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I don't think I've ever seen the forums this quiet. I thought there'd be more buzz with the AB dropping.

*poke, poke, nudge*

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Dark Cleric wrote:
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I don't think I've ever seen the forums this quiet. I thought there'd be more buzz with the AB dropping.

*poke, poke, nudge*

Yeah I've been wondering the same for a while now. Even during the last several years prior to the AB's release this forum had (I would guesstimate) a dozen or so long-time lurkers that collectively posted here almost daily. I personally missed out on a huge chunk of last year because this site is still blacklisted by the DoD, but that only explains my periodic absence not anyone else's.

The lack of significant AB updates for the last six months certainly explains much of the current inactivity. But I think another factor was the launch of the CoT Discord page. It seems that there's now maybe a dozen or so regular posters over there now. Either way it's rather disheartening that once we finally got some kind of "deliverable" from MWM that it paradoxically marked a sort of "heat death" of this webpage. Obviously the day MWM ever manages to provide an update to the AB I'd expect this site to get busy again but your guess as to when that's going to happen is as good as mine.

Frankly I really think we're long past the point where we ought be getting AB updates (no matter how trivial) at least once a month if not more frequently. The good folks at MWM can really only keep saying "we're on the verge of showing you big things" so many decades in a row before people are going to start to think otherwise...

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I was only talking about fan

I was only talking about fan posts really. Updates are a can I've opened that won't help opening again lol I check the Discord every now and again but even there it seems like 90% of conversations aren't about CoT and those that are revolve around Artstrong's videos, which seem to have taken over as CoT's updates. I figured since he does those weekly CoT doesn't feel the need to do any themselves.

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I was only talking about fan posts really. Updates are a can I've opened that won't help opening again lol

I think those things are more directly related now that the AB has been released and is no longer a totally abstract concept in the minds of posters. Perhaps without regular updates from MWM there's little left to "speculate" about. *shrugs*

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I check the Discord every now and again but even there it seems like 90% of conversations aren't about CoT and those that are revolve around Artstrong's videos, which seem to have taken over as CoT's updates. I figured since he does those weekly CoT doesn't feel the need to do any themselves.

Truth be told many of the things we discussed on this forum over the years were only "vaguely" related to CoT as well.

Another factor that's worth mentioning is the existence of CoH as something that can actually be played again. To be fair the entire point of CoT hinged on it being the thing we'll eventually be able to play because supposedly CoH was 100% dead and buried. Now that CoH is not quite as dead as we originally thought people no longer have to be exceptionally concerned whether CoT succeeds or not. I know that's a bit harsh but again it's probably worth accepting at this point.

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MWM has said they're waiting

MWM has said they're waiting on an Unreal Patch that has held them up from dropping any new updates. Apparently they've had an update ready to give to us for awhile now, but can't. And without any new updates there isn't a whole lot to discuss based on the game. Casual banter has moved to Discord. The forums wont be dead forever.

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Cooltastic wrote:
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MWM has said they're waiting on an Unreal Patch that has held them up from dropping any new updates. Apparently they've had an update ready to give to us for awhile now, but can't. And without any new updates there isn't a whole lot to discuss based on the game. Casual banter has moved to Discord. The forums wont be dead forever.

There's always going to be "reasons" why MWM can't provide periodic updates even if those reasons are completely legitimate and explainable. And as I said I'm sure this forum will liven up whenever new updates do finally happen.

The point was that for the better part of 5 or 6 years this forum had managed to limp along with at least a handful of regular posters regardless of updates. Sadly (and again paradoxically) it would seem that's no longer the case. I'd hate to think that people are only going to end up posting to this forum for a week or two at a time after an update and leave it essentially lifeless the rest of the time.

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Cooltastic wrote:
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MWM has said they're waiting on an Unreal Patch that has held them up from dropping any new updates. Apparently they've had an update ready to give to us for awhile now, but can't. And without any new updates there isn't a whole lot to discuss based on the game. Casual banter has moved to Discord. The forums wont be dead forever.

