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Aren't the Scarlet Witch's

Aren't the Scarlet Witch's powers just reality manipulation?

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Aren't the Scarlet Witch's powers just reality manipulation?

Yep.

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Try "Writer Manipulation" and

Try "Writer Manipulation" and you'll be more on track.


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Try "Writer Manipulation" and you'll be more on track.

That's one way to look at it, but really, that applies to every character. Their abilities, and the extent of them, is what the current writer says they are. Wolverine, to take one example, has had healing factor ranging from "it saves me from death but I still get hurt" to "Drop a nuke on me, I don't care." You can tell the quality of the writer by how much they exercise that prerogative. Unfortunately, far too many of them have been saying "Screw everything that came before, we're doing things OUR way, and to hell with the older fans. We don't need them." And comics quality is suffering accordingly.
At its base, however, as developed through decades of good writers, conscientiously attempting to explain them, Wanda's powers are a mutant reality-altering ability (much like Proteus'), augmented by some form of magic taught her by Agatha Harkness. Call it Chaos Magic or not, and it was sloppy of Marvel (typical of them nowadays) to unilaterally declare that "there IS no Chaos Magic" when the concept is at least as old as the original D&D.

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This went in a different

This went in a different direction than I thought. No one else really liked the Chaos Warp animation/particle fx or any other power? i.e. Hopefully CoT can draw some inspiration from the way Marvel Heroes powersets were animated as I was pleasantly surprised by the design decisions.

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Try "Writer Manipulation" and you'll be more on track.

That's one way to look at it, but really, that applies to every character. Their abilities, and the extent of them, is what the current writer says they are. Wolverine, to take one example, has had healing factor ranging from "it saves me from death but I still get hurt" to "Drop a nuke on me, I don't care." You can tell the quality of the writer by how much they exercise that prerogative. Unfortunately, far too many of them have been saying "Screw everything that came before, we're doing things OUR way, and to hell with the older fans. We don't need them." And comics quality is suffering accordingly.
At its base, however, as developed through decades of good writers, conscientiously attempting to explain them, Wanda's powers are a mutant reality-altering ability (much like Proteus'), augmented by some form of magic taught her by Agatha Harkness. Call it Chaos Magic or not, and it was sloppy of Marvel (typical of them nowadays) to unilaterally declare that "there IS no Chaos Magic" when the concept is at least as old as the original D&D.

Just because a concept is rooted in a completely unrelated product doesn't mean it exists in the Marvel Universe.

I mean, mind flayers have existed in D&D for a while, I don't think they exist in the marvel universe.

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More specifically, early on

More specifically, early on it was stated that Wanda's mutant power allowed her to alter but not completely control probabilities, and that she attmpted to use magic to better control the outcome--which I thought was pretty cool.

Then both good and bad writing came into play. In her case, sadly, mostly bad. Plus the seemingly inevitable power creep.

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Empyrean wrote:
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More specifically, early on it was stated that Wanda's mutant power allowed her to alter but not completely control probabilities, and that she attmpted to use magic to better control the outcome--which I thought was pretty cool.

Then both good and bad writing came into play. In her case, sadly, mostly bad. Plus the seemingly inevitable power creep.

Well said. Unfortunately, certain characters seem to develop, only to be sent back to Go (without $200.00). Wanda goes mad and does mega-damage to everything (punching Reality WITHOUT making a dead Robin fall out back into existence). Wonder Man completely redefines himself. Hank Pym loses all the respect he had earned and returns to being just "the guy who hit his wife" (which was a complete misunderstanding, according to the Writer of that story in the first place). Jean Grey dies. Always happens when a writer runs out of ideas, or decides to try THEIR take on the old ideas. And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

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I'm fine with heroes

I'm fine with heroes redefining themselves. That happens with people too. And yeah, Hank Pym get's a bad rap, doesn't help that the ultimate universe version of him did that and worse.

And there's a lot of problems with comics. Though I don't think just starting over is the solution, both companies have tried that a few times to not much success. And to say they should start over with all new characters is essentially saying they should just become a new comics company. That move would lose them most of their old fans and doesn't guarantee any new ones.

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Mordheim13 wrote:
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And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

This wouldn’t bother me so much, except that they’re not consistent. I have ComiXology and read various titles. With Marvel things get confusing. If I read multiple Spider-Man issues, for example, I can’t tell how they relate to each other. In one, Peter Parker is the protagonist, in another it’s Miles Morales, and in another it’s Peter but as a teen. In another it’s adult Peter again but his friends and family are all different and he has a different background. You can’t even tell from the titles which version you’re getting (Ultimate, Spectacular, Web of, etc.) because often unrelated lines use the same name (I presume they’re distinguished by something like “volume” but who keeps track of that?).

Avengers? Forget it. Take that same problem above and multiply it by a random number because the roster is different in each one.

It’s at the point where I avoid Marvel now because I can’t follow their storylines. I have no idea what’s happening/happened to any one character. It’s like having a toddler or someone with dementia try to tell you a story.

I now just read whatever independent comic looks interesting because the big publishers have lost their minds. It’s sad, like part of my childhood is now dead. :(

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And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

This wouldn’t bother me so much, except that they’re not consistent. I have ComiXology and read various titles. With Marvel things get confusing. If I read multiple Spider-Man issues, for example, I can’t tell how they relate to each other. In one, Peter Parker is the protagonist, in another it’s Miles Morales, and in another it’s Peter but as a teen. In another it’s adult Peter again but his friends and family are all different and he has a different background. You can’t even tell from the titles which version you’re getting (Ultimate, Spectacular, Web of, etc.) because often unrelated lines use the same name (I presume they’re distinguished by something like “volume” but who keeps track of that?).

Avengers? Forget it. Take that same problem above and multiply it by a random number because the roster is different in each one.

It’s at the point where I avoid Marvel now because I can’t follow their storylines. I have no idea what’s happening/happened to any one character. It’s like having a toddler or someone with dementia try to tell you a story.

I now just read whatever independent comic looks interesting because the big publishers have lost their minds. It’s sad, like part of my childhood is now dead. :(

Thus the reason I quit collecting comics. I only followed Marvel. I could not stand DC. I religiously collected Iron Man (when I stopped in 92, I was missing 6 to have a complete collection), Moon Knight, Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Sgt Rock, Fury...and a few others. Things were beginning to change then that I really didn't like...especially with Iron Man. I came back a year or two later to look again and Iron Man...wasn't recognizable anymore. I said, nope and continued to focus soley on BattleTech! :)

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I pretty much only buy comics

I pretty much only buy comics in the graphic novel format. So I have no trouble following storylines (as long as those stories are, you know, not a complete mess).

Honestly the comics industry should ditch the individual issue format entirely and model itself more after the Manga industry (by which I mean how manga are sold and not the actual practices of making/producing it), which is doing really well over here recently.

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Atama wrote:
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And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

This wouldn’t bother me so much, except that they’re not consistent. I have ComiXology and read various titles. With Marvel things get confusing. If I read multiple Spider-Man issues, for example, I can’t tell how they relate to each other. In one, Peter Parker is the protagonist, in another it’s Miles Morales, and in another it’s Peter but as a teen. In another it’s adult Peter again but his friends and family are all different and he has a different background. You can’t even tell from the titles which version you’re getting (Ultimate, Spectacular, Web of, etc.) because often unrelated lines use the same name (I presume they’re distinguished by something like “volume” but who keeps track of that?).

Avengers? Forget it. Take that same problem above and multiply it by a random number because the roster is different in each one.

