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A unique use for Mission Builder: Character trailers?

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A unique use for Mission Builder: Character trailers?

I just had this crazy Idea. I was reminiscing about my previous pokemon Nuzlocke challenge run, and the pokemon I had lost along the way, and remembering the silly moments in the run, when I remembered something neat about the X and Y games. There was a feature in which one could create a short little 10 second video about themselves, or one of their pokemon, or both! This got me thinking: What if City of Titans included this sort of feature as an attachment for the planned mission builder?

Numerous CoH folks made all sorts of videos using a clunky, psuedo editor, the name of which I cannot recall. However, what if the mission editor included an option to create cinematics within a mission, or to save a video in place of a bio? A hard set time limit cap, with the file stored either server-side, or user side and encrypted. Hell, the option to have a video-bio could even be a PAID option, and generate some extra revenue. From what I remember, the mission creator was also going to be released for player use before the full game was launched, some time after the character creator ((correct me if I'm mistaken there,)) so in the very least, coming up with an origin trailer could be another fun thing to do while waiting for the full game, and could draw out some extra positive media! There could even be a weekly, or monthly contest to be featured on the MWM youtube channel ((super maybe, but possible I guess?))

Obvious concerns: Inappropriate content ((blunted by a report button on the video panes, and/or a pay window to unlock the feature)) Copyright Claims on lookalike characters, and blatant backstory ripoffs. ((Again, report button for these things)) Possibly a significant bit of coding and memory use to get the "trailers" to play within the game properly, link into bios properly, and function in a desirable manner.

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Unfortunately, this sort of

Unfortunately, this sort of thing is going to run into the same problem as letting people upload their own chest symbols or billboards or whatever. It will have to be POLICED ... meaning reviewed prior to posting. That's because if it isn't, you've just opened the floodgates to spamming and trolling and rickrolling.

Best you can do for this sort of thing would be to facilitate referring Players to sites and videos outside of the game (ie. on Youtube) so as to outsource a lot of the review work, and even THEN you're still at the mercy of people maliciously directing Players to malware sites and so on.

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I completely agree with the

I completely agree with the concerns you brought up. Policing would almost NEED to happen, just as character name, and copyright claim policing happened frequently in CoH/V with the couple dozen "wolverines" a day. However, I do believe that putting this kind of feature behind a paywall would in the very least, bring the policing, and need for policing down to a minimum. It won't COMPLETELY stop any kind of inappropriate use of this kind of feature, but it would at least cut out a decent chunk of it. I do like the point you brought up about using a video hosting site such as youtube, but then there'd probably be some messy business work that would need to occur to allow CoT direct embedding of video files within their game ((if the ideal scenario of embedded profile trailers were realized that is.)

I suppose the better question is "Would the benefits of such a feature out-weigh the headaches it could carry with it?" Additionally, "Would the work involved improve the experience enough, or bring in enough money to be worth the time spent?"

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Stalker wrote:
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there'd probably be some messy business work that would need to occur to allow CoT direct embedding of video files within their game ((if the ideal scenario of embedded profile trailers were realized that is.)

Oh HELL NO! I was thinking more in line of someone coming to the Forums here and putting a Youtube link in their post about their UGC that they've published in game. No mixing into the game itself.


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As Redlynne mentioned the

As Redlynne mentioned the unfortunate issue with letting the players go wild with custom symbols or custom...well anything is while there will be a chunk of players that will make some very cool stuff there will be a huge amount of other immature idiots that will make any immature or offensive thing you can imagine.

One of the games I used to be a forum moderator for was APB: Reloaded. APB: Reloaded had one of the best customization systems I have ever seen outstide of the superhero MMO sub-genre and it was just simply a cops vs robbers MMO. You could customize symbols from scratch with all types of shapes in a humongous variety of different ways. The amount of customization possibilities in that game was damn near endless and it was quite clear that the vast amount of tools were intended so people can truly personalize there characters and come up with some really cool stuff.

Sadly it did not work out that way. While there was a few players who made some absolutely amazing outfits, symbols, and designs for there characters there was a huge amount of others who just spent time making porn images, crappy memes, and swastika signs out of it. I can't tell you how many idiots I had to shutdown and in some cases even ban off the forums for whining about there offensive custom stuff being stripped and removed by the devs. Costant rule breakers trying to justify why they had swastika symbols all over there character was very common. APB was not the only game that had this issue. Call of Duty custom callsigns, Mario Kart custom badges, and a few other online games had issues with this. It's sad really...