Sounds like something that should be in the banner. But lets not run around the communication topic again. But I find it VERY hard to believe they can't post a single update without this Unreal patch. I don't know how many times I've seen devs say they've sent in updates and have no idea when the team that controls udpates is going to share it...so they have updates to spare if they are to be believed.

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I'm willing to accept that

I'm willing to accept that the release/update plans of companies like MWM and Unreal have likely been disrupted over the last couple of months due to the Coronavirus. But to be fair that -only- explains the last couple of months...

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Another factor is of course

Another factor is of course the em....world events. Many of our lives have gotten more chaotic in the last months.


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Another factor is of course the em....world events. Many of our lives have gotten more chaotic in the last months.

This is a big part of things- and we're actually working on an update to address it. Something with a little content, even.

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have no idea when the team that controls udpates is going to share it...so they have updates to spare if they are to be believed.

This doesn't make sense to me. There's no "backlog of updates" somewhere. Either we have something or we don't.

Also, I'll add that there's only so many times, and so many ways we can say "Yeah, the devs are still working."
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I've seen multiple devs over

I've seen multiple devs over the years say they've sent in an update, or multiple, to whichever team controls updates but they don't know when they'll actually be shared, gives the impression they are out there. But I digress; OP wasn't about updates.

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Fair.

Fair.

Could just be the situation in the world has people distracted.

Edit: I'll add, Twitter has actually been fairly steady with comments.

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Dark Cleric wrote:
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I've seen multiple devs over the years say they've sent in an update, or multiple, to whichever team controls updates but they don't know when they'll actually be shared, gives the impression they are out there. But I digress; OP wasn't about updates.

I know every update I have submitted as been posted. I have ideas for others, but they are better suited for...later. I may have one more update in the near future, but can't promise that either. It depends on moving parts in development and how much time I have to devote toward certain parts as others will take priority.


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I am still around!

I am still around!

I’m a responder, not a topic starter, so I just check in now and then. I haven’t posted much because I’d feel like I’m talking to myself.

Maybe I should post something controversial just to liven things up. (Naw, I don’t do that kind of thing, I’m a blaster or tank, not a ‘troller...)

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'Troll here!

'Troll here!

Well at least PB was. A damn fun one too.

I don't think there is one single reason that has slowed the forums down.
1) discord is far more popular nowadays than forums are. Its the new tech!
2) Pandemic
3) COX is online again
4)(controversial) the AB is kinda underwhelming. I think that is because the game attached is non-existent. I think a lot of what made the AB in COX so fun is the anticipation. You would spend hours carefully crafting a character with the anticipation of all the things you could do with that character. The AB at the moment is just a tool with no purpose. Like having a light bulb in kansas and 1882. Cool to have and see, but edison has only just deployed the first power grid in new york...So after awhile you aren't too impressed seeing the unlit light bulb.
5) We all got old. Assuming most of us played COX in our teens then it's been 16 years since we started playing for some of us. and 8 years since we stopped playing. That's a long time. Sh!t happens in 8-16 years. I was a confused kid when I started playing and now I own a house and a car and have to clean my own toilets. Toilets, plural! I'm one man and have to clean 3 flipping toilets. And I was about to start into a rant about affordable housing! My biggest concerns when I started playing was whether or not Paige in science liked me or how poorly I was doing in math class. The answer to those questions was "No" and "Very." The point is, if I ever had a point, was that we have much more complicated lives and have other things that consume our time. Although recently I have much more time on my hands since I'm only working full time every 3rd week, see reason 2.

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Atama wrote:
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I am still around!

I’m a responder, not a topic starter, so I just check in now and then. I haven’t posted much because I’d feel like I’m talking to myself.

Maybe I should post something controversial just to liven things up. (Naw, I don’t do that kind of thing, I’m a blaster or tank, not a ‘troller...)

