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I'd say go the CO route of the database being hack proof and politicians being completely honest, but that never seemed believable, especially in a world of supers :p
Okay... This took a bit of searching, especially being a law clerk in Ontario, Canada instead of the US (I'd welcome a clarification by any US trained law clerks on the subject, if there is an error, btw,) but eventually I found what I was looking for. The REAL ID act (enacted in 2005,) Title II, H.R. 1268, Section 202, subsections (a), (b), and (c)(1) state:
SEC. 202. MINIMUM DOCUMENT REQUIREMENTS AND ISSUANCE STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL RECOGNITION.
(a) Minimum Standards for Federal Use-
(1) IN GENERAL- Beginning 3 years after the date of the enactment of this division, a Federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a driver's license or identification ca rd issued by a State to any person unless the State is meeting the requirements of this section.
(2) STATE CERTIFICATIONS- The Secretary shall determine whether a State is meeting the requirements of this section based on certifications made by the State to the Secretary. Such certifications shall be made at such times and in such manner as the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation, may prescribe by regulation.
(b) Minimum Document Requirements- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall include, at a minimum, the following information and features on each driver's license and identification card issued to a person by the State:
(1) The person's full legal name.
(2) The person's date of birth.
(3) The person's gender.
(4) The person's driver's license or identification card number.
(5) A digital photograph of the person.
(6) The person's address of principle residence.
(7) The person's signature.
(8) Physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.
(9) A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements.
(c) Minimum Issuance Standards-
(1) IN GENERAL- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall require, at a minimum, presentation and verification of the following information before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person:
(A) A photo identity document, except that a non-photo identity document is acceptable if it includes both the person's full legal name and date of birth.
(B) Documentation showing the person's date of birth.
(C) Proof of the person's social security account number or verification that the person is not eligible for a social security account number.
(D) Documentation showing the person's name and address of principal residence.
(apologies for the poor formatting, if it didn't come out the way I wanted...)
In any event, the law seems clear. Based on what I see here, it appears that Homeland Security has been given authority over the only forms of identification recognized on a federal level in the United States. This would include the court system, which is why this is relevant. Based on this information, in order for a Supers Authority to testify on behalf of a masked superhero in court that the individual in question was indeed who they represented themselves to be, that Superhero would have been required to obtain a legal document identifying themselves to the registration authority, who would have been the ONLY agency authorized to give them police powers and limited immunity from prosecution.
In order to guarantee that the masked vigilante was indeed who they say they are, and not some John Q. Random Doe in a supersuit, the information in the REAL ID Act would seem to substantiate the position that in order to obtain said documentation, the applicant (superhero) would be required to provide proof of their existence as both a "Natural Person," which in law is the definition given to a living human being, and a citizen of the country they are testifying in. It's questionable if a visiting extranational would be permitted police powers as a super in the US. If so, however, is is reasonable to assume they would be required to provide the same evidence, and would likely have to register with the same governing authority, providing all personally identifying information as well.
Sure, this is a lot to drop on a forum, but someone decided to open this can of worms, so I'm trying to help identify flaws in the law they posted. Sure it's a comic book law for a comic book universe, but while some of it could be handwaved away, the fact that supers can testify without identifying themselves in court only if someone else can prove they are who they say they are brings up all the rest of this.
If the super just wants to run around stopping crime in a supers-friendly universe, that's probably fine, to a point. But they can't arrest anyone. And they probably can't give testimony in court, so there's no guarantee the criminal will stay in jail. But if they want to be able to testify, there *has* to be some way of verifying their actual legal identity, and that's where the scare factor comes in. Because in order to qualify as a witness testimony, the super needs to be able to prove their legal identity at the federal level. And as mentioned at the beginning of the section I quoted, the law regarding what documents (or proofs) exist to recognize a person's legal identity are narrowly defined. The super in question would have to leave their identity in a database somewhere, where it could be used... or *misused* by whoever gets their hands on it. And they would be legally obligated to take the risk, both on their behalf, and their families and friends.
Some work around would be logical. For example a police officer or FBI agent that's undercover testifying their Identity is often hidden if needed. Another example is cases involving someone in the witness protection program. There also a question of does the Court need to know vs the public need to know.
On the other hand face it we are in the 21st century and we all have our identities, records, behavior recorded on some database somewhere. Be it Facebook, criminal records, birth records... the list goes on and on so what one more database in the modern world, super modern world.
