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Discuss: Landmarks and Moguls 2

Showing off some of the great work of our Landmarks team. Big thanks to Nate Purkiss for making this one happen.

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Nice update! Love seeing what

Nice update! Love seeing what we can expect to see from the cityscapes. Great work!

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Looks fantastic so far!

Looks fantastic so far! Compliments to the chef.

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Trying to get past the pre

Trying to get past the pre-alpha plasticy look :p

https://cityoftitans.com/sites/default/files/1%20City%20Hall%202wm.jpg

Biggest critisism here, on the sides, it looks like the furthest portion is totally unsusable as office space. Would be better served as a booth of some sort or just hollow concrete.

https://cityoftitans.com/sites/default/files/7%20Ephesus_Harlan%20Law%20School%201wm.jpg

Brutalist architecture is hilarious :p It looks like it was built upside down.

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My favorite by a long shot, but of course my favorite characters are dark, mystic types so yeah :p

Overall, let's just say I wish I'd've gotten a Mogul ;)


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Keep in mind that these will

Keep in mind that these will all undergo more texturing and finishing work. We just wanted to show off some of the new goodies.

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Great update. Love seeing

Great update. Love seeing this stuff. Phenomenal diversity in architectural styles and just general vibe from these examples.

Really looking forward to seeing how all these buildings mesh (or clash) with their surroundings in-game.

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City Hall is, uh. BIG.

City Hall is, uh. BIG. Certain areas may not be directly accessible from the outside - the footer buildings are connected through the underground for, uh. reasons.
Hopefully, you'll see them one day. Let's just say that this is a building, made with supermodern technology, that is the center of the most superhumanly active city in the world.
It's not defenseless.
Oh, and you're seeing some of these buildings from a distance of half a mile away or more.

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I love this update and City

I love this update and City Hall looks fantastic!

Does anyone else start singing the theme to Superfriends when they look at it?

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In the great hall of justice.

In the great hall of justice...

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I never thought I'd care for

I never thought I'd care for updates like this, just buildings. How wrong I was! This is a phenomenal update! And if this is any indication of how much work and effort was put into the rest of Titan City, well I can't wait to get THAT update...hopefully a few months down the road. I can't wait to see what these look like in the City. Well done. Bravo.

EDIT: I also love the background on the last picture of the Gothic Tower, the mountains way back in the background. That's awesome.

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In the great hall of justice...

Good old Union Terminal.

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JWBullfrog wrote:
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In the great hall of justice...

Ha! Beat me to it!

I forgot how to embed a video when I first posted it!

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Tremendous work, Nate!

Tremendous work, Nate!
Love the diversity of design/material.

Looking forward to the transportation hubs!

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Hey, the classic theme is

Hey, the classic theme is great as well. My childhood in a nutshell. cartoons on all 3 networks for 5 hours every Saturday

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We thought you'd like to see

We thought you'd like to see something that wasn't Avatar Builder for a change.
Technically, City Hall is based slightly more on the Hollywood Bowl than Union Terminal - that's where the 'hemisphere with two boxes' look came from.

But... well, certainly, the Hall of Justice was in someone's head at various points.

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This may have been addressed

This may have been addressed before but will there be a platform in Alexandria for costume contests? I feel like the platform under atlas in AP was so detrimental to the community. Every time I logged in and went to atlas there were toons of all levels just hanging out. Like 50 at least at any given time.

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This may have been addressed before but will there be a platform in Alexandria for costume contests? I feel like the platform under atlas in AP was so detrimental to the community. Every time I logged in and went to atlas there were toons of all levels just hanging out. Like 50 at least at any given time.

We do have a few places in the works that might take on that same role. We'll just have to see.

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turett wrote:
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This may have been addressed before but will there be a platform in Alexandria for costume contests? I feel like the platform under atlas in AP was so detrimental to the community. Every time I logged in and went to atlas there were toons of all levels just hanging out. Like 50 at least at any given time.