It’s at the point where I avoid Marvel now because I can’t follow their storylines. I have no idea what’s happening/happened to any one character. It’s like having a toddler or someone with dementia try to tell you a story.

I now just read whatever independent comic looks interesting because the big publishers have lost their minds. It’s sad, like part of my childhood is now dead. :(

Precisely. The inmates are running the asylum, now.
In other news, though: Yes, I am sure there is much that could be profitably influenced from visuals from various video games. And what there is, I am sure the Devs are all over. :)

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Ghost-Spectre wrote:
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And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

This wouldn’t bother me so much, except that they’re not consistent. I have ComiXology and read various titles. With Marvel things get confusing. If I read multiple Spider-Man issues, for example, I can’t tell how they relate to each other. In one, Peter Parker is the protagonist, in another it’s Miles Morales, and in another it’s Peter but as a teen. In another it’s adult Peter again but his friends and family are all different and he has a different background. You can’t even tell from the titles which version you’re getting (Ultimate, Spectacular, Web of, etc.) because often unrelated lines use the same name (I presume they’re distinguished by something like “volume” but who keeps track of that?).

Avengers? Forget it. Take that same problem above and multiply it by a random number because the roster is different in each one.

It’s at the point where I avoid Marvel now because I can’t follow their storylines. I have no idea what’s happening/happened to any one character. It’s like having a toddler or someone with dementia try to tell you a story.

I now just read whatever independent comic looks interesting because the big publishers have lost their minds. It’s sad, like part of my childhood is now dead. :(

Thus the reason I quit collecting comics. I only followed Marvel. I could not stand DC. I religiously collected Iron Man (when I stopped in 92, I was missing 6 to have a complete collection), Moon Knight, Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Sgt Rock, Fury...and a few others. Things were beginning to change then that I really didn't like...especially with Iron Man. I came back a year or two later to look again and Iron Man...wasn't recognizable anymore. I said, nope and continued to focus soley on BattleTech! :)

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Mordheim13 wrote:
Mordheim13 wrote:
Empyrean wrote:

More specifically, early on it was stated that Wanda's mutant power allowed her to alter but not completely control probabilities, and that she attmpted to use magic to better control the outcome--which I thought was pretty cool.

Then both good and bad writing came into play. In her case, sadly, mostly bad. Plus the seemingly inevitable power creep.

Well said. Unfortunately, certain characters seem to develop, only to be sent back to Go (without $200.00). Wanda goes mad and does mega-damage to everything (punching Reality WITHOUT making a dead Robin fall out back into existence). Wonder Man completely redefines himself. Hank Pym loses all the respect he had earned and returns to being just "the guy who hit his wife" (which was a complete misunderstanding, according to the Writer of that story in the first place). Jean Grey dies. Always happens when a writer runs out of ideas, or decides to try THEIR take on the old ideas. And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

They already did that. It's called the Ultimate Universe.

A lot of it sucked.

Just like how they're now trying to change more characters, believing it's just the name that sells the comic.

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There's been some good comics

There's been some good comics in recent years. I loved all of the ultimate Spiderman I've read (that's the ultimate comics universe stuff.) Runaways was great, has the new one come out yet? Anything by Gail Simone is usually received pretty well. I heard some of the New 52 Batman stuff was pretty alright.

So it's not all bad.

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Brand X wrote:
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Mordheim13 wrote:
Empyrean wrote:

More specifically, early on it was stated that Wanda's mutant power allowed her to alter but not completely control probabilities, and that she attmpted to use magic to better control the outcome--which I thought was pretty cool.

Then both good and bad writing came into play. In her case, sadly, mostly bad. Plus the seemingly inevitable power creep.

Well said. Unfortunately, certain characters seem to develop, only to be sent back to Go (without $200.00). Wanda goes mad and does mega-damage to everything (punching Reality WITHOUT making a dead Robin fall out back into existence). Wonder Man completely redefines himself. Hank Pym loses all the respect he had earned and returns to being just "the guy who hit his wife" (which was a complete misunderstanding, according to the Writer of that story in the first place). Jean Grey dies. Always happens when a writer runs out of ideas, or decides to try THEIR take on the old ideas. And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

They already did that. It's called the Ultimate Universe.

A lot of it sucked.

Just like how they're now trying to change more characters, believing it's just the name that sells the comic.

Yeah, they never used to change the characters.

Except all the times they did.

Reign of the Supermen
That time Azrael was Batman
The Green Lantern of earth changing hands
That time someone else was Thor, Kevin Masterson was their name
That time Rhodey was Iron Man
That time Hawkeye was Ronin
And the young avenger becoming Hawkeye
The entire clone saga
All the different Captain Americas
Those times Robin had an identity change
Blue Beetle like 3 times
Barry Allen becoming the flash then subsequently Wally West
Allen Scott no longer being Green Lantern

And I'm sure there's many more

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One of my old instructors

One of my old instructors told me that comic writers were constantly reimagining characters every few years to create an appeal to an ever changing audience. As young readers continue to become more sophisticated they need more involved concepts to keep the readership volumes up.

I don’t know if any of that was true, it sort of made sense to me at the time but it kind of sucks to see a version of a character you like be rewritten into one you just don’t connect with. Let alone to see it happen over and over, and it has been going on for decades it isn’t new at all.

I would rather see new characters written that have exactly the same abilities as another but with a different experience and background than the same character changed... but that’s just me...

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Brand X wrote:
Brand X wrote:
Mordheim13 wrote:
Empyrean wrote:

More specifically, early on it was stated that Wanda's mutant power allowed her to alter but not completely control probabilities, and that she attmpted to use magic to better control the outcome--which I thought was pretty cool.

Then both good and bad writing came into play. In her case, sadly, mostly bad. Plus the seemingly inevitable power creep.

Well said. Unfortunately, certain characters seem to develop, only to be sent back to Go (without $200.00). Wanda goes mad and does mega-damage to everything (punching Reality WITHOUT making a dead Robin fall out back into existence). Wonder Man completely redefines himself. Hank Pym loses all the respect he had earned and returns to being just "the guy who hit his wife" (which was a complete misunderstanding, according to the Writer of that story in the first place). Jean Grey dies. Always happens when a writer runs out of ideas, or decides to try THEIR take on the old ideas. And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

They already did that. It's called the Ultimate Universe.

A lot of it sucked.

Just like how they're now trying to change more characters, believing it's just the name that sells the comic.

Precisely. What I'm saying, though, is that they need to admit they no longer are capable of handling classic characters, bury the Marvel Universe entirely, and start over with all brand new characters, that they can do whatever with. Let the classics rest in peace, instead of warping them over and over to make political points.

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You do know that super heroes

You do know that super heroes are inherently a political statement, right?

About the only "political" thing I've disagreed with in comics in recent memory is the Cap hydra thing. Though admittedly I don't know too much about the actual comics it happened in.

Making a character the antithesis of what they are is bad for any kind of long term story, I think. Like any gun welding Batman, or killer Superman, etc. It's fine to have them be mind controlled or whatever for like an issue or two, but if the mainstay Superman title has him being eeeeevil for a long term would get tiresome fast.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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Brand X wrote:
Mordheim13 wrote:
Empyrean wrote:

More specifically, early on it was stated that Wanda's mutant power allowed her to alter but not completely control probabilities, and that she attmpted to use magic to better control the outcome--which I thought was pretty cool.

Then both good and bad writing came into play. In her case, sadly, mostly bad. Plus the seemingly inevitable power creep.