You don't really need to be a "topic starter" to be controversial around here. Look at me... in roughly 6.5 years I've probably only started maybe 5 or 6 threads, and most of those were about TV shows that looked interesting to me so those threads ended up being completely benign, trivial and totally forgotten. ;)

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5) We all got old. Assuming most of us played COX in our teens then it's been 16 years since we started playing for some of us. and 8 years since we stopped playing. That's a long time. Sh!t happens in 8-16 years. I was a confused kid when I started playing and now I own a house and a car and have to clean my own toilets. Toilets, plural! I'm one man and have to clean 3 flipping toilets. And I was about to start into a rant about affordable housing! My biggest concerns when I started playing was whether or not Paige in science liked me or how poorly I was doing in math class. The answer to those questions was "No" and "Very." The point is, if I ever had a point, was that we have much more complicated lives and have other things that consume our time. Although recently I have much more time on my hands since I'm only working full time every 3rd week, see reason 2.

Heh, speak for yourself. I was already old when CoH launched - I was 33 back in April 2004 so you can do the math if you want.

Considering my age I've actually found myself wondering whether CoT is going to launch before I die. Thankfully I'm currently in relatively good health and I hope of course that I have at least a few more decades ahead of me but it's certainly not unheard of to see a 50 year old drop dead suddenly for no apparent reason. Let's just say statistically speaking it's not impossible that I could be dead before CoT launches so you'll excuse me if I sometimes rant at the MWM folks about picking up the pace a bit. ;)

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1) discord is far more popular nowadays than forums are. Its the new tech!

Forums aren't what they used to be, honestly. I remember seeing the decline back when the Original Game was still alive, and it's been a number of years since then. I'm over on the Discord too and still rarely chat in there as well, mostly when it comes to new people joining the server.

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Cobalt Azurean wrote:
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1) discord is far more popular nowadays than forums are. Its the new tech!

Forums aren't what they used to be, honestly. I remember seeing the decline back when the Original Game was still alive, and it's been a number of years since then. I'm over on the Discord too and still rarely chat in there as well, mostly when it comes to new people joining the server.

Yeah but even the CoT Discord only has about a dozen regulars at this point. You can't blame the overall apparent "lack of interest" in CoT on the fact that people like to use "fancy new" Discord more than "old-school" forums.

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Given item 2 on my list, I

Given item 2 on my list, I might be dead before the game launches too. Got dark, got real dark. But that's normal. Totally normal. It's after 9pm local time.

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Lothic wrote:
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I am still around!

I’m a responder, not a topic starter, so I just check in now and then. I haven’t posted much because I’d feel like I’m talking to myself.

Maybe I should post something controversial just to liven things up. (Naw, I don’t do that kind of thing, I’m a blaster or tank, not a ‘troller...)

You don't really need to be a "topic starter" to be controversial around here. Look at me... in roughly 6.5 years I've probably only started maybe 5 or 6 threads, and most of those were about TV shows that looked interesting to me so those threads ended up being completely benign, trivial and totally forgotten. ;)

Yeah but Lothic you’re special.

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Atama wrote:
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Lothic wrote:
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I am still around!

I’m a responder, not a topic starter, so I just check in now and then. I haven’t posted much because I’d feel like I’m talking to myself.

Maybe I should post something controversial just to liven things up. (Naw, I don’t do that kind of thing, I’m a blaster or tank, not a ‘troller...)

You don't really need to be a "topic starter" to be controversial around here. Look at me... in roughly 6.5 years I've probably only started maybe 5 or 6 threads, and most of those were about TV shows that looked interesting to me so those threads ended up being completely benign, trivial and totally forgotten. ;)

Yeah but Lothic you’re special.

I'm flattered... I believe that's one of the nicest left-handed compliments I've ever received. ;)

Don't worry, I honestly do think it's funny how apoplectic some people can get over the most silly of things. As Mark Twain wisely said, "Never regret anything that made you smile."

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Just an update from one that never really posts. I have been hit hard by covid my brother got it , but recovered. Then his wife got it and passed away, but I am still working on combat. Just know we are still working but RL has been hard for some if not all of us.

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Just an update from one that never really posts. I have been hit hard by covid my brother got it , but recovered. Then his wife got it and passed away, but I am still working on combat. Just know we are still working but RL has been hard for some if not all of us.

