Marvel Heroes is literally advertised as an aRPG. The 'a' is for Action. And it has superheroes. And multiplayer, and potentially massive(ly) numbers again with their push to PS4.

I think even Destiny remarks on their player characters as superheroes, although I couldn't say for sure since I've never played it. I have considered dinking around in Destiny 2 when it launches on PC though.

I'd personally say BDO has clumsy, slapdash combat as well. The whole thing feels interesting initially, but is mechanically extremely shallow and relies on artificial difficulty to challenge players. BDO honestly kinda feels like it could have just been done better in a huge number of ways, including the character customization, which is its most touted feature. I'm not even comparing it to games like CoH; I mean it doesn't even have the level of personal customization you can get from guild Wars 2. it has a ton of sliders, yeah, but that's about it.

Age of Conan has an interesting player-action based combat system.

Be Well!
Fireheart

Cobalt Azurean wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:
BDO is pretty, but if you want action combat, you want games like Tera, Vindictus, and Revelation Online.
Tera was one of the games I briefly tried after the shutdown. To put it mildly, I was underwhelmed by the content. I don't even recall any of the storyarcs, and the combat, while more active, wasn't that great. I preferred Rift over Neverwinter Online, and NO over Tera.

This is over an action mmo however. Rift is a tab, and NWO a hybrid.

What's BDO mean ?

Doctor Tyche wrote:

Cobalt Azurean wrote:
Doctor Tyche wrote:
BDO is pretty, but if you want action combat, you want games like Tera, Vindictus, and Revelation Online.
Tera was one of the games I briefly tried after the shutdown. To put it mildly, I was underwhelmed by the content. I don't even recall any of the storyarcs, and the combat, while more active, wasn't that great. I preferred Rift over Neverwinter Online, and NO over Tera.
This is over an action mmo however. Rift is a tab, and NWO a hybrid.

True, but I was more commenting on my experiences with those other games, specifically Tera in comparison to another fantasy MMO. I've honestly never even looked at BDO before this thread, although I had heard of it.

Phararri wrote:

Wouldn't it be great to have a comic superhero action mmorpg?

Sure, as long as it's not City of Titans, and as long as I don't have to play it. :-)

Wildstar, Blade & Soul, Tera...there's some fun combat mmos.

I'd love an action hero mmo. Been wanting a GOOD one for years. Champions was ok, content was nonexistent. DCUO was ok, too bad it was made for consoles. Wouldn't mind one with Guild Wars 2, or BDO style of combat. But alas. I'd even settle for a hero mmo with gameplay and mechanics like FFXIV's if the rest of the mmo is good.

What I find weird is how hardly any game designers take advantage of the genre for mmos and would rather flood the market with even more fantasy based mmos.

Reldin wrote:

What I find weird is how hardly any game designers take advantage of the genre for mmos and would rather flood the market with even more fantasy based mmos.

I tend to blame the "Disney Effect" for why there aren't way more superhero based computer games than there actually are.

To fully explain my point here's what I mean by the Disney Effect: If you asked the an average American for what they think a "feature length animation film" is or even just to name some examples I'd bet 19 out of 20 would mention Disney in their answer at some point. While Disney certainly is a great company that's produced many great products over the decades they aren't the ONLY people in the world who have ever created feature length animation films.

Now I believe the same thing exists in the superhero genre when it comes to most potential mainstream players. If you were to ask most Americans about what they think "comic book superheroes" are or to list some examples I'd once again bet 19 out of 20 would only mention either Marvel or DC characters/properties. Once again even though those companies have produced great products over the years they aren't the ONLY people in the world who have ever created good superhero comic books or games.

So when it comes to creating good superhero computer games the world is firmly stuck in the mode of expecting them to be either DC or Marvel based. It's extremely hard for a game like CoT to sprout up when the very idea of an INDEPENDENT (or at the very least a NON-DC/NON-MARVEL) world of superhero characters is almost an alien concept to most people. Sadly the vast majority of current superhero-based computer gamers are content with playing directly as Spider-Man or Batman and have very little inclination to even realize they could be playing games where they could create their OWN characters.

Redlynne wrote:

Lothic wrote:
So when it comes to creating good superhero computer games the world is firmly stuck in the mode of expecting them to be either DC or Marvel based.
Pikers. Hinduism is LOADED with superhero stories! Heck, Durga IS a superhero(ine!) as far as the lore goes, since she could do what none of the other gods could!

Yeah I thought I was being concise enough in my post but to be clear when I said "the world" at the point I was pretty much just referring to the world of potential and/or current computer game players in North America.

