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Mac User List

I know its way way way down the list, but maybe we can get a list of forum members with Macs just incase the number isn't as large as i would personally hope :P ; since there tends to be issues on the mac softwares that arent always present on the Windows side of the game. If yall think this is not needed, delete it ^_^

1. Luscious - iMac & MacBookPro

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2. Kaxiya- IMac

2. Kaxiya- IMac

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3. ShadowSpawn - iMac 10.8.4

3. ShadowSpawn - iMac 10.8.4

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3. ShadowSpawn - iMac 10.8.4

im still on 10.7 as i figure ill just wait for OX Mavericks to come out.. hahah

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10.6.8 here, and I too am

10.6.8 here, and I too am waiting on Mavericks. Of course, I probably will get that when I finally upgrade my poor 2003 iMac. ;)

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I have an iMac as well 10.8.?

I have an iMac as well 10.8.?..(ill have to look its my lady's)
Also PC and a Linux box if necessary :-)

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I have a Hackintosh running

I have a Hackintosh running OS X Mountain Lion. My preference would be to play with a Mac client. But I can boot into Windows if I really have to.

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I have a 2007 iMac.

I have a 2007 iMac.

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If it makes you guys feel

If it makes you guys feel better I am all Mac. I am mixing and recording on my macbook pro (10.7).

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Is there any postulated

Is there any postulated minimum spec for a mac to run the client?

Get yourself right; the world has enough problems.

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Count my wife and I on this

Count my wife and I on this list. We are kind of tired of only being able to play WoW together.

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Older Mac here, 10.6.3.

Older Mac here, 10.6.3.

Edit: updated to 10.6.8

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Black Arachnia wrote:
Black Arachnia wrote:

Count my wife and I on this list. We are kind of tired of only being able to play WoW together.

It is possible to play Star Trek Online and Champions Online with a wrapper (it is for STO, but works for CO as well)

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Black Arachnia wrote:
Count my wife and I on this list. We are kind of tired of only being able to play WoW together.

It is possible to play Star Trek Online and Champions Online with a wrapper (it is for STO, but works for CO as well)

It works, but it doesn't work particularly [i]well[/i]. My computer wasn't top of the line even when new, but it's reasonably recent, reasonably fast, and has a reasonable amount of memory (10.6.3, 2 GB RAM, 2.13 Dual-core processor)... and, while CoH ran at full speed with the settings turned down a bit, CO (even with the settings turned down all the way) often runs [i]un[/i]reasonably slow, with framerates measured in seconds-per-frame rather than frames-per-second.

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Thunder Glove wrote:
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blackjak wrote:
Black Arachnia wrote:
Count my wife and I on this list. We are kind of tired of only being able to play WoW together.

It is possible to play Star Trek Online and Champions Online with a wrapper (it is for STO, but works for CO as well)

It works, but it doesn't work particularly well. My computer wasn't top of the line even when new, but it's reasonably recent, reasonably fast, and has a reasonable amount of memory (10.6.3, 2 GB RAM, 2.13 Dual-core processor)... and, while CoH ran at full speed with the settings turned down a bit, CO (even with the settings turned down all the way) often runs unreasonably slow, with framerates measured in seconds-per-frame rather than frames-per-second.

Actually, I have found CO all but unplayable since a few months ago. Something in an update seriously doesn't jive with the wrapper. STO is much better, but the textures do tend to occasionally de-rez on you. It actually impressed me by how much better it acted than CO in a wrapper.
I also agree that CoX's cider port was great. I hardly ever had troubles unless there was a lot of traffic (and that was probably my ISP and wifi for most of that even!). I certainly hope that our Mac port will be seamless as Unreal is Mac friendly to some extent already (mostly iOS, but it shows definite interest in seamless porting.)

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IMac 10.8 ... I bought it to

IMac 10.8 ... I bought it to play COH last year just few month it went down!!! :(

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I run on Mac.

I run on Mac.

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I'll likely still be on a Mac

I'll likely still be on a Mac when this comes out, but definitely not my current machine (which I really should replace soon).

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Another Mac user here:

Another Mac user here:

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PCSAR (Infinity server)

Looking forward to this game going live -- and fingers crossed, playable on a Mac :)

EDIT: Husband plays on Mac too and will be playing too (91 Band-Aid, PCSAR, Infinity)

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21½” late-2012 iMac.

21½” late-2012 iMac.

