I’m not sure exactly where it was stated but I thought one of the devs has indicated that, if their planned timeline had slipped, they would communicate that. I think there was a milestone that they needed to reach in March or May in order to ascertain whether or not they would meet that. Since I haven’t heard otherwise, I’ve been assuming that we’re still on track for Fall 2018 chargen release. I could also be making this up so I hope one of the devs will correct me if I’m wrong or verify if I’m right.

I’m in the same boat as you: eagerly, desperately waiting for The Big Day. I have many characters planned.

"not dismissing the question"
But not answering it either.
This type of evasion is a big part of why I stopped participating in this forum.

A fair question I wouldn't mind an answer on. I filter in and out of the forums. The announcements we have gotten recently paint a neat picture of things we can do and theories, but they dont feel like... beta soon announcements.

In the FAQ the projected date for the beta is Fall 2018, so it's safe to assume that we are indeed on schedule for that time frame.

The Fighting Canadian wrote:

For a Fall 2018 beta? Are we pretty confident 5 years in? Or does 2019 look more realistic for a beta, with 2020 being a realistic release year? I'm just curious because I'm dying to play!!

As far as we know they are still on track for at least the release of the Char Gen this year. No Redname has begun to mention anything more (or less) than that yet.

To be clear though the Devs have "strongly hinted" that along with the Char Gen we're actually going to get at least some portion of the actual game to run around in (similar to [url=https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Paragon_Chat]Paragon Chat[/url]) so this should be a fairly significant release towards an actual complete beta of the game.

The Fighting Canadian wrote:

Lothic wrote:

The Fighting Canadian wrote:

For a Fall 2018 beta? Are we pretty confident 5 years in? Or does 2019 look more realistic for a beta, with 2020 being a realistic release year? I'm just curious because I'm dying to play!!

As far as we know they are still on track for at least the release of the Char Gen this year. No Redname has begun to mention anything more (or less) than that yet.

To be clear though the Devs have "strongly hinted" that along with the Char Gen we're actually going to get at least some portion of the actual game to run around in (similar to [url=https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Paragon_Chat]Paragon Chat[/url]) so this should be a fairly significant release towards an actual complete beta of the game.

This is good to hear.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that at this point since you're getting so close to fall 2018 and we are at the 5-year mark that perhaps a dev post talking about a little more detail as to launch plans and where we stand in terms of how much time of development we are looking at.

You can't tell me that we're not at a point where they can confidently say yes we should have a release within 12 to 18 months or no it's still going to be another one to two years. And for financial backers I personally think we'd all be fine if they're to come out and say we've got another couple years to go.

I'm in favor of getting as much concrete info from the Renames about this game as anyone. But I'm willing to give them until around the beginning of October before I'd seriously would want to hear one way or the other.

Obviously if they expect it's going to slip significantly into 2019 the [i]earlier[/i] they let us know that the better. If they tried to slide through the November-January timeframe without saying -anything- that would be bad, or at least would make the situation worse than it needs to be from the PR point of view.

The Fighting Canadian wrote:

desviper wrote:

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Yup. Not an answer.

Do you think if a group of investors asked the organization they invested in for specific answers in regards to the the product they invested in, 5 years after initially investing, and in return they got vague, tip toe, beat around the bush answers, that they would be happy? No, they would threaten to pull funding.

Why can no one answer the question? I was not in the least bit worried until now. So good job guys.

Would you rather they rush and cut to get a glitchy abomination out by the 27th?

I can get why Fighting Canadian is reacting the way he is to forum goers.

Like imagine asking a friend "So are we still hanging out on Friday?"

And they answered "Good things come to those who wait."

You're looking for a yes or no and they're giving you fortune cookie proverbs.

As an actual answer, like some others have stated, as far as we know it still has 2018 as a release of something, the character generator, alpha, beta... Not entirely sure. But something. Like, fingers crossed that they don't hit any snags before then. But, as far as I can tell, if all goes as planned, something by the end of 2018.

But also I'm not a backer as I only learned about the Kickstarter after it was done. So I don't have much/anything riding on this.

Guess I just trust the devs. Even without confirmation, I'm good waiting.

Also I'm kinda broke now :p

At the moment the big hangup is a UV bug with costumes that's making us tear our hair out. Once that's done, we'll see what bugbear if any comes up next.

So far we're still on target for the costume creator this fall. I'll admit, I'd *wanted* it out last month, but finding these little issues is delaying it.

The Devs have said several times the 2nd kickstarter would not happen until they have something to show for it...like the CharGen.