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I'm not sure you actually need that level of proof of identity to testify in court, however. Surely if you get supoenaed to testify as a witness to a crime, you can't say "I don't have a passport or drivers license, so the government can't verify my identity, so I don't have to come"? I would guess that if the law was written that a superhero only has to prove they are their on file alias in order to testify, that probably is way easier to handle than someone showing up to testify who never got a drivers license. The super's powers, after all, are on file, and should be readily demonstrable in most cases.
This would be a great place to start from if we were making a game world where supers (and especially of the masked-crime-fighter variety) were a new phenomena. But it's [url=https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/missingworldsmedia/the-phoenix-project-city-of-titans/posts/648915]already been established[/url] that in the CoTverse, they'd been around for decades; some of them back to before governments started issuing IDs. Even if there was an event in the CoTverse like that of 2001 September 11 in our own, it is not unreasonable that those decades of precedence would affect the laws made afterward.
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I've been getting the update emails because I donated to this project during the Kickstarter. I was a big City of Heroes player, and so I thought you guys were doing a great thing that was worth supporting. I am sort of wondering if there's any way I could go about only receiving stories about the actual progress of the game though.
I get a lot of these updates that are nice little stories, like the ones people used to put in the 'info' box of their characters, but without a character limit. I was personally never that big into that aspect of City of Heroes.
What I'm trying to get at, without being rude- because I mean it as constructive criticism:
if there's any way that I could only get email updates about actual development progress, the state of the game, well organized bullet points of what has been done, what needs to be done and how far along the actual game making process is, that would be AWESOME.
If you guys just want to tell me what the powersets are, the damage multipliers and how both the active and behind the scenes combat work, the evolution of your character building system, stats/gear/City of Heroes "invisible gear" concepts... That stuff would be cool to get in updates.
What would be even cooler is video updates of new powersets in action, new areas and zones you're designing, storyline cinematic's with in game graphics, etc.
Basically, I feel like the RP paragraphs about lore with some hints of what the game might be like is getting on the stale side. I would love to keep getting information about the project and what's actually happening since I was proud to back it, but the way the updates are delivered, and the high frequency of updates with little if anything to actually say about the progress of the game, I'm almost tempted to unsubscribe to them.
Some people like one thing, some people don't. Right now, we're scheduled to have each department do one update a month, and this was our Lore update for the month. As you can see from the discussion, a lot of people really were interested, and... some weren't.
We could cut down the number of updates, from weekly to monthly.
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As I see it, there would only be the occasional issues with identification and court testimony.
1) Many heroes with powers that enabled them to project energy could use that as their signature. I'm assuming that there would be devices that could accurately tell one energy wavelength from another during the registration process.
2) For the vast majority of supervillains and their agents there won't even have to BE a trial after the first time. Bad guy gets busted, goes to court, is sentenced to ten-twenty for his crimes (most of which are violent in the game world). He gets out a year or so later and does something else. He gets caught again. Violation of parole...back to the slammer. Do not pass GO...do not collect $200.
3) Many of the 'monsters' encountered will be the same way. Most of them won't be legal citizens and will therefore have no rights. Lock them up or deport them MiB style.
4) We are WAY over-thinking this. This is one of the MANY reasons that supers in the real world would not be like the heyday in the '80 comics when everyone loved their heroes. If we are to have a game that resembles our beloved comics and not some twisted Marvel Civil War we're going to have to suspend some disbelief here.
I remember when Star Wars was cool...a long, long time ago...
Since it appears to bear repeating, the setting is a city in which even registered heroes[color=red]*[/color] (to say nothing of the super-powered population as a whole) very likely make up a large enough part of the population that they would show up on a census. This is not a case of a Superman, a Batman, a Spiderman, or even the Fantastic Four being the (for the most part) sole protectors of the city.
If memory serves, that people with astonishing powers and abilities exist has not been news since the mid-18th century. As Fordain has pointed out, even the Supreme Court made rulings on matters concerning "superpowered beings" [i]at least[/i] more than four decades ago.
Last but not least, these are excerpts from several pages from a publication made by the Department of Public Safety, not case files nor even a legal brief. Seriously, this is not a case of the devs pretending to be Harvey Specter.
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[color=red]*[/color] This is a number that could increase considerably when one includes NPC heroes, since we know that those exist.
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Love the sprit filled conversations on this topic. Now will I have to register the address of my Lair?
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Hmmm, juts noticed Darth Fez and I have the same stance..... coincidence? alias?
Mr. Dragon has returned...........
Wellllll.... what if I don't want to be registered?
