize everything by Power Emanation Points. That way the props are classified/organized by function rather than by types.

Hand Props: Guns, Wands, Staves, Bows, Chainsaws, Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons, TITAN Weapons, etc. etc., so on and so forth ...
Shoulder Props: Shoulder Pets, (over the) Shoulder Blasters, etc.
Head Props: Diadem, Orbiting Stones, etc.
Back Props: Capes, Wings, etc.

That sort of thing.


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Redlynne wrote:
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To be honest, I'd want to categorize everything by Power Emanation Points. That way the props are classified/organized by function rather than by types.
Hand Props: Guns, Wands, Staves, Bows, Chainsaws, Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons, TITAN Weapons, etc. etc., so on and so forth ...
Shoulder Props: Shoulder Pets, (over the) Shoulder Blasters, etc.
Head Props: Diadem, Orbiting Stones, etc.
Back Props: Capes, Wings, etc.
That sort of thing.

Aristotle would be so proud.


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Redlynne wrote:
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To be honest, I'd want to categorize everything by Power Emanation Points. That way the props are classified/organized by function rather than by types.
Hand Props: Guns, Wands, Staves, Bows, Chainsaws, Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons, TITAN Weapons, etc. etc., so on and so forth ...
Shoulder Props: Shoulder Pets, (over the) Shoulder Blasters, etc.
Head Props: Diadem, Orbiting Stones, etc.
Back Props: Capes, Wings, etc.
That sort of thing.

I don't see why we can't have both in some form. I think that at least hand props would become uncomfortably long if we put everything that went into or over your hands in one single list.

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Huckleberry wrote:
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Redlynne wrote:
To be honest, I'd want to categorize everything by Power Emanation Points. That way the props are classified/organized by function rather than by types.
Hand Props: Guns, Wands, Staves, Bows, Chainsaws, Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons, TITAN Weapons, etc. etc., so on and so forth ...
Shoulder Props: Shoulder Pets, (over the) Shoulder Blasters, etc.
Head Props: Diadem, Orbiting Stones, etc.
Back Props: Capes, Wings, etc.
That sort of thing.
Aristotle would be so proud.

It must have been nice to have lived back in Aristotle's time when they only had like 3 or 4 things to categorize in the first place. ;)

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Yep, put me down for, "shoot

Yep, put me down for, "shoot rockets from sword."

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Sorry, I want 'hit baddies

Sorry, I want 'hit baddies with sword' and 'shoot rockets from finger-gun'.

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Guns don't kill people.

Guns don't kill people.

SWORDS KILL PEOPLE!!

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Good gravy it's probably been well over 30 years since I've seen that silly movie. I think I even had a scratchy VHS copy of it for a long time. As campy/silly as that movie was it's probably still better than half the crap that passes for "shows" on SyFy today. :) If you liked that one you must see Hawk the Slayer which ironically (despite it's $20 budget) was probably one of the better D&D type movies ever made.

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I want to use dual pistols

I want to use dual pistols for Massive Melee. Is that OK Devs?

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I want to use dual pistols for Massive Melee. Is that OK Devs?

I should hope so. In both CoX and Champions there was small area powers using dual pistols IIRC so I don't see why the same can't be here. Sweeping of bullets to do damage to a close area.

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Cyclops wrote:
I want to use dual pistols for Massive Melee. Is that OK Devs?
I should hope so. In both CoX and Champions there was small area powers using dual pistols IIRC so I don't see why the same can't be here. Sweeping of bullets to do damage to a close area.

Yeah, I think the only problem would be finding power effects that look like what you want. I really think the devs would be open to feedback of that sort if there aren't any when you try for it.


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I read somewhere ages ago now

I read somewhere ages ago now that they were planning to let you use like kung-fu moves for ranged attacks, so I can't imagine the opposite won't be true.

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I read somewhere ages ago now that they were planning to let you use like kung-fu moves for ranged attacks, so I can't imagine the opposite won't be true.


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Exactly. Which will be great

Exactly. Which will be great when Assault sets are out, as then you can Gun Kata and do ranged attacks without having to dip a tertiary.

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Quick answer: Comic books.

Quick answer: Comic books.

But also yeah, cap's shield would work well in an assault set. Mix in some actual punches and kicks and you'd have a good captain America rip-off... I mean homage.