But since you mentioned it the actual "world" (this time referring to all the people who live on planet Earth) has come up with countless stories/myths that could be translated bit-for-bit into a "superhero" game without missing a beat. This was the wealth of non-DC/non-Marvel content I was alluding to. For a very simple example a player from the Philippines might expect to see a superhero game allow/account for a character like [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darna]Darna[/url]:

[img=200x200]http://orig09.deviantart.net/a930/f/2010/094/8/f/marian_rivera_as_darna_by_gioravelo15.jpg[/img]

Sure she might be a sort of Philippine version of Wonder Woman who somehow manages to expose even -more- skin than Wondie typically does but she's just one of millions of examples out there in the world's collective media.

Lin Chiao Feng wrote:

Brand X wrote:
Lin Chiao Feng wrote:
Brand X wrote:
Wildstar, Blade & Soul, Tera...there's some fun combat mmos.
I played the one that isn't NCSoft. Tera was fun to a point. The landscapes were beautiful, the mountain climbing was great, and the BAM fights were great so long as you could round up a group. But I could tell that the US devs reduced the point cost of leveling a lot so it wasn't such a nasty grind. Still dragged toward the end.
I'm on mixed feelings on that end leveling being a grind. I don't mind it. You're generally going to do what you want to be doing in a game to get levels. However, I can see people not wanting to spend 4 weeks to get a level. Then again, some people complain about 10 hours to get a level :p
I was playing back when Vanarches were still a thing. There was a point when you hit the deserts in the 50's where it seemed like all the content just dried up. It definitely seemed like there was a shortage of quest content compared to everything up to that point.

I had literally the exact same thing happen in Tera. I wasn't high enough level for the next content and I had finished everything available to me. I had to grind it out on open world mobs and it took some doin'.

I got the feeling that Tera's mob XP rewards were left untouched, i.e. if you were just killing mobs, you'd level about as slow as Korean players.

I always thought it sad that Marvel didn't try to make their own MMO. Different but better than DCUO. Especially now. What's to be afraid with all the money the movies are bringing in?

Foradain wrote:

As I understand it, the game that became Champions Online was originally intended to be a Marvel superheroes game. Why and how Marvel pulled out of the deal is not part of my knowledge.

From what I heard, was that they didn't think it would make more money than WoW, so they backed out.

Though, with how they did the art style of CO, it may be good they didn't use Marvel.

I can't say I totally hate CO's art style. I managed, after lots of work, to make a few looks I like, but in general. Yeah. Not pleased.

Of course. I think some of Marvel Heroes looks are terrible too :p Some look like work went into them, others, not so much.

Phararri wrote:

Would you, a mmo player, play CoT if there were no character generator, but they simply implemented their own heroes for players to play as to be different than VO and SoH? Or a better question for everyone, do prefer mmo with pre-made characters or games where you create your own? There are indeed fun mmo where you cant.

No.

I am here because City of Heroes/City of Villains taught me to expect nearly infinite variety in character customization. Champions Online was decent, but it was still a far cry from CoH/CoV. One of my major concerns with Valiance Online has always been the limited nature of their character creator. Every time they came out with a new version of the test environment they would list, "improvements to character models and character creator versatility" among the upgrades and yet, it stayed almost exactly the same over the ten or twelve variations of the game environment I tested.

The Character Creator must be job #1 for any development team hoping to be hailed as a "spiritual successor" to City of Heroes. It is the first point of experience for new players and it defines their expectations for content in the rest of the game.

As I watch these diverse teams draw closer to completion, I am looking for two things: top-notch UGC tools (which starts with the character creator) and who will be the first to offer a functional replacement for the CoV Mastermind class.

For me, everything else is just gravy.

ThunderCAP wrote:

City of Heroes was the first attempt to hybridate imho, with those buttons and animations it really wanted to pass like more action oriented compared to other mmorpgs of that age.

I've played CO, DCUO, TSW, and, for that matter Injustice: Gods Among Us and other console games with my son, and, while CoH wasn't twitchy and was more strategic in build and tactical in gameplay, to me it had BY FAR the best action.

ThunderCAP wrote:

...so copying City of Heroes would be outdated but still would be to copy a success, not a failure at all. Some of those systems are still rare out there, the combat and animations would still be better compared to some mmorpgs of today (ElderScrollsOnline for example, where the feel to hit something is unexistant and so the will to arm the opponent, I deleted it for the melee animations and I'd prefer the super strong punchs of my CoH-hero any time).

And this is a big part of why. The other part is the AMAZING combat movement and big knockback and physics. In most other games I felt like I was underwater or in mud as far as getting around, and when my character moved it was often jerky and immersion-breakingly unnatural.