Doctor Tyche wrote:

At the moment the big hangup is a UV bug with costumes that's making us tear our hair out. Once that's done, we'll see what bugbear if any comes up next.

So far we're still on target for the costume creator this fall. I'll admit, I'd *wanted* it out last month, but finding these little issues is delaying it.

[img]https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000142647794-1w3p6l-t500x500.jpg[/img]

whats UV :p

I keep reading ultraviolet

(Do realize, I am not involved in the costume creator itself, but working on the quest system and maps, so my information there is filtered and may be out of date)

desviper wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:

desviper wrote:

whats UV :p

I keep reading ultraviolet

Short answer - it's what tells the system how to map a texture to a 3d model.

Actually does sound vaguely familiar, and like something that could be nightmarishly complicated in a superhero mmo.

You're not wrong there. But it can do oh so much.

The Fighting Canadian wrote:

Are there folks you can reach out to, like Unreal? Other devs in a casual fashion for tips and suggestions?

We do, regularly.

Geveo wrote:

The Fighting Canadian wrote:

Are there folks you can reach out to, like Unreal? Other devs in a casual fashion for tips and suggestions?

I'd guess that Unreal is as eager for this game to launch as any of us, as they can't start cashing in on their royalties until MWM starts showing revenue. ;)

Is that actually how it works? I thought they license it to MWM whether they make money or not.

Let's just say we did not want to explode your GPUs. :P

cloganart wrote:

Let's just say we did not want to explode your GPUs. :P

And I, for one, appreciate that sentiment.

cloganart wrote:

Let's just say we did not want to explode your GPUs. :P

Cowards!

The Fighting Canadian wrote:

Cobalt Azurean wrote:

Dark Cleric wrote:

Cobalt Azurean wrote:

While I myself prefer to have a definite answer, I know when schedules slip, people (vocal participants on forums, social media, etc) gripe, bitch, and moan that they're not getting what they want right meow dammit. So I put aside my personal preferences and indulge in some patience because I'd rather not have to deal with that noise. But, again, that's just me.

That's a very unfair assessment. To say a backer is just bitching and saying they want it "right meow dammit" 6 years after backing MWM is just ridiculous. They have every right to ask for straight answers and the 'proof in the pudding' after that long of time.

Well, to be fair, I didn't think it was fair to specifically state that it was non-backers telling backers to "just wait". That would infer to me, based on the use of the word 'backer', that it was used purposefully for its monetary connotations and that maybe non-backers shouldn't express their opinion due to their lack of financial contribution. I don't have a problem with inquiring about results and holding people (and businesses) accountable, but seemingly shouting someone down because they didn't (or couldn't) support the Kickstarter doesn't make their opinion or perspective any less viable.

Also, please don't take a generalized, openly inclusive statement such as 'people' and reduce it only to a single case to fit your argument. I intentionally wanted to state that anyone, backers [i]and[/i] non-backers, can and will complain when production time-lines slip as they have a tendency to be viewed as iron-clad promises, which I view as an immature and unrealistic response. And, again, this is just my perspective, and may or may not be the actual reason why MWM performs in the manner that they do, but it is equally fair of me to share it on the forums.

It was a non backers telling me to wait. Nothing unfair about it. A non backer has no rite to tell a backer/investor to just wait.

Like it or not, someone who financially invested in this game does and should have a bit more right to ask "What's going on with the timeline?" than someone with zero financial investment at this point. Why? Because a backer is helping fund the game! In a sense it's part ownership. It has zero to do with anyone being rude, someone being unfair etc. It was a simple status update question. Then for some reason non backers just started complaining about the question. There was zero intent to ruffle feathers with my initial, simple question.

You mean they don't have the Kickstarter badge, right? For all you know, the supposed non-backer could be contributing to MWM's Patreon and bought stuff out of the webstore. Ergo, backing the project financially in other ways than just the Kickstarter. So, really, your assumption is based on potentially faulty knowledge.

And you have all the right to request an update from the company, but if you ask in a [i]public[/i] forum, versus a private message to a dev, your discourse between you and the company party is open to dialogue from outside parties. So, my suggestion is that if you don't want someone whom you feel shouldn't be involved in your conversation, you shouldn't have your conversation publicly.

Okay okay, this is starting to get pretty heated and it really shouldn't need to.

Fighting Canadian, you do have a point. You asked your question with no rancor and no tone of judgement, to all appearances happy to accept news of a delay, so long as it was clear. That's a very welcome attitude, and I can see why some of the responses you got would frustrate you.