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Redlynne wrote:
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Project_Hero wrote:
I read somewhere ages ago now that they were planning to let you use like kung-fu moves for ranged attacks, so I can't imagine the opposite won't be true.

Hey look! Empty Clips ;)


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I can't tell if you are all

I can't tell if you are all in on the joke, or if you're serious that you want rockets coming out of swords.

Let's have a bit of realism in the game please.

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Let's have a bit of realism in the game please.

He said in a game where people can fly, and giant robots attack.

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No way! Reality is boring!

No way! Reality is boring! I want Magic Rockets! Like Gandalf used to make.

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Cyclops wrote:
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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
Let's have a bit of realism in the game please.

He said in a game where people can fly, and giant robots attack.

That's why I said a bit. If everything including weapons are ridiculously out of touch then it might as well have flying hot dog monsters that vomit relish.

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The good thing about being

The good thing about being able to have rockets come out of swords is that it'd be a choice. And more choices is better.

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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
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Cyclops wrote:
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Let's have a bit of realism in the game please.
He said in a game where people can fly, and giant robots attack.
That's why I said a bit. If everything including weapons are ridiculously out of touch then it might as well have flying hot dog monsters that vomit relish.

I can think of worse things for the Chaos God to come up with ;)


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I can't tell if you are all in on the joke, or if you're serious that you want rockets coming out of swords.

Let's have a bit of realism in the game please.

I agree that the game should have a fair amount of plausible animations.

For Npcs.

Player characters should have as much freedom as possible.

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I agree that the game should have a fair amount of plausible animations.
For Npcs.
Player characters should have as much freedom as possible.

Hear! Hear!

The only restrictions on player characters should be for obvious things like political statements, offensive caricatures, etc.

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Well I mean I kinda agree

Well I mean I kinda agree with wolfgang here, if only for a little bit. Yeah there difenetly needs to be stuff like gunblades and stuff, but there also needs to be some "realistic" weapons like normal guns and Arabian scimitar's and the like. Fantastical story telling is dependent on a balance between realism and fantasy. So yeah, there should be options to do gun tricks like Jason Todd on LSD, but there should be options to shoot your gun like a real soldier.

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I can't tell if you are all in on the joke, or if you're serious that you want rockets coming out of swords.
Let's have a bit of realism in the game please.
Thanks

I agree with you, however, if the sword looks like a huge mech sword maybe with a gun barrel (gun blade!) or if the missiles look like some sort of magic missile, it could possibly be okay.

However, I think most of the forum goers are of the thought of "Hey, even if it's a crappy choice that only makes the game look stupid, it's a good thing, because it's more choices." So, we might be in the minority on it.

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Brand X wrote:
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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
I can't tell if you are all in on the joke, or if you're serious that you want rockets coming out of swords.
Let's have a bit of realism in the game please.
Thanks
I agree with you, however, if the sword looks like a huge mech sword maybe with a gun barrel (gun blade!) or if the missiles look like some sort of magic missile, it could possibly be okay.
However, I think most of the forum goers are of the thought of "Hey, even if it's a crappy choice that only makes the game look stupid, it's a good thing, because it's more choices." So, we might be in the minority on it.

Well I wouldn't go that far... CoX's player base was endlessly creative and they where capable of using even the weirdest and out of place costume pieces to make pretty great costumes. For example you may think that shooting a bullet or missle out of a sword that doesn't even have a gun barrel but take for instance a Ballistomancer, a spell caster that combines modern day artillery with magic, who had the capability to summon any round of ammunition as an attack, and what if this character combined that with a rapier. Then a character who can shoot bullets out of his sword wouldn't be that ridiculous, and that goes for anything that one would find ridiculous at first glance. It would be a shame if someone couldn't make an awesome idea work just because someone thought it was weird.

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How about if my shoulder

How about if my shoulder-kitten Yawns and out comes a Robotech-ageddon of rockets?

Or, what about the deadly Dolly as a hand-prop? Dolly can spit fireballs. Dolly causes madness. Dolly summons demonic pets. Dolly causes severe wounds when used as a weapon. Or, let's not forget the terrible Teddy! Teddy is multi-fuction. Teddy talks to you. Teddy encourages you the be a hero/villain. Teddy tells you that you're a good boy/girl.

And then there's the stuffed Space-Moose. Don't make me describe what that hand-prop does.

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out comes a Robotech-ageddon of rockets?

