At what level can we take our first Tertiary power?

Sun, 04/15/2018 - 19:14

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but...blasters are supposed

but...blasters are supposed to be squishy!

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Sun, 04/15/2018 - 19:15

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Wolfgang8565 wrote:

Wolfgang8565 wrote:

but...blasters are supposed to be squishy!

Not mine! My blasters will take a lickin and keep on tickin!

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Sun, 04/15/2018 - 21:23

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The Gunner subtype of the

The Gunner subtype of the Ranger archetype will offer a ranged offense primary powerset, and a protection secondary powerset, which should start giving you defensive abilities at level 1.
...but maybe you knew about that option, and want to know when you can stack even more defenses?

I would also like to know the answer to your Tertiary slot question. I mean to make one of each primary damage powerset in the tough blaster style!

Sun, 04/15/2018 - 21:56

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Scott Jackson wrote:

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The Gunner subtype of the Ranger archetype will offer a ranged offense primary powerset, and a protection secondary powerset, which should start giving you defensive abilities at level 1.
...but maybe you knew about that option, and want to know when you can stack even more defenses?

I would also like to know the answer to your Tertiary slot question. I mean to make one of each primary damage powerset in the tough blaster style!

Gunner is one of the specs that won't be available at launch, so I believe they're asking because they'd like to make the character before Gunner becomes available, and perhaps then respec into Gunner once they can.

I'm of a similar mind. I'd like to create characters based on my Fortunata and my Peacebringer, both of which require ranged attacks and protection powers, but I guess will have to McGuyver it with the Partisan spec and a few Tertiaries at launch.

As to the OP, I'm not certain, but I'm fairly sure it'll be early on (single digit levels), so it should be doable with a minimum of fuss.

Sun, 04/15/2018 - 22:25

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If they keep as close to CoH

If they keep as close to CoH as possible then I would guess at level 4 or 5.

Mon, 04/16/2018 - 09:34

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This question was asked once

This question was asked once before; by you, actually. This was the answer:

Tannim222 wrote:

Cyclops wrote:

That brings up a follow up question. At what level do we get out first Tertiary power choice?

I can't provide the specifics at this time, we have a couple of progression charts we need to analyze before one becomes final. But your first pick is "early" in the game.

Cyclops wrote:

Further, you mention Tertiary "sets."
Can we pick and choose powers? or do we pick a Set and choose from the powers offered in the set?

You select a particular set and must choose one of the starting powers of that set. These srarter powers are requirements in order to unlock later tiers of the set.

Cyclops wrote:

If I was building a Brute, and just wanted infravision could I do that? or would I be limited to the Brute sets?
PS, if we are on a set system, can I suggest that some Tertiary powers be ala carte just to spice up the game.

Tertiary sets are like power pools. Except over time, we will have more sets than thenold game had. Most of our Tertiary Sets are smaller, simplified versions of Primary Sets. There will be Super Senses, Combat Mobility, and others. There are currently no specific Class-based Tertiary Sets, or any other restrictions except for when a Tertiary can be selected by level, and the total number of Tertiary Sets. Yes we will have a limit on them for a couple of reasons.

There was a lot more about it discussed in that thread. You can find it [url=https://cityoftitans.com/comment/110731#comment-110731]here[/url].

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Mon, 04/16/2018 - 10:21

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Huckleberry wrote:

Huckleberry wrote:

This question was asked once before; by you, actually. This was the answer:

Tannim222 wrote:

Cyclops wrote:

That brings up a follow up question. At what level do we get out first Tertiary power choice?

I can't provide the specifics at this time, we have a couple of progression charts we need to analyze before one becomes final. But your first pick is "early" in the game.

Cyclops wrote:

Further, you mention Tertiary "sets."
Can we pick and choose powers? or do we pick a Set and choose from the powers offered in the set?

You select a particular set and must choose one of the starting powers of that set. These srarter powers are requirements in order to unlock later tiers of the set.

Cyclops wrote:

If I was building a Brute, and just wanted infravision could I do that? or would I be limited to the Brute sets?
PS, if we are on a set system, can I suggest that some Tertiary powers be ala carte just to spice up the game.

Tertiary sets are like power pools. Except over time, we will have more sets than thenold game had. Most of our Tertiary Sets are smaller, [u]simplified versions of Primary Sets[/u]. There will be Super Senses, Combat Mobility, and others. There are currently no specific Class-based Tertiary Sets, or any other restrictions except for when a Tertiary can be selected by level, and the total number of Tertiary Sets. Yes we will have a limit on them for a couple of reasons.

There was a lot more about it discussed in that thread. You can find it [url=https://cityoftitans.com/comment/110731#comment-110731]here[/url].