But let me give it a little context. You, yes, did no wrong. Did it all right in fact. Thing is, people question City of Titan's release a LOT and our forum Titans have become very used to dealing with a particular type that is a lot more common that your own approach. A knee jerk response is regrettable, but it's not hard to understand where it came from. It's not really personal.

That said, I do have to address the backer bit. I understand your feelings about it, and likely most of your choice of words was driven by sheer frustration at that point, which is very understandable. But I want to point out that many on this forum are non-backers. They came late or were broke, it doesn't matter which. What matters is they are here, participating in this forum, believing in and wanting to see this game, just like the backers do. It is [i]also[/i] unfair to suggest that because they didn't back, they can't possibly be equally invested, emotionally, as a backer. Many very passionate supporters are not backers. And they've become, over the years they've stuck with us, very used to the waiting game. They may take it a bit for granted at this point.

As Nate said, there are always new bugs and obstacles. The Big One, however, was the new plug-in based integration project. We explained the basics of what we were taking on [url=https://cityoftitans.com/forum/developers-workshop-put-plugin-it]here[/url]. We underestimated the sheer scope of what we were taking on, although, I want to emphasize, we had NOT underestimated the benefits. Until that was conquered, we weren't going to be able to form a clear answer, except that we still expected to make the end of year goals, something we have been saying when asked (we got here a bit late, sorry TFC)

We will likely have a more detailed, public post at some point. But for now I will say that as of this weekend, that hurdle has been cleared. It works, and it works very very well and has already demonstrated a capacity to save stunning amounts of work. Because it's so recent that's about all we can say, besides for that we'll keep working, keep making that Chargen (it's coming together very quickly), and will stay in touch.

...and probably do need to update that FAQ entry. When you're scrambling to get something like this done with our resources, those sorts of details can get lost, despite being important to everyone checking it to stay up to date. I appreciate the reminder.

Shadow Elusive wrote:

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We will likely have a more detailed, public post at some point. But for now I will say that as of this weekend, that hurdle has been cleared. It works, and it works very very well and has already demonstrated a capacity to save stunning amounts of work. Because it's so recent that's about all we can say, besides for that we'll keep working, keep making that Chargen (it's coming together very quickly), and will stay in touch.

...and probably do need to update that FAQ entry. When you're scrambling to get something like this done with our resources, those sorts of details can get lost, despite being important to everyone checking it to stay up to date. I appreciate the reminder.

This is awesome news! Thanks so much for the info, Shadow!

Project_Hero wrote:

cloganart wrote:

Let's just say we did not want to explode your GPUs. :P

Cowards!

The funny thing is I'm probably just about in the best position right now to try out a game that might melt my GPU.

First of all I'm reasonably sure my gaming system could handle it because it's fairly "beefy" GPU/CPU/RAM/cooling wise. But my "Plan B" is pretty simple in that I'm seriously thinking of buying a new rig around the first of the year so if the game currently "melts client PCs" I'm going to have a replacement soon regardless. ;)

The Fighting Canadian wrote:

Shadow Elusive wrote:

Okay okay, this is starting to get pretty heated and it really shouldn't need to.

Fighting Canadian, you do have a point. You asked your question with no rancor and no tone of judgement, to all appearances happy to accept news of a delay, so long as it was clear. That's a very welcome attitude, and I can see why some of the responses you got would frustrate you.

But let me give it a little context. You, yes, did no wrong. Did it all right in fact. Thing is, people question City of Titan's release a LOT and our forum Titans have become very used to dealing with a particular type that is a lot more common that your own approach. A knee jerk response is regrettable, but it's not hard to understand where it came from. It's not really personal.

That said, I do have to address the backer bit. I understand your feelings about it, and likely most of your choice of words was driven by sheer frustration at that point, which is very understandable. But I want to point out that many on this forum are non-backers. They came late or were broke, it doesn't matter which. What matters is they are here, participating in this forum, believing in and wanting to see this game, just like the backers do. It is [i]also[/i] unfair to suggest that because they didn't back, they can't possibly be equally invested, emotionally, as a backer. Many very passionate supporters are not backers. And they've become, over the years they've stuck with us, very used to the waiting game. They may take it a bit for granted at this point.

As Nate said, there are always new bugs and obstacles. The Big One, however, was the new plug-in based integration project. We explained the basics of what we were taking on [url=https://cityoftitans.com/forum/developers-workshop-put-plugin-it]here[/url]. We underestimated the sheer scope of what we were taking on, although, I want to emphasize, we had NOT underestimated the benefits. Until that was conquered, we weren't going to be able to form a clear answer, except that we still expected to make the end of year goals, something we have been saying when asked (we got here a bit late, sorry TFC)

We will likely have a more detailed, public post at some point. But for now I will say that as of this weekend, that hurdle has been cleared. It works, and it works very very well and has already demonstrated a capacity to save stunning amounts of work. Because it's so recent that's about all we can say, besides for that we'll keep working, keep making that Chargen (it's coming together very quickly), and will stay in touch.