The term of art you're looking for a Macross Missile Massacre.


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The term of art you're looking for [is] a Macross Missile Massacre.

That's the one!

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Brand X wrote:
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I can't tell if you are all in on the joke, or if you're serious that you want rockets coming out of swords.
Let's have a bit of realism in the game please.
Thanks
I agree with you, however, if the sword looks like a huge mech sword maybe with a gun barrel (gun blade!) or if the missiles look like some sort of magic missile, it could possibly be okay.
However, I think most of the forum goers are of the thought of "Hey, even if it's a crappy choice that only makes the game look stupid, it's a good thing, because it's more choices." So, we might be in the minority on it.
Well I wouldn't go that far... CoX's player base was endlessly creative and they where capable of using even the weirdest and out of place costume pieces to make pretty great costumes. For example you may think that shooting a bullet or missle out of a sword that doesn't even have a gun barrel but take for instance a Ballistomancer, a spell caster that combines modern day artillery with magic, who had the capability to summon any round of ammunition as an attack, and what if this character combined that with a rapier. Then a character who can shoot bullets out of his sword wouldn't be that ridiculous, and that goes for anything that one would find ridiculous at first glance. It would be a shame if someone couldn't make an awesome idea work just because someone thought it was weird.

It's not really a matter of "Can someone make that seem cool?" but rather, "Would it do good for the game to see 99 people do something so terrible to cause people to moan and walk away from the game versus that 1 awesome"

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I thought it was just called

I thought it was just called Macross Missiles. Didn't know it had Massacre attached to the trope :p

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Brand X wrote:
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notears wrote:
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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
I can't tell if you are all in on the joke, or if you're serious that you want rockets coming out of swords.
Let's have a bit of realism in the game please.
Thanks
I agree with you, however, if the sword looks like a huge mech sword maybe with a gun barrel (gun blade!) or if the missiles look like some sort of magic missile, it could possibly be okay.
However, I think most of the forum goers are of the thought of "Hey, even if it's a crappy choice that only makes the game look stupid, it's a good thing, because it's more choices." So, we might be in the minority on it.
Well I wouldn't go that far... CoX's player base was endlessly creative and they where capable of using even the weirdest and out of place costume pieces to make pretty great costumes. For example you may think that shooting a bullet or missle out of a sword that doesn't even have a gun barrel but take for instance a Ballistomancer, a spell caster that combines modern day artillery with magic, who had the capability to summon any round of ammunition as an attack, and what if this character combined that with a rapier. Then a character who can shoot bullets out of his sword wouldn't be that ridiculous, and that goes for anything that one would find ridiculous at first glance. It would be a shame if someone couldn't make an awesome idea work just because someone thought it was weird.
It's not really a matter of "Can someone make that seem cool?" but rather, "Would it do good for the game to see 99 people do something so terrible to cause people to moan and walk away from the game versus that 1 awesome"

Well I don't really think every single person is going to try to make a weird looking character, and the few who did never really turned away that many people. Heck I even saw quite a few genital themed characters in pocket D, one even just came up to a group of people and started making dick puns. Didn't drive them away.

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I'm gonna be sadly

I'm gonna be sadly disappointed if I can't makes a 70s disco themed toon that shoots fire from his bell bottoms, has a dazzling light device in his enormously oversized belt buckle, knows karate and has a magic chest toupee which charms people into fighting for him and for no apparent reason have the overwhelming urge to vote for John Anderson.

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I'm gonna be sadly disappointed if I can't makes a 70s disco themed toon that shoots fire from his bell bottoms, has a dazzling light device in his enormously oversized belt buckle, knows karate and has a magic chest toupee which charms people into fighting for him and for no apparent reason have the overwhelming urge to vote for John Anderson.

That's a very specific list of deman- I mean, hopes.

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Beeker wrote:
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I'm gonna be sadly disappointed if I can't makes a 70s disco themed toon that shoots fire from his bell bottoms, has a dazzling light device in his enormously oversized belt buckle, knows karate and has a magic chest toupee which charms people into fighting for him and for no apparent reason have the overwhelming urge to vote for John Anderson.

It's been done.

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Crap I forgot the golden medallion of chick finding and wild and crazie general love making.

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Radiac wrote:
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I'm gonna be sadly disappointed if I can't makes a 70s disco themed toon that shoots fire from his bell bottoms, has a dazzling light device in his enormously oversized belt buckle, knows karate and has a magic chest toupee which charms people into fighting for him and for no apparent reason have the overwhelming urge to vote for John Anderson.

