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What is this thread...

What is this thread...

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Well it seems to be related

Well it seems to be related to how MWM will define continents.

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Yeah it does seem to have ..

Yeah it does seem to have ...drifted... a bit.

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Wait until you see the... nope, that would ruin the surprise.

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This discussion has become

This discussion has become incontinent.

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But it was an amusing

But it was an amusing interlude as I read a Fiennes autobiography.

(I'm now going onto another Fiennes book, The Feather Men, but the only Fiennes in the cast list of the movie version was the author, played by Dion Mills....)

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JWBullfrog wrote:
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Yeah it does seem to have ...drifted... a bit.

It's part of the big reveal of our newst faction:

The Pangean Reunifcation Front! (Otherwise known as the world's most pointless terrorist organization).

Time *is* on their side, though.

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Lol, I'm in favor :p

Lol, I'm in favor :p


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Beamrider wrote:
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It's part of the big reveal of our newst faction:

The Pangean Reunifcation Front! (Otherwise known as the world's most pointless terrorist organization).

Time *is* on their side, though.

What did Pangea ever do for us?

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Cinnder wrote:
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Beamrider wrote:

It's part of the big reveal of our newst faction:

The Pangean Reunifcation Front! (Otherwise known as the world's most pointless terrorist organization).

Time *is* on their side, though.

What did Pangea ever do for us?

Get it? Pangea was a 'splitter'... ;)

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OOooh, getting excited...

OOooh, getting excited... again....

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If you want precise numbers,

If you want precise numbers, last I checked we had people in eighteen different countries. Would need to double check due to recent influxes.

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We ought to make a chart :)

We ought to make a chart :) Anonymized of course.

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How about a color-coded map

How about a color-coded map :p


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Terwyn wrote:
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If you want precise numbers, last I checked we had people in eighteen different countries. Would need to double check due to recent influxes.

I just wanted to know which continents, but that would be cool also.

Spurn all ye kindle.

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Beamrider wrote:
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Yeah it does seem to have ...drifted... a bit.

It's part of the big reveal of our newst faction:

The Pangean Reunifcation Front! (Otherwise known as the world's most pointless terrorist organization).

Their battle cry: "Let's get it together!"

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This looks like a job for SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!!!!

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If you want precise numbers, last I checked we had people in eighteen different countries. Would need to double check due to recent influxes.

I just wanted to know which continents, but that would be cool also.

The three most prominent countries in which we have people are the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom, comprising a total of about two thirds of our total body of volunteers. What is most interesting is that the closest American to me is Warcabbit, and we determined fairly early on by swapping family legend that we're cousins of a sort (closest shared relative that we have positively identified was born in the 1680s).

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Terwyn wrote:
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The three most prominent countries in which we have people are the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom, comprising a total of about two thirds of our total body of volunteers. What is most interesting is that the closest American to me is Warcabbit, and we determined fairly early on by swapping family legend that we're cousins of a sort (closest shared relative that we have positively identified was born in the 1680s).

That's interesting. Who knew this project to reunite a dispersed 'family' would actually connect you with family you didn't know you had?

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Terwyn wrote:
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If you want precise numbers, last I checked we had people in eighteen different countries. Would need to double check due to recent influxes.

I just wanted to know which continents, but that would be cool also.

The three most prominent countries in which we have people are the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom, comprising a total of about two thirds of our total body of volunteers. What is most interesting is that the closest American to me is Warcabbit, and we determined fairly early on by swapping family legend that we're cousins of a sort (closest shared relative that we have positively identified was born in the 1680s).

Wow that's pretty cool!

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Terwyn wrote:
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If you want precise numbers, last I checked we had people in eighteen different countries. Would need to double check due to recent influxes.

I just wanted to know which continents, but that would be cool also.

The three most prominent countries in which we have people are the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom, comprising a total of about two thirds of our total body of volunteers. What is most interesting is that the closest American to me is Warcabbit, and we determined fairly early on by swapping family legend that we're cousins of a sort (closest shared relative that we have positively identified was born in the 1680s).

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Terwyn wrote:
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If you want precise numbers, last I checked we had people in eighteen different countries. Would need to double check due to recent influxes.

Influxes are good! Hopefully with limited outflux?

With the video game labor strife's I have read about, COT should pinch some talent.

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I'm probably late to the

I'm probably late to the whole continent discussion, but I can imagine all that ice and water definitely had a play in how the earth beneath it all looks via the power of erosion. :P

On topic: Glad you guys are sorting things out for new players. And it gives me something to link to strangers and friends alike if they want to know more. :D

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For the record, Terwyn,

For the record, Terwyn, Warcabbit, and I all have strong Scottish ancestry. We haven't checked as closely with me but there is a chance I may also be a distant cousin. For the record I'm Scots, Irish, German, Swiss, and possibly Native American in my ancestry. I think the other two may share some of the same kind of ancestry as well.