I don't want anyone to know my character's SI,
Secret ID not required for registering.
And if you don't register, your just a bit less law-abiding ^_^
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Secret ID's are another matter completely. We are talking about registering powers here: not true identities.
Also, you are not forcibly compelled to register. If you don't though, then that puts you in another place on the alignment scale, away from Law. Perhaps you prefer to be a vigilante: like Batman whom assists law enforcement in his own way while be wanted by the same.
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I dunno, remember Longbow and those flamethrowers. Most Longbow didn't even have powers and they felt pretty damn free to "arrest" anyone they felt like. >:-)
I feel about this much as I did way back in the day when Ultimate Spider-Man was new. Back in the day this was a very decent book! There was 15-year-old Peter Parker with his new powers, and Nick Fury shows up and is all like, "You are working for me and SHIELD the instant you are old enough, and if you do not like it tough. Plus, I'll kill you if you don't. I OWN you. You belong to me! Get used to it!" [Or words to that effect.]
Yeaaaah........................... NOPE. No, you [I]don't.[/I] A faster way to drive me underground or turn me into an outright villain than telling me, REGISTER OR ELSE!!! can hardly be imagined. My people gave that idea total side-eye in CoX, and they'll be doing the same thing in CoT.
NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!!!!!
Please?
Spurn all ye kindle.
Cinnder, our goal is to continue putting out updates on a weekly basis (maybe on a few occasions more than one!) so you'll always have something to look forward to on Wednesdays.
Whew! So I have KS update on Wed and Big Bang Theory on Thursday to help me get through the week. :-)
Thanks!
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Sorry for the late arrival- great post-
Many times the struggle for acceptance/recognition is a critical part of the story of a hero character that's alien, robot, some strange hybrid species, or exceptional example of some species (mutant turtles?) but other times people don't want to deal with that aspect. The framework provided gives structure, but enough wiggle room to allow people to craft the stories they want, rather than be confined by a lore that would force a particular narrative.
Good job.
[b]However, while sapient species, robots, and AI's are covered, I'm wondering about the legal status of transformations:[/b]
[b]- Cadmium Man[/b] -a battle armored superhero so desperate to avoid trademark infringement that he made his armor from a toxic metal- is facing a slow death from poisoning. He uses an experimental system to map his consciousness onto his powerful home megacomputer.
-Is his legal status automatically transferred?
-Is he considered a continuation of consciousness, or does he establish legal sapience of his AI, name it in his will, and have it inherit his vast fortune?
-If that home mainframe already had a legally-recognized AI named J.E.E.V.E.S, and it was overwritten by the Cad-man AI, was it murder?
-If so, would the AI-based Cad-man be legally culpable, or just the "meat" Cad-Man.
-If his cousin and otherwise-sole-heir deletes the AI before the sapience is legally recognized , would that be a crime?
- If he instead hacked the AI to gain control of it (and thus, the family estate) but a loyal butler-bodyguard steals an unaltered backup, installs in on duplicate hardware at Cad-Man's summer estate on his private isle, which of them would be recognized at the legal Cad-Man?
[b]- Sorcerer Strange[/b] the former neurosurgeon turned master mystic who is so TOTALLY different from that OTHER strange sorcerer of that other world, wakes one morning to find that sometime overnight his entire physical self was altered. He now appears for all intents and purposes to be an animated grey clay mass sculpted into a bipedial humaniod form. He lacks his original fingerprints, voiceprints, or retinal patterns, and doesn't even test as a biological human (or any sentient species on record). Worse, nobody witnessed his transformation, so the only entity that can testify that this transformation even happened is the person that could just as reasonably be accused of killing Sorcerer Strange, hiding the body, and trying to assume his identity.
- As there's no record of this happening to anyone ever before, would he find himself not only struggling to prove he's a sapient lump of clay, but re-establishing that his really IS the great Sorcerer Strange and therefore entitled to his properties and legal standing?
- CAN he re-establish his identity or must he be satisfied with establishing some new one, or forever be just some generic hero?
[b]- Congressman Pinto Moder[/b] was in the middle of a televised debate just a month before the election when the villainness Metamorphicana appeared and transformed the good congressman into a teacup Pot Bellied Pig, all the while proclaiming her undying love for his adversary. There is no question whether Pinto the Pig was once human- but now he cannot speak and indeed doesn't seem interested in communicating much more than his desire for truffles and an occasional belly rub. Some argue that the congressman always demonstrated an affection for having his midsection rubbed so this may suggest that some remanat of his consciousness remains intact within that walking bacon, but most believe that he is just a pig. Nevertheless, the ballots couldn't be reprinted that close to the election, and after Metamorphicana's endorsement destroyed his opponent's standing in the polls, Pinto won re-election.