I have already mentioned in this thread that it's very likely the Covid-19 virus has and will affect the folks at MWM just as much as everyone else and the fact that we haven't gotten any CoT software updates in the last couple of months is completely understandable just based on that reason alone. Your post pretty much proves that point. No one in their right mind could reasonably be upset at MWM about being affected by a global pandemic that's beyond anyone's control.

Also for what it's worth I'm sorry to hear about your family's personal Covid story and can only wish the best for you and yours in the coming days.

All that said Covid-19 has only been a negative factor in MWM's progress for the last couple of months at most. I realize saying that may seem harsh given the circumstances, but it is the truth. No one's upset you haven't updated CoT in the last couple of months; we're simply frustrated we've only gotten a single bare-bones alpha version of the AB in the 6.5 years preceding the onset of Covid-19.

P.S. Getting back to the original topic of this thread none of this explains why this forum is semi-dead. If anything with many people being stuck at home due to Covid-19 one might assume the traffic on this site would be greater than usual, not less.

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Lothic wrote:
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1) discord is far more popular nowadays than forums are. Its the new tech!

Forums aren't what they used to be, honestly. I remember seeing the decline back when the Original Game was still alive, and it's been a number of years since then. I'm over on the Discord too and still rarely chat in there as well, mostly when it comes to new people joining the server.

Yeah but even the CoT Discord only has about a dozen regulars at this point. You can't blame the overall apparent "lack of interest" in CoT on the fact that people like to use "fancy new" Discord more than "old-school" forums.

I'm not going to bother getting into a semantic argument about confirmation bias on the conclusion that "lack of activity" directly equates to "lack of interest", but I will say the fact that new people are showing up on the fancy new Discord server on a semi-regular basis asking when the game is going to launch is directly indicative of interest.

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Just an update from one that never really posts. I have been hit hard by covid my brother got it , but recovered. Then his wife got it and passed away, but I am still working on combat. Just know we are still working but RL has been hard for some if not all of us.

I am very sorry to hear of your loss. Please do all you can to take care of family in these tough times, as much as is permitted.

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Cobalt Azurean wrote:
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I'm not going to bother getting into a semantic argument about confirmation bias on the conclusion that "lack of activity" directly equates to "lack of interest", but I will say the fact that new people are showing up on the fancy new Discord server on a semi-regular basis asking when the game is going to launch is directly indicative of interest.

Nothing you've said here provides any useful insight into the topic at hand which was why there has been a marked drop in posting HERE since the AB was released.

In the last few months in particular I (and I assume others like Dark Cleric) have seen this forum go multiple days without a single new post. That's something I have never really seen since this forum was started years ago and it's not a good sign if you actually care about the future of this game.

The fact that the dozen (give or take) regulars on this forum seem to have been effectively replaced by a -new- set of a dozen or so regulars on Discord is not a net improvement for gauging the "general interest" in the game.

Just to be clear (since the ultimate point seems to elude you) it's not exactly a good predictor of things for there to ONLY be a handful of regulars regardless if they are here, Discord, Facebook or elsewhere. One would have hoped that the release of the AB last year would have sparked a permanent net gain of new regular posters overall. Instead that much-awaited event seems to have turned the collective CoT sites into ghost towns.

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Lothic wrote:
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I'm not going to bother getting into a semantic argument about confirmation bias on the conclusion that "lack of activity" directly equates to "lack of interest", but I will say the fact that new people are showing up on the fancy new Discord server on a semi-regular basis asking when the game is going to launch is directly indicative of interest.

Nothing you've said here provides any useful insight into the topic at hand which was why there has been a marked drop in posting HERE since the AB was released.

In the last few months in particular I (and I assume others like Dark Cleric) have seen this forum go multiple days without a single new post. That's something I have never really seen since this forum was started years ago and it's not a good sign if you actually care about the future of this game.

The fact that the dozen (give or take) regulars on this forum seem to have been effectively replaced by a -new- set of a dozen or so regulars on Discord is not a net improvement for gauging the "general interest" in the game.

Just to be clear (since the ultimate point seems to elude you) it's not exactly a good predictor of things for there to ONLY be a handful of regulars regardless if they are here, Discord, Facebook or elsewhere. One would have hoped that the release of the AB last year would have sparked a permanent net gain of new regular posters overall. Instead that much-awaited event seems to have turned the collective CoT sites into ghost towns.