Could have sworn they said secondary sets somewhere else but if we do get primaries as tertiaries then I wonder how many summons we can get in total once pet sets gets "fully" launched.

Mon, 04/16/2018 - 14:15

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Wolfgang8565 wrote:

Wolfgang8565 wrote:

but...blasters are supposed to be squishy!

My blapper says otherwise. I miss my namesake.

Mon, 04/16/2018 - 15:13

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blacke4dawn wrote:

blacke4dawn wrote:

Could have sworn they said secondary sets somewhere else but if we do get primaries as tertiaries then I wonder how many summons we can get in total once pet sets gets "fully" launched.

I believe a dev once mentioned that Summon and Control sets were not being made into Tertiaries.

Mon, 04/16/2018 - 15:31

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Interdictor wrote:

Interdictor wrote:

blacke4dawn wrote:

Could have sworn they said secondary sets somewhere else but if we do get primaries as tertiaries then I wonder how many summons we can get in total once pet sets gets "fully" launched.

I believe a dev once mentioned that Summon and Control sets were not being made into Tertiaries.

Summon, right. Control is getting a modified version for use as Secondary/Tertiary, called Manipulation.

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Mon, 04/16/2018 - 16:59

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Doctor Tyche wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:

Interdictor wrote:

blacke4dawn wrote:

Could have sworn they said secondary sets somewhere else but if we do get primaries as tertiaries then I wonder how many summons we can get in total once pet sets gets "fully" launched.

I believe a dev once mentioned that Summon and Control sets were not being made into Tertiaries.

Summon, right. Control is getting a modified version for use as Secondary/Tertiary, called [b]Manipulation[/b].

Oof. My Blaster heart aches.

Mon, 04/16/2018 - 17:01

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MeSoSollyWan wrote:

MeSoSollyWan wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:

Interdictor wrote:

blacke4dawn wrote:

Could have sworn they said secondary sets somewhere else but if we do get primaries as tertiaries then I wonder how many summons we can get in total once pet sets gets "fully" launched.

I believe a dev once mentioned that Summon and Control sets were not being made into Tertiaries.

Summon, right. Control is getting a modified version for use as Secondary/Tertiary, called [b]Manipulation[/b].

Oof. My Blaster heart aches.

You could still make a typical blaster with tertiaries

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Mon, 04/16/2018 - 17:37

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What Dr. Tyche meant was we

What Dr. Tyche meant was we are using the Manipulation Secondary Sets which carry control powers in them to make a version for Tertiary Sets to have Controls. This is instead of making a special version of a Control Primary into a Tertiary which would be an exception to our system of using only Secondary Sets into Tetiary versions.

As to the level, I know when it is, but I think we’re holding off on the leveling info for now.

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Mon, 04/16/2018 - 18:20

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I meant that as more of a

I meant that as more of a reminder to myself that "Hunter" (a Blaster with /Manipulation from Co*) won't be available at launch.

Mon, 04/16/2018 - 19:41

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Huckleberry wrote:

Huckleberry wrote:

This question was asked once before; by you, actually. This was the answer:

Tannim222 wrote:

Cyclops wrote:

That brings up a follow up question. At what level do we get out first Tertiary power choice?

I can't provide the specifics at this time, we have a couple of progression charts we need to analyze before one becomes final. But your first pick is "early" in the game.

Cyclops wrote:

Further, you mention Tertiary "sets."
Can we pick and choose powers? or do we pick a Set and choose from the powers offered in the set?

You select a particular set and must choose one of the starting powers of that set. These srarter powers are requirements in order to unlock later tiers of the set.

Cyclops wrote:

If I was building a Brute, and just wanted infravision could I do that? or would I be limited to the Brute sets?
PS, if we are on a set system, can I suggest that some Tertiary powers be ala carte just to spice up the game.

Tertiary sets are like power pools. Except over time, we will have more sets than thenold game had. Most of our Tertiary Sets are smaller, simplified versions of Primary Sets. There will be Super Senses, Combat Mobility, and others. There are currently no specific Class-based Tertiary Sets, or any other restrictions except for when a Tertiary can be selected by level, and the total number of Tertiary Sets. Yes we will have a limit on them for a couple of reasons.

There was a lot more about it discussed in that thread. You can find it [url=https://cityoftitans.com/comment/110731#comment-110731]here[/url].

Thank you. I reread that thread and the only answer was "early."
Wah. I'll just have to wait.

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Mon, 04/16/2018 - 20:43

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Tannim222 wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

What Dr. Tyche meant was we are using the Manipulation Secondary Sets which carry control powers in them to make a version for Tertiary Sets to have Controls. This is instead of making a special version of a Control Primary into a Tertiary which would be an exception to our system of using only Secondary Sets into Tetiary versions.