The Phoenix Statue is in the middle of a fountain, so unless you're doing mermaid cosplay, likely will not have many costume contests there. That said, we have areas where we expect people to congregate for such contests.

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I never thought I'd care for updates like this, just buildings. How wrong I was! This is a phenomenal update! And if this is any indication of how much work and effort was put into the rest of Titan City, well I can't wait to get THAT update...hopefully a few months down the road. I can't wait to see what these look like in the City. Well done. Bravo.

EDIT: I also love the background on the last picture of the Gothic Tower, the mountains way back in the background. That's awesome.

I think that one is my favorite. Nate just hit that one out of the park.

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You know, it's funny how City

You know, it's funny how City Hall is like a bunch of terraced stages you could stand on for a costume contest. Or maybe you'd like to go to Old City Hall and give each contestant their own window, on the building sides.

Or, well, there's other places, and other things you could do. But trust us, we've tried to make the environment a place you can interact with.

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warcabbit wrote:
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City Hall is, uh. BIG. Certain areas may not be directly accessible from the outside - the footer buildings are connected through the underground for, uh. reasons.
Hopefully, you'll see them one day. Let's just say that this is a building, made with supermodern technology, that is the center of the most superhumanly active city in the world.
It's not defenseless.
Oh, and you're seeing some of these buildings from a distance of half a mile away or more.

Does this mean the interiors match the building? In cox we had all sorts of buildings but often times the developers reused mission maps that were obviously not part of that building. I like to be able to look out a window or look through the window on the outside and believe it matches. Know what I mean ?

Either way it looks amazing!

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Noyjitat wrote:
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warcabbit wrote:

City Hall is, uh. BIG. Certain areas may not be directly accessible from the outside - the footer buildings are connected through the underground for, uh. reasons.
Hopefully, you'll see them one day. Let's just say that this is a building, made with supermodern technology, that is the center of the most superhumanly active city in the world.
It's not defenseless.
Oh, and you're seeing some of these buildings from a distance of half a mile away or more.

Does this mean the interiors match the building? In cox we had all sorts of buildings but often times the developers reused mission maps that were obviously not part of that building. I like to be able to look out a window or look through the window on the outside and believe it matches. Know what I mean ?

Either way it looks amazing!

I agree with you. However, I'm assuming many, maybe even most, in-a-building missions will be instanced so this may not be possible.

Though, you may be able to get this in buildings that have bad guys but no instances, like a 'street sweeping' mission.

So I guess the answer might be yes and no? Some buildings might just be open while others you can technically only 'instance' into, and in that case, if there are windows, they probably won't show an accurate picture of the city where that window would be.

But that's just my guess...I look forward to the answer sometime in the future.

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warcabbit wrote:
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We thought you'd like to see something that wasn't Avatar Builder for a change.

I think that's wise at this point. Unless the update has something to do with UI or powers customization, I think we get the gist of how robust the avatar builder will be.

This update was fantastic, and helped me better grasp what the city I'll be flying around in will look like. The city hall is certainly a worthy successor to Atlas Park's central area!

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This might be my favorite

This might be my favorite update so far. Granted, I do have a vested interest in anything to do with moguls. :)

Now I'm even more excited to see how Sonnenfeld Technologies looks when you get that far.

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Dark Cleric wrote:
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Noyjitat wrote:
warcabbit wrote:

City Hall is, uh. BIG. Certain areas may not be directly accessible from the outside - the footer buildings are connected through the underground for, uh. reasons.
Hopefully, you'll see them one day. Let's just say that this is a building, made with supermodern technology, that is the center of the most superhumanly active city in the world.
It's not defenseless.
Oh, and you're seeing some of these buildings from a distance of half a mile away or more.

Does this mean the interiors match the building? In cox we had all sorts of buildings but often times the developers reused mission maps that were obviously not part of that building. I like to be able to look out a window or look through the window on the outside and believe it matches. Know what I mean ?

Either way it looks amazing!

I agree with you. However, I'm assuming many, maybe even most, in-a-building missions will be instanced so this may not be possible.