Custom videos would possibly have the same issue. You would have to either restrict the entire playerbase severely (which would piss off both the offenders and some of the players who would actually use it for good) or police it and have to constantly beat back offenders coming on the forums to throw temper tantrums.

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Bleddyn wrote:
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As Redlynne mentioned the unfortunate issue with letting the players go wild with custom symbols or custom...well anything is while there will be a chunk of players that will make some very cool stuff there will be a huge amount of other immature idiots that will make any immature or offensive thing you can imagine.
One of the games I used to be a forum moderator for was APB: Reloaded. APB: Reloaded had one of the best customization systems I have ever seen outstide of the superhero MMO sub-genre and it was just simply a cops vs robbers MMO. You could customize symbols from scratch with all types of shapes in a humongous variety of different ways. The amount of customization possibilities in that game was damn near endless and it was quite clear that the vast amount of tools were intended so people can truly personalize there characters and come up with some really cool stuff.
Sadly it did not work out that way. While there was a few players who made some absolutely amazing outfits, symbols, and designs for there characters there was a huge amount of others who just spent time making porn images, crappy memes, and swastika signs out of it. I can't tell you how many idiots I had to shutdown and in some cases even ban off the forums for whining about there offensive custom stuff being stripped and removed by the devs. Costant rule breakers trying to justify why they had swastika symbols all over there character was very common. APB was not the only game that had this issue. Call of Duty custom callsigns, Mario Kart custom badges, and a few other online games had issues with this. It's sad really...
Custom videos would possibly have the same issue. You would have to either restrict the entire playerbase severely (which would piss off both the offenders and some of the players who would actually use it for good) or police it and have to constantly beat back offenders coming on the forums to throw temper tantrums.

This reminds me of why CCP have to approve all Alliance logos into the game.

They *want* to do Custom corp logos as well, and make it relatively "automated". But there is a problem. And they call it TTD.

Time To Dick.

How long will it be before someone makes a dick with the tools. Something that would be free for *everyone* to see.

For corp logos, this is a problem (and alliance) because you can easily, without being PART of the corp or alliance, see what it actually is, both in game and out of game.

And yes, I know that people have made dicks and messages in Eve space using secure cargo containers so that the on screen marker for them shows the dick.

Of course, it takes a LOT of time to do something like this, but when you can get a load of players in one place, from a wide range of corporations and alliances, some of which were *at war* ingame with each other to set cyno's up in a message for a fallen player, using pretty much the same mechanic...

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So the general consensus

So the general consensus seems to be "no integrated videos cuz jerks." Sad. It's probably true though. I would have imagined pay walls and the like would limit it, but I do recall All points bulletin having some pretty racy things running around. I actually remember distinctly being jumped be several men in... Interesting attire with... unusual decals on their van.

Would an offline cutscene maker, which cannot be shared, but can be watched by the creator from saved files ((And therefore screen captured for use on sites such as youtube)) make the idea viable? Is it even worth putting any extra effort into a player specific scene editor? At that point, Unless the developer tool for creating mission cutscenes could simply be released as a separate entity, I can no longer see merit in putting much effort into the idea.

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IMHO "No integrated video

IMHO "No integrated video because devs spread too thin" is still the more important issue than "No integrated video because jerks," but the latter is guaranteed to be a problem even if the former is resolved.

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Gangrel wrote:
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Bleddyn wrote:
As Redlynne mentioned the unfortunate issue with letting the players go wild with custom symbols or custom...well anything is while there will be a chunk of players that will make some very cool stuff there will be a huge amount of other immature idiots that will make any immature or offensive thing you can imagine.
One of the games I used to be a forum moderator for was APB: Reloaded. APB: Reloaded had one of the best customization systems I have ever seen outstide of the superhero MMO sub-genre and it was just simply a cops vs robbers MMO. You could customize symbols from scratch with all types of shapes in a humongous variety of different ways. The amount of customization possibilities in that game was damn near endless and it was quite clear that the vast amount of tools were intended so people can truly personalize there characters and come up with some really cool stuff.
Sadly it did not work out that way. While there was a few players who made some absolutely amazing outfits, symbols, and designs for there characters there was a huge amount of others who just spent time making porn images, crappy memes, and swastika signs out of it. I can't tell you how many idiots I had to shutdown and in some cases even ban off the forums for whining about there offensive custom stuff being stripped and removed by the devs. Costant rule breakers trying to justify why they had swastika symbols all over there character was very common. APB was not the only game that had this issue. Call of Duty custom callsigns, Mario Kart custom badges, and a few other online games had issues with this. It's sad really...
Custom videos would possibly have the same issue. You would have to either restrict the entire playerbase severely (which would piss off both the offenders and some of the players who would actually use it for good) or police it and have to constantly beat back offenders coming on the forums to throw temper tantrums.

