please put another kickstarter on your webpage like star citizen

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please put another kickstarter on your webpage like star citizen

I didn't hear about this until too late to get in on kickstarter please strt a kickstarter on your web page please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I wanna help I had 16 level

I wanna help I had 16 level 50s on coh cov and id really like to be apart of helping to build the new community I think a kickstarter on the webpge would help to allow all the goals to be met by launch

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You mean you want some way to

You mean you want some way to donate/pledge money to the project. not another kickstarter. :P

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They may open up another way

They may open up another way to donate, but yeah, another kickstarter is out of the question, that's bad PR

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that sounds fair I just know

that sounds fair I just know that in star citizen the website donations still give you the perks that were given in thier kickstarter and they have reached a pretty nice amount of money contionuing the donations through there webpage 27 million.id really like to see COT start out with that much :)

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But that's also unfair to

But that's also unfair to people who were around from the begining and scrounged to get stuff bought by end of the KS, if I knew things like mogul (and other KS exclusives) would be again buy able, what's the point in doing them in the KS....

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But that's also unfair to people who were around from the begining and scrounged to get stuff bought by end of the KS, if I knew things like mogul (and other KS exclusives) would be again buy able, what's the point in doing them in the KS....

Because it looked good for the MWM folks to be able to say "we raised over twice our funding goal on a Kickstarter campaign". That kind of positive press could lead to getting more investors and volunteer support interested in this game as things progress.

Even though I managed to participate in the Kickstarter I couldn't care less if other people had the chance to give CoT more money in the coming months and years. The idea that the Kickstarter was some kind of "exclusive club" that no one else is allowed to join is the last kind of negative mindset we need to foster around here.

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Whatever happens probably can

Whatever happens probably can't use Kickstarter again. They don't allow fundraising for existing projects--the main reason why Paragon Studios didn't use it.

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Lin Chiao Feng wrote:
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Whatever happens probably can't use Kickstarter again. They don't allow fundraising for existing projects--the main reason why Paragon Studios didn't use it.

Yeah but nothing would stop MWM from organizing some kind of permanent donation page with various items that would mimic what they offered in the Kickstarter and let people use PayPal for it. I'm pretty sure that's what the OP was suggesting with this.

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im saying i want this to be

im saying i want this to be the best damn comic book game ever made and a lot of the old cov coh fans hadent heard about it.at least 3 of my close friends played it for 2 + years and we are all sad we couldn't participate.i only heard about it 3 days befor it ended and didn't get payed till the day after :(

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Lothic wrote:
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Even though I managed to participate in the Kickstarter I couldn't care less if other people had the chance to give CoT more money in the coming months and years. The idea that the Kickstarter was some kind of "exclusive club" that no one else is allowed to join is the last kind of negative mindset we need to foster around here.

Agreed. (though I'll have to take your word for it on the negative mindset list ordering, since I haven't looked through it fully yet :3)

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I'm sure there's a lot of us

I'm sure there's a lot of us who wish we could've pledged more to get to the perk we wanted, and would've if we had more time *wanted Fashionista* But maybe at a later time they'll give similar options...maybe when it goes live...maybe as a contest.

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Brand X wrote:
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I'm sure there's a lot of us who wish we could've pledged more to get to the perk we wanted, and would've if we had more time *wanted Fashionista* But maybe at a later time they'll give similar options...maybe when it goes live...maybe as a contest.

Based on their willingness to let people design their own items now I'd be completely shocked if they never offered another way to do it ever again. Pandora's box appears to be open on this issue now.

It's possible we may have to wait until the game finally launches before another opportunity happens and it's always possible they may decide to make something like that cost more than the Kickstarter perks did. But even if that's the case it'll probably be worth the wait.

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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals Look at that, it speaks for itself, our game could be 1 trillion times better if more people have the chance and motivation to be apart and expand the community. there are no major space emulatror games but all of a sudden this 1 blows up. number 1 reason why was word of mouth and the fact that they gave you incentive to join the community. I say don't limit this to kickstarter if we can reach all the goals easily by launch by doing something similar. I sound bias but I was a hudge fan of vetren rewards and I don't want to be left out bc I found out about the game too late.ive been offline and out of the loop for last 2 years so i didn't find out till late.and i remember cov it was a way of life after work and we had fun and emoted all night and ran strike forces and badge hunted and pvpd all night.and i know there are more out there that if they found out about this they would wanna help out like me :)

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I can only speak for myself,

I can only speak for myself, so take this post with that in mind.

I think a continued funding option like what Star Citizen has would be an excellent idea, and a good way to build a community while bringing in more funding. The continued funding campaign could even offer most of what the Kickstarter offered, and I would be fine with that. However, there are several things marked as "exclusive" or "Kickstarter only" that I believe should only be for Kickstarter backers. As far as I can tell that list is:

($5) The forum title “Kickstarter” (okay, not technically marked as exclusive, but it doesn't make much sense for non-Kickstarter backers to have the title of "Kickstarter")
($25) A Kickstarter only badge and title
($25) An exclusive costume set that will never be available again
($25) A prestige travel power (Possibly a stretch, due to lack of direct "exclusive" wording)
($75) Kickstarter exclusive Phoenix Travel Aura
($30 perk) Kickstarter Edition Phoenix Pet

While giving out those exact same rewards to future backers would certainly leave a bad taste in my mouth, I have absolutely no objection to MWM offering different versions of those things in a continued funding campaign. For example, that list of exclusive items would change to this:

($5) The forum title “Backer”
($25) A different exclusive badge and title
($25) A different exclusive costume set that will never be available again
($25) A different prestige travel power
($75) A different exclusive Travel Aura
($30 perk) A different Phoenix Pet skin

If MWM were really crafty, they could even offer a pledge upgrade for Kickstarter backers, so they could get this different set of exclusive rewards in addition to their Kickstarter rewards. They would likely get (more of) my money that way.