Though, you may be able to get this in buildings that have bad guys but no instances, like a 'street sweeping' mission.

So I guess the answer might be yes and no? Some buildings might just be open while others you can technically only 'instance' into, and in that case, if there are windows, they probably won't show an accurate picture of the city where that window would be.

But that's just my guess...I look forward to the answer sometime in the future.

Look forward to an update on this very subject

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Wow! IF interior match

Wow! IF interior match exterior ie the building are explorable it will be awesome!

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warcabbit wrote:
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City Hall is, uh. BIG. Certain areas may not be directly accessible from the outside - the footer buildings are connected through the underground for, uh. reasons.
Hopefully, you'll see them one day. Let's just say that this is a building, made with supermodern technology, that is the center of the most superhumanly active city in the world.
It's not defenseless.
Oh, and you're seeing some of these buildings from a distance of half a mile away or more.

I kept trying to get a sense of scale from the steps :p the doors are too far to tell...which is telling i guess


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This is looking nice. Though.

This is looking nice. Though... I will get lost in the buildings... Even with the minimap.
Gonna wait for the next update about exterior and interior, will be equally interesting :)

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angelo.pampalone wrote:
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Wow! IF interior match exterior ie the building are explorable it will be awesome!

I'm hoping that any instance linked to a building will, by default, start with the inside of the exterior as its outer boundary. I especially hope that this will be the case with a certain mogul building that has not yet been seen; I'm eager to start furnishing. ^_^

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Hey everyone - Nathan Purkiss

Hey everyone - Nathan Purkiss, AKA Red Warlock here. Really happy to see so many people enjoying the architecture in this update. We have put a lot of love into this city, especially trying to capture the creativity that many of you have shared with your moguls. Titan City is going to be amazing!

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Red_Warlock wrote:
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Hey everyone - Nathan Purkiss, AKA Red Warlock here. Really happy to see so many people enjoying the architecture in this update. We have put a lot of love into this city, especially trying to capture the creativity that many of you have shared with your moguls. Titan City is going to be amazing!

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angelo.pampalone wrote:
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Wow! IF interior match exterior ie the building are explorable it will be awesome!

Speaking of that, this update is about the landmarks and they exterior but, did you do the interior or just the exterior ? (which are already really really great).

I think my 2 favorit are the black star tower and Harlan Brown Law Center (The City Hall is over my favorite ^^ I really like the way this building was designed because it looks like a string of giant grandstands to host a concert or a speech ^^)

*dreams about super heroes all over the rooftops of this city hall*

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*dreams about super heroes all over the rooftops of this city hall*

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Right now a lot of these

Right now a lot of these buildings look like they were created by a first year Maya student, so hopefully the textures and finishes that aren’t here will vastly increase the quality

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Zerohour wrote:
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Right now a lot of these buildings look like they were created by a first year Maya student, so hopefully the textures and finishes that aren’t here will vastly increase the quality

This, specifically, was confirmed by a dev :)

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TitansCity wrote:
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Wow! IF interior match exterior ie the building are explorable it will be awesome!

Speaking of that, this update is about the landmarks and they exterior but, did you do the interior or just the exterior ? (which are already really really great).

I think my 2 favorit are the black star tower and Harlan Brown Law Center (The City Hall is over my favorite ^^ I really like the way this building was designed because it looks like a string of giant grandstands to host a concert or a speech ^^)

*dreams about super heroes all over the rooftops of this city hall*

The exterior. Building the interior is a different toolchain.

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Wonderful update. I kind of

Wonderful update. I kind of assumed the shading, textures and other lighting details wouldn't be present for now. The basic structures seem solid for my poorly trained eye. I would love to see whole areas of the city just to get a sense of scale and atmosphere each neighborhood will provide.
Thanks for the update and keep up the good work!

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Wonderful update. I kind of assumed the shading, textures and other lighting details wouldn't be present for now. The basic structures seem solid for my poorly trained eye. I would love to see whole areas of the city just to get a sense of scale and atmosphere each neighborhood will provide.
Thanks for the update and keep up the good work!

