I also came in at Geocatcher and I believe I bought I Know A Guy. I haven't received a survey yet.

Kid Rad wrote:

Yea, this is kind of exactly what I was talking about in the other thread. I'm honestly glad I didn't donate back then, I would have felt burned. Hopefully everyone has gotten or will get what they paid for.

It's been well over four years now since they started - that is a long time to wait. As you say hopefully MWM will still be able to launch -despite- your lack of financial support.

That being said the only way any donator could be "burned" by CoT is if it ultimately doesn't launch. Since we have no proof it's NOT going to launch there's no basis for feeling burned yet. Remember MWM never promised any exact "launch by date" so technically if it takes them 50 more years to deliver they won't be in violation of anything we might have "paid" for or not.

If you're actually talking about whether or not people got their physical CoT t-shirts/mousepads YEARS ago then you must be leading a charmed life not to have anything else to worry about. Sure the swag was nice but I honestly didn't care if I got it or not. I know I -did- get my stuff years ago but I'm frankly not sure if I still have any of it - giving money to MWM at the time was more important to me. The game is all I cared (and still care) about.

No worries Kid. We've all done that.

For the record. My issue was "resolved" I have yet to miss out on a reward.

I've come to view Kickstarter for what it is. Low dollar venture capitalism. Sometimes you make it big. Sometimes you make your money back. Sometimes it takes a really long time and you make your money back. Sometimes, a lot of the time, you make some or none of what you invested. When I first invested I was worried, I fretted all the time (still do, just not about the money). I worried that my investment was wasted. After seeing their work over the past 4 years. I'm not worried. Yeah it sucks it's taking a long time, but it's doing better than my mortgage over the same time. I'm not worried though. I know eventually something will come of this. At the very least my investment has played some role in spurring on development of 3 successor projects.

Grimfox wrote:

I've come to view Kickstarter for what it is. Low dollar venture capitalism. Sometimes you make it big. Sometimes you make your money back. Sometimes it takes a really long time and you make your money back. Sometimes, a lot of the time, you make some or none of what you invested.

For me Kickstarters like this one are somewhere between pure capitalism and simple dog track betting. The only real "rule" I imposed on myself when I donated to this was I just made sure I could, as a worse case scenario, afford to lose every penny I gave and not get -anything- back for it.

Obviously I decided to have a little blind faith in MWM and the signs continue to look hopeful. The proof will of course be in the pudding so-to-speak.

I would like to have access to this, just to have visual confirmation that MWM and I are on the same page and we both know what I expect to get as perks. I did get a survey, I think, and it was really clunky and the webpage that it pointed to is gone now. I would like to have a private "your perk level and add-ons" section on this site in the "MyAccount" tab.

Yeah, I think I had one add-on afterward and I think I know what it was but I'm not 100% certain. Given that this was years ago I guess it's not that much of a surprise. I wish I could verify somewhere.

Fireheart wrote:

TitansCity is a native French speaker, so his English occasionally suffers, even in abbreviation. I do believe he meant PM, yes.

No ! I don't ! it just for joking you know, to make you believe i'm a french speaker but i'm not ! I'm really not !
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ok,not believable at all, i confess...

That's right, i meant Private message ^^ Sorry, it was a reflex :x Message privé = Private Message :) Thanks for correcting me Fireheart !
(But i'm proud ! You said "occasionnally" and not "often" :D youhou \o/ )

Dax Doomslayer wrote:

Thanks again and PM (or MP) has been sent!

Thank goodness it's just a bunch of us French and American people around here. If any of our fine English friends were checking in they might think we were talking about their Prime Minister or Members of Parliament. ;)

Project_Hero wrote:

I'm from England! Originally anyway. Now I live in Canada! Which also has a Prime Minister and Members of Parliament!
The more you know *

Soorrie I forgot to mention Canada, eh? ;)

So the devs don't want military police sent to them?

Lin Chiao Feng wrote:

Military Police: like normal police but with absolutely no sense of humor nor restraint.

I know in the last 15 years or so I've been with two different co-workers who were both ticketed by Air Force MPs for going through two different stop signs on the base we work at. The sad coincidence was that in both cases my co-workers in question did actually [b]reasonably stop[/b] at their respective signs but apparently neither one had stopped [b]long enough[/b] to satisfy either of the MPs in question.

So yeah I can attest to some MPs having, at the very least, no sense of leniency. ;)

Fun fact: one of the problems self-driving cars have to deal with is other drivers performing "rolling" stops. The AI doesn't actually see a stop, and since passenger safety is top priority, simply waits at the stop sign as several other cars roll through. You can bet that when self-driving cars show up, other drivers will observe these bugs and take advantage of them.