Those are my thoughts on the subject. I believe that setup is the most fair for everyone involved, maintaining exclusivity where promised while not leaving people who were late to the party out in the cold.

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no where did they say that

no where did they say that exclusivity is what they wanted or promised ,they wanted to bring the community back to rebuild a better game.giving special pakages just bc u heard about the game a month sooner isn't fair in most of the people who missed outs eyes. cov and coh want a cult it was a pastime time of wrecking freaks.i had16 level 50s and when i wasn't doing my military thing i was playing coh after work.

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all the exclusive pakages

all the exclusive pakages were just incentive that if u had heard about the game and u knew about the kickstarter they were like hey here you go u help us we help you.but there are many of us who found out little 2 late. if you read they tell you they do not wana be like wow or other giants where you have to no someone or buy things to be better or to have something better then someone else they want a fair acroos the board community that works together. and that's been my message we need another inlet to help and show that kickstarter was only the begging of what we can accomplish

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I've asked this already on

I've asked this already on the KS page, I believe they do plan on adding an option to donate, but they don't have the plans for that laid out yet. Some of the KS things may be re-offered, or offered with some changes, and some they won't be able to re-offer again, as they were listed as KS exclusives.

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Lothic wrote:
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Pandora's box appears to be open on this issue now.

Oh!

Maybe one of the new rewards could be 'design your own Pandora's Box!

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I can only speak for myself, so take this post with that in mind.
I think a continued funding option like what Star Citizen has would be an excellent idea, and a good way to build a community while bringing in more funding. The continued funding campaign could even offer most of what the Kickstarter offered, and I would be fine with that. However, there are several things marked as "exclusive" or "Kickstarter only" that I believe should only be for Kickstarter backers. As far as I can tell that list is:
($5) The forum title “Kickstarter” (okay, not technically marked as exclusive, but it doesn't make much sense for non-Kickstarter backers to have the title of "Kickstarter")
($25) A Kickstarter only badge and title
($25) An exclusive costume set that will never be available again
($25) A prestige travel power (Possibly a stretch, due to lack of direct "exclusive" wording)
($75) Kickstarter exclusive Phoenix Travel Aura
($30 perk) Kickstarter Edition Phoenix Pet
While giving out those exact same rewards to future backers would certainly leave a bad taste in my mouth, I have absolutely no objection to MWM offering different versions of those things in a continued funding campaign. For example, that list of exclusive items would change to this:
($5) The forum title “Backer”
($25) A different exclusive badge and title
($25) A different exclusive costume set that will never be available again
($25) A different prestige travel power
($75) A different exclusive Travel Aura
($30 perk) A different Phoenix Pet skin
If MWM were really crafty, they could even offer a pledge upgrade for Kickstarter backers, so they could get this different set of exclusive rewards in addition to their Kickstarter rewards. They would likely get (more of) my money that way.
Those are my thoughts on the subject. I believe that setup is the most fair for everyone involved, maintaining exclusivity where promised while not leaving people who were late to the party out in the cold.

I think this make the the most sense

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Jayleia wrote:
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I've asked this already on the KS page, I believe they do plan on adding an option to donate, but they don't have the plans for that laid out yet. Some of the KS things may be re-offered, or offered with some changes, and some they won't be able to re-offer again, as they were listed as KS exclusives.

I'll just mention that CoH had some "pre-launch exclusives" that eventually became available by other means long after the game lauched.

While it might be bad form to offer up those "KS exclusives" anytime soon there's really no law that says they can NEVER do it. Pretty much anything that doesn't literally have the word "Kickstarter" associated with it (like the KS badge) could made/offered again such as the otherwise generic Baseball cap Add-On or the Phoenix travel aura.

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Though I like the idea of

Though I like the idea of being able to continue the funding for CoT, it may be difficult for some of the "design your own this or that" rewards to be offered again. These, I imagine are going to be very time-consuming in terms of actually putting the game together. The amount of people they had will probably only be manageable because they have fully two years to work through some of that. As I've mentioned in a previous post *somewhere*, it would be unlikely that they could deliver certain things if you were able to purchase them a week before launch. That being said, they may see where their capabilities are and open those types of rewards up to a certain time period, such as up until a year before launch.

Some rewards they shouldn't offer again (if they were promised to be exclusive) and some they actually probably can't offer again (those that would set their launch date back or leave some people's rewards out of launch).

I don't say I necessarily agree that "exclusivity" should be a goal, but in the end, they have to deliver what they've promised or else people may lose faith in what they say. Just like during the kickstarter, they accidentally posted the $7500 reward for $75. Though most people would agree that it isn't exactly fair that 3 people got that reward for 1% of what it costs, they had to honor their word and allow those 3 people to have what they thought they were paying for. Eventually that situation got resolved and I think those people volunteered to give it back, but the point remains the same; they have to honor their promises to the best of their abilities or it just looks bad.

As others have said, I like Kill-Term's solution (sorry, I haven't figured out how to put other people's posts into mine yet), as it offers very similar rewards such that you are getting the same thing in spirit, but they are also honoring their word.

As I said, I don't think the community should be aiming at excluding anybody, but in the end, it may never be fully equal, but MWM is doing their best to make it as close to equal as possible. For example, I will never see my character's statue standing proudly over the city like those who were able to pledge $7500, and that makes their character unique, but in a game with limitless possibilities, I will simply find something that makes my character unique as well! But its like I say, they aren't being ridiculous or unfair, they aren't selling a +1 maximum level or a high damaging power with no cool-down, they are mostly offering different aesthetic choices so that you can make your experience unique.

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Though I like the idea of

Though I like the idea of being able to continue the funding for CoT, it may be difficult for some of the "design your own this or that" rewards to be offered again. These, I imagine are going to be very time-consuming in terms of actually putting the game together. The amount of people they had will probably only be manageable because they have fully two years to work through some of that. As I've mentioned in a previous post *somewhere*, it would be unlikely that they could deliver certain things if you were able to purchase them a week before launch. That being said, they may see where their capabilities are and open those types of rewards up to a certain time period, such as up until a year before launch.