The city is assembled out of pieces, called tiles. A large reason why "whole areas of the city" haven't been shown around is because we've focused work on tiles with landmarks and moguls, with literal generic blocks standing in for the rest of the city. The building tool allows us to convert the generic blocks into buildings quickly, but we want all of the iconic pieces in place first, so we can adjust the generics size accordingly to make everything work from a game mechanics standpoint.

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Dark Cleric wrote:
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Right now a lot of these buildings look like they were created by a first year Maya student, so hopefully the textures and finishes that aren’t here will vastly increase the quality

This, specifically, was confirmed by a dev :)

Ah. There you have it

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Very different. For example,

Very different. For example, an average building story is about ten feet, from the outside. These buildings are built to that scale, as were CoH's buildings.

Interiors? Minimum ceiling height is 4m, or about 13 feet. It has to be, to accommodate an 8 foot hero using whatever our equivalent of hover is called (possibly just a mode of flight). To be wide enough for 8 man missions, a minimum interior hallways is 6m wide. These measurements all match CoH missions, and are necessary for them to be functional. Because game interiors do not have the same function as their real life counterparts. A real building interior, made like a real building, would be a terrible game level design. The two cannot meet. Realism will not happen. We can help make it less obvious of course, and will. And there are tech tricks we can do to make windows in missions look out on the views they should have had.

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All buildings are TARDIS...es

All buildings are TARDIS...es. Tardi?

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If you analyze a TV show set,

If you analyze a TV show set, for example, you'll notice a lot of things aren't as realistic as they could be. Tables and couches are set up so the actors all face the same way, there's extra clearance so cameras can move around, clear paths so actors don't trip, etc.
If memory serves, the Star Trek TNG Enterprise sets were built to 7/8ths scale so the crew looked more 'heroic'.
We're trying to err on the side of making the game fun, over making the game realistic. There are some losses we've had to settle on - one of them being, for example, oversized doors so that a pack of pets doesn't block them for everyone.

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All buildings are TARDIS...es. Tardi?

Nope, they're right on time...

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All buildings are TARDIS...es. Tardi?

Nope, they're right on time...

I'll be here all night. Tip your servers.

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Awesome job Red Warlock!!!! I just bought a couple of Ko-Fis for the devs .Enjoy!

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Hey everyone - Nathan Purkiss, AKA Red Warlock here. Really happy to see so many people enjoying the architecture in this update. We have put a lot of love into this city, especially trying to capture the creativity that many of you have shared with your moguls. Titan City is going to be amazing!

Thanks for all the hard work, Red; the stuff looks great.

And as a side note, get on Lin or one of the other Forum gurus to get you set up with a MWM badge.... Unless you're undercover as one of us ordinary schmoes.

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Funny you should mention that - I just asked Cabbit if I'm a grown-up enough dev to have my own red title in the forums now :)

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It's done! Sorry, it's a manual process.

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Yay - Thanks Cabbit!

Yay - Thanks Cabbit!

And Oooohh - Master Builder!

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I'll echo what has been said

I'll echo what has been said before - I love this update. Mogul and Landmark alike all look wonderful. I can picture my heroes flying around, jumping over, and crashing into these evocative locales.

Don't be shy about sharing another one like this in the future.

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Wait a sec. is Red Warlock

Wait a sec. is Red Warlock the person who said they went and did a Maya course to help out?

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Wait a sec. is Red Warlock the person who said they went and did a Maya course to help out?

Yes indeed, that is me.

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The whole idea of creating a

The whole idea of creating a mogul got me excited about learning Maya in the first place. I mean, if I wanted to see architecture in the game of a certain kind, why not really dive in deep and start volunteering to design buildings for the game?

Seriously, if other people have an interest in this, take some classes and come volunteer. I had no idea that in a year I could be doing the kinds of things I'm doing...