Well said. Unfortunately, certain characters seem to develop, only to be sent back to Go (without $200.00). Wanda goes mad and does mega-damage to everything (punching Reality WITHOUT making a dead Robin fall out back into existence). Wonder Man completely redefines himself. Hank Pym loses all the respect he had earned and returns to being just "the guy who hit his wife" (which was a complete misunderstanding, according to the Writer of that story in the first place). Jean Grey dies. Always happens when a writer runs out of ideas, or decides to try THEIR take on the old ideas. And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

They already did that. It's called the Ultimate Universe.

A lot of it sucked.

Just like how they're now trying to change more characters, believing it's just the name that sells the comic.

Yeah, they never used to change the characters.

Except all the times they did.

Reign of the Supermen
That time Azrael was Batman
The Green Lantern of earth changing hands
That time someone else was Thor, Kevin Masterson was their name
That time Rhodey was Iron Man
That time Hawkeye was Ronin
And the young avenger becoming Hawkeye
The entire clone saga
All the different Captain Americas
Those times Robin had an identity change
Blue Beetle like 3 times
Barry Allen becoming the flash then subsequently Wally West
Allen Scott no longer being Green Lantern

And I'm sure there's many more

You're right. Some of it worked. Lots of it hasn't.

Azrael as Batman. Guess who isn't Batman anymore? Guess who hasn't really seen that much? If you guessed Azrael, you'd be right. He went MANY years not being seen in the comics.

Superman Blue and Red? Guess what didn't last.

Some of the changes were also met with such statements as "This won't last."

Death of Superman? Death of Batman? These things don't last.

Even the other Caps haven't lasted. However, let's go back to those other Caps. What exactly was wrong with Falcon and Bucky as the heroes they already were?

Me personally, I hate seeing Dick dress up as Batman. No reason he can't bring fear to the criminals as Nightwing :p

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Brand X wrote:
Brand X wrote:
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Brand X wrote:
Mordheim13 wrote:
Empyrean wrote:

More specifically, early on it was stated that Wanda's mutant power allowed her to alter but not completely control probabilities, and that she attmpted to use magic to better control the outcome--which I thought was pretty cool.

Then both good and bad writing came into play. In her case, sadly, mostly bad. Plus the seemingly inevitable power creep.

Well said. Unfortunately, certain characters seem to develop, only to be sent back to Go (without $200.00). Wanda goes mad and does mega-damage to everything (punching Reality WITHOUT making a dead Robin fall out back into existence). Wonder Man completely redefines himself. Hank Pym loses all the respect he had earned and returns to being just "the guy who hit his wife" (which was a complete misunderstanding, according to the Writer of that story in the first place). Jean Grey dies. Always happens when a writer runs out of ideas, or decides to try THEIR take on the old ideas. And of course, these days Marvel self-destructs and is rebuilt every couple years anyway. :/ They really need to bury it all and start over with all new characters.

They already did that. It's called the Ultimate Universe.

A lot of it sucked.

Just like how they're now trying to change more characters, believing it's just the name that sells the comic.

Yeah, they never used to change the characters.

Except all the times they did.

Reign of the Supermen
That time Azrael was Batman
The Green Lantern of earth changing hands
That time someone else was Thor, Kevin Masterson was their name
That time Rhodey was Iron Man
That time Hawkeye was Ronin
And the young avenger becoming Hawkeye
The entire clone saga
All the different Captain Americas
Those times Robin had an identity change
Blue Beetle like 3 times
Barry Allen becoming the flash then subsequently Wally West
Allen Scott no longer being Green Lantern

And I'm sure there's many more

You're right. Some of it worked. Lots of it hasn't.

Azrael as Batman. Guess who isn't Batman anymore? Guess who hasn't really seen that much? If you guessed Azrael, you'd be right. He went MANY years not being seen in the comics.

Superman Blue and Red? Guess what didn't last.

Some of the changes were also met with such statements as "This won't last."

Death of Superman? Death of Batman? These things don't last.

Even the other Caps haven't lasted. However, let's go back to those other Caps. What exactly was wrong with Falcon and Bucky as the heroes they already were?

Me personally, I hate seeing Dick dress up as Batman. No reason he can't bring fear to the criminals as Nightwing :p

Bang on, both with the new Caps, and Dick as Batman. He is at his best as Nightwing.

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Nightwing is awesome. Batman is awesome. Nightwing as Batman is not.

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No but ice cream flavored tacos?... mmmmmm just saying... lol

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I said nobody sane... ;)

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Not taco-icecream, but icecream-taco.

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Chico taco = love! Cuckoo

Chico taco = love! Cuckoo cuckoo

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No but ice cream flavored tacos?... mmmmmm just saying... lol

Well dessert tacos ARE a thing...

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Nightwing as Batman was rad

Nightwing as Batman was rad as heck, so was Bucky as Cap.

These things probably don't last because tons of people don't give them a chance and complain at the company just because it's different. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most folks who complain about such changes never even read the thing with the changes.

Most reinventions to characters probably happen because sales are down, which means clearly the old character wasn't bringing in the cash, but then people complain when they're changed.

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Nightwing as Batman was rad as heck, so was Bucky as Cap.

These things probably don't last because tons of people don't give them a chance and complain at the company just because it's different. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most folks who complain about such changes never even read the thing with the changes.

Most reinventions to characters probably happen because sales are down, which means clearly the old character wasn't bringing in the cash, but then people complain when they're changed.

Bucky as Cap was sooooooo good! Super exciting, sometimes hilarious, and always interesting. Plus his costume was amazing.

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So good. So cool!

So good. So cool!

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Thus the reason I quit collecting comics. I only followed Marvel. I could not stand DC. I religiously collected Iron Man (when I stopped in 92, I was missing 6 to have a complete collection), Moon Knight, Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Sgt Rock, Fury...and a few others. Things were beginning to change then that I really didn't like...especially with Iron Man. I came back a year or two later to look again and Iron Man...wasn't recognizable anymore. I said, nope and continued to focus soley on BattleTech! :)

The noble House of Liao salutes your decision. 8)

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Project_Hero wrote:
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Nightwing as Batman was rad as heck, so was Bucky as Cap.

These things probably don't last because tons of people don't give them a chance and complain at the company just because it's different. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most folks who complain about such changes never even read the thing with the changes.

Most reinventions to characters probably happen because sales are down, which means clearly the old character wasn't bringing in the cash, but then people complain when they're changed.

I never said Bucky as Cap was terrible. I don't recall saying Dick as Batman was terrible. I just prefer him as Nightwing. I also said, what's wrong with them as their own super hero?

I'm someone who has given changes a chance. I know I can say, I've personally enjoyed all the Rogue changes for instance. I didn't care for the Gambit change (Apoc Horseman).

I don't mind X-23 as Wolverine, but I still wonder, what was wrong with her as X-23?

If the answer is, nothing. Why change her to Wolverine?

I also, still hate Damian :p

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I never said nor implied you

I never said nor implied you said those things.

Most of the reason for having a character take up a name is because of Marketing. How many non-comic fans know anything at all about X-23? How many of those same people could tell you who Wolverine is?

Granted this is a double edged sword as most who'd want to check out a Wolverine comic probably expect bubs McHairandclaws.

But I have zero problem with monikers changing hands as long as the stories are fine. If a writer thinks they've told all the stories there are to be told with a character, having another character come in to rejuvenate it makes a lot of sense. I mean how many Bruce Wayne Batman stories are there before it becomes "oh, yeah, this is a lot like this other story." How many times do we need to watch him face down poison ivy and her latest plant based caper? How many Robins are going to grow up beside him while he stays the exact same age?