Some rewards they shouldn't offer again (if they were promised to be exclusive) and some they actually probably can't offer again (those that would set their launch date back or leave some people's rewards out of launch).

I don't say I necessarily agree that "exclusivity" should be a goal, but in the end, they have to deliver what they've promised or else people may lose faith in what they say. Just like during the kickstarter, they accidentally posted the $7500 reward for $75. Though most people would agree that it isn't exactly fair that 3 people got that reward for 1% of what it costs, they had to honor their word and allow those 3 people to have what they thought they were paying for. Eventually that situation got resolved and I think those people volunteered to give it back, but the point remains the same; they have to honor their promises to the best of their abilities or it just looks bad.

As others have said, I like Kill-Term's solution (sorry, I haven't figured out how to put other people's posts into mine yet), as it offers very similar rewards such that you are getting the same thing in spirit, but they are also honoring their word.

As I said, I don't think the community should be aiming at excluding anybody, but in the end, it may never be fully equal, but MWM is doing their best to make it as close to equal as possible. For example, I will never see my character's statue standing proudly over the city like those who were able to pledge $7500, and that makes their character unique, but in a game with limitless possibilities, I will simply find something that makes my character unique as well! But its like I say, they aren't being ridiculous or unfair, they aren't selling a +1 maximum level or a high damaging power with no cool-down, they are mostly offering different aesthetic choices so that you can make your experience unique.

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thormaeb wrote:As others have
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As others have said, I like Kill-Term's solution (sorry, I haven't figured out how to put other people's posts into mine yet), as it offers very similar rewards such that you are getting the same thing in spirit, but they are also honoring their word.

Likewise.
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Even easier is the "quote" link next to the "reply" button below each post. That takes you to a reply window with that post's text in a quote block, ready to go.

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thormaeb wrote:
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Though I like the idea of being able to continue the funding for CoT, it may be difficult for some of the "design your own this or that" rewards to be offered again. These, I imagine are going to be very time-consuming in terms of actually putting the game together. The amount of people they had will probably only be manageable because they have fully two years to work through some of that. As I've mentioned in a previous post *somewhere*, it would be unlikely that they could deliver certain things if you were able to purchase them a week before launch. That being said, they may see where their capabilities are and open those types of rewards up to a certain time period, such as up until a year before launch.
Some rewards they shouldn't offer again (if they were promised to be exclusive) and some they actually probably can't offer again (those that would set their launch date back or leave some people's rewards out of launch).
I don't say I necessarily agree that "exclusivity" should be a goal, but in the end, they have to deliver what they've promised or else people may lose faith in what they say. Just like during the kickstarter, they accidentally posted the $7500 reward for $75. Though most people would agree that it isn't exactly fair that 3 people got that reward for 1% of what it costs, they had to honor their word and allow those 3 people to have what they thought they were paying for. Eventually that situation got resolved and I think those people volunteered to give it back, but the point remains the same; they have to honor their promises to the best of their abilities or it just looks bad.
As others have said, I like Kill-Term's solution (sorry, I haven't figured out how to put other people's posts into mine yet), as it offers very similar rewards such that you are getting the same thing in spirit, but they are also honoring their word.
As I said, I don't think the community should be aiming at excluding anybody, but in the end, it may never be fully equal, but MWM is doing their best to make it as close to equal as possible. For example, I will never see my character's statue standing proudly over the city like those who were able to pledge $7500, and that makes their character unique, but in a game with limitless possibilities, I will simply find something that makes my character unique as well! But its like I say, they aren't being ridiculous or unfair, they aren't selling a +1 maximum level or a high damaging power with no cool-down, they are mostly offering different aesthetic choices so that you can make your experience unique.

I'd agree that the "design your own thing" options are going to be time consuming to make and it's very possible that even if they do offer those things for sale again it might not be until AFTER the game launches to make sure they can finish whatever they have on their plates right now for Launch Day.

But after launch I really see no reason why they couldn't once again offer for example the "Mogul" option again. Sure they might make it cost more than $500 (as a consession to the folks who opted for that during the KS) and they might even force you to have to accept an existing building that's otherwise not being used for anything else. But I'd say if someone wanted to spend the money and it poses very little if any impact to the game then why not? As a KS Mogul person myself I couldn't care less if someone else managed to get one in a different way at any time in the future. *shrugs*

As for other things like "designing your own weapons or costume outfits" I think those could also be offered post-launch. I'd say make them expensive to get, stipluate it might take them weeks/months to make and have them be gated so that they are only released when the game has a major Issue update so as to not cause impact to the game overall. Even with all those factors in place I'd bet there would still be plenty of people willing to do it.

And again for what it's worth I simply would not put all that much faith in the idea that the concept of "exclusivity" automatically implies PERMANENT exclusivity when it comes to the KS/prelaunch items. Virtually everything that was once a prelaunch "exclusive" in CoH really did in fact become available in other ways after launch. In some cases it was many years after launch, but it did eventually happen. Sure things might turn out differently here and some of these KS exlcusives may turn out to be permanent, but I'm simply not going to assume anything on this one way or the other.

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I had 3 accounts on CoH and

I had 3 accounts on CoH and I really want to get on board with this. Please put a KS on the web page.

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Hmm...Now, this is just me.

Hmm...Now, this is just me. But..I don't consider myself a "gamer". I stumbled upon CoH in issue 3 and was playing it on the last day. I did try the other games - WoW, CO, DCUO, Marvel(beta), Secret World, SWToR and a few others. Champions was probably the closest - but it just wasn't even close. When the game shut down, I almost had withdrawal symptoms. So, I used the Titan Forums to lurk around, and post on occasion - sort of keep in touch.

I know that this magical 5% number was thrown out - as in, only 5% of the player base monitored the CoH forums. And it could be argued even fewer looked at the Titan forums. But - with all the facebook groups referring to the Titan network and Plan Z discussions - how in the world could anyone miss the kickstarter? Call me cynical, decrepit and curmudgeonly - but I don't see how anyone who was a fan of CoH could miss the kickstarter links.