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If this comes to fruition I'm

If this comes to fruition I'm going to have to buy a computer to play on... And it'd be a Mac so *shrug*

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Both Mac and Windows here

Both Mac and Windows here

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Mac user here. Running 10.7.5

Mac user here. Running 10.7.5 on a somewhat elderly Macbook Pro. Odds seem good that I'll be upgrading sometime in the next two years through. :-)

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Lifelong Mac user. Currently

Lifelong Mac user. Currently running mountain lion. Also bootcamped either way I am playing lol

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Right now I have a 15" Retina

Right now I have a 15" Retina MacBook Pro (2012) updated to 10.9. I have Parallels, but I'd prefer to play with a native Mac client.

Edit: The other Macs in my possession are changing frequently, as I restore/upgrade/sell.

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I have a 27" iMac (mid 2010)

I have a 27" iMac (mid 2010) running OS X version 10.8.5.

I'm hoping we'll get a native version of City of Titans as the various Windows2Mac emulators always seem to be a bit on the buggy side.

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I have both windows and Mac.

I have both windows and Mac. My Mac is mountain lion and my pc is fairly new and will run skyrim with over 30 mods so it does just fine.

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Let's see.. MacBook Pro and a

Let's see.. MacBook Pro and a MacPro. (Looking to upgrade to the new MacPro soon)

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2009 iMac and 2013 iMac with

2009 and 2013 27" iMacs with latest OS

(Also going to throw in that I need [not want] some controller supported UI to as opposed to key+mouse.. bonus points if I can use controller keypad)

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Coming to you live from a

Coming to you live from a 2009 MacBook Pro, running the latest OS. Happy to help in whatever way I can (especially now that we'll have a version at launch!).

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Just wanted to pop back in

Just wanted to pop back in and say Congratz! We Mac-olytes are in at the start thanks to all of you Titans out there.

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Thank goodness...,

Thank goodness...,

- ...just loaded Ubuntu on my net book (...really getting tired of Window...). Will be interested to see how well CoT runs on a different OS. :)

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Linux is not completely off

Linux is not completely off the table. There has been discussion, but it will not be supported for at least the first few issues I imagine. I'm sure a wine port may be looked at. I am not on the Tech team however, so take that with a large rock of salt.

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Meh...no worries,

Meh...no worries,

- ...still, if you're looking to reach a wider audience...hit the folks who have access to freeware. The secret to WoW's success was mass target advertisement (...I mean, c'mon - they got Mr. T and Ozzy to do commercials for crying out loud...). CoX's popularity, however, was the ability to play on even low end computers and (...of course,..) eventually becoming free-to-play...along with everything else that set the bar that all other Superhero MMO's have failed to attain (...as such is shown clearly through the Kickstarter alone - nearly a half-million in dontated funds and growing...). CoX also worked on Mac's, so it's nice to see that CoT will be striving to do the same...if it won't work on Ubuntu, no problem, I'll still keep using Windows (...for now...). ^_^

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2007 MacBook Pro OSX 10.6.8, 2011 Macbook Pro OSX 10.7.5

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Late 2011 iMac. 10.8.5. Can't

Late 2011 iMac. 10.8.5. Can't wait for Mavericks.

My apologies if this is a double post. First post on the forums.

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I think its a great idea,

I think its a great idea, personally I'm thrilled the Mac version is going out at launch (hit goal of 450,000).
I have a mac and would love to help out in any way possible.
I have a Macbook Pro 17"

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Sorry I forgot all my crucial

Sorry I forgot all my crucial info:

Macbook Pro 17"
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Redlynne - iMac running OS X

Redlynne - iMac running OS X 10.9

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Late 2009 MacBook Pro running 10.9. I also do tech support for Apple.

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1. Xenos - iMac & MBP (both

1. Xenos - iMac & MBP (both 10.8.5, but surely 10.9 or 10.10 by the time I get to run CoT)

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Lin Chiao Feng: MBA (Haswell)

Lin Chiao Feng: MBA (Haswell) & Early 2008 Mac Pro w/ recent ATI board. 10.8.x; MBA will be upgraded to 10.9 eventually, not sure if MP will.

Also have a couple Gentoo Linux boxes to test on.

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Retina Macbook Pro, 13-inch,

Retina Macbook Pro, 13-inch, Late 2012, running Mavericks.

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Retina MacBook Pro 15" running mavericks

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MacBook Pro Mavericks 2013 2.9ghz

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Glad to see so many Mac users

Glad to see so many Mac users coming together.