- Is Pinto the Pig still entitled to his congressinal seat under the law? Surely, there have been worse representatives in our history....
Wow dude! If you don't write for a living you should! That second one in particular is great!
I remember when Star Wars was cool...a long, long time ago...
Thanks for the smile-worthy scenarios, chase. I like the opportunity to think about legal status of clones and human-like AI units, as those may exist in the real world within my lifetime, and humanity seems to be waiting to make the laws and moral choices until after the event.
I wonder if the registration system might offer some protection from the risk of being (un)willingly transformed and even protect the legal status of shapeshifters, in the form of a knowledge key and a physically-unique key. After all, the more advanced identity-verification systems of today employ several layers of verification. Appearance and/or genetics is one, possession of a difficult to reproduce item is another, and a password or secret is the most common of all.
Is this an optional service (like identity theft protection)? Would a conspiracy hypothesist probably suspect that it's a trap to gather gene samples and replace certain people with controllable duplicates? Would they be *click-whirr* correct?
Hmmm...
Thanks. That was all rather spur-of-the-moment. I have a character that's a victim of a transformation like option 2- her biometrics aren't anywhere near what she used to be, and she sometimes doubts whether her consciousness wasn't affected in the process as well. Since I'm still writing her story, I didn't want to use her specifics.
I had an old character that would possess scupltures that he constructed, (inspired by a character in an old TSR "Top Secret/SI" expansion called "Freelancers" from a few decades back). I tweaked it into a transformation story & started struggling for an original name-- and it was only then did the little tie-in to CoH "being genericed" came to me.
Congressman Pinto Moder I think has a real world echo. A Congressman ran for election in Missouri, Mel Carnahan won. Of course he died in a plane crash several weeks before election day. Jean Carnahan his wife became Governor afterwards. So I can see a similar condition happen in the case of morphed spouse.
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Agreed. I always liked how GURPS Transhuman space (set in the year 2100) explored the subject- some nations recognize AI as property, some as Citizens. Some see bioroids as abominations, some as victims to be liberated, some as indentured servants.
Are passwords / phrases sufficient in a world with telepaths? What about the "unwanted" brainpeeling (get kidnapped & have your consciousness transferred & edited)? The challenge we have in such worlds is that EVERY element that defines us could be copied or removed (genes, biometrics, psyche all copied or altered). Perhaps what would matter most is a full chain-of-custody-of-consciousness. Is there a legally-recognized statement of consent from the original entity, a legally-recognized record of the steps taken to transfer the consciousness, and a verification by as reliable a means possible that the transfer was a success?
Such a requirement would allow some people to play the "legally-transferred consciousness" while let others play characters that are in a state of legal limbo if they want.
One would also wonder about marriage. "My Husband is dead!" "No I'm not I'm right here in this new Robot body." Who is right in that case. Death do us part of marriage has to be brought into question if someone can have his/her consciousness transferred into a new body be it Clone, Mind transfer, Uploaded into a machine or magical artifact. For all physical biological sense the body is DEAD heart stopped beating and the brain now has 0 measurable activity.
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Passwords would definitely be a rather weak layer, unless some anti-telepathic measures were developed...say, if the recall of the password could only be reliably triggered by some magic or tech under the control of whatever "password issuing/checking department" might exist as part of the registration agency.
Of course even that has the potential to be broken; security tends to rely on making it too difficult to bother rather than completely impossible.
With all 3 layers in place, if I attempt to produce a controllable copy of target X that would fool the registry, I'd need:
1.) an expert telepath (or magic/tech equivalent) to obtain the password,
2.) a genetic expert (or magic equivalent) to produce the copy of the physical body that can pass whatever scanning system is used by the registry, and
3.) a means to either steal or duplicate the tough-to-duplicate registry object that target X was carrying/storing, which takes a nontrivial amount of brute force or trickery, depending on the target's abilities or the complexity of the procedures used to store or create the object.
Full implemented and properly used, layering raises the cost, time, and risk that my copying attempt would be detected, hopefully putting it out of reach of all but the most well-funded and connected villains in Titan City. Oh the other hand, the technical difficulty of staying ahead of the consciousness hackers and cloners, user error, and (justified?) fear of the registry could leave many Titans with fewer or more easily compromised layers - as seen in pretty much every publicly-used security system of today.