Give me older Bruce Wayne, let Alfred die. Let Spiderman be married, pass the torch, let Aunt May die. Let heroes grow and change with the readers, then retire and let new heroes take on the challenge, either with their own identities or taking up the mantle of another.

Or, you know... Don't. Then have another reboot in a few years as the companies realize that Bruce should rightfully be about fifty in the current continuity, and Alfred's pushing 80... Or more.

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That time Rhodey was Iron Man

I forgot how long Rhodes was acting as Iron Man; however, that was an awesome story-line from start to finish. Tony's drinking issues, losing his corporation to the underhanded action of Obadiah Stane. Then finding himself on skid-row while Rhodes does his part for his life-long friend. Rhodes ends up with his issues with Tony's armor because it isn't tuned to his brain waves that ended with the birth of War Machine. I really enjoyed it as it made complete sense based on Tony's issues. That's the kind of writing I'd love to see this return.

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I cant wait!. I'm glad to see their still working on this project. Patiently waiting guys.

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I never said nor implied you said those things.

Most of the reason for having a character take up a name is because of Marketing. How many non-comic fans know anything at all about X-23? How many of those same people could tell you who Wolverine is?

Granted this is a double edged sword as most who'd want to check out a Wolverine comic probably expect bubs McHairandclaws.

But I have zero problem with monikers changing hands as long as the stories are fine. If a writer thinks they've told all the stories there are to be told with a character, having another character come in to rejuvenate it makes a lot of sense. I mean how many Bruce Wayne Batman stories are there before it becomes "oh, yeah, this is a lot like this other story." How many times do we need to watch him face down poison ivy and her latest plant based caper? How many Robins are going to grow up beside him while he stays the exact same age?

Give me older Bruce Wayne, let Alfred die. Let Spiderman be married, pass the torch, let Aunt May die. Let heroes grow and change with the readers, then retire and let new heroes take on the challenge, either with their own identities or taking up the mantle of another.

Or, you know... Don't. Then have another reboot in a few years as the companies realize that Bruce should rightfully be about fifty in the current continuity, and Alfred's pushing 80... Or more.

Maybe if they had the current monikers changing hands, starting with good stories.

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I never said nor implied you said those things.

Most of the reason for having a character take up a name is because of Marketing. How many non-comic fans know anything at all about X-23? How many of those same people could tell you who Wolverine is?

Granted this is a double edged sword as most who'd want to check out a Wolverine comic probably expect bubs McHairandclaws.

But I have zero problem with monikers changing hands as long as the stories are fine. If a writer thinks they've told all the stories there are to be told with a character, having another character come in to rejuvenate it makes a lot of sense. I mean how many Bruce Wayne Batman stories are there before it becomes "oh, yeah, this is a lot like this other story." How many times do we need to watch him face down poison ivy and her latest plant based caper? How many Robins are going to grow up beside him while he stays the exact same age?

Give me older Bruce Wayne, let Alfred die. Let Spiderman be married, pass the torch, let Aunt May die. Let heroes grow and change with the readers, then retire and let new heroes take on the challenge, either with their own identities or taking up the mantle of another.

Or, you know... Don't. Then have another reboot in a few years as the companies realize that Bruce should rightfully be about fifty in the current continuity, and Alfred's pushing 80... Or more.

Maybe if they had the current monikers changing hands, starting with good stories.

Exactly. Good stories are a must, not just a half-assed excuse to change a hero, so you can have Lady Thor, or Afro-Cap. And what was suggested with "let the originals grow old and die, and others take their place" is what I would like to see, but Marvel has shown themselves incapable of handling the responsibility. They need to bury the current MU and start over with all new characters that the new readers (all they seem to care about, if they care about ANYTHING other than their own desires) can grow up with.

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I don't think they need to

I don't think they need to bury the old MU. Some of the problems are on the fan base; comic fans don't seem to like change on the whole. The ones here seem to be smaller sect, judging from certain aspects of the fandom I've seen and read cry out. I am all for changing mantles, as that has ALWAYS made sense to me. Reading Batman, I thought that was the ENTIRE point I thought Bruce was doing with Robin. And then..he became Nightwing. Alright, he turned out awesome. New Robin, okay, try again. Um. Nope. Nada.

I really want the heroes to change, they've done it with GL, they did it with Flash, Blue Beetle. Marvel's tried it, some of them are hit or miss. I like some of Lady Thor (I kinda hate that name though. Just can't be Thor, eh?) A couple of the pages and stories are just meh to me. For the most part, I really liked Miles, trying to live up to Peter's image. I don 't understand why they just can't leave Cap alone. I liked Bucky and Sam as Cap. Both were his friends and totally makes sense that they would take up his mantle.

The heroes don't have to die. They can have a family, their offspring taking up the mantle or a friend or something. They could just retire, like "I'm too old for this s@#$" . Some could die, some could be like "..This costume, this persona isn't me anymore. I've changed. " and just plain give it up.

I'm with the people saying the storyline needs to be good for this. 100% agreed. Also, don;t change everything about them and then just...do the same stories over again. I would love to see A Goblin and a Spider be friends or more in a comic (This mighta been a thing, I think with May??)

I don 't mind the changes, I try to embrace them.

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No. Can't just be Thor. Thor

No. Can't just be Thor. Thor is Thor Odinson. Jane Foster as "Thor" is a demeaning attempt to replace a white male character with a female. It's worse than when they made Eric Masterson "Thor" for awhile. At least people weren't slobbering over "how much better" he was than the real Thor. If anything, he was a hard-luck, Spider-Man style hero, and he certainly never had any delusions about his abilities. "Lady Thor" is downright insulting. It not only annoys me on its own merits, it makes me feel as if I'm being patronized. "Look! We made a powerful female character, and replaced a powerful male character with her! See how modern we are?" Screw that. So "Lady Thor" it is, when I'm being generous about it. :)

Game related wondering: Perhaps this has been answered elsewhere, but... will there be weapon-type power-sets? Hammers (since we were discussing Thor), swords, bows, guns? Not just costume parts, but actual power sets? CoX did this, obviously, surely CoT will, but even better, since there are over 6 years of advances in technology to draw from? I was never a fan of the Cable- or Bishop-style Super-cannons, but it would be good for them to be an option, as one example.

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No. Can't just be Thor. Thor is Thor Odinson. Jane Foster as "Thor" is a demeaning attempt to replace a white male character with a female. It's worse than when they made Eric Masterson "Thor" for awhile. At least people weren't slobbering over "how much better" he was than the real Thor. If anything, he was a hard-luck, Spider-Man style hero, and he certainly never had any delusions about his abilities. "Lady Thor" is downright insulting. It not only annoys me on its own merits, it makes me feel as if I'm being patronized. "Look! We made a powerful female character, and replaced a powerful male character with her! See how modern we are?" Screw that. So "Lady Thor" it is, when I'm being generous about it. :)

The message is muddy, but I don't get how you're being patronized. I'm unsure of most people's genders so I assume neutral until told otherwise. I'm not offended by a female Thor. I'm a white male, for those playing at home. I think some aspects of 'Lady' Thor ARE better than Thor Odinson. I think most of the dialogue is better and I find it interesting to what a mortal person would do with the power of Thor. Especially one that is closer to the deity than Eric Masterson was. I think some of the writing has been too heavy handed, I'll agree with. I hope they listen to feedback, and learn from mistakes and perhaps we'll get some better stories later. I'm not on the cutting edge of comics as of late, so I may be wrong.