As to the level, I know when it is, but I think we’re holding off on the leveling info for now.

Is there a plan to alteast make some of the control sets into manipulation sets? Like I could see Spider-Man as a fighting prowess/ force striker, and I think it would be awesome for my vampiric/ Vampiric plague doctor themed villain to turn into a vampiric/power at some point.

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Mon, 04/16/2018 - 22:11

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notears wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

What Dr. Tyche meant was we are using the Manipulation Secondary Sets which carry control powers in them to make a version for Tertiary Sets to have Controls. This is instead of making a special version of a Control Primary into a Tertiary which would be an exception to our system of using only Secondary Sets into Tetiary versions.

As to the level, I know when it is, but I think we’re holding off on the leveling info for now.

Is there a plan to alteast make some of the control sets into manipulation sets? Like I could see Spider-Man as a fighting prowess/ force striker, and I think it would be awesome for my vampiric/ Vampiric plague doctor themed villain to turn into a vampiric/power at some point.

Not exactly converting a Control Set into a Secondary on a Power by tier to Power by tier copy. Many Basic Play Styles May share similar set mechanics, but expect differences in powers. Manipulations will be no different in that regard.

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Mon, 04/16/2018 - 22:30

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Doctor Tyche wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:

Interdictor wrote:

blacke4dawn wrote:

Could have sworn they said secondary sets somewhere else but if we do get primaries as tertiaries then I wonder how many summons we can get in total once pet sets gets "fully" launched.

I believe a dev once mentioned that Summon and Control sets were not being made into Tertiaries.

Summon, right. Control is getting a modified version for use as Secondary/Tertiary, called Manipulation.

Then it is closer to saying that Secondaries are made into tertiaries (which [url=https://cityoftitans.com/comment/144511#comment-144511]which Tannim confirms here[/url]) since they have the same basic "power profile/type" in their Manipulation sets (and assault is fully covered by ranged and melee tertiaries) and since you don't use the sets that are unique to the Primaries (in regard to their "power profile/type").

Mon, 04/16/2018 - 22:58

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Tannim222 wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

What Dr. Tyche meant was we are using the Manipulation Secondary Sets which carry control powers in them to make a version for Tertiary Sets to have Controls. This is instead of making a special version of a Control Primary into a Tertiary which would be an exception to our system of using only Secondary Sets into Tetiary versions.

As to the level, I know when it is, but I think we’re holding off on the leveling info for now.

Is there a plan to alteast make some of the control sets into manipulation sets? Like I could see Spider-Man as a fighting prowess/ force striker, and I think it would be awesome for my vampiric/ Vampiric plague doctor themed villain to turn into a vampiric/power at some point.

Not exactly converting a Control Set into a Secondary on a Power by tier to Power by tier copy. Many Basic Play Styles May share similar set mechanics, but expect differences in powers. Manipulations will be no different in that regard.

Well, I wasn't really expecting it be exact thing, I get that manipulation is a different set all together from control, but I'm asking if you would take some powers from say, force control, add in some powers from superstrenght for hunters and centurions, force blast for wardens and ringleaders and invulnerability for strikers, add in some self buffs and call this new frankenstien of a powerset "Force Manipulation". Could something like that ever happen?

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notears wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

What Dr. Tyche meant was we are using the Manipulation Secondary Sets which carry control powers in them to make a version for Tertiary Sets to have Controls. This is instead of making a special version of a Control Primary into a Tertiary which would be an exception to our system of using only Secondary Sets into Tetiary versions.

As to the level, I know when it is, but I think we’re holding off on the leveling info for now.

Is there a plan to alteast make some of the control sets into manipulation sets? Like I could see Spider-Man as a fighting prowess/ force striker, and I think it would be awesome for my vampiric/ Vampiric plague doctor themed villain to turn into a vampiric/power at some point.

Not exactly converting a Control Set into a Secondary on a Power by tier to Power by tier copy. Many Basic Play Styles May share similar set mechanics, but expect differences in powers. Manipulations will be no different in that regard.

Well, I wasn't really expecting it be exact thing, I get that manipulation is a different set all together from control, but I'm asking if you would take some powers from say, force control, add in some powers from superstrenght for hunters and centurions, force blast for wardens and ringleaders and invulnerability for strikers, add in some self buffs and call this new frankenstien of a powerset "Force Manipulation". Could something like that ever happen?

The offensive manipulation sets will be the same for all Secondary uses. The Manipulation Protection Sets would be different from the Offensive versions.

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Tannim222 wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

What Dr. Tyche meant was we are using the Manipulation Secondary Sets which carry control powers in them to make a version for Tertiary Sets to have Controls. This is instead of making a special version of a Control Primary into a Tertiary which would be an exception to our system of using only Secondary Sets into Tetiary versions.