This reminds me of why CCP have to approve all Alliance logos into the game.
They *want* to do Custom corp logos as well, and make it relatively "automated". But there is a problem. And they call it TTD.
Time To Dick.
How long will it be before someone makes a dick with the tools. Something that would be free for *everyone* to see.
For corp logos, this is a problem (and alliance) because you can easily, without being PART of the corp or alliance, see what it actually is, both in game and out of game.
And yes, I know that people have made dicks and messages in Eve space using secure cargo containers so that the on screen marker for them shows the dick.
Of course, it takes a LOT of time to do something like this, but when you can get a load of players in one place, from a wide range of corporations and alliances, some of which were *at war* ingame with each other to set cyno's up in a message for a fallen player, using pretty much the same mechanic...
Its touching

That's a rare sight of positive community dedication for me to see in other MMOs. I recall something similar to that happening in CoH at one point and in WoW back when it was Vanilla/BC times.

Damn I wish I could see more of positive side of the custom work stuff. I feel bad for the good artists or designers out there for certain things that have to deal with Sturgeon's Law (10% of the artwork/design stuff is good. 90% is crappy for one reason or another). Those people are whom I love to see there end products of there work.

I could be wrong for all I know Stalker. CoH/V and this community by extension is a lot more mature then most MMO communities. I will point out that 2 of my examples of the custom abuse/waste are from two known awful communities (FPS and TPS games usually have that issue). MWM might be able to risk it and we'll see hordes of more medicore videos too a good chunk of great video which wouldn't be too bad.

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Not speaking with any

Not speaking with any authority here, just speculation, but the "policing" could, in part, be done by tying one-time fees in Stars to the ability to produce/publish content that we'd like to automate but for which we worry about "TTD." Keep it relatively small - it's not honestly meant as a money-maker - but enough that anybody engaged in it is bleeding real-world money (or spending a LOT of effort in-game to get Stars from the market). And anything removed as inappropriate content...well, they spent money for a short-lived prank.

Obviously, if somebody is a chronic abuser, their whole account can be terminated without refund.

Essentially, standards of behavior are enforced by active policing supported by a "report" function combined with the fact that there's a real cost associated with the content being removed. Those who engage in such malicious behavior thus are actually out something real when caught. Consequences associated with actions.

Heck, after a warning, their account may require a higher fee to publish things in the future, escalating the more they violate terms (at least until their account is banned).

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Segev, you're talking about

Segev, you're talking about "reactive" policing as opposed to prevention.


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True. It's hard to prevent

True. It's hard to prevent outright without active approval processes being required. Which are expensive, at least until we develop artificial intelligences able to evaluate images as well as humans can.

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I am really having a hard

I am really having a hard time seeing the issue with the OP's suggestion in regards to cut scenes in player created missions. Not sure about character Bio's...(more due to the data transfer issues)

Sure there will be people who are jerks but those same people will be able to be offensive in mission descriptions, character bios and general chat as well. As far as I know MwM is not planning to subject any of those to pre-approval (beyond the standard keyword flags). Most policing in an MMO is reactive as opposed to preventative so as to not overwhelm the devs or stifle creativity.

Cut scene creator for player made missions seems like a nice feature (as long as they can be skipped). I would hope that MwM has plans for some kind of ingame recording for the machinima crowd (even if not at release) and this could be tied to it nicely.

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hehe..Google Image Search of

hehe..Google Image Search of PCs to see if it looks CLOSE to any MARVEL, DC, or other copyright characters? ;D
Or image search of user submited JPG's/PNG's to see if text results include PORN anywhere? ;D

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Izzy wrote:
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hehe..Google Image Search of PCs to see if it looks CLOSE to any MARVEL, DC, or other copyright characters? ;D
Or image search of user submited JPG's/PNG's to see if text results include PORN anywhere? ;D

False positives will be a problem.

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Lin Chiao Feng wrote:
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Izzy wrote:
hehe..Google Image Search of PCs to see if it looks CLOSE to any MARVEL, DC, or other copyright characters? ;D
Or image search of user submited JPG's/PNG's to see if text results include PORN anywhere? ;D

False positives will be a problem.

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