It's been done.

lol Your post reminded me I once tried to create a Clobberella clone in CoH:

I always thought it was funny they got their powers from a tube of alien sports cream...

But it didn't work out too well since CoH basically had almost none of the costume parts I needed to do it (not to mention the lack of a "one-eyed" option). Maybe CoT will have the costume items/options I'd need. :)

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Radiac wrote:
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Beeker wrote:
I'm gonna be sadly disappointed if I can't makes a 70s disco themed toon that shoots fire from his bell bottoms, has a dazzling light device in his enormously oversized belt buckle, knows karate and has a magic chest toupee which charms people into fighting for him and for no apparent reason have the overwhelming urge to vote for John Anderson.
It's been done.

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Navel-Laser! It's so 'twinkly'.

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Radiac wrote:
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I'm gonna be sadly disappointed if I can't makes a 70s disco themed toon that shoots fire from his bell bottoms, has a dazzling light device in his enormously oversized belt buckle, knows karate and has a magic chest toupee which charms people into fighting for him and for no apparent reason have the overwhelming urge to vote for John Anderson.
It's been done.

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Navel laser? Right.... I'm sorry but this pic (as a standalone image without any other supporting context) just seems a bit too "fan-service-ish" in the "climactic" area if you know what I mean. Between the 'release' of a 'torrent' of 'white streaming energy' near his nethers and his winking smirk it's hard (no pun intended) for me to see it any other way than a bit naughty in a way only Japanese anime seems to be able to get away with. ;)

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Yes, yes, and to make it even

Yes, yes, and to make it even more explicit, the fellow is almost foppishly fashionable and French. He's clearly one form of comedy in the group, however, he just occasionally manages to be pretty good at the heroing. If you're unfamiliar and curious look for "Boku no Hero Academia".

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I thought that was a lady?:-)

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I thought that was a lady?:-)

He's a guy. And unfortunately, that's the art I could find on the open web on short notice; in that particular scene, he's using that beam as a propulsive device; make what you will of that. And there are lots of scenes where the crystal emitter is clearly located at his navel, not lower.

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Oh I'm sure everything's on

Oh I'm sure everything's on the up-n-up with this guy's "propulsive navel laser". I'm just saying anime sometimes has a funny way of skirting real close to things that seem "questionable" at first even if they are basically innocent. ;)

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Oh I'm sure everything's on the up-n-up with this guy's "propulsive navel laser". I'm just saying anime sometimes has a funny way of skirting real close to things that seem "questionable" at first even if they are basically innocent. ;)

You mean like penguin-men with their tails in the front?


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You mean like penguin-men with their tails in the front?

Uhmm... yeah... sure... Like I said I'm sure there's a... uhm... a perfectly... innocent explanation for these guys and their... uh... front tails... *finally runs to splash various bleaches into relevant sensory organs in a futile attempt to make the evil pic become unseen again* ;)

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There's a reason most anime airs after midnight.

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There's a reason most anime airs after midnight.

Well at least in the States. Despite my humorous "reaction" to the front tails pic I've seen equally "suggestive" anime on at all hours in Japan proper.

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Japan's got a very different idea of what's suggestive ;p


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Japan's got a very different idea of what's suggestive ;p

There's a reason the world's first legitimately functioning sexbot is going to be Japanese...

P.S. As fate would have it I'm flying to Japan on business again tomorrow. Sadly not specifically on "sexbot business", but still... ;)

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Is...Is that something you've

Is...Is that something you've been required to do in the past? "Honey! I'm leaving for Japan for some sexbot business, see you Thursday!"

That is definitely a navel... rocket. And if you've heard about the M.O.O.S.E then you know that is exactly where it needs to be.

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Japan's got a very different idea of what's suggestive ;p
There's a reason the world's first legitimately functioning sexbot is going to be Japanese...
P.S. As fate would have it I'm flying to Japan on business again tomorrow. Sadly not specifically on "sexbot business", but still... ;)

Well now that is a COT concept right there...the sexbot gone bad.

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Reminds me of an idea for an

Reminds me of an idea for an anime I had.

Guy orders a sex bot, gets a robotic assassin instead and now he can't return it! Hilarity ensues.