Now, I'm sure it's possible, but for the life of me, I don't see how, barring active military duty or prolonged hospitalization or severe climate impact - like earthquakes or twisters or hurricanes and such.

That being said, I see no problem in allowing others to continue to donate if they wish. By all means, set it up. Just don't call it anything to do with kickstarter. Call it Afterburn, or something like that.

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Emancipist wrote:
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Hmm...Now, this is just me. But..I don't consider myself a "gamer". I stumbled upon CoH in issue 3 and was playing it on the last day. I did try the other games - WoW, CO, DCUO, Marvel(beta), Secret World, SWToR and a few others. Champions was probably the closest - but it just wasn't even close. When the game shut down, I almost had withdrawal symptoms. So, I used the Titan Forums to lurk around, and post on occasion - sort of keep in touch.
I know that this magical 5% number was thrown out - as in, only 5% of the player base monitored the CoH forums. And it could be argued even fewer looked at the Titan forums. But - with all the facebook groups referring to the Titan network and Plan Z discussions - how in the world could anyone miss the kickstarter? Call me cynical, decrepit and curmudgeonly - but I don't see how anyone who was a fan of CoH could miss the kickstarter links.
Now, I'm sure it's possible, but for the life of me, I don't see how, barring active military duty or prolonged hospitalization or severe climate impact - like earthquakes or twisters or hurricanes and such.
That being said, I see no problem in allowing others to continue to donate if they wish. By all means, set it up. Just don't call it anything to do with kickstarter. Call it Afterburn, or something like that.

Well I've already seen several posts scattered around this forum of people who've claimed to have completely missed the CoT Kickstarter. I think it's safe to say plenty of people did despite all the "social media" about it. For what it's worth I didn't miss the Kickstarter but I also don't do social media (like Facebook) at all so I suppose I just got lucky to stumble into this at the right time.

Also realize there are likely a number of people who did know about the Kickstarter but for whatever reason wasn't able to donate the amount of money they wanted to during the period the Kickstarter was live. Maybe in the coming months those people would be more able to throw that much more money at the game - why would any future player not want this game to get as much money as it can to be the best that it can be?

When/if the MWM people provide another means to donate money it will not be via a Kickstarter - it'll be via some other method. But that doesn't mean they can't offer almost everything they did for the Kickstarter again even if they have to change the names or terms associated with those things.

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It's entirely possible that

It's entirely possible that the most hardcore players in City of Heroes missed the Kickstarter. I would have donated something on day one of the Kickstarter, without hesitation, if I'd known about it. Some people just aren't as connected to various sources of information. I considered myself a solid player. I tried to learn as much as I could, and I made some pretty amazing Incarnate characters that I would call "finished," at least in terms of what I wanted to accomplish with those archetypes. I was devastated when City of Heroes shut down. I was there until the final moments.

When City of Titans was made known to me, I was immediately skeptical. $320k just seemed like a drop in the bucket when you consider how much was invested in the creation of any decent MMO, including City of Heroes. However, I started to believe in the team, over time. They just seemed to "get it," you know? There was something DIFFERENT about playing in a game full of superheroes. When you think about maximizing human potential, it's easy to make the leap to superpowers, especially as we start to use our scientific and technical knowledge to fashion some pretty amazing things! So, eventually I was investing in what City of Titans stood for, rather than a more logical, passionless approach that looked at the dollars vs. the workload. I invested, well, a lot more than I thought I would. I think that says something about the kinds of players that love City of Heroes like I do, and I have to believe that while the City of Titans team would be sympathetic to those who still want to donate but missed out on the Kickstarter for whatever reason, their first choice is going to be to make do with what they have been given. If I were on the team, that's what i would do, anyway. I like to think of similarly to how children often think they will die if they don't have the latest gadget or gizmo that is popular with their peers. Let's say it's the PS4, since that was originally released. So the child starts negotiating, and he gets mom and dad to agree to a PS4 and two games for Christmas. The child is elated! He's going to get to enjoy Watch Dogs and AC IV:Black Flag this Christmas. But you know where I'm heading with this, don't you? Of COURSE there is gratitude and an appreciation that mom and dad's money only stretches so far. But eventually it wears off, and you need another "fix." So you're bargaining for more games, the camera, a second controller for your friends to use, etc. It never ends, if you don't set limits. That's why I'd REALLY like to see them hold off on any sort of extra funding options until they really need it, and only if they have spent their initial money wisely, which means knowing EXACTLY how much they need to finish if they ask for another round of funding. That's what I'd do, anyway.

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I went to a meeting of local

I went to a meeting of local game developers the night after the KS ended. There I met 4 ex-CoH players including one really avid fan, none of them knew about the KS.

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Hyperbole wrote:
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When City of Titans was made known to me, I was immediately skeptical. $320k just seemed like a drop in the bucket when you consider how much was invested in the creation of any decent MMO, including City of Heroes. However, I started to believe in the team, over time. They just seemed to "get it," you know? There was something DIFFERENT about playing in a game full of superheroes. When you think about maximizing human potential, it's easy to make the leap to superpowers, especially as we start to use our scientific and technical knowledge to fashion some pretty amazing things! So, eventually I was investing in what City of Titans stood for, rather than a more logical, passionless approach that looked at the dollars vs. the workload. I invested, well, a lot more than I thought I would. I think that says something about the kinds of players that love City of Heroes like I do, and I have to believe that while the City of Titans team would be sympathetic to those who still want to donate but missed out on the Kickstarter for whatever reason, their first choice is going to be to make do with what they have been given. If I were on the team, that's what i would do, anyway. I like to think of similarly to how children often think they will die if they don't have the latest gadget or gizmo that is popular with their peers. Let's say it's the PS4, since that was originally released. So the child starts negotiating, and he gets mom and dad to agree to a PS4 and two games for Christmas. The child is elated! He's going to get to enjoy Watch Dogs and AC IV:Black Flag this Christmas. But you know where I'm heading with this, don't you? Of COURSE there is gratitude and an appreciation that mom and dad's money only stretches so far. But eventually it wears off, and you need another "fix." So you're bargaining for more games, the camera, a second controller for your friends to use, etc. It never ends, if you don't set limits. That's why I'd REALLY like to see them hold off on any sort of extra funding options until they really need it, and only if they have spent their initial money wisely, which means knowing EXACTLY how much they need to finish if they ask for another round of funding. That's what I'd do, anyway.