Brand X wrote:

Greyhawk wrote:
Phararri wrote:
Would you, a mmo player, play CoT if there were no character generator, but they simply implemented their own heroes for players to play as to be different than VO and SoH? Or a better question for everyone, do prefer mmo with pre-made characters or games where you create your own? There are indeed fun mmo where you cant.
No.
I am here because City of Heroes/City of Villains taught me to expect nearly infinite variety in character customization. Champions Online was decent, but it was still a far cry from CoH/CoV. One of my major concerns with Valiance Online has always been the limited nature of their character creator. Every time they came out with a new version of the test environment they would list, "improvements to character models and character creator versatility" among the upgrades and yet, it stayed almost exactly the same over the ten or twelve variations of the game environment I tested.
The Character Creator must be job #1 for any development team hoping to be hailed as a "spiritual successor" to City of Heroes. It is the first point of experience for new players and it defines their expectations for content in the rest of the game.
As I watch these diverse teams draw closer to completion, I am looking for two things: top-notch UGC tools (which starts with the character creator) and who will be the first to offer a functional replacement for the CoV Mastermind class.
For me, everything else is just gravy.
I'm a little baffled by this.
CO has way more sliders than CoH. In fact, it has all the sliders CoH has and then MORE sliders. Then it added even more sliders later with new sliders like, Tail Length, Tail Width, Wing Size.
CoH may have had more costume options, but I can't say if it was more, the same, or just had more options that I personally liked.

Meh. Sliders don't impress me much unless they are body shape sliders. 15 different facial sliders and perfectly animated lips don't mean much when 95% of the time or better the only part of my character I see is the back. So, yes, a huge variety of costume pieces is what defines "fully customizable characters" for me. Not facial sliders.

Good quality run animations, on the other hand, are absolutely vital. Fluid combat movements are key to enjoyable gameplay. Realistic cornea and 45 different eye colors? Not so much.

But everyone is different.

Greyhawk wrote:

Brand X wrote:
Greyhawk wrote:
Phararri wrote:
Would you, a mmo player, play CoT if there were no character generator, but they simply implemented their own heroes for players to play as to be different than VO and SoH? Or a better question for everyone, do prefer mmo with pre-made characters or games where you create your own? There are indeed fun mmo where you cant.
No.
I am here because City of Heroes/City of Villains taught me to expect nearly infinite variety in character customization. Champions Online was decent, but it was still a far cry from CoH/CoV. One of my major concerns with Valiance Online has always been the limited nature of their character creator. Every time they came out with a new version of the test environment they would list, "improvements to character models and character creator versatility" among the upgrades and yet, it stayed almost exactly the same over the ten or twelve variations of the game environment I tested.
The Character Creator must be job #1 for any development team hoping to be hailed as a "spiritual successor" to City of Heroes. It is the first point of experience for new players and it defines their expectations for content in the rest of the game.
As I watch these diverse teams draw closer to completion, I am looking for two things: top-notch UGC tools (which starts with the character creator) and who will be the first to offer a functional replacement for the CoV Mastermind class.
For me, everything else is just gravy.
I'm a little baffled by this.
CO has way more sliders than CoH. In fact, it has all the sliders CoH has and then MORE sliders. Then it added even more sliders later with new sliders like, Tail Length, Tail Width, Wing Size.
CoH may have had more costume options, but I can't say if it was more, the same, or just had more options that I personally liked.
Meh. Sliders don't impress me much unless they are body shape sliders. 15 different facial sliders and perfectly animated lips don't mean much when 95% of the time or better the only part of my character I see is the back. So, yes, a huge variety of costume pieces is what defines "fully customizable characters" for me. Not facial sliders.
Good quality run animations, on the other hand, are absolutely vital. Fluid combat movements are key to enjoyable gameplay. Realistic cornea and 45 different eye colors? Not so much.
But everyone is different.

That's just it. We did. You got more than just build slider. You got arm, shoulder, upper arm, forearm, leg, thigh, lower leg, feet, hand, fingers, build, muscle, height, waist, etc CO really gave you a lot of sliders, however, those more sliders did make it harder for people to make better looking characters.

Especially getting used to using the mass slider with the sliders on everything else. It wasn't just face sliders.

As for costume options, I'm not sure how many CO had compared to CoH, all I can say, is I wish CO had some parts that I had in CO. CoH may have had more hair options, but that doesn't mean much when you only think two of the options were any good :p

Empyrean wrote:

Speaking of action "Superhero" MMO's, anyone have information or an opinion on the whole Secret World Legends thing. I'm thinking about giving it a try till CoT comes out, but I'm not sure what to think.
I loved everything about TSW except for actually playing it. Buildcraft and look customization were meh, travel hoofing it around was horrible and fighting was a chore you had to get through to see more of the amazing atmosphere, story, and lore.

The revamp might be for you, then. From what I've read, they've adjusted the skill wheel and combat, deck customization, and the closet for your character's appearance. I'm fairly certain they also mentioned a more involved intro to get a better grasp of how to pick your skills and such. All the content is exactly what it was before, which is what is keeping me away from trying it again. I played all the way up to waiting for Tokyo, but after what seemed like 1346 months of waiting and being capped at 10.4 gear and a full skill and auxiliary wheel, I moved on. I did hear Tokyo was pretty good though.