Back to the 'Thor' thing, the powers of Thor are granted by his hammer, Mjolnir, if I recall correctly . Therefore, whoever is holding the hammer, and commanding the powers, is thusly Thor. Thor has become a title one can assume and this case, it has been a female. On the surface, I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, I was amused to fidn out it was Jane who had been granted the power, because a week earlier, I was discussing with co-workers on who would be worthy. Jane Foster came up, but we all, including me, laughed it off. "No way would they give Thor's hammer to a chick." We just didn't think it was a move many companies would make.

Again, I see nothing wrong on the surface of changing Thor to a woman, or Black Panther, or Cap or Batman or the Flash. I will look at the story and judge it accordingly, and I'll be honest, I'll probably disappointed as I have been with my comics lately. That has less to do with any gender, racial, or otherwise changes and more of how I feel like Marvel needs to take a moment and refresh their ideas may be. DC seems to have done so after..well, turning the Justice League into a group that would brain wipe someone..Anyways..

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At first Thor was Dr. Donald

At first Thor was Dr. Donald Blake, who found Mjolnir in a cave by accident and turned into Thor.

Marvel later changed their minds and decided Thor was the actual Thor, an immortal Norse god and a member of a large pantheon of gods in Asgard. They retconned the Blake thing by saying Odin tricked Thor into learning humility by turning him into a gimp-legged human and made him earn back the mantle.

And that was all well and good. Thor is the actual Thor of legend.

Not anymore. Now Thor isn’t really Thor, but a human who gets Thor’s powers again. Jane isn’t actually Thor any more than an Elvis impersonator is Elvis Presley. I’m okay with someone taking on Thor’s role and powers but it’s very disingenuous to actually call her “Thor”. Because no, it’s not a title or a superhero moniker, it’s a person. It’s not like someone putting on Batman’s costume and gear and fighting crime in Gotham because Bruce Wayne was Bruce Wayne and Batman was a symbol. Thor’s an actual person and Jane isn’t him.

Not sure what else she should go by, but it just shouldn’t be Thor.

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From a quick read on

From a quick read on Wikipedia Thor relinquished his name and title to her. So she is now Thor.

Has all the powers of Thor, carries Thor's hammer. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

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From a quick read on Wikipedia Thor relinquished his name and title to her. So she is now Thor.

Has all the powers of Thor, carries Thor's hammer. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Except she doesn't, either one. Bad writing does not make for an acceptable new reality. They might as well make Howard the Duck the new Thor. She is not Thor, she is a piece of PC bullshit Marvel put forth to make people think they give a shit about minorities, rather than just making money. And most people are too stupid to realize they are being patronized. If they want to give us more minority characters (and they should-- too many of the ones they have are simple stereotypes), they need to make the effort of creating new characters that can stand the test of time like the old ones, not simply say "Okay, Straight White Male, you're OUTTA HERE!" You don't make things right for perceived mistreatment by mistreating other people.

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Not sure what else she should go by, but it just shouldn’t be Thor.

... Cancker Thor? >.> <.<

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From a quick read on Wikipedia Thor relinquished his name and title to her. So she is now Thor.

Has all the powers of Thor, carries Thor's hammer. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Except she doesn't, either one. Bad writing does not make for an acceptable new reality. They might as well make Howard the Duck the new Thor. She is not Thor, she is a piece of PC bullshit Marvel put forth to make people think they give a shit about minorities, rather than just making money. And most people are too stupid to realize they are being patronized. If they want to give us more minority characters (and they should-- too many of the ones they have are simple stereotypes), they need to make the effort of creating new characters that can stand the test of time like the old ones, not simply say "Okay, Straight White Male, you're OUTTA HERE!" You don't make things right for perceived mistreatment by mistreating other people.

Interesting point of view. I never got that from it. Rather I just see it as one more datapoint in a recent trend of the market. In fact, I see it as the clash of two opposing trends, ironic as it is. I'll explain what I mean:

Why are there so many female characters in MMOs even though most players are male?

I don't know the actual answer, but I can presume that men would rather watch a female, especially from behind, than another guy. In other words, people are making their own fan-service. Likewise the average comic book reader pays more for looking at pages of idealized women than pages of idealized men, with all other things being the same.

This is the recent trend of objectifying women as the preferred skin over an otherwise genderless character. (after all, nearly all modern media is telling us there is no difference between the nature and abilities of men and women. CoT will be no different. So why not?)

Conversely, there is also a modern push to show that women can be heroic role models as well. An active effort is underway to put positive female role models in front of our faces. Ashley Johnson did a great job of expressing this in her acceptance speech for her Bafta award.

So the recent Thor is very possibly the alignment of both of those seemingly opposite motives. It is both the reskinning of a character for fan service as well as a nod to female empowerment.

Interestingly, I think the whole concept of Thor as a badass female is pretty cool and redefines the character of Thor back to its comic book origins; which I find will be a far more entertaining version of the character going forward. Who knows who will be the next Thor and what character crises that person will have to overcome.


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*cough*BetaRayBill*cough*

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*cough*BetaRayBill*cough*

Beta Ray Bill is awesome.

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From a quick read on Wikipedia Thor relinquished his name and title to her. So she is now Thor.

Has all the powers of Thor, carries Thor's hammer. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Except she doesn't, either one. Bad writing does not make for an acceptable new reality. They might as well make Howard the Duck the new Thor. She is not Thor, she is a piece of PC bullshit Marvel put forth to make people think they give a shit about minorities, rather than just making money. And most people are too stupid to realize they are being patronized. If they want to give us more minority characters (and they should-- too many of the ones they have are simple stereotypes), they need to make the effort of creating new characters that can stand the test of time like the old ones, not simply say "Okay, Straight White Male, you're OUTTA HERE!" You don't make things right for perceived mistreatment by mistreating other people.

Creating characters that stand the test of time is kinda hard when when they do make new minority heroes people (read as white male comic fans) tend to just write them off as "a piece of PC bullshit".

Also such a problem goes hand in hand with comic books not marketing out of comic book stores and having a bunch of fans who are gatekeeping asshats.

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*cough*BetaRayBill*cough*

Beta Ray Bill is awesome.

Agreed. That’s how to do someone with Thor powers who’s not Thor!

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*cough*BetaRayBill*cough*

Beta Ray Bill is awesome.

Agreed. That’s how to do someone with Thor powers who’s not Thor!

BRB isn't even male or female!

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*cough*BetaRayBill*cough*

Beta Ray Bill is awesome.

Agreed. That’s how to do someone with Thor powers who’s not Thor!

BRB isn't even male or female!

I went on a big Beta Ray Bill kick some years ago and I regret nothing. NOTHING.

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Look at that handsome equine alien.

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I'm annoyed at how MCU

I'm annoyed at how MCU TOTALLY INVERTED MJOLNIR!

NO! Thor IS THE HAMMER! The HAMMER is the GOD! Not a tool to make his existant powers easier to use.


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*cough*BetaRayBill*cough*

Beta Ray Bill is awesome.

Agreed. That’s how to do someone with Thor powers who’s not Thor!

Precisely.

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From a quick read on Wikipedia Thor relinquished his name and title to her. So she is now Thor.

Has all the powers of Thor, carries Thor's hammer. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Except she doesn't, either one. Bad writing does not make for an acceptable new reality. They might as well make Howard the Duck the new Thor. She is not Thor, she is a piece of PC bullshit Marvel put forth to make people think they give a shit about minorities, rather than just making money. And most people are too stupid to realize they are being patronized. If they want to give us more minority characters (and they should-- too many of the ones they have are simple stereotypes), they need to make the effort of creating new characters that can stand the test of time like the old ones, not simply say "Okay, Straight White Male, you're OUTTA HERE!" You don't make things right for perceived mistreatment by mistreating other people.