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I've got a mess of genes from

I've got a mess of genes from Europe, predominantly German and British, with, according to my maternal grandfather, a dose of Cherokee from his paternal grandfather, who was with the 8th Missouri State Militia Cavalry at a place called Lone Jack, outside of Kansas City. No report as to whether or not he met Rooster Cogburn there. ^_^

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ElegantHope wrote:
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I'm probably late to the whole continent discussion, but I can imagine all that ice and water definitely had a play in how the earth beneath it all looks via the power of erosion. :P

Agreed.

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On topic: Glad you guys are sorting things out for new players. And it gives me something to link to strangers and friends alike if they want to know more. :D

Agreed again!

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Well, I too have a very broad

Well, I too have a very broad ancestry.
With Moroccan, Berber, Swiss, Austrian, Italian and Czech blood in my veins, I am definitely on the exotic spectrum ;P

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*reads article and sees Epic*

*reads article and sees Epic*
Why the **** are you with Epic??!

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Hyperbolt wrote:
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*reads article and sees Epic*
Why the **** are you with Epic??!

A quote from Avel on a Youtube Channel that was assuming this very thing:

"City of Titans/Missing Worlds Media is NOT partnered with Epic. We have a license for the Unreal 4 engine and that's all. A partnership was most certainly not stated in our recent announcement/FAQ. Our FAQ only explained that we could not release certain types of content due to the terms of that license. Our license requires any release to our testers or to the general public must be in the form of a game named "City Of Titans". We specifically have stated that Issue #0 (which is barely an alpha release) will only have the avatar builder, a chat zone, and a play test area called "The Island". You may have a license to use Windows. Does that mean you are in partnership with Microsoft? Certainly not. How do I know all this? I'm the guy who informed the PR department of the our licensing terms and went over their release before it was published."

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Ok that makes sense now,

Ok that makes sense now, (sighs in relief) but why is a license for U4 connected with Epic? Do they own the engine?

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Hyperbolt wrote:
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Ok that makes sense now, (sighs in relief) but why is a license for U4 connected with Epic? Do they own the engine?

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Hyperbolt wrote:
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Ok that makes sense now, (sighs in relief) but why is a license for U4 connected with Epic? Do they own the engine?

The simple answer to that is yes, they own the engine. It's literally spelled out in the first sentence of the wiki. ;)

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Also, while it may be popular

Also, while it may be popular to hate on Epic, deserves or not, as adopters of their engine, they have been nothing but courteous and helpful over the years to us.

There have been times where we struggled, they have helped. There were times when we were having issues with the engine and trying to wrangle with it to do something we needed to work, we go to Epic, and the end up making it a feature in the engine. As far as their team working on the engine goes, Epic lived up to its.name.


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Okay why are we hating on

Okay why are we hating on Epic?

I find Fortnite pretty insufferable, but what have they done to deserve shoot-on-sight status?


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DesViper wrote:
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Okay why are we hating on Epic?

I find Fortnite pretty insufferable, but what have they done to deserve shoot-on-sight status?

Their store is getting a lot of the bad press from gamers, especially those partial to Steam. I can't comment on how accurate it actually is.

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Well if we're not going to

Well if we're not going to have a publicly owned platform, Steam needs competition to keep it honest.

But yeah, I've not spent a cent on the Epic store so I can't say, nor have I seen a game I liked exclusive to it.


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DesViper wrote:
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Okay why are we hating on Epic?

I find Fortnite pretty insufferable, but what have they done to deserve shoot-on-sight status?

https://www.polygon.com/2019/4/5/18295833/epic-games-store-controversy-e...
https://kotaku.com/why-people-are-so-mad-about-the-epic-games-store-1833...

Gamers aren't happy about Epic getting developers to release their games exclusively on Epic's store (so that you literally can't buy them anywhere else), when their store has so many issues. For one thing, the store/client harvests Steam information without asking permission. Epic admitted that their client was in fact doing that but claimed it was a mistake, and was caused by a "rush to implement social features in the early days of Fortnite". For another, again because of their rush to get the client pushed out so quickly it's lacking a ton of features that other platforms like Steam and Origin have made standard now.

Another reason why gamers are angry is because some of the games snatched up exclusively were crowd-funded (like City of Titans was) and during the funding drives there were promises that the games would be released on multiple platforms. Then, suddenly they are only available on Epic. One example is Outer Wilds, where they have to apologize to their backers because of it. Another such game was Phoenix Point. You can blame the developers for going back on promises but some people blame Epic for basically bribing the developers with enough cash that they couldn't turn down the offers.