I probably wouldn't have equated funding a MMO to be similar to giving in to a spoiled child but I suppose everyone's entitled to their own opinion no matter how novel.

Regardless I have enough faith in the MWM folks that they would use whatever money they had available (whenever they were to get it) to make the best game possible. As we all recall the CoH Devs were able to give us additional extra content every time they offered a new Booster Pack or some-such to sell. Logic would only dictate that the more funds MWM has to work with the more content they'll be able to provide in a shorter period of time. That's what I'd do, anyway.

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I only found the KS buy

I only found the KS buy accident. About 11 days before it ended. I thought it was a hoax.

Has anyone seen my mind? It was right here...

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everyone keeps saying itll be

everyone keeps saying itll be hard for rewards to be distributed again....once again read the title of this forum and then go to the link...star citizen has a post ks fund and they are at 27MILLION DOLLARS.. and they offer the same stuff from there kickstarter they just contiunues it onto there website. nothings impossible and the fricken rewards is having another city game coming out.so all of the people on high horses for being able to sign up and be apart and now you want these rewards a d no one else to get them is not mature and is pretty petty this is supposed to be about building our community back. and I doubt any of you farmed or could pvp like I did in coh .I was the number 1 farmer on villain side on feedom for over a year and a half and there were few people that could beat my fire regen scrapper or my ss invul brute and im on no high orse about this I just want everyone to have the same chance and the same motivation to wanna join in on this as all the people that were apart of kickstarter

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2 out of 3 avid CoH players

2 out of 3 avid CoH players from Singapore did not know about the Kickstarter. They even missed my email about it until too late.

But I am working from a sample size of three. The other two live in the same house.

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Lin Chiao Feng wrote:
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I only found the KS buy accident. About 11 days before it ended. I thought it was a hoax.

I only found out about City of Titans because Lin mentioned it and I had time enough to check it out and report back. So if it weren't for Lin, I wouldn't even be here or know this was going on.


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Other fundraising avenues are

Other fundraising avenues are in the works. And they won't have the limitations that KS imposed.

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I think having a means for

I think having a means for folks to contribute further is fine, and I certainly applaud anything that allows folks that missed out on the KS to help out.

That said, I'm not so enamored of Star Citizen's communication after the Kickstarter (which I contributed to). All things considered, their PR hasn't impressed me after getting a massive influx of a cash, insofar that their weekly status updates feel like they're still trying to raise money for the project.

I doubt it's a lack of funding to do what they wanted - I would hope that the KS took care of that - but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and has made me less excited for the game over other projects (including this one).

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I only found out about the

I only found out about the City of Titans Kickstarter because I was obsessively monitoring everything I could find about the efforts to revive the old game (except Twitter and Facebook, ugh.)

(I'm not saying that makes me any better than people who missed the KS; just making fun of myself for my obsession.)

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I was lucky enough to stumble

I was lucky enough to stumble upon the the MWM site by accident a few months before the kickstarter started. Ironically, I was looking for reviews of other MMOs trying to find one similar to COH. I can easily see how the kickstarter could have been missed by COH players, even avid fans.

I also gave as much as I could to the kickstarter and even got many of the exclusive offerings, but if it means the game is better, then I would have no problem with a continuation of the kickstarter rewards. I want a playable and enjoyable game far more than some exclusive item.

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I've seen other developers

I've seen other developers keep paypal donations active, allowing people to buy the kickstarter backer reward tiers after the kickstarter ends... And also allowing kickstarter backers to upgrade their reward tier by paying the difference.

That seems fair to me, a win/win really.

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I've been following from the

I've been following from the start, but ended up not going in for the KS since i'm trying to get away from MMOs. However, it would be nice to have the option, later, to get some of the KS rewards that aren't KS-exclusive or unfeasible. Just in case. Plus, it does mean more funding.

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We're going to be doing

We're going to be doing something like that, as soon as we get our web site revamped. I have to say that Star Citizen has been an inspiration to us all.

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I'm hopeful here, too. I didn

I'm hopeful here, too. I didn't have the opportunity to contribute until after the KS ended. I'd have loved to donate toward one of the packages, and am really hoping the option will exist in the future for those of us who didn't get the chance during the KS to contribute. CoT has started something we all want to see, and many of us, I'm guessing, would like to contribute, in the post-KS time period.

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Just to keep this alive and

Just to keep this alive and the hope flowing, we're working on the new web page right now, and we're using the survey we're writing to test our website store. We want to make it perfect, but things are coming together.

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Li'l Thunder wrote:
Li'l Thunder wrote:

I've seen other developers keep paypal donations active, allowing people to buy the kickstarter backer reward tiers after the kickstarter ends... And also allowing kickstarter backers to upgrade their reward tier by paying the difference.
That seems fair to me, a win/win really.

I would love it if they did that!!

I'm honestly gutted that it was too late for me to get involved in the kickstarter by the time I accidentally found it... :(

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Speaking strictly for myself,

Speaking strictly for myself, as someone who spent heavily on the Kickstarter for the "exclusive rewards," I have zero problem with other people getting those rewards later, if it means cashflow into the project. The project must succeed in order for the rewards to mean anything!

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Being a poor person, I would

Being a poor person, I would like to have a way to up my initial donation slowly toward the higher stuff. Though I would fully understand some things being excluded from the list. For example we cant have a skyscraper for every player.