...and probably do need to update that FAQ entry. When you're scrambling to get something like this done with our resources, those sorts of details can get lost, despite being important to everyone checking it to stay up to date. I appreciate the reminder.

This is very, very good news.

I'd like to apologise for my part in this heated discussion. Others are right, my question should have been posted elsewhere, like the Kickstarter subsection (found that a bit late). I also have zero doubt that those here have donated more loyal support and devotion than anyone could financially. I did not intend to belittle anyone. Was simply trying to explain why I asked what I did.

Thank you all!!

To make it up to you I’ll add lil’ wings as side accessories to the head!

[size=3] I mean they were already done, but we can act like we’ve done it for you regardless! [/size]

Radiac wrote:

And as one minor point of clarification to the original poster, I personally do not define myself or anyone else who donated to the Kickstarter as an "investor". I have investments, they make me money in the stock market. What I personally consider myself to be in terms of my relationship to the City of Titans project is a donor. An investor would be remunerated and see an eventual real financial return on his or her investment. I'm not seeing any personal monetary profit whether CoT flies or fails, but I still want a game to play, so I consider myself a donor with high hopes that I'll eventually get a game to play.

Yeah that whole "investor vs. doner" question get's kicked around every so often and ultimately I'd have to agree this is more of a "doner" scenario than an investor one. Again it's a quibble but there you go.

Frankly as a Kickstarter participant I think you could fairly use the word "gambler" as well but I realize that word has some fairly heavy negative connotation so I'll compromise with using "doner" in polite company. ;)

We all are at the least emotionally invested in this endeavour.

Doctor Tyche wrote:

We all are at the least emotionally invested in this endeavour.

^This.

Empyrean wrote:

Been following this thread, and due to the various types and amounts of investment--from financial to emotional to many hours of unpaid work on the part of the devs--it's not hard to see how topics like this become heated even when that isn't the original intent. You're all awesome, and I can't wait to play City of Titans with you.

Same sentiment as Empyrean here!

Best,

King Dunce

17 min and some odd seconds in... cough of speaker explosion

desviper wrote:

If we're going for Pathos, I'm hoping to bond with dad on this game like we did in CoH, especially since I just moved to Canada.

Welcome to Canada! Hope you enjoy it here!

I love how this thread transformed from a “where are we now?” thread to one in which we are receiving small morsels of extremely delicious information. The news about getting over a big hurdle over the weekend is HUGE and exciting, and the hints about what will be coming to us as far as costume options are just gravy.

My urgent desire to start building my characters is reaching a fever pitch! Guess I’ll conceptualize another new one in my “notebook o’ heroes” now!

Dark Cleric wrote:

Safehouse wrote:

I love how this thread transformed from a “where are we now?” thread to one in which we are receiving small morsels of extremely delicious information.

Agreed. This is the kind of information they could put in the banner up top...you know, the one they created and almost never use XD "Big UV bug is wreaking havoc inside CoT...UPDATE: the World Creator (Avel) has squashed the bug and CoT is back on track!"

And this is why we don't update every single time we run into a bug. By the time it becomes disseminated out, it's often times resolved.

I'd literally heard of the bug an hour before I mentioned it here. And we all saw how quickly they nailed it.

Doctor Tyche wrote:

I'd literally heard of the bug an hour before I mentioned it here. And we all saw how quickly they nailed it.

This is the type of thing they mean when they say "most people really don't want to know how the sausage is made". ;)

Lothic wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:

I'd literally heard of the bug an hour before I mentioned it here. And we all saw how quickly they nailed it.

This is the type of thing they mean when they say "most people really don't want to know how the sausage is made". ;)

Having worked in the sausage factory, [i] even I don't know how a sausage is made sometimes![/i]

I mainly put up my video to show that the sausage [i]is[/i] being made at all. For those more interested in the gory details PMing me works (eventually - I'm sometimes slow to check).

cloganart wrote:

Lothic wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:

I'd literally heard of the bug an hour before I mentioned it here. And we all saw how quickly they nailed it.

This is the type of thing they mean when they say "most people really don't want to know how the sausage is made". ;)

Having worked in the sausage factory, [i] even I don't know how a sausage is made sometimes![/i]

Haggis is a type of sausage, and I know how to make it. So yes, it is quite true.