Another controversy came when Epic created a "megasale" to compete with Steam. Paradox Games, whose game Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2 was on the Epic store, pulled their title just after the sale began. It turns out that Epic forgot to inform Paradox about the sale, and Paradox wasn't fine with their game suddenly being available for a major discount. Even though Epic was taking the discount out of their own pockets, and developers would make the same money from sales with or without the discount, Paradox didn't like the idea that suddenly the game's price was changing (even temporarily) which might hurt how gamers would perceive the value of the game.

https://kotaku.com/publishers-pull-their-games-from-epics-store-during-i...
https://www.pcgamer.com/bloodlines-2-oxygen-not-included-removed-from-ep...
https://www.resetera.com/threads/paradox-removed-vampire-the-masquerade-...

Oxygen Not Included was another game pulled from the store at the same time. No reason was given for that title being pulled but speculation is that it was for a similar reason that Paradox pulled Vampire.

All of these mistakes with the Epic store and client have given it a poor reputation among many gamers. I myself don't really care very much... I have the Epic client installed and I have a bunch of free games through it, all of which are pretty great (Subnautica is my favorite so far) and the controversies haven't bothered me.

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ngl, those all sound like dev

ngl, those all sound like dev problems.... All I see from Epic is aggressive expansion, and that's not new.

Anywho, City of Titans is definitely not going to be Epic exclusive.


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Im curious though...Epic has

Im curious though...Epic has what....85m+ players using Epics launcher? That'd be some amazing marketing. Even if they have to be exclusive and give up a certain percentage...those numbers would likely more than make up for it.

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not aggressive enough :p

not aggressive enough :p Shareholders will only be happy with 1B players. then 1.5B the next year!


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Im curious. The update says

Im curious. The update says "First, our current license with Epic prevents us from publicly releasing something other than a complete release. No playable demos with incomplete features, unfortunately. It’s also why we can’t just release the Avatar Builder for people to play with. That’s part of why Issue 0 is so important!"

How isn't Issue #0 a playable demo with incomplete features? There won't be leveling, experience, combat, missions, story, trade, loot, etc etc etc. How are you justifying it as a 'complete release' when its missing everything that makes it a game?

All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.

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Im curious. The update says "First, our current license with Epic prevents us from publicly releasing something other than a complete release. No playable demos with incomplete features, unfortunately. It’s also why we can’t just release the Avatar Builder for people to play with. That’s part of why Issue 0 is so important!"

How isn't Issue #0 a playable demo with incomplete features? There won't be leveling, experience, combat, missions, story, trade, loot, etc etc etc. How are you justifying it as a 'complete release' when its missing everything that makes it a game?

While I cannot go into specifics, there are certain bits we must include in order for anything released to be considered part of the same game, and not a standalone product. That's really all there is to it. Issue #0 will have those parts. A completely standalone costume builder would not fall under the same category in general, so we prefer being upfront about it. While yes, we could mislead you, and release a "costume builder" which does include the needed bits without telling you, we're not going to do that, and instead label it what it is, a feature incomplete version which will be patched to be feature complete over time. This is also why a "demo" would not be the correct term either, as a proper demonstration build is not intended to be upgraded by a final version later on. Again, this is why we use the term Issue #0, to make it clear that what we are releasing will be upgraded over time.

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Thanks for the clarification

Thanks for the clarification Doctor Tyche.
By the way, Is there any news coming soon? Like today or tomorrow?

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Thanks for the clarification Doctor Tyche.
By the way, Is there any news coming soon? Like today or tomorrow?

We often get updates on Thursdays/Fridays, so I would say to keep your eyes peeled on MWM's social media platforms (Facebook/Twitter) and on the forums. I don't know if the news we'll get is the news your looking for, but only time will tell!

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this is not the update you're

this is not the update you're looking for but we do have a new quick post

https://cityoftitans.com/forum/one-shot-tech-milestone-reached

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JWBullfrog wrote:
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this is not the update you're looking for but we do have a new quick post

https://cityoftitans.com/forum/one-shot-tech-milestone-reached

That's awesome news, congrats to everyone and thank you for sharing! On a side note, you do mention to comment below your post for discussion but the thread appears to be locked.

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JWBullfrog wrote:
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this is not the update you're looking for but we do have a new quick post

https://cityoftitans.com/forum/one-shot-tech-milestone-reached

Progress is always great to hear.

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Pearly wrote:
Pearly wrote:
JWBullfrog wrote:

this is not the update you're looking for but we do have a new quick post

https://cityoftitans.com/forum/one-shot-tech-milestone-reached

That's awesome news, congrats to everyone and thank you for sharing! On a side note, you do mention to comment below your post for discussion but the thread appears to be locked.

Should be fixed now.

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