Creating characters that stand the test of time is kinda hard when when they do make new minority heroes people (read as white male comic fans) tend to just write them off as "a piece of PC bullshit".

Also such a problem goes hand in hand with comic books not marketing out of comic book stores and having a bunch of fans who are gatekeeping asshats.

As opposed to the "Change Everything For the Sake of Change" Asshats. Not saying YOU are one of those, anymore than you SAID I am one of the "Gatekeeping" Asshats, just acknowledging that the one is at least as prevalent and virulent as the other.

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It's less change everything

It's less change everything for the sake of change though. It's change things for the sake of inclusivity. Or in the big companies minds change for the sake of increasing revenue.

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I'm annoyed at how MCU TOTALLY INVERTED MJOLNIR!

NO! Thor IS THE HAMMER! The HAMMER is the GOD! Not a tool to make his existant powers easier to use.

I do miss the hammer in MCU. But it's not as bad as when they made Silver Surfer's power come from his board. Or Dr. Doom a freaking electric troller, for that matter.

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Look at that handsome equine alien.

Beta Ray Bill is such an anomaly.

Somehow, he is awesome... but how?!?!

I mean, if you told the plot to someone who didn't read the comics, "well, there was sentient this ship full of sleeping aliens called Skuttlebutt... yeah, that is a silly name... and then the it's guardian who looked kinda like a horse attacked Thor... no, all the aliens don't look like horses, just him... and the alien's name was Beta Ray Bill... no, not Billy Ray, Beta Ray Bill... and then he was worthy enough to wield Thor's hammer... no, I don't know exactly what the hammer's worthiness parameters are... and then Odin thought the alien was Thor... no, Odin hadn't lost his other eye... and then the alien beat Thor but then gave him his hammer back... yeah, that was nice of him... so then they made him his own hammer just as powerful as Thor's but it looked kind of like a wood maul, but golden... anyway, it was really cool and Beta Ray Bill is really awesome! No, not Billy Ray Beta--Beta Ray Bill!"

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"well, there was sentient this ship full of sleeping aliens called Skuttlebutt... yeah, that is a silly name... and then the it's guardian who looked kinda like a horse attacked Thor... no, all the aliens don't look like horses, just him... and the alien's name was Beta Ray Bill... no, not Billy Ray, Beta Ray Bill... and then he was worthy enough to wield Thor's hammer... no, I don't know exactly what the hammer's worthiness parameters are... and then Odin thought the alien was Thor... no, Odin hadn't lost his other eye... and then the alien beat Thor but then gave him his hammer back... yeah, that was nice of him... so then they made him his own hammer just as powerful as Thor's but it looked kind of like a wood maul, but golden... anyway, it was really cool and Beta Ray Bill is really awesome! No, not Billy Ray Beta--Beta Ray Bill!"

I literally laughed out loud reading this. Well done.

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From a quick read on Wikipedia Thor relinquished his name and title to her. So she is now Thor.

Has all the powers of Thor, carries Thor's hammer. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Just because they do it, doesn't make it good. They made Captain America a Nazi. Not good.

Give away his hammer and the power that comes with it, sure. Make whoever wields it Thor? Not so much.

In fact, I don't recall anyone else grabbing the Hammer and going "I am now Thor!" Cap didn't.

Though even that is a bit off with the current MCU. Thor loses his hammer and still has all the powers of Thor. So Thor is Thor with or without the hammer, because he's Thor God of Thunder, not Thor God of Hammers. :p

Mind you, they didn't get rid of Thor when they made him unworthy of the Hammer. They just changed his name. :p So they didn't even kill him off. They just said, "Oh, Thor, who is born with that name, it's not a title, isn't Thor anymore" It was bad writing.

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Not all changes are good,

Not all changes are good, agreed. I don't agree with making Cap a Nazi, it just seems to anathema to the character. They didn't need to get rid of Thor, either, so that point is moot. It might be bad writing, but that's going to be subjective for the most part.

I don't think changing them for the sake of changing them is the way to go, but as I said, I think some of the impetus (I used that right, yeah? <.<) is on the readers. I hve heard people say bad things bout Bucky or Sam only because they replaced Cap. Never gave them a chance, wouldn't even read it. Same thing with Batman, and there was dissension when they made Wally the Flash. N ow, that change lasted for awhile before someone decided to bring Barry back.

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From a quick read on Wikipedia Thor relinquished his name and title to her. So she is now Thor.

Has all the powers of Thor, carries Thor's hammer. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Just because they do it, doesn't make it good. They made Captain America a Nazi. Not good.

Give away his hammer and the power that comes with it, sure. Make whoever wields it Thor? Not so much.

In fact, I don't recall anyone else grabbing the Hammer and going "I am now Thor!" Cap didn't.

Though even that is a bit off with the current MCU. Thor loses his hammer and still has all the powers of Thor. So Thor is Thor with or without the hammer, because he's Thor God of Thunder, not Thor God of Hammers. :p

Mind you, they didn't get rid of Thor when they made him unworthy of the Hammer. They just changed his name. :p So they didn't even kill him off. They just said, "Oh, Thor, who is born with that name, it's not a title, isn't Thor anymore" It was bad writing.

This, all day long. You could have a writer that writes that Lenny the Mailman delivered mail to Namor, so now Namor is in a coma, so Lenny the Mailman is the new King of Atlantis. That might be the new Marvel status, but that doesn't make it good writing. Neither does making Jane Foster "Thor" to prove that "anything boys can do girls can do better." I don't NEED that kind of BS to make me feel good about myself, and I feel sorry for anyone who does.

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Mordheim13 wrote:
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From a quick read on Wikipedia Thor relinquished his name and title to her. So she is now Thor.

Has all the powers of Thor, carries Thor's hammer. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Just because they do it, doesn't make it good. They made Captain America a Nazi. Not good.

Give away his hammer and the power that comes with it, sure. Make whoever wields it Thor? Not so much.

In fact, I don't recall anyone else grabbing the Hammer and going "I am now Thor!" Cap didn't.

Though even that is a bit off with the current MCU. Thor loses his hammer and still has all the powers of Thor. So Thor is Thor with or without the hammer, because he's Thor God of Thunder, not Thor God of Hammers. :p

Mind you, they didn't get rid of Thor when they made him unworthy of the Hammer. They just changed his name. :p So they didn't even kill him off. They just said, "Oh, Thor, who is born with that name, it's not a title, isn't Thor anymore" It was bad writing.

This, all day long. You could have a writer that writes that Lenny the Mailman delivered mail to Namor, so now Namor is in a coma, so Lenny the Mailman is the new King of Atlantis. That might be the new Marvel status, but that doesn't make it good writing. Neither does making Jane Foster "Thor" to prove that "anything boys can do girls can do better." I don't NEED that kind of BS to make me feel good about myself, and I feel sorry for anyone who does.

That'd be one hell of a mail man to get mail to Atlantis. I support Lenny becoming the new Namor.

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That'd be one hell of a mail man to get mail to Atlantis. I support Lenny becoming the new Namor.

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That'd be one hell of a mail man to get mail to Atlantis. I support Lenny becoming the new Namor.

Neither snow nor rain nor sharks nor 1,000 bars of pressure stays Lenny from the swift completion of his appointed rounds.

He's already a goddamn super hero, add on all the powers of Namor and he'll be unstoppable!

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That'd be one hell of a mail man to get mail to Atlantis. I support Lenny becoming the new Namor.

Neither snow nor rain nor sharks nor 1,000 bars of pressure stays Lenny from the swift completion of his appointed rounds.