Uber, on the other hand, considers things like [url=https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/14/uber-self-driving-cars-run-red-lights-san-francisco]stopping at a red light[/url] to be a QoL feature they can put in later. It'll be interesting to see how manufacturers compete on the AI-aggressiveness front and how many people hack their cars to just blow through everything.

tremshar wrote:

I start thinking that I've thrown money away

I look at it this way: The CoT Kickstarter happened over 4 years ago now. If you actually still "care" about any money you spent over 4 years ago then maybe you shouldn't have thrown money at a MMO game Kickstarter in the first place. Sure I'd be disappointed if CoT doesn't ever happen, but then again I don't remember how much money I spent on restaurants last week. *shrugs*

For people like you and me Kickstarters are not "investments" as much as they are "lottery tickets". Do you worry about money you spend on lottery tickets when you likely only had a one in a billion chance of winning anyway? At least with CoT I think our odds are a little better than one in a billion.

The goal posts have always been fluid from what it looks like. With a winter 2018 release they are still contending with building block level issues. We have no idea if a Character Creator will be available anytime soon. That will be the herald of shipping doom (in the good sense). The real problem will be the integration of all the components and thorough testing prior to release. We are essentially on the 12 month clock now, so good luck.

Considering MWM is not a billion dollar company like blizzard 4 years is actually pretty good speed in developing a game. I agree with lothic don’t dwell on the negative let’s put some positive energy towards this project and just wait and see what will happen .

Doctor Tyche wrote:

Lothic wrote:
Planet10 wrote:
The goal posts have always been fluid from what it looks like. With a winter 2018 release they are still contending with building block level issues. We have no idea if a Character Creator will be available anytime soon. That will be the herald of shipping doom (in the good sense). The real problem will be the integration of all the components and thorough testing prior to release. We are essentially on the 12 month clock now, so good luck.
You're correct that we really don't know when anything is going to be opened for beta testing much less final release. But according to everything I've read here the Devs have always made it clear that they wanted to release the standalone Character Creator app long before the actual game was launched. So we do have some reasonable assurance that -once- the Character Creator is up and running there's a good chance that within 3-6 months the game itself will follow.
Now since the Devs have been teasing the idea of "End of 2018" for the game itself that seems to suggest that the character creator should be released (at least as a beta) sometime around mid-2018. Therefore my official "start to worry about it" date is going to be around July 2018 - if we don't see any hint of the character creator by then that's when I'll start to worry about the "End of 2018" estimate as well.
Being honest, if the character generator is not in active testing by March, then we will need to revisit the launch date. That is me being honest. The current issues with it seem relatively minor however, being isolated to the interface between it and the core server, so I'm not worried.

Well I was trying to give you -some- wiggle room. But if you think March is more likely than July for the character generator then that's fine with me. ;)

Mind-Freeze wrote:

Considering MWM is not a billion dollar company like blizzard 4 years is actually pretty good speed in developing a game. I agree with lothic don’t dwell on the negative let’s put some positive energy towards this project and just wait and see what will happen .

Mind Freeze makes a good point. I've seen AAA MMOs take around a 5 year development cycle before they hit the beta phase. MWM has made some nice progress so far with a limited team and resources.

TitansCity wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:
Being honest, if the character generator is not in active testing by March, then we will need to revisit the launch date. That is me being honest. The current issues with it seem relatively minor however, being isolated to the interface between it and the core server, so I'm not worried.
I thought the character creator will be launched arounf end of 2017 ^^ That's what is understood in the PAX interview.
I should progress in my US hearing skill xD

The difference between target and worst case scenario. PAX was anticipated dates, while March is the "if we don't hit this, we're off-target"

blacke4dawn wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:
TitansCity wrote:
Doctor Tyche wrote:
Being honest, if the character generator is not in active testing by March, then we will need to revisit the launch date. That is me being honest. The current issues with it seem relatively minor however, being isolated to the interface between it and the core server, so I'm not worried.
I thought the character creator will be launched arounf end of 2017 ^^ That's what is understood in the PAX interview.
I should progress in my US hearing skill xD
The difference between target and worst case scenario. PAX was anticipated dates, while March is the "if we don't hit this, we're off-target"
Right, so it should appear somewhere between "now" and March?

Right.

I'm sad to hear the character creator is still in process but appreciate the clarification on the launch date. I hope you are able to bring it online with minimal snags as you have expressed. So, keep up the good work, including these updates.
It's this kind of discussion that makes me wish I could have helped in the original KS and more than happy to fund any upcoming one.

Cobalt Azurean wrote:

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