As to the level, I know when it is, but I think we’re holding off on the leveling info for now.

Is there a plan to alteast make some of the control sets into manipulation sets? Like I could see Spider-Man as a fighting prowess/ force striker, and I think it would be awesome for my vampiric/ Vampiric plague doctor themed villain to turn into a vampiric/power at some point.

Not exactly converting a Control Set into a Secondary on a Power by tier to Power by tier copy. Many Basic Play Styles May share similar set mechanics, but expect differences in powers. Manipulations will be no different in that regard.

Well, I wasn't really expecting it be exact thing, I get that manipulation is a different set all together from control, but I'm asking if you would take some powers from say, force control, add in some powers from superstrenght for hunters and centurions, force blast for wardens and ringleaders and invulnerability for strikers, add in some self buffs and call this new frankenstien of a powerset "Force Manipulation". Could something like that ever happen?

The offensive manipulation sets will be the same for all Secondary uses. The Manipulation Protection Sets would be different from the Offensive versions.

Alright good to know, I guess really what I'm asking is, is there going to be a force offensive manipulation or a force defensive manipulation?

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notears wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

What Dr. Tyche meant was we are using the Manipulation Secondary Sets which carry control powers in them to make a version for Tertiary Sets to have Controls. This is instead of making a special version of a Control Primary into a Tertiary which would be an exception to our system of using only Secondary Sets into Tetiary versions.

As to the level, I know when it is, but I think we’re holding off on the leveling info for now.

Is there a plan to alteast make some of the control sets into manipulation sets? Like I could see Spider-Man as a fighting prowess/ force striker, and I think it would be awesome for my vampiric/ Vampiric plague doctor themed villain to turn into a vampiric/power at some point.

Not exactly converting a Control Set into a Secondary on a Power by tier to Power by tier copy. Many Basic Play Styles May share similar set mechanics, but expect differences in powers. Manipulations will be no different in that regard.

Well, I wasn't really expecting it be exact thing, I get that manipulation is a different set all together from control, but I'm asking if you would take some powers from say, force control, add in some powers from superstrenght for hunters and centurions, force blast for wardens and ringleaders and invulnerability for strikers, add in some self buffs and call this new frankenstien of a powerset "Force Manipulation". Could something like that ever happen?

The offensive manipulation sets will be the same for all Secondary uses. The Manipulation Protection Sets would be different from the Offensive versions.

Alright good to know, I guess really what I'm asking is, is there going to be a force offensive manipulation or a force defensive manipulation?

It is too early to tell. I have a lot of conceptual power sets on my white board.

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Tannim222 wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

notears wrote:

Tannim222 wrote:

What Dr. Tyche meant was we are using the Manipulation Secondary Sets which carry control powers in them to make a version for Tertiary Sets to have Controls. This is instead of making a special version of a Control Primary into a Tertiary which would be an exception to our system of using only Secondary Sets into Tetiary versions.

As to the level, I know when it is, but I think we’re holding off on the leveling info for now.

Is there a plan to alteast make some of the control sets into manipulation sets? Like I could see Spider-Man as a fighting prowess/ force striker, and I think it would be awesome for my vampiric/ Vampiric plague doctor themed villain to turn into a vampiric/power at some point.

Not exactly converting a Control Set into a Secondary on a Power by tier to Power by tier copy. Many Basic Play Styles May share similar set mechanics, but expect differences in powers. Manipulations will be no different in that regard.

Well, I wasn't really expecting it be exact thing, I get that manipulation is a different set all together from control, but I'm asking if you would take some powers from say, force control, add in some powers from superstrenght for hunters and centurions, force blast for wardens and ringleaders and invulnerability for strikers, add in some self buffs and call this new frankenstien of a powerset "Force Manipulation". Could something like that ever happen?

The offensive manipulation sets will be the same for all Secondary uses. The Manipulation Protection Sets would be different from the Offensive versions.

Alright good to know, I guess really what I'm asking is, is there going to be a force offensive manipulation or a force defensive manipulation?

It is too early to tell. I have a lot of conceptual power sets on my white board.

Alright, alright I'll stop pushing for information you can't give. Hopefully there's a debuff heavy offensive manipulation for my Plague Doctor hunter

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Manipulation and the Assault

Manipulation and the Assault are post-launch. I would imagine that the tertiary version will be introduced before the secondary, allowing us to better balance them.

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Doctor Tyche wrote:

Doctor Tyche wrote:

Manipulation and the Assault are post-launch. I would imagine that the tertiary version will be introduced before the secondary, allowing us to better balance them.

cool cool....

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