He's already a goddamn super hero, add on all the powers of Namor and he'll be unstoppable!

Y'all DO know that Namor lived on land for a long time in the 90s, running his corporation, Oracle, Inc.? Or maybe you don't, because you've only read the trash, Marvel has put out since the 2000s.

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Mordheim13 wrote:
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That'd be one hell of a mail man to get mail to Atlantis. I support Lenny becoming the new Namor.

Neither snow nor rain nor sharks nor 1,000 bars of pressure stays Lenny from the swift completion of his appointed rounds.

He's already a goddamn super hero, add on all the powers of Namor and he'll be unstoppable!

Y'all DO know that Namor lived on land for a long time in the 90s, running his corporation, Oracle, Inc.? Or maybe you don't, because you've only read the trash, Marvel has put out since the 2000s.

I wasn't aware it was still the 90's.

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Mordheim13 wrote:
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That'd be one hell of a mail man to get mail to Atlantis. I support Lenny becoming the new Namor.

Neither snow nor rain nor sharks nor 1,000 bars of pressure stays Lenny from the swift completion of his appointed rounds.

He's already a goddamn super hero, add on all the powers of Namor and he'll be unstoppable!

Y'all DO know that Namor lived on land for a long time in the 90s, running his corporation, Oracle, Inc.? Or maybe you don't, because you've only read the trash, Marvel has put out since the 2000s.

I mostly read the Sub-Mariner stories from earlier than the 90s.

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How do we find out what level we are as a Kickstarter backer? It's been so long that I've forgotten what I was able to put in.

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How do we find out what level we are as a Kickstarter backer? It's been so long that I've forgotten what I was able to put in.

IIRC, that info is stored on the kickstarter website, assuming you can remember your kickstarter log in.

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How do we find out what level we are as a Kickstarter backer? It's been so long that I've forgotten what I was able to put in.

IIRC, that info is stored on the kickstarter website, assuming you can remember your kickstarter log in.

This is a serious “if” for me. I only made a kickstarter to support CoT. Lord knows if I’ll ever remember my sign in ????

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How do we find out what level we are as a Kickstarter backer? It's been so long that I've forgotten what I was able to put in.

IIRC, that info is stored on the kickstarter website, assuming you can remember your kickstarter log in.

This is a serious “if” for me. I only made a kickstarter to support CoT. Lord knows if I’ll ever remember my sign in ????

Yeah I'm pretty much in the same boat - I think I've only logged into the KS page about 2 or 3 times since the original CoT KS run.

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If you can remember and access the email account you used, they should be able to recover your password or let you set a new one. Some verification of your ID may be needed.

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Lothic wrote:
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FaerieDragyn wrote:

How do we find out what level we are as a Kickstarter backer? It's been so long that I've forgotten what I was able to put in.

IIRC, that info is stored on the kickstarter website, assuming you can remember your kickstarter log in.

This is a serious “if” for me. I only made a kickstarter to support CoT. Lord knows if I’ll ever remember my sign in ????

Yeah I'm pretty much in the same boat - I think I've only logged into the KS page about 2 or 3 times since the original CoT KS run.

Same. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I was strapped enough I was able to donate only a small amount, which is easy to remember.

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So, we're discussing July-August for backer access, October-November for more open access.

Aaaaand there go my plans for playing BfA.

Mordheim13 wrote:

Or, perhaps it's more like in D&D (or Pathfinder), where even if you know there's an invisible person around, and you're pretty sure you know where they are, you still have a 50% chance of missing them altogether because you can't target them as well as if you could see them. For all you know, they're not even where you're aiming.

That's what AoE attacks are for.

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Please, do to save the uniform out of the game! After then give to put in the game!

IIRC that was already confirmed.

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I had some comments. But they were lost in the depth of this dive.

'Quote' and 'open in new tab' are your friends here.

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Mordheim13, as you are someone who quotes the Bible in his or her posts, I would have expected better from you.

Must...resist...snarking.

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Game related wondering: Perhaps this has been answered elsewhere, but... will there be weapon-type power-sets? Hammers (since we were discussing Thor), swords, bows, guns? Not just costume parts, but actual power sets?

Weapons are props (part of your costume) and thus seperate from the actual power sets.
That means you can use your hammer not only for melee sets, but also as an emanation point for control, support and ranged powers.

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So, we're discussing July-August for backer access, October-November for more open access.

Aaaaand there go my plans for playing BfA.

Mordheim13 wrote:

Or, perhaps it's more like in D&D (or Pathfinder), where even if you know there's an invisible person around, and you're pretty sure you know where they are, you still have a 50% chance of missing them altogether because you can't target them as well as if you could see them. For all you know, they're not even where you're aiming.

That's what AoE attacks are for.

Just thought I would note that I love Grrl Power and am happy to see somebody share it!

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So, we're discussing July-August for backer access, October-November for more open access.

Aaaaand there go my plans for playing BfA.

Mordheim13 wrote:

Or, perhaps it's more like in D&D (or Pathfinder), where even if you know there's an invisible person around, and you're pretty sure you know where they are, you still have a 50% chance of missing them altogether because you can't target them as well as if you could see them. For all you know, they're not even where you're aiming.

That's what AoE attacks are for.

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Please, do to save the uniform out of the game! After then give to put in the game!

IIRC that was already confirmed.

Grimfox wrote:

I had some comments. But they were lost in the depth of this dive.

'Quote' and 'open in new tab' are your friends here.

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Mordheim13, as you are someone who quotes the Bible in his or her posts, I would have expected better from you.

Must...resist...snarking.

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Game related wondering: Perhaps this has been answered elsewhere, but... will there be weapon-type power-sets? Hammers (since we were discussing Thor), swords, bows, guns? Not just costume parts, but actual power sets?

Weapons are props (part of your costume) and thus seperate from the actual power sets.
That means you can use your hammer not only for melee sets, but also as an emanation point for control, support and ranged powers.

1. Snarking about what? As I remarked, even Satan quotes Scripture, so "expecting better" from someone who quotes Scripture is silly. Especially when "expecting better" just means "agreeing with ME."
2. That makes sense. Also takes away the dilemma that people had who wished to play a Thor-style character in CoH: Do I make a Hammer Tanker and try to find ways to simulate the weather powers? Or do I make a Controller and just deal with the fact that "Thor" is squishy and doesn't have a hammer? (This was before the MCU's awesome "Are you Thor, God of Hammers?" line.) It also allows, for big Mythology buffs, a Hercules who carries a bow (which he often did, thus being able to slay the Stymphalian birds, though renditions of him often show him with only a mace, or even a club.).

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As I understand the whole

As I understand the whole props powers and aesthetics thing you can do things a few ways.

1. Make a hammer wielding tank then grab some tertiary blasting/control powers for weather stuff. I believe you'll be able to make them eminate from the prop (the hammer)

2. Make a controller, skin the powers as storm focused, make them eminate from your prop, the hammer, then take some tertiary defensive and melee powers using the prop, hammer, for the melee powers.

As I understand it you can make a Thor who's more squishy but is more about weather control, or a Thor who's tougher and more about hammering in melee.

Personally I'd go with the defense/melee with blast and control tertiaries.

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As I understand the whole props powers and aesthetics thing you can do things a few ways.

1. Make a hammer wielding tank then grab some tertiary blasting/control powers for weather stuff. I believe you'll be able to make them eminate from the prop (the hammer)

2. Make a controller, skin the powers as storm focused, make them eminate from your prop, the hammer, then take some tertiary defensive and melee powers using the prop, hammer, for the melee powers.