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Yup I can see that. You are a

Yup I can see that. You are a great example, how you can help and get experience at the same time!
You should get a badge, with the title 'idol of future volunteers' :)
Well, as I am really not good with 3D stuff... Even if I tried to do daily training... I wouldn't get better. I still struggle doing easy things like a chair or tables. Lol

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He has a badge. :)

He has a badge. :)

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He should get a unique one

He should get a unique one with flowers and more, hailing flower pedals and that as an animated Gif.
Or at least a cookie :)

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I'd love to do that. I don't

I'd love to do that. I don't remember the steps I went through to put the current dev badge in place. I just remember there is a bug that made things not work like they should have. :(

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A minor coincidence:

A minor coincidence:

Titan City's city hall:

Metropolis (DCUO) city hall:

At least ours hasn't been trashed by the Yellow Lantern Corps. :)

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I like the more symmetrical

I like the more symmetrical CoT one....although I'm obviously biased :p


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avelworldcreator wrote:
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I'd love to do that. I don't remember the steps I went through to put the current dev badge in place. I just remember there is a bug that made things not work like they should have. :(

Maybe on the new website :P

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I most certainly hope so!

I most certainly hope so!

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He has a badge. :)

OMG - so exciting to read that!

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FYI: You can see the City

FYI: You can see the City Hall in-game (at least, an older version of it) in this video:
https://youtu.be/n_dLm9JcogQ?t=314

Jump to 5:15 for the City Hall. Gives an idea of the scale (HUGE)

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That's an older version of

Some changes you can notice from that older version of City Hall - if you notice in the pics of the newer version the side 'arms' of the building have been broadened, doorway has been raised with a much broader set of stairs to create an area for players to gather at the steps... (also some additions to the back of the building that you can't see in the video). Fun to see a little bit of what it might look like in game...

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Red_Warlock wrote:
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The whole idea of creating a mogul got me excited about learning Maya in the first place. I mean, if I wanted to see architecture in the game of a certain kind, why not really dive in deep and start volunteering to design buildings for the game?

Seriously, if other people have an interest in this, take some classes and come volunteer. I had no idea that in a year I could be doing the kinds of things I'm doing...

This makes me wish COT would take even longer so i can go out and learn something and be part of the team lol.

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This makes me wish COT would take even longer

No =)

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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
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The whole idea of creating a mogul got me excited about learning Maya in the first place. I mean, if I wanted to see architecture in the game of a certain kind, why not really dive in deep and start volunteering to design buildings for the game?

Seriously, if other people have an interest in this, take some classes and come volunteer. I had no idea that in a year I could be doing the kinds of things I'm doing...

This makes me wish COT would take even longer so i can go out and learn something and be part of the team lol.

I am certain there will be continuing work happening by volunteers regardless of when the launch happens. If you are interested in any skill the game might need (but especially 3D modeling) and have the time to learn, go for it! You could totally be a part of making the game happen!

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3D modelers will still be

3D modelers will still be needed post-launch. For one thing, the city won't be "finished" by game launch ...


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3D modelers will still be needed post-launch. For one thing, the city won't be "finished" by game launch ...

Odd, when you say the City won't finished, I read that as there are immediate plans for expansion. ^_^

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Well there are a lot more

Well there are a lot more planned zones than the launch set, including many parts of the city proper.

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Also the sister city in

Also the sister city in California that has the kaiju and mecha problem.

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Also the sister city in California that has the kaiju and mecha problem.

::squinty eyes:: Can't tell if kidding.

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Also the sister city in California that has the kaiju and mecha problem.

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Also the sister city in California that has the kaiju and mecha problem.

Yay big monster!

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3D modelers will still be needed post-launch. For one thing, the city won't be "finished" by game launch ...

Odd, when you say the City won't finished, I read that as there are immediate plans for expansion. ^_^

We are launching with 7 out of 40 planned zones, so, yes there are such plans.

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This all looks so amazing. I

This all looks so amazing. I tried to be a volunteer, for the website part of things, but real life... Well, it killed that dream.