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ZigZag wrote:
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Though I would fully understand some things being excluded from the list. For example we cant have a skyscraper for every player.

Something like the Mogul Add-On only needs its high price to keep it "exclusive" either now or in the future. Limiting that kind of thing to just the Kickstarter would be a pointless extra restriction that'd only hurt the game's future ability to get new infusions of cash it could use to operate and grow.

It's not like every player could or would spend $500 or more for things like that so we'll never have to worry about "everyone" having them no mater what - they'll always be special. So if there are players a few years from now who would be willing to shell out the money for a "Mogul" to keep the game going I'd say more power to them.

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I spose that Is true so I

I spose that Is true so I will agree with you.

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After CoH/V's demise, I moved

After CoH/V's demise, I moved on thinking that, sadly, I wouldn't ever see anything like it again. Several nights ago I was moving files to a new computer (my old one was dying). Upon moving the CoH screenies, I got nostalgic and tossed a out a CoH google search. I was stunned and very happy to see this project, but really sad to have missed the Kickstarter. There are literally hundreds of potential donors such as myself out there. IMHO, it would be a business mistake to exclude them from contributing.

I missed an Indigogo project last year that I was sick about (Interloper miniatures "Cast in Ruin" minis. Essentially the exact figures from the original Gamma World modules - mutant chickens, Buggems, Hoops). I wrote to the person running the project and asked to contribute after the fact. He was fantastic about working with me. My point is that this must happen all the time, and is likely an issue with running these Kickstarter projects.

I played Blue Ox on Virtue (as well as a bunch of other alts). God, I would love to have those characters back, and to contribute to the efforts to do so.

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How about trying to use Crowd

How about trying to use Crowd funding? I've seen a few other projects using it and they seem to be running such campaigns every few months to fund their games. They do still offer game perks for helping and you can invest anything from $1 to $5000.

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I was one of the ones who

I was one of the ones who missed the kickstarter, i actually did know about this game and was following it for a bit (even to the point of commenting to a friend that they should try a kickstarter campaign, go figure) but life happened and i ended up forgetting about it. Still had i known i definitely would have thrown 50 bucks at it and honestly still will once they get the donation button working (as long as they still give SOME reward, im just looking for the early global name reserve and a digital copy, the rest i couldn't really care less about. It's a lot easier justifying a "preorder" in my head.)

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Thank you. Thank you all for

Thank you. Thank you all for wanting to contribute more to us. But we decided that we're going to work on delivering something before we move some people over to working on the web store. Everyone who happens to be a web developer is working on more critical parts of the game right now, and we've got enough money for the next year.

But we better start fundraising before the end of that if we want to survive for the long run. And we will.

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I understand the decision to

I understand the decision to wait for "something to show" before you do more fundraising. It shows integrity, and you don't want to risk looking like you're in trouble when you're not, or for people to get squirley because they don't see anything happening.

But some of us really don't care and just want to contribute. I really would like to give what I can (which isn't all that impressive, but it's something) right now regardless of the outcome. I just don't want you guys to miss opportunities.

And I can't help but think if you had Star Citizen type money, you could... I don't know... like frikkin entice Posi to come work for you or something :P.

Anyway, just let us know.

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Can I sign up somewhere to be

Can I sign up somewhere to be notified when funding or donating options become available?

Thanks.

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I'd just like to put my name

I'd just like to put my name in on this request. I hadn't heard anything about this project until a few days ago when a friend sent me a text about something she saw on pinterest. As a longtime CoX player (7 years)I am very sad that I missed out on the perk of helping to create my own exploration badge. Of course I will contribute in any way they make available through their website, but it's very sad that I missed out on that opportunity just because I hadn't heard anything about the project.

It seems like there is such a mindset of exclusivity in games now days and I hope the developers don't go down that road. Honestly, as long as people believe and have enough faith in the project to contribute our hard earned money during the development, shouldn't that be enough? It's not like we wouldn't have contributed had we known of it!

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I too wish I had been aware

I too wish I had been aware of the kickstarter and would love to contribute. I am not rich so I wouldn't be able to give much and I don't really need anything in return other than the game you make.

Now as I pry my nose from twixt the cheeks let just say I really do hope there is a way for people to continue to contribute to the game, be that donations,a VERY early pre-sale or any other form.

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I will pay $15 to pre-lock a

I will pay $15 to pre-lock a name. Maybe this would have to be a second rank after a similar benefit for a kickstarter tier (if such exists) for non-ks peeps.

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So glad there is a plan to

So glad there is a plan to take my money at some point in the future as I missed the first go around. I so much wish this project the best of goodwill and success......

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I will pay $15 to pre-lock a name. Maybe this would have to be a second rank after a similar benefit for a kickstarter tier (if such exists) for non-ks peeps.

Reserving a name won't be necessary. They've said we are going to have non-unique-names with unique globals.

I guess if there is something very special you want to use for a global handle, then it might be a perc to pay to reserve it.

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Was feeling nostalgic and

Was feeling nostalgic and threw "City of Heroes" into my search bar...low and behold, found CoT, H&V, and VO. I couldn't be more excited. I wish I would've known about the KS sooner and would also like to donate. This same thing happened to me for Shadowrun Online and Shadowrun Returns, but the Devs for those games made a donation stream available through their website and Paypal which allowed people to continue to donate for the same or similar perks. There is definitely a way to make this happen, and am sure that you super folks will figure it out. Please take my money. :-)

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I was busy crying under a

I was busy crying under a rock over COH and missed the kickstarter campaign. I would love ways to get actively involved with the project. Please let me know if there is a way to kick-in some funds.

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Please add me to the list of

Please add me to the list of CoH fans who missed the Kickstarter, and would be very much interested in contributing to a new round of fundraising, however that might be organized. Perks are not strictly needed, but might get me to consider a larger contribution, depending on what options are made available...

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For those who have not read

For those who have not read the interview on MMOFallout.com or missed this bit:

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Connor: And one more question before I guess we can call it a wrap. Is there, or will there, be a way for people to pledge who missed out on the Kickstarter?