Another thing to consider... For a lot of people, an avatar builder is simply uninteresting. Even I fall into that camp- I've never spent a ton of time in character creators before jumping into the game. Many people feel similar, and are waiting on more.

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Lothic wrote:
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I'm not going to bother getting into a semantic argument about confirmation bias on the conclusion that "lack of activity" directly equates to "lack of interest", but I will say the fact that new people are showing up on the fancy new Discord server on a semi-regular basis asking when the game is going to launch is directly indicative of interest.

Nothing you've said here provides any useful insight into the topic at hand which was why there has been a marked drop in posting HERE since the AB was released.

In the last few months in particular I (and I assume others like Dark Cleric) have seen this forum go multiple days without a single new post. That's something I have never really seen since this forum was started years ago and it's not a good sign if you actually care about the future of this game.

The fact that the dozen (give or take) regulars on this forum seem to have been effectively replaced by a -new- set of a dozen or so regulars on Discord is not a net improvement for gauging the "general interest" in the game.

Just to be clear (since the ultimate point seems to elude you) it's not exactly a good predictor of things for there to ONLY be a handful of regulars regardless if they are here, Discord, Facebook or elsewhere. One would have hoped that the release of the AB last year would have sparked a permanent net gain of new regular posters overall. Instead that much-awaited event seems to have turned the collective CoT sites into ghost towns.

To be fair, nothing you've stated has provided useful insight that the forums being less active is directly related to lack of interest. Correlation is not causation.

Yes, the forums aren't as active. We get it. But my disagreeing with your hyperbolic conclusion doesn't necessitate that I don't care about the game. I just don't go in for alarmist behavior and fear-mongering without due cause. And inferring that I don't care isn't called for and insulting.

And its not a direct a replacement, its a slow influx of new faces. Which would be, again, indicative of new people finding out about the game and joining the Discord server to inquire as to the status. Do they stick around? I honestly have no idea but at least they're asking.

On this point that it doesn't bode well, I actually agree with you, despite your thinly-veiled insult of my failing to grasp whatever obtuse connection you're trying to make. It doesn't bode well if whatever conclusion you're trying to derive is true. But, for me, the jury is still out and I actually don't care enough about arguing the finer points of minutiae ad nauseam with you.

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Yes, the forums aren't as active. We get it. But my disagreeing with your hyperbolic conclusion doesn't necessitate that I don't care about the game. I just don't go in for alarmist behavior and fear-mongering without due cause. And inferring that I don't care isn't called for and insulting.

I like how you infer that Lothic 'goes in for' alarmist behavior and fear-mongering without due cause...and then literally the next sentence say you're insulted that he would infer something. lol

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I knew I could count on

I knew I could count on Lothic for some good old-fashioned controversy!

(I kid, Lothic I’m a fan and usually agree with you on most things.)

I’m not a Discord person. I mean, I’m on it, I’ve interacted with people using it. I just can’t stand it. I think I’ve used this analogy on another MMO-in-development board that temporarily shut down their forums and was only communicating through Discord (that was a cluster for sure)...

But a discussion forum is like a very neatly organized set of letters collected and structured in such a way that you can easily search them, quote them, follow them, sort them, and so on.

Discord is like walking into a crowded junior high school cafeteria at lunch time and trying to shout over the people sitting next to you. It’s barely organized chaos that is nearly impossible to follow and completely impossible to collate and categorize. It’s fine for casual socializing between friends but absolutely cannot come even close to replacing what a discussion forum does.

The quiet on the boards is eerie and potentially problematic if it continues. You can’t simply say that people are on Discord instead. They aren’t used for the same things. It’s like saying it’s okay that the refrigerator is broken because the stove still works. They are tangentially related but aren’t equivalents.

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Another thing to consider... For a lot of people, an avatar builder is simply uninteresting. Even I fall into that camp- I've never spent a ton of time in character creators before jumping into the game. Many people feel similar, and are waiting on more.

