Beeker wrote:

So I can't shoot zombies without legal consequences in CO? I'm probably in a lot of trouble...

I think there's laws about messing up dead bodies which have no exceptions for if said corpse is trying to eat you :P

All joking aside I think the thing in CO requires the applicant to be shown to be of human level intelligence, and I mean if you saw a zombie throw it's hands up and plead with you then I should hope, as a hero, that would cause at least hesitation to setting the thing on fire or whatever.

If you're a villain then the legal status of anything probably isn't a hurdle.

It'd be nice to know if you get hit with some kind of cosmic ray that turns your body into pure energy that you'd keep all the rights you had beforehand. Same as if you got turned into some sort of monstrosity. In a world that can and will presumably grant rights to aliens and beings from other dimensions it stands to reason that this would apply to any that can show up and prove that it's a free thinking individual (or hive mind).

In short anything you can hold a proper conversation with should probably be able to be given rights in a super society. Or if someone else can prove that a creature is human enough to qualify.

Brand X wrote:

While I would agree, I do believe they'd show no such treatment to creatures who feed on you...zombies and vampires coming to mind.

Yeah, but then they're breaking other laws. Assault, etc. Then they're a villain (or at least a criminal). If for a vampire some one volunteers blood for them there's no real problem. If said vampire gets blood from a blood bank, or buys it from a butcher or something there's no problem.

All in how it's handled and how the being in question behaves.

Brand X wrote:

Possibly, but I believe they would have such things as "No causing others to be like you."

Sorta similar to how Tony said "They don't want to give citizenship to a walking WMD" in regards to Wanda and her being from another country.

"You turned them into a vampire! You're going down!" "They wanted it!" "They then went crazy and killed people, why it's a against the law!" "There's chances they won't..." "Yet, it's not likely at all, hence why it's a against the law."

:p Just wouldn't be legal.

"You going down for feeding off those kids!" "They volunteered!" "We don't care!"

What if those others consented to becoming vampires? If they follow the law there wouldn't be any real problem. May be something that should be kept an eye on though. As a secret vampire army is a bad thing. In general I agree, but on the other hand I can see the argument against.

And yeah, having a super powered being with dangerous powers becoming a citizen of your country could make said country look bad. Keeping her not a citizen means they don't really have to be responsible for her actions. She still, as far as I know, has the same rights as any other immigrant though.

In the case of folks going crazy by turning that'd be like criminal negligence or something. The vamp in question knew that such a thing was possible and didn't take the proper precautions to prevent the bad parts. Legality of such a thing is up to the courts and lawyers.

The kids point doesn't really work. Kids can't give consent in the eyes of the law, so no matter what a vampire preying on children would be a bad time. Which if a vampire wants to be an upstanding member of society they probably wouldn't do that.

This whole discussion does raise an interesting question. In a world where vampires, monsters, and other such things don't have rights as humans do... What if someone gets turned into one against their will? Suddenly they have no rights in the eyes of the law, and presumably can be killed with no repercussions, even if all they want to do is just get on with their life or if they can get turned back.

A difficult issue to be sure. But I feel the general attitude towards it should be prove you're human enough, don't cause trouble and you should be fine.

This discussion reminds me of [url=https://www.amazon.com/Bite-Me-Easy-Nights-Wearing-ebook/dp/B009ITELVI]Artemis[/url] and efforts to avoid the vampire apocalypse in the Wearing The Cape 'verse.

jtpaull wrote:

Brand X wrote:

D&D doesn't have 2million subs in one game trying to RP together :)

Unfortunately not. I wish there was a good enough game that could get all 2 million* of us together. That would be of epic proportions.

Hey now. I'm being hopeful with CoT ;)

Wanda still has all the rights of an immigrant in the US. I doubt anyone could shoot her in the head without facing legal repercussions. Armed and dangerous criminals and people still have rights.

A vampire feeding on a child would be either assault or child abuse. So not legal regardless of the rights of the vampire.

You need to grant consent for more things than sexual things.