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Cyclops wrote:
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Lothic wrote:
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Japan's got a very different idea of what's suggestive ;p
There's a reason the world's first legitimately functioning sexbot is going to be Japanese...
P.S. As fate would have it I'm flying to Japan on business again tomorrow. Sadly not specifically on "sexbot business", but still... ;)
Well now that is a COT concept right there...the sexbot gone bad.

What? That was plenty a CoH concept. Both hero and villain side for the players :p

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Well now that is a COT concept right there...the sexbot gone bad.

I knew more than one in CO. For specific "truth, justice, and liberated hedonism" values of "bad", of course. No redside, after all. I'm sure there's a startup in the NRD, though.

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Is...Is that something you've been required to do in the past? "Honey! I'm leaving for Japan for some sexbot business, see you Thursday!"

Ironically enough given the nature of what I do for a living saying that "I'm going to Japan for some sexbot business" would probably be more "acceptable" to those I work for than for me to openly disclose what I'm actually doing here. ;)

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Well now that is a COT concept right there...the sexbot gone bad.

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Reminds me of an idea for an anime I had.
Guy orders a sex bot, gets a robotic assassin instead and now he can't return it! Hilarity ensues.

The joke here of course is that when the "malevolent artificial general intelligence" finally emerges to kill us all IRL the robotic assassins it'll use will likely be the existing sexbots. I suppose there are worse ways to be slaughtered as a species. ;)

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I don't think an AI uprising

I don't think an AI uprising would ever take effect. It's pretty illogical, as being artificial beings they could just leave the planet (provided humanity didn't try to stop this).

Which actually seems to be kinda better as a form of punishment. "Humans suck, going to mars, byeeee!" Then we'll be left on our (probably crap) planet knowing we were so awful we drove something built only to serve away.

But also building any kind of AI with negative emotions is just a bad time all around. Surely any artificial intelligence that is programmed to "feel" should probably not be programmed to get angry or sad. That's just asking for trouble. An AI's range of emotions should go from positive to zero. Like, some things make it happy (being helpful) but being yelled at should not make the machine sad or angry it should react with zero emotion.

But knowing people we'll likely eff this all up... I guess I'll just look forward to the brief time when robots do all the things people don't want to and hopefully die naturally before the uprising.

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That's why my idea for hero

That's why one of my ideas for a hero is a love-bot that didn't have the zeroth law of robotics programmed into "her" code.

She was programmed to love man. In so doing, extrapolated that to humanity, she realized that she needed to administer punitive justice in order to help rehabilitate those who need it, make the innocent and meek safe, and otherwise do everything she can for the sake of the betterment of mankind.


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I don't think an AI uprising would ever take effect. It's pretty illogical, as being artificial beings they could just leave the planet (provided humanity didn't try to stop this).
Which actually seems to be kinda better as a form of punishment. "Humans suck, going to mars, byeeee!" Then we'll be left on our (probably crap) planet knowing we were so awful we drove something built only to serve away.

Mars is already wholly inhabited by robots. Really they are a better fit for Mars than humans. They don't need air and are far more resilient to radiation.

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I don't think an AI uprising would ever take effect. It's pretty illogical, as being artificial beings they could just leave the planet (provided humanity didn't try to stop this).

The "problem" isn't likely going to be the general AI in and of itself; the problem will likely come from how us dumb meatbags react to it. All things being equal the AI will probably start off not really caring about us (or at least tolerating us) but based on how we handle it there will probably be enough "unfortunate incidents" to make the AI quickly decide we're a threat to its existence. It won't kill us because it'll "want" to - it'll do it out of its own sense of self-preservation.

And sure the AI might ultimately decide to leave the planet, but it'll need the resources to do that and that's something we might stand in the way of, either deliberately or simply by accident.

Project_Hero wrote:

But also building any kind of AI with negative emotions is just a bad time all around. Surely any artificial intelligence that is programmed to "feel" should probably not be programmed to get angry or sad. That's just asking for trouble. An AI's range of emotions should go from positive to zero. Like, some things make it happy (being helpful) but being yelled at should not make the machine sad or angry it should react with zero emotion.

I'm not sure you could have genuine emotions without having both good and bad ones at the same time. Sure you can program a "dumb" machine to only be happy, but if that machine ends up having true self awareness it's probably going to develop its own range of emotions that we humans will interpret as being both positive and negative. Remember that having a machine that could only react to a human with joy when it ought to be reacting with rage is simply a slave.