Now I get to wait patiently (mostly) while work keeps making me lose hair, and time with the family, for the Geocacher and Immortalized perks to become a thing.

You guys keep up the good work. You have all my support I can send.

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amazing update can't wait to

amazing update can't wait to see all the buildings in-game keep up the good work!

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If you analyze a TV show set, for example, you'll notice a lot of things aren't as realistic as they could be. Tables and couches are set up so the actors all face the same way, there's extra clearance so cameras can move around, clear paths so actors don't trip, etc.
If memory serves, the Star Trek TNG Enterprise sets were built to 7/8ths scale so the crew looked more 'heroic'.
We're trying to err on the side of making the game fun, over making the game realistic. There are some losses we've had to settle on - one of them being, for example, oversized doors so that a pack of pets doesn't block them for everyone.

There was some fiddling with the set size, but somethings were made strictly for practicality. The width of the Enterprise interior hallways were set by the width of a standard wheeled camera dolly, for instance.

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Doctor Tyche wrote:
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3D modelers will still be needed post-launch. For one thing, the city won't be "finished" by game launch ...

Odd, when you say the City won't finished, I read that as there are immediate plans for expansion. ^_^

We are launching with 7 out of 40 planned zones, so, yes there are such plans.

Is it normal to have so many zones planned looking forward? Seems like a lot :)


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3D modelers will still be needed post-launch. For one thing, the city won't be "finished" by game launch ...

Odd, when you say the City won't finished, I read that as there are immediate plans for expansion. ^_^

We are launching with 7 out of 40 planned zones, so, yes there are such plans.

Is it normal to have so many zones planned looking forward? Seems like a lot :)

No idea. In our case we came up with everything we wanted, then figured out what we could deliver on time.

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No idea. In our case we came up with everything we wanted, then figured out what we could deliver on time.

So… you have an idea of the "time" and then you have an idea of the launch date, is that right ? xD

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No idea. In our case we came up with everything we wanted, then figured out what we could deliver on time.

So… you have an idea of the "time" and then you have an idea of the launch date, is that right ? xD

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The painful part of waiting right now is the poor state of mmos right now. Wow has become world of tedium and SWTOR has become bugfest/grindfest 2019.

I'd submit that the reason for that state of affairs is that those games aren't trying to be GAMES ... instead they're trying to be "Honeypots" for siphoning money away from the Players. It's the reason why so many online "games" stop being pastimes or diversions (or simply about having fun) and instead descend into becoming sweatshops/jobs in which THE GRIND is the purpose. They stop being endeavors of relaxation and pleasure, and instead become competitive contests of endurance (in the "game of chicken" sense). Take this to the extreme and you get ... the Korean market, and "professional" gamers.

And that's what the big publishers/studios believe they have to cater to in order to have a playerbase AT ALL.

No wonder they're f(l)ailing badly ...


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Redlynne I believe you hit

Redlynne I believe you hit the nail on the head.

The needs of the many , far outweigh the needs of the few . Or the one.

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Redlynne I believe you hit the nail on the head.

In my opinion, it is what happens when the finance team and ceo become involved with the game designers in the game planning meetings.

It turns everything into marketing a product to buyers instead of making a game for players.

Game companies focused in business instead of making a good game. When game devs get to focus on game design and make a good game, people will buy it.

Now it seems it is more about designing a product intended to capture whales and siphon them for every lining they can get.


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Yay capitalism :p

Yay capitalism :p


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Yay capitalism :p

Capitalism isn’t perfect, but when a superior product succeeds and people ignore the shiny but boring lootbox slogs, capitalism will kill those inferior games.

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Atama wrote:
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Yay capitalism :p

Capitalism isn’t perfect, but when a superior product succeeds and people ignore the shiny but boring lootbox slogs, capitalism will kill those inferior games.

Only if the superior product is produced in enough volume (in this case, server capacity and genre coverage) to supply the entertainment needs of the customers of the inferior games.

Note that it doesn't have to happen immediately, as long as the superior product continues to bring in enough funds to drive expansion. ^_^

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