Nate "Doctor Tyche" Downes: We have been discussing a second-chance opportunity for those people, yes. We want to finish getting the people who did pledge with Kickstarter processed first.

It's all those people who pledges for extras and add-ons who are holding things up. Damn them! Damn them to heck!

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Lol just imaging the

Lol just imaging the development team running down the street with mobs of people chasing them screaming take my money please !!!! Smashing windows shoving money in their pockets while police stand by looking oddly confused

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Hey CoT folks! Please add me

Hey CoT folks! Please add me to any list in regards to fundraising contributions (*and as a Mac Beta Tester).

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Several of my friends and I

Several of my friends and I would contribute if the Kickstarter or another source began. I've heard so many stories about people wishing they made it in time for the Kickstarter. I think there'd be a significant number of submissions if another one started--especially if the word got passed around big time that it was active.

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Add me also to the list of

Add me also to the list of those who want to contribute, -directly-, to CoT!

Had to do that. I blame Iwata. :P

In all seriousness though, I do want to contribute! :)

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Darth Fez wrote:
Darth Fez wrote:

For those who have not read the interview on MMOFallout.com or missed this bit:

I was reading that interview. Why can't the former Paragon devs help with the project? Is it because of a non-competition clause and if so, don't those eventually run their course after a set amount of time thus freeing up the devs? Not that MWM needs their help. I'm just curious.

I do like that MWM kind of implies they would not have done this project without their blessing though. That is awesome.

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I can only speak for myself, so take this post with that in mind.
I think a continued funding option like what Star Citizen has would be an excellent idea, and a good way to build a community while bringing in more funding. The continued funding campaign could even offer most of what the Kickstarter offered, and I would be fine with that. However, there are several things marked as "exclusive" or "Kickstarter only" that I believe should only be for Kickstarter backers. As far as I can tell that list is:
($5) The forum title “Kickstarter” (okay, not technically marked as exclusive, but it doesn't make much sense for non-Kickstarter backers to have the title of "Kickstarter")
($25) A Kickstarter only badge and title
($25) An exclusive costume set that will never be available again
($25) A prestige travel power (Possibly a stretch, due to lack of direct "exclusive" wording)
($75) Kickstarter exclusive Phoenix Travel Aura
($30 perk) Kickstarter Edition Phoenix Pet
While giving out those exact same rewards to future backers would certainly leave a bad taste in my mouth, I have absolutely no objection to MWM offering different versions of those things in a continued funding campaign. For example, that list of exclusive items would change to this:
($5) The forum title “Backer”
($25) A different exclusive badge and title
($25) A different exclusive costume set that will never be available again
($25) A different prestige travel power
($75) A different exclusive Travel Aura
($30 perk) A different Phoenix Pet skin
If MWM were really crafty, they could even offer a pledge upgrade for Kickstarter backers, so they could get this different set of exclusive rewards in addition to their Kickstarter rewards. They would likely get (more of) my money that way.
Those are my thoughts on the subject. I believe that setup is the most fair for everyone involved, maintaining exclusivity where promised while not leaving people who were late to the party out in the cold.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts. Kickstarter stuff should remain exclusive to Kickstarter folks. The people who jumped on from the word "go." That being said, it just makes sense to have more options to donate or just flat-out buy "pre-pre-order" stuff to help fund the continuation of the project. The items available for this should be unique, as well. Making them something different from what was offered during the Kickstarter will not only allow the KS folks to keep their exclusivity, but will further motivate KSers to donate again to get some nice stuff they're not already getting.

I would say setup a "pre-pre-order" store on the page with some nice options; and give people a "donation bank." We donate, and every time we do, the cumulative ammount we've donated will be reflected in our donation bank, allowing us to potentially buy some of the nicer items in installments. Keep this going until a month or so before the game actually launches, and then once it's done, don't offer those items again.

Just my 2 cents.

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Totally missed the KS also

Totally missed the KS also well gutted, didn't even know about the project as I sort of laid off playing on the computer once coh shut down, I would like to donate if at all possible even if it's just money for the cause.

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I would lobe to donate to the

I would lobe to donate to the game!

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A while back i tried to

A while back i tried to Donate, and kept giving me errors.
Will another Donate button be added again?

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SavageFist wrote:
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Darth Fez wrote:
For those who have not read the interview on MMOFallout.com or missed this bit:

I was reading that interview. Why can't the former Paragon devs help with the project? Is it because of a non-competition clause and if so, don't those eventually run their course after a set amount of time thus freeing up the devs? Not that MWM needs their help. I'm just curious.
I do like that MWM kind of implies they would not have done this project without their blessing though. That is awesome.

Look up NC Soft's lawsuit against the makers of TERA.

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Love NCsoft. LOVE EM!!!

Love NCsoft. LOVE EM!!!

No ex-Paragonians for us. Nope.

Might as well just stop discussing it.

But, on the original topic, my wife and I hate it that we missed the kickstarter and we are just waiting for the chance to donate what we can.

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I just discovered CoT a

I just discovered CoT a couple weeks ago on a random google search for fan-based attempts to resurrect the game.

If there was a way to donate to this game (and receive recognition similar to the KS rewards), I would fund the s*** out of this game. I would give a LOT to resurrect a couple of my villains and heroes.

EDIT: First post btw. Looking forward to getting to know you guys!

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Doctor Tyche wrote:
Doctor Tyche wrote:

SavageFist wrote:
Darth Fez wrote:
For those who have not read the interview on MMOFallout.com or missed this bit:

I was reading that interview. Why can't the former Paragon devs help with the project? Is it because of a non-competition clause and if so, don't those eventually run their course after a set amount of time thus freeing up the devs? Not that MWM needs their help. I'm just curious.
I do like that MWM kind of implies they would not have done this project without their blessing though. That is awesome.

Look up NC Soft's lawsuit against the makers of TERA.