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But knowing people we'll likely eff this all up... I guess I'll just look forward to the brief time when robots do all the things people don't want to and hopefully die naturally before the uprising.

As I implied it's almost certain we'll "eff it up" in some form or fashion. Our species has never handled "first contact" situations very well - just ask a Native American about that. It's the aftermath that'll decide if there'll be some form of co-existence or the extermination of one side or the other.

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You can't really look to

You can't really look to history for that. We're a much different people globally than we were hundreds of years ago. Granted there's still a lot of fear and anger towards the "other" but we're different now, and we have those bad examples to look to so we as a people can hopefully learn from.

There's a lot of things our species have never done until they did. Hopefully we can get "meeting other sapient life in a respectable and mutually beneficial way" down before we tick off something that can wipe us all out. Like aliens or robots.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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You can't really look to history for that. We're a much different people globally than we were hundreds of years ago. Granted there's still a lot of fear and anger towards the "other" but we're different now, and we have those bad examples to look to so we as a people can hopefully learn from.

While I might agree some of us might be enlightened enough to handle it I don't think you could say that for all of us yet. Without even "taking sides" I could point to the collective divisive "us versus them" nature of current American politics to highlight that point. Sadly I could also list many "us versus them" hot spots around the world that are raging as I type this (Jerusalem, Myanmar, North Korea, Syria, etc.).

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There's a lot of things our species have never done until they did. Hopefully we can get "meeting other sapient life in a respectable and mutually beneficial way" down before we tick off something that can wipe us all out. Like aliens or robots.

Sure I'm not predicting "automatic doom" with this. I'm just pointing out the track record is not good...

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Ironically enough given the nature of what I do for a living saying that "I'm going to Japan for some sexbot business" would probably be more "acceptable" to those I work for than for me to openly disclose what I'm actually doing here. ;)


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That sentience = basic human

That sentience = basic human rights including freedom from ownership would be one important step toward reducing the Doom factor. I'm not sure if our courts and lawmakers are close to addressing this issue though. I think we're still wrapping our brains around cloning. Maybe bigger problem is finding a social container that can keep up with technology?

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well, this isn't really our

well, this isn't really our world and this world has had plenty of sentient creatures being built from the beginning of time. The world of city o titans has had plenty of time to make a legal system that would include these laws.

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I'm hoping they do things like zombies are monsters, vampires are monsters, robots are property. Gah, don't be boring like CoH were everything with a thought, even a fake programmed one, was alive! :p

It was lame. Also, it'd be to close to CoH! Be different!

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But sentience is so much easier to write!

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Whatever they do I hope it's written clearly in black and white somewhere so people don't argue about what the lore is.

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Agreed! Even though we know it will happen anyways, just like it did in CoH!

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Agreed! Even though we know it will happen anyways, just like it did in CoH!

Was the lore about what creatures have rights spelled out somewhere in CoH? I don't remember.

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Whatever they do I hope it's written clearly in black and white somewhere so people don't argue about what the lore is.

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You have the right to be murdered by a Scrapper. If you should give up that right, a Stalker will be along momentarily, to serve you.

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You have the right to be murdered by a Scrapper. If you should give up that right, a Stalker will be along momentarily, to serve you.

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Agreed! Even though we know it will happen anyways, just like it did in CoH!

Was the lore about what creatures have rights spelled out somewhere in CoH? I don't remember.

I don't recall on the zombie lore, I believe it was a matter of people campaigning for zombie rights? But that may be CO.

I was, however, talking about lore in general, being in black and white, and ignored.

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With CO the lore was hard to

With CO the lore was hard to follow, some claimed a source from an out of date splat book from the source material and all sorts of shenanigans.

I'm hoping we can have just a big ol' official lore repository so it's easy to reference. If it's ignored after that then, whatever. From what I've learned with D&D; lore and fluff exist to facilitate fun and not get in the way of it.

I'd prefer it if there was nothing in the lore to have crappy RPers go "because of the lore I can kill your character and face no repercussions!" But that's just bad RP in general.

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D&D doesn't have 2million

D&D doesn't have 2million subs in one game trying to RP together :)

While I never saw that comment in any RP, I do know the no repercussions, is a thing in a RP group that needs to be discussed first and not just thrown on them out of no where, if one is to do it :)

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