Boot to the head badge.

That's right.
Give people a badge to beat me up and I spam the heck out of your thread.
Take that:

I think people should get over the can't obtain all badges for whatever reason gripefest, that happened in CoH.

Miss out on the tutorial badge? Oh well. It's not like people who missed out on an anniversary badge because they weren't able to log in that one month didn't miss out as well. Some badges you just may miss and will have to move on from.

Personally, I think that any badges that are in the tutorial should be a part of the tutorial introducing the system. Don't hide them, don't make them an easter egg. Use the badge that's in there as a tool to introduce the interface and the system (make it impossible to miss!), or don't have one in the tutorial at all. I'm also of the opinion that any badges that aren't time-locked should be available to anyone. You should be able to go back and get them, if you missed them, through some mechanic it should be possible with some work to go back and get it. I have no problem with time-sensitive badges being possible to miss, but if a badge is permanently in the game...it should be possible to get with varying amounts of work.

Brand X wrote:

I think people should get over the can't obtain all badges for whatever reason gripefest, that happened in CoH.
Miss out on the tutorial badge? Oh well. It's not like people who missed out on an anniversary badge because they weren't able to log in that one month didn't miss out as well. Some badges you just may miss and will have to move on from.

I know it's sometimes hard to remember that there was a time when CoH did NOT have badges at all. Badges didn't appear in the game until [url=http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Issue_2]Issue 2[/url] which didn't get released until almost 6 months after the game's launch.

Why is that important you may ask? Well if you're the type of person who's a "badge completionist" then it was probably 99.9999% likely that by the time Issue 2 arrived you had already long since finished the tutorial with your main character(s). It's one thing to miss out on getting a badge if you were simply too lazy or wasn't aware of a badge like [url=http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Isolator]Isolator[/url] when you were going through the tutorial, but it's another thing when you move past an area you can't return to and then have the Devs decide to throw a badge in that area many months AFTER you would've had ANY reasonable chance to get it.

So while I might actually agree with your point of view when it comes to things like Anniversary badges I actually sharply DISAGREE when it comes/came to badges like Isolator. At least in the case of the Anniversary badges a player can be fully aware of when they are coming and can make reasonable efforts to try to obtain them so if they miss them it's totally the player's fault. What made Isolator different for pre-Issue2 players was that it was totally the Devs' fault for us missing it, not the players. That's a huge difference in this case.

In fact when you think about it the only legitimate reason why the Devs bothered to give us the "RV solution" for Isolator (and then later the Ouroboros mission) was because they had become convinced that trapping Isolator in the tutorial was a fundamental mistake on their part that had to be corrected. As I'm sure you'll recall they never bothered to give us new ways to get other time-locked badges like the old Anniversary badges because like you I'm sure they believed it was solely the player's fault for missing those.

So even the CoH Devs' accepted in the long run that trapping badges in the tutorial was a "bad thing" and hopefully the CoT Devs will learn from (and not repeat) that mistake.

Darkfaith wrote:

Personally, I think that any badges that are in the tutorial should be a part of the tutorial introducing the system. Don't hide them, don't make them an easter egg. Use the badge that's in there as a tool to introduce the interface and the system (make it impossible to miss!), or don't have one in the tutorial at all. I'm also of the opinion that any badges that aren't time-locked should be available to anyone. You should be able to go back and get them, if you missed them, through some mechanic it should be possible with some work to go back and get it. I have no problem with time-sensitive badges being possible to miss, but if a badge is permanently in the game...it should be possible to get with varying amounts of work.

Exactly this.

Brand X wrote:

Then put a badge in it in the beginning, but no way to go back for it. Then it really is the players fault if they miss it :p

If the CoT badge system is up and running on Launch Day then it would be totally up to the player to get any badges they wanted, even ones that might be locked in the tutorial. By then the beta would have likely been live for months and everyone who would care about getting every badge possible could research it and be aware of its existence.

Personally I would still like to see NO badges trapped anywhere like that regardless. But at least it would not be a situation of the Devs changing the game six months after launch to create a new badge system that would require access to an area that no Launch Day character could ever get back to. That was just plain stupid.

Nijanus wrote:

Here is a thought to ponder. What is the point of collecting badges unless there is a reward for having them. Maybe there should be a badge for the most badges collected. ;-)

If the CoT "badge community" works the same way it did in CoH there will end up being a small group of roughly several dozen players/characters who'll always be tied with effectively every badge currently available in the game at all times. I know this because I had two characters both of which were always in the Top 5 or so of the overall lists on Virtue for years.

Whenever a new Issue added new badges to the game it was always an informal race to see who would make it back up to the top the quickest. But beyond that most of us at the top would simply remain tied at the top for like 98% of the time waiting for the next Issue to hit. Basically what I'm saying is there's not going to be any one single person who ever has "the most badges".

Now if there was some way for the game to keep track of everyone's badge totals on the entire server in real time then maybe there would be a chance to reward the character that gets the highest total the quickest your special badge based on being the person that has more badges than anyone else at any given split-second moment in time. This would mean that even if there are like 50 people racing to get the most badges the quickest there would still only be one who gets the extra badge because he/she got there first. Every time the game added new badges there would be a mad rush to collect the new ones the fastest in order to get the unique top badge. It would be utter chaos (for good or bad) assuming it were possible to track everyone's totals in real time like that.