As I understand it you can make a Thor who's more squishy but is more about weather control, or a Thor who's tougher and more about hammering in melee.

Personally I'd go with the defense/melee with blast and control tertiaries.

That would be more classic, real Thor from the comics. Probably the best build, from that standpoint.

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Granted for control

Granted for control tertiaries you'd need to wait till they're released, as they won't be there at launch from my understanding.

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How can you not love having

How can you not love having the freedom to plan out a character like this? I’ve never seen a game that so divorces aesthetics from powers, of any genre. Do you want a cowboy who shoots tornadoes from his six-shooter? Do you want a little girl with a bird on her shoulder that generates force fields from its beak? Do you want a fat guy who sends out shockwaves when he punches? You can probably do all of that. (We’ll see!)

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Atama wrote:
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How can you not love having the freedom to plan out a character like this? I’ve never seen a game that so divorces aesthetics from powers, of any genre. Do you want a cowboy who shoots tornadoes from his six-shooter? Do you want a little girl with a bird on her shoulder that generates force fields from its beak? Do you want a fat guy who sends out shockwaves when he punches? You can probably do all of that. (We’ll see!)

YES! YES! I want it all! (Except the fat guy... but no doubt SOMEONE will want that, and the likelihood that they can have it is awesome!) :D

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Snarking about what? As I remarked, even Satan quotes Scripture, so "expecting better" from someone who quotes Scripture is silly. Especially when "expecting better" just means "agreeing with ME."

Believe me, as an atheist I'm fully aware that 'quoting scripture' does not make one a better person. Hell, sometimes I do it myself*... my personal favourite is Matthew 6:5-8.
And now, nothing more of this... sports, religion and politics are the three most likely topics to divide people. Something I'd rather not have happen here.
Also, snark is my usual form of communication. I just cut back on it here to keep things peaceful.

As for prop-Thor, I fully intend to make one myself. He'll be a Super Strength Bulwark, using his hammer to fling baddies around and to shoot lightning-fx tertiary ranged powers. The second build won't use a hammer or SS, but magical, strength boosting, iron gauntlets and Massive Melee. Not sure about his primary powers yet... I'll have to test those sets first.
Probably gonna name him Donar Redbeard.

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I remembered a thought!

In COH after many years of having both a buff and debuff enhancement classes they were finally merged such that only one version of the two remained. This single enh could be used in either capacity as appropriate for the power, sometimes buffing both the buff and debuff. It seems like history is repeating itself here. What is the thinking behind restoring the separation of buff and debuff?

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Grimfox wrote:
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I remembered a thought!

In COH after many years of having both a buff and debuff enhancement classes they were finally merged such that only one version of the two remained. This single enh could be used in either capacity as appropriate for the power, sometimes buffing both the buff and debuff. It seems like history is repeating itself here. What is the thinking behind restoring the separation of buff and debuff?

You may be referring to Endurance Mod enhancement.

Rheee still was Defense DeBuff and ToHit debuff.

Our system allows for many more debuff effects to be improved. The way we designed Augments is by the distinct functional categories they improve.- the channels of effect.

Buffs being a positive effect and debuff a negative result they are essentially different “channels” of output.


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Grimfox wrote:
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I remembered a thought!

In COH after many years of having both a buff and debuff enhancement classes they were finally merged such that only one version of the two remained. This single enh could be used in either capacity as appropriate for the power, sometimes buffing both the buff and debuff. It seems like history is repeating itself here. What is the thinking behind restoring the separation of buff and debuff?

Could you give some examples since the only one I remember doing that, and as Tannim mentions, was the End Mod enhancement? Otherwise there were separate enhc for buff and debuff respectively, and separate for each stat as well.

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blacke4dawn wrote:
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I remembered a thought!

In COH after many years of having both a buff and debuff enhancement classes they were finally merged such that only one version of the two remained. This single enh could be used in either capacity as appropriate for the power, sometimes buffing both the buff and debuff. It seems like history is repeating itself here. What is the thinking behind restoring the separation of buff and debuff?

Could you give some examples since the only one I remember doing that, and as Tannim mentions, was the End Mod enhancement? Otherwise there were separate enhc for buff and debuff respectively, and separate for each stat as well.

The only thing, I think, that possibly could be were the Hamidon Origin Enhancements:

https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Hamidon_Origin_Enhancements

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MeSoSollyWan wrote:
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Grimfox wrote:

I remembered a thought!

In COH after many years of having both a buff and debuff enhancement classes they were finally merged such that only one version of the two remained. This single enh could be used in either capacity as appropriate for the power, sometimes buffing both the buff and debuff. It seems like history is repeating itself here. What is the thinking behind restoring the separation of buff and debuff?

Could you give some examples since the only one I remember doing that, and as Tannim mentions, was the End Mod enhancement? Otherwise there were separate enhc for buff and debuff respectively, and separate for each stat as well.

The only thing, I think, that possibly could be were the Hamidon Origin Enhancements:

https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Hamidon_Origin_Enhancements

No not really. They don't enhance a buff and a debuff at the same time, it's one or the other type. Sure they enhance two or more "attributes" but that wasn't really the initial statement.

And just to be clear, enhancing a power own accuracy is not the same as a buff.

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blacke4dawn wrote:
Grimfox wrote:

I remembered a thought!

In COH after many years of having both a buff and debuff enhancement classes they were finally merged such that only one version of the two remained. This single enh could be used in either capacity as appropriate for the power, sometimes buffing both the buff and debuff. It seems like history is repeating itself here. What is the thinking behind restoring the separation of buff and debuff?

Could you give some examples since the only one I remember doing that, and as Tannim mentions, was the End Mod enhancement? Otherwise there were separate enhc for buff and debuff respectively, and separate for each stat as well.

The only thing, I think, that possibly could be were the Hamidon Origin Enhancements:

https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Hamidon_Origin_Enhancements

No not really. They don't enhance a buff and a debuff at the same time, it's one or the other type. Sure they enhance two or more "attributes" but that wasn't really the initial statement.

And just to be clear, enhancing a power own accuracy is not the same as a buff.

If you read the whole article you will see they in fact, did, enhance a Buff and DeBuff at the same time. Down in the Historical - Multiple Types Exploit section it's explained.

They did this for yeeeaaaars until it was patched out all the way out in Issue 22.

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Grimfox wrote:

I remembered a thought!

In COH after many years of having both a buff and debuff enhancement classes they were finally merged such that only one version of the two remained. This single enh could be used in either capacity as appropriate for the power, sometimes buffing both the buff and debuff. It seems like history is repeating itself here. What is the thinking behind restoring the separation of buff and debuff?

Could you give some examples since the only one I remember doing that, and as Tannim mentions, was the End Mod enhancement? Otherwise there were separate enhc for buff and debuff respectively, and separate for each stat as well.

The only thing, I think, that possibly could be were the Hamidon Origin Enhancements:

https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Hamidon_Origin_Enhancements

No not really. They don't enhance a buff and a debuff at the same time, it's one or the other type. Sure they enhance two or more "attributes" but that wasn't really the initial statement.

And just to be clear, enhancing a power own accuracy is not the same as a buff.

If you read the whole article you will see they in fact, did, enhance a Buff and DeBuff at the same time. Down in the Historical - Multiple Types Exploit section it's explained.

They did this for yeeeaaaars until it was patched out all the way out in Issue 22.

Fair enough, forgot about that but then it goes the opposite way of what Grimfox said. Though that could be simple misremembering on their part.

However, having one single augment for all buffs (including healing) and one single for all debuffs is enough of a consolidation imo.

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