Long story short:

NCsoft were making Lineage 3. Some of the staff members quit NCsoft (they were not fired/made redunant) and took code/concepts that were in the design documents from Lineage 3 with them. Former NCsoft guy founds new company, and headhunts/recruits specific people away from NCsoft who were working on Lineage 3.

The new project that was being done, became TERA.

NCsoft take the former employees to court, and win that case. NCsoft LOSE the case against the company though, and also any attempts at preventing the game from being released.

It is also worth noting that the 3 former NCsoft employees ended up getting fined/jail time for the crimes that they committed.

Oh, and this whole thing started back in 2007; so it isn't really "new news"... unless you count the final results, which were around april/august 2012 (which were the attempts to prevent TERA from releasing).

No-compete clauses CAN be in play here, although they typically have a duration on them. And they are not a cultural thing... the WWE (American company) uses them with pretty much EVERY one of their wrestlers, when their contracts are ended. The only time I can see someone being blacklisted from an industry is when you *seriously* do something wrong...

And we know that the former Paragon Studio developers have been able to still work in the industry...

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I was so upset that I missed

I was so upset that I missed out on the KS. I'm happy to hear that donations might be possible in the future. I'll keep checking back on the site and forums.

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Hi all,

Hi all,

I'd love for there to be way to pledge some money to the games development.
I played City of Heroes for many years and was devastated when the game closed its servers.

I had no idea that City of Titans was even happening as I don't watch the kickstarter page or read any 'e-news'. I happened across this site this morning by complete accident. All that aside I can't wait to play this game and would love to donate towards server costs etc.

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As per Foradain's post above,

As per Foradain's post above, MWM had opened a temporary store as a beta test for handling orders so we can rest assured that a store is coming. Once the store proper goes live it will be an excellent means to 'donate'.

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like many others I too missed

like many others I too missed the opportunity to throw money at CoT for the KS. I would love to do so now and for what it's worth, Pillars of Eternity also has a post KS funding option. it also tied into the KS itself in that it allowed folks to slowly build up 'credits' for certain items that were initially offered in the KS itself. seems this would be the best option to me as it would allow KS folks to continue growing for better items while allowing folks who missed the initial offering to lend their support for a game they would love to see take off. keep badges and titles separate for the KS folks and the post-KS folks.

on a side note, are people really so greedy that they don't want to allow others to purchase items that were first offered in the KS in a post-KS offering? just baffles me that folks feel such a need to have something that others don't even when it has no real bearing on anything at all other than the game itself, other than being cosmetic. I dunno, just seems kinda sad that folks can be so selfish (imo).

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whiteperegrine wrote:
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like many others I too missed the opportunity to throw money at CoT for the KS. I would love to do so now and for what it's worth, Pillars of Eternity also has a post KS funding option. it also tied into the KS itself in that it allowed folks to slowly build up 'credits' for certain items that were initially offered in the KS itself. seems this would be the best option to me as it would allow KS folks to continue growing for better items while allowing folks who missed the initial offering to lend their support for a game they would love to see take off. keep badges and titles separate for the KS folks and the post-KS folks.
on a side note, are people really so greedy that they don't want to allow others to purchase items that were first offered in the KS in a post-KS offering? just baffles me that folks feel such a need to have something that others don't even when it has no real bearing on anything at all other than the game itself, other than being cosmetic. I dunno, just seems kinda sad that folks can be so selfish (imo).

Hm, I'll have to check them out.

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whiteperegrine wrote:
whiteperegrine wrote:

on a side note, are people really so greedy that they don't want to allow others to purchase items that were first offered in the KS in a post-KS offering? just baffles me that folks feel such a need to have something that others don't even when it has no real bearing on anything at all other than the game itself, other than being cosmetic. I dunno, just seems kinda sad that folks can be so selfish (imo).

With all due respect and understanding to your point, I've got do disagree with your characterization there.

If an item is marked as being exclusive and offered for a limited time only then yes, it's reasonable for people to expect that it was an exclusive only being offered for a limited time, as long as they state those desires in a mature, honest way.

It seems rather judgmental to term that as greedy. It would be as unfair to call you "sad and selfish" for wanting to get the exact same bonus someone ELSE has just because they were able to get it and you weren't. (Assuming that is what you want, obviously.) It’s just needlessly and unfairly judgmental in either case.

Don't blame the customer for wanting the company to live up to the “it’s exclusive” promise it made in exchange for a donation. If you want to blame anyone, blame the company for promising it as exclusive in the first place. Or maybe accept that someone has something you don’t get. Or at the bare minimum, come up with a better argument than “I want that too! You’re greedy if you disagree with me!”

I'm not really sure I'd even mind if they do decide to renege on the implied promise terribly much. I could possibly use it to get better perks than I got from the kickstarter. I got over it when City of Heroes decided to release their pre order Prestige sprints years later as a vet reward.

However, I do disagree with your "greedy, selfish and sad" commentary.

Besides, if something has "no impact on the game at all other than being cosmetic," you're undercutting your own argument for expanding access to it.

Riiight?

Longtime City of Heroes player, longtime writer. :)

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I put $40 into Star Citizen,

I put $40 into Star Citizen, I would gladly put $100 into CoT. I just need to save up the money, and be given a way to give said money.

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ambudreamer,

ambidreamer,
no worries on the disagreement. it's what debates are for. :)

in regards to the "exclusive" thing? well, I did mention a couple items, but I could see some of the others kept that way as well (like the building thing). otherwise, I think it would be a smart move for them to do. open up a post-ks fund and allow for the building of credits towards some of the larger items offered. this would provide a relatively nice lil revenue stream to them and allows players to build up to items that they may not otherwise be able to afford in one shot.

personally, it won't really bother me if they don't open up post-ks funding but I thought I would drop my wooden nickel into the slot none the less. would I like to see it happen so I can not only start throwing money their way but also cash in on a few items/perks I would have liked and missed out on? you bet your bippy! although, if not..well, that's how the cookie crumbles.

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