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Count me as also hoping for a

Count me as also hoping for a native Mac client!

2008 iMac (8,1) running Mavericks

Though I am looking into getting a gaming PC, since I'm having my doubts that this machine will even be able to handle the next WoW expansion, graphics-wise (certain areas in the current expansion already give me trouble). And I just don't have the fundage for a new Mac :(

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I still have my Mac Mini the

I still have my Mac Mini, the 1st one. :)

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Izzy wrote:
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I still have my Mac Mini, the 1st one. :)

Has the top plastic turned yellow?

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Lin Chiao Feng wrote:
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Has the top plastic turned yellow?

Umm.. does the ring stain from my mug count? :/

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MacBook Pro and iMac on

MacBook Pro and iMac on latest IOS. 2010ish models. You all will be my saviors when the bugs show up. No pressure.

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Just to reiterate.. we're

Just to reiterate.. we're talking CROSS PLATFORM play right? Using the same server?

Not like PS4 vs PC in DC Universe.. right?

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Late 2013 MBP here, also got

Late 2013 MBP here, also got a PC sitting around if all else fails though!

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I have a Mac as well, late

I have a Mac as well, late 2013 desktop. The games I already play are so smooth and fluid (The Sims, SimCity), I'd be extremely happy to have a Mac version.

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I'd be interested, if someone

I'd be interested, if someone contacts me when it's available. I'm decent at probing for bugs in video game softwares on Mac OS X since as far back as the release of Leopard. I have a pretty nice set of software from making ports of games and such. I'll be interested when the time comes

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With any luck, I'll be

With any luck, I'll be getting a new computer sometime in the next couple of months. It will also be a Mac laptop (most likely Quad-core, since this time I am going for a top-of-the-line model), running whatever is newest at the time. I'll be available for testing (or even coding) as well.

Edit on 4/22/2014: Looks like I have to put off the new computer until the end of the year. Still... when I get it, it'll be goooooood. And it'll be a Mac.

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Mac Pro - Early 2008 Vintage.

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nothing fancy, but thought i'd better chime in, mac mini (i5 version, mavericks).

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As my old PC died I'm now

As my old PC died I'm now running on a Mac mini, but by the time the fun starts I should have a Mac Pro.

-Edit 20150806-

Guess I should update this. I did not end up with a Mac Pro in the end but I am very happy with my iMac, I'll post the specs:

iMac (21.5 inch, Late 2013)
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Revolution wrote:
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Black Arachnia wrote:
Count my wife and I on this list. We are kind of tired of only being able to play WoW together.

It is possible to play Star Trek Online and Champions Online with a wrapper (it is for STO, but works for CO as well)

Wait, champions will run on mac??
I looked the at their website the other day and it seemed to only support windows.

Halp?

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You have to install the Star

You have to install the Star Trek Online wrapper (It's been so long since I installed/played either game I don't have a link, but it is somewhere on the STO forums). It was getting iffy on my system last time I logged on (year ago maybe). Good news is that you can play STO as well and it is a better game that works better with the wrapper (on my Macbook Pro at least....)

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I run IMAC w/ 10.8.5 I'm not

I run IMAC w/ 10.8.5 I'm not upgrading to Mavericks or Yosemite. I'll hop on the update after. My husband is going to Yosemite soon. We play as a duo. I have a PC with windows 7. he does not have a PC.

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We are IMAC, you will be

We are IMAC, you will be assimilated

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iMac 27 inch with 16 gig ram

iMac 27 inch with 16 gig ram and intel chip and Windows 7.

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Please make a real Mac

Please make a real Mac version. Meaning, have Mac HOTKEYS!!! I don't want to see in the tutorial, "tap the Num Lock, or tap the Home Key, or some other PC based key from a PC keyboard." --

Thank you.

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iMac here mid-2011

iMac here mid-2011

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Hello fellow macoids. As far

Hello fellow macoids. As far as I know (I am not on the tech, UI or gameplay teams) keys should all be programmable much like CoH's were. At least that is the goal.

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Two Macbook Pros running

Two Macbook Pros running Sierra here! Whee!

Update: We've got Version 10.12.6 as of 08/17

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I am unfortunately stuck in

I am unfortunately stuck in Lion until I can afford to upgrade my audio programs.