The documented chain of custody of consciousness looks like a reasonable approach to handle willing transfers of consciousness that are likely to get contested - wherever a significant amount of money or power can be legally transferred. Even partial or temporary transfers might be possible under this framework, similar to power of attorney and contractual agreements. Could I "spin off" part of my rights and consciousness to a robot version who would then manage my Earthly affairs while I'm spending a year fighting in Praetoria? Assuming a fairly-secure method can be developed to verify that the "original" entity is the original, and I'm not just tied up in my nemesis' basement, of course! Heh.
I do like the flexible roleplaying options that a realistic (and therefore imperfect) framework can provide.
The obvious answer is answered by these questions "Did I still love him? Insurance coverage? Will? Did we just have a fight before this all happened? Did I find someone new already?"
Lots of reasons to possibly say he's dead :p
if we use The Pro-Registration from marvel
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Roark: The North Wind Barbarian
HR: Powers?
Roark: Above average strength, speed, adrenaline manipulation and smoke powers
HR: *Laughing*
Roark: What?
HR: Smoke powers! *Snorts and laughs*
Roark: HE-...Actually it is kinda funny. *is laughing a bit as well*
HR: Quite right..*takes a deep breath* Approved.
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I didn't notice the legal codes dealing with the use of lethal force by superheroes. One thing I really liked about CoX was that it was presumed that we were [i]subduing[/i] villians and criminals, rather than killing them. There was even something somewhere about 'tagging' them once they were down, so they could be teleported to a police containment medical facility, if I'm remembering correctly.
Of course, I realize many villains and a number of heroes used very lethal powers or weapons, and seemed to have no qualms about killing.
I'm just curious as to how Titan City laws would approach this issue.
The part about the arrest teleporter was eventually written out of the lore. This was a good thing, I liked that it was left vague what you were doing to defeat an enemy . Are you arresting or killing your opponents? It's up to you to decide.
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There are some very good reasons for not specifying it at all, or even addressing it, when it comes to ratings and similar concerns. "They were defeated" or "they fell down" (for anyone who played Toon), well, people can interpret that as whatever they want, when there aren't gibs, gore, and specific "kill X" statements built in.
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Now that's a genius use of quote if I've ever seen one.
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Seems very progressive. My question is what will the relationship be between law enforcement and superheroes? I know that some officers will be relieved in some instances, like facing actual supervillians, though for others, the rule that a superhero could fill in for your local beat cop could step on someone's pride of the badge, like dealing with casual thugs that cops can deal with by themselves.
I had assumed that the TCPD would be treated as a game faction. The plan (as I understand it) is to have heroes favorability to in-game factions to be flexible. If you want to be a friend to the force then your actions will have to reflect that.
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I cannot locate the original post for this one?
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This originally posted on KS as update # 78.... This should be the link to it : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/missingworldsmedia/the-phoenix-project-city-of-titans/posts/812507
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okay so legal question if I play a peaceful subduer who uses charisma and diplomacy to talk down criminals, I suppose that means I don't need to register with anyone and still be considered a citizen of the city? Does that mean I could then run for government office such as city council as a true neutral player? :)
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The powers we hope to implement that allow for characters to disguise, sneak, or "talk" their way through encounters is not guaranteed to: 1. Make into the game 2. Make it by launch 3. May not effectively work on every spawn encountered 4. Have other limitations that require tactical use to be most effective.
I want to be honest, we are not creating a diplomacy system where skills and stats are used to negotiate, bribe, or charm with wit or looks for success. Sure you can play it off that way, but the system itself that allow for increased levels of stealth, disguise, or persuade, are part of our noncombat powers. Noncombat powers like disguise or persuasion work with temporary, artificial increases to faction rating, that does not mean that every NPC is susesptable to these increases. The rank of a spawn, level difference, and other factors (like counter powers to a disguise or persuasion), or faction level set above what can be gained via artificial means, may prevent such powers from succeeding all the time. Certain NPCs may see through the disguise, or be beyond reasoning with and respond to silly attempts of diplomacy with violence.
Between the alignment system and the factions systems, true neutrality, if possible, might be difficult to attain and manage at all times, but I'm betting that there will be factions that will end up either hating or disliking you one way or another.
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Marion George Harmon has an interesting post on his patreon page about superheroes and the law in regards to his Wearing the Cape series. There've only been supers there for a decade and a half, so the laws are still evolving. ^_^
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