No the government wouldn't legalize people becoming cattle. But if the vampire feeding on someone has no other effects than the blood loss of the other individual then that wouldn't be an issue. It depends on how vampires work in whatever lore they're in. And with the ability to go to a butcher shop and buy animal blood, or brains, a vampire or zombie (as long as they specifically don't need human blood and brains) could live comfortably and within the law without issue.

And the dead have some rights. Desecration of a corpse is illegal, for example. Which as I pointed out earlier in the thread holds no exceptions for if said corpse is trying to attack you.

So in short as long as an undead monster isn't doing anything illegal they should be able to exist within society with no problem.

She wasn't held there by any government or institution. Iron Man wanted to keep her there until the public backlash died down. The Avengers weren't exactly within the law with a lot of stuff they were doing.

A child isn't able to give consent. Removing the blood from a child is likely not very legal. I'd guess it'd fall under assault or child abuse. If a kid said you could eat their finger and you cut one off and ate it, likely that would be a crime. I figure the same would be true for a vampire feeding on a child. The exact charges that would be laid against the vampire I'm not sure of child abuse or assault are just my best guesses.

Likely a consensual feeding wouldn't take place in public like how most people who are into S&M keep their more violent stuff behind closed doors. Any vampire engaging in a public feeding, consensual or otherwise, is an idiot.

If someone was a normal person before getting vamped and just wanted to continue their life despite their new condition it's kinda terrible to suddenly deny them their rights just because they have a change in diet (which presumably they'd be able to take care of without preying on people) and a lack of pulse.

And yeah on the attacking corpse thing. It was a joke. But seriously corpses have some rights.

Nyxz wrote:

Project_Hero wrote:

And yeah on the attacking corpse thing. It was a joke. But seriously corpses have some rights.

Well, yeah. In most jurisdictions there are already laws on the books that make it a crime to beat up (or interfere w/) corpses.

Correct. Such are the things I was speaking of.

That is a very good question. By all medical standards the being in question would likely be dead, no pulse, no brain activity (presumably), etc. Yet it would walk about and likely tell you that they feel fine.

In any setting where such a thing actually happens and exists likely they'd have the definition of undead in a legal and medical sense.

Which circles back to the question of what rights should/would undead have in such a setting if they can prove they are human enough and will follow laws?

My stance is give them rights by the lore of the setting just to prevent people being jerks about it.

I don't even remember how this thread got onto this topic. This is a thread for props.

Not criticising the fact, mostly because I was a major contributor to the derailment, just kinda noticed it.

Hey, those are obviously minions. We can see your mouth move when they talk! Get out of here Dr. Ven-killo-quist!

Has meat cleaver been requested?

Meat Cleaver :p

A book as a weapon :) Not a book to slap people lol
A living book that floats around a hand and which opens, pages turning quickly, when the power is launched (throwing kunais, knifes, spikes of ice, light beam, wind, etc) with a glowing effect depending of which power is launched. It's also an emission point and would have different states as it's a power towards ennemies or myself or allies.
That could be a great weapon i would use for my mystic girl :)

A dart gun and an aoe option with multiple needles.
Tendrils made out of a variety of textures (cloth, metal, carpets, goo etc).
Hair with a variety of styles and emanation points- jewelry, fruitbasket, braids, other decorative yet potentially lethal arrangements, etc.
Kitchen / office appliances that are part of a costume. (sidebar ideas- copy machine that clones paper minions, juice machine that spews poison or buffs..., paper clip holdholder turned into a makeshift railgun).
Farming implements.
Shoes that look awesome and do magical and amazing things (Walk on ceilings, spill/leaks soap suds to trip people, teleporting, laces / icons that trip, hold or blast..., spikes, springs for superjump/acrcobatics).
A variety of bags that can be placed in a variety of places that can be reached into to obtain a variety of weapons, effects, minions etc. A bag that sucks in the opponent and teleports/empties them or holds them, or teleports the hero.
A rocket that shoots swords.