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Imac i5 here

Imac i5 here. That said, I run bootcamp mostly. I like having the option. :)

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I'm loving Marvel Heroes 2015

I'm loving Marvel Heroes 2015 on Mac BUT it still has some issues (because the game wasn't designed in a mac client as well from the beginning). Unreal does MOST of the work but there's a lot of work to be done in the alpha to be sure they work

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Update!

Update!

Still have a Mac, but it's a new Quad-core i7 running MacOS 10.10. Mmmm, shiny.

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Just an FYI. Star Trek Online

Just an FYI. Star Trek Online now has a Mac client. Known Paragonians are working on it (I believe someone named Matt or something ;) ). There was also a fleet of CoX peeps around.

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I've an original Macbook Air.

I've an original Macbook Air. Not as powerful processorwise as some but the dedicated graphics card made it run CoX with no problems. :)

Hoping that CoT will run OK on it too. (I can turn it down to minimum graphics settings I'm not picky... :) )

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Yeah, I'm on a 2010 Macbook

Yeah, I'm on a 2010 Macbook Pro now, but my Powerbook G4 ran CoH ok. Few probs with blooms and very large groups, but good enough for me. I'm not sure what our ending specs will be. I do know that I can use UE4's engine on this machine if I upgrade my OS (on Lion still for my audio programs). If I could make the game on this machine, it looks promising.

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Late 2013 Macbook Pro Retina

Late 2013 Macbook Pro Retina 15" (NVIDEA GT 750M ) here. Used to play CoX on my iMac 27 all the time, the Mac client was great. :-)

Both my kids also played CoX (and plan on playing CoT) using a new Mac Mini and a Macbook Pro 13" Late 2011. The 13" will likely be replaced before CoT comes out, and possibly the 15". Most likely the 15" will roll over to my son and I'll have something newer.

Can't wait to play with CoT in any capacity, my 12 year old daughter has gotten back into Champions Online and asks me almost daily for the latest rumors/info on the CoX successors. She has VERY fond memories of playing CoX with her brother and myself, She made a great Tanker. :-)

James

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MacBook Pro 13.3 (Late 2013)

MacBook Pro 13.3 (Late 2013) and a Mac Mini (Mid 2014), both dual core i5 and both with 16GB of ram. Both running Yosemite.

I would love for this to be on a Mac.

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I have a MacBook Pro running

I have a MacBook Pro running Yosemite and a Windows Desktop running 8.1. Looking forward to be able to play CoT on both!

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I'm sporting a 27" iMac, late

I'm sporting a 27" iMac, late 2013 version, with the Nvidia GTX 775M graphics chip. Running Yosemite.

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Currently running a MacBook

Currently running a MacBook Pro with El Capitan, Can't remember when I bought it but I wanna say 2012-13

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White_Glint Mac OSX El

White_Glint Mac OSX El Capitan 10.11.1

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Version 10.12.14 Sierra

Version 10.12.14 Sierra

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I am new here (this is my

I am new here (this is my first post, as a matter of fact) but I do plan to follow the development of this game and hopefully play it one day, as well.

I use an early 2015 Macbook w/ 8 GB ram.

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So Update I now run maxOS

So Update I now run maxOS Catalina 10.15.7 with a Radeon Pro 580X 8GB video mem | 3.6 ghz 8 core I9 | 32GB DDR4 sys mem [I know it's a necro but I didn't see a newer post.]

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Cute Kitsune the Anti Villain of Phoenix Rising.
I have more fervor then empathy, I still like you.~Me to a friend
It applies here too, I'm passionate not hostile.

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I’m running Catalina on a 2

I’m running Catalina on a 2.3GHz i9, 32GB DRAM, and Radeon Pro 5600M.

Cute Kitsune, your system should be more than fine unless something weird turns up.

And stay tuned, don’t turn that dial!

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MacStudio(2022) w/ M1 Ultra,

MacStudio(2022) w/ M1 Ultra, 128 GB Memory, 8TB SSD. Running macOS Monterey(12.7).

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a dream,
a bubble,
a shadow.
Nothing is permanent.
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Nothing is worthy of dispute.
Nothing.

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Redlynne wrote:
Redlynne wrote:

Redlynne - iMac running OS X 10.9

Revision:
M2 Mac Mini currently running OSX Sonoma 14.1.1

Give me a break, it's been over 10 years since I last posted info to this thread in post [url=https://cityoftitans.com/comment/26397#comment-26397][b]#40[/b][/url] on 29 Oct 2013 ...

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