Nijanus wrote:

Here is a thought to ponder. What is the point of collecting badges unless there is a reward for having them. Maybe there should be a badge for the most badges collected. ;-)

Would you lose the badge if someone then got more than you?

Badge for talking your way out of a fight, especially if it's not an obvious option ;)

Huckleberry wrote:

... or for talking your way into one, especially if its not an obvious option ;)

Much better for villains, too!

A badge for not solving a problem with violence or anything else for that matter.
Woman gets mugged, thief passes by hero standing there checking his auction house transactions.
Call it the, "I'm on my break" badge, or the "Not my problem" badge. Great for unfulfilled employee types.

Badge for starting fires. "Red Swingline Stapler"

Grimfox wrote:

Badge for starting fires. "Red Swingline Stapler"

Made my day.

Yes, this is a necropost, but just because this thread is old doesn't mean it is not the most appropriate place to post this:

It occurred to me this morning that one of the hallmarks of fictional heroes is their ability to disappear right when the NPC turns his or her back. It even has its own trope, known as the [url=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StealthHiBye]Stealth Hi/Bye[/url]

Then there is this clip from Justice League that parodies itself:
https://youtu.be/phZEwB7ztXQ?t=69

So, I think it would only be appropriate that in a game featuring superheroes, we have the ability to disappear from NPCs when they turn their backs. We should get a little "[i]ding![/i]" when we know we've successfully done it. And if we do it enough we should get a badge or an achievement.

I am counting on the game's perception and stealth mechanics to accomplish this. Of course, this would probably require that NPCs have a back facing arc we can use to our advantage for those characters who don't have stealth abilities. Only those NPCs we engage in dialogue with should count. I can also see it as a form of dialogue option that isn't an actual dialogue option.

I assume that there will be a standard dialogue engagement range in the game, beyond which we can not engage in dialogue with an NPC. When our characters leave that range from an NPC, I would expect the dialogue box would remain open for a distance or time until the character got to a farther distance or enough time passed such that the dialogue box disappears. This would be so that we don't inadvertantly cancel our own dialogues if we are on the very cusp of the range because the NPC or the character shifts about a little bit.

I would take advantage of that for this Stealth-Bye feature.

When presented with a dialogue option, any dialogue option, if the character breaks contact with the NPC while the dialogue option is still up, and the NPC doesn't have perception of the character at the point where the dialogue box disappears, then that would count. I'm trying not to cause the devs to come up with any new mechanics for this. Just do a simple perception check whenever the disengagement range is reached and grant a success if the perception check fails.

Then, if a success, it could trigger the NPC to say something like "I hate it when they do that"

Project_Hero wrote:

Having it as a dialogue option makes the most sense to me.

Just having the option to sneakily leave instead of saying goodbye or whatever.

Choosing that dialogue option could then make the NPC turn around for a second. We wouldn't need to make it a perception vs stealth role, but just make it a [i]fait accompli[/i]. I'm sure there's an existing "deep in thought" or "monologue-ing" animation the game could run for a few seconds while it turns the NPC away to complete the effect. We could still do it as a badge or achievement, it just wouldn't be as skills-based. But just getting it into the game in some form would still be a victory.

Perfect Perry flashed a careless grin and leapt into the sky while everyone was blinded by his personal lens-flare...

Kitten Dreams simply faded away, as if she had never been there.

Black Valkyrie gave a cold, hard, stare of contempt, turned, and stalked away into the darkness.

Be Well!
Fireheart

nightwings89 wrote:

It`s nice seeing all of this badges, and all so achieve them but are there any reward coming from them like i don`t know may be something to drive you achieve them to make you fight hours for them to still keep you coming back for the good fight, ...

I've seen hints where the Devs have suggested they are planning to "link" more rewards to badges in CoT - things like costume items and such.

The problem with making too many badges provide combat oriented rewards (i.e. +2% Damage) is that if the game ends up providing thousands of badges like CoH did then it would become way too easy to add all those little bonuses up to create incredibly over powered characters. Case in point I ended up with two different characters in CoH that each had 1390+ badges. If most of those badges had provided little combat bonuses you could imagine how ridiculously over powered my characters would have become.

So while badges in CoT might offer more COSMETIC rewards I doubt most of them would ever provide combat benefits. There'd be no way for the Devs to balance the game out between someone with no badges versus someone with a thousand or more badges.

Not necessarily. We did have some in-game benefits from badges in CoH and it never felt like you needed them to complete end-game. They were just useful. Don't get me wrong, I used those powers/Accolades to pull off some improbable things in the game, but they really just ended up being clutch saves rather than must have items. So it rewarded you for earning the buffs but didn't make them necessary for content.

However, it's true that in most MMOs this is not normally how things go.

I would say the bigger problem in CoH, at least for the earlier years, were the temp powers like the Wedding Ring, Sands of Mu, Warburg nukes, etc.