As I said earlier on this thread I fully expect all of CoT related sites to "perk up" once the next substantive updates arrive. It's only natural that more people will return when there's something new to talk about. I just find it unfortunate that these sites have paradoxically become generally LESS populated overall since the AB was first released.

I hate to say it but I suspect there was a segment of the community that might have been hanging around long enough to finally see the first release of the AB and when that wonderful event finally happened they decided it sucked and essentially gave up on CoT right then and there. I suppose statistically speaking that was bound to happen to some degree, but it would appear that "reaction" was stronger than could have been hoped for.

I think it's funny there are people who are insulting me on this thread by labeling me an "alarmist" about this. Between the obvious reduction in traffic on these websites paired with the "relaunch" of CoH last year I truly think it would be stupid for MWM not to be concerned about this situation. Even if we accept what you're saying that "people aren't posting anymore because the AB is boring" MWM is not doing themselves any favors by waiting well over six months without even the most trivial of updates to the AB.

P.S. Yes, yes we can cut MWM some slack for current world events (i.e. the COVID-19 pandemic) but that doesn't explain all the months and years prior to that.

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To be fair, nothing you've stated has provided useful insight that the forums being less active is directly related to lack of interest. Correlation is not causation.

Evidence and observation are all we have to work with here. If you don't like mine you're free to hand-wave whatever you'd like.

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Yes, the forums aren't as active. We get it. But my disagreeing with your hyperbolic conclusion doesn't necessitate that I don't care about the game. I just don't go in for alarmist behavior and fear-mongering without due cause. And inferring that I don't care isn't called for and insulting.

I honestly don't care if you care about CoT or not. You're the only one actively putting yourself in the position of "taking offense" against my position here. At best I'm providing constructive criticism to the folks at MWM - not really sure why that's upsetting YOU so much or why you're even bothering to respond to this. Remember I never personally "called you out" in this thread in the first place. *shrugs*

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On this point that it doesn't bode well, I actually agree with you, despite your thinly-veiled insult of my failing to grasp whatever obtuse connection you're trying to make. It doesn't bode well if whatever conclusion you're trying to derive is true. But, for me, the jury is still out and I actually don't care enough about arguing the finer points of minutiae ad nauseam with you.

At least you finally seem to agree there is -some- cause for concern here. I have no crystal ball so perhaps what's being discussed here will have a collective happy ending after all. But if I'm being "alarmist" why do you feel the panicky/reactionary need to silence my position on the matter?

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For me, this quiet time means I'm working overtime on building Titan City environments. I fortunately have a paycheck coming in and lots more free time now because I can work on my day job from home. So, while many of us are struggling with new challenges, I'm fortunate enough to have more free time to dive into building Old Bradford. Lots of very exciting work getting done there. We finished all the moguls there a while ago, so now I'm cranking out landmarks and the environments there. Not ready to show for a bit, but lots of exciting work getting done...

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Same here. I've been getting

Same here. I've been getting more stuff done on the game lately, but so much of it is actually really boring wok on spreadsheets, formulas, checking on how it will be coded, etc. A lot of this work is all "behind the scenes" and "boring". It would make for a poor update or an easily overlooked sentence or two in a much larger one at best. Some of the things I'm working on I might be able to get a write up on. As I said earlier, it depends on time, how much I get done, and how busy I get with some other parts of combat that will eventually lead up to bigger updates. For those, however, I'd prefer video updates.


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I knew I could count on Lothic for some good old-fashioned controversy!

(I kid, Lothic I’m a fan and usually agree with you on most things.)

I’m not a Discord person. I mean, I’m on it, I’ve interacted with people using it. I just can’t stand it. I think I’ve used this analogy on another MMO-in-development board that temporarily shut down their forums and was only communicating through Discord (that was a cluster for sure)...

But a discussion forum is like a very neatly organized set of letters collected and structured in such a way that you can easily search them, quote them, follow them, sort them, and so on.

Discord is like walking into a crowded junior high school cafeteria at lunch time and trying to shout over the people sitting next to you. It’s barely organized chaos that is nearly impossible to follow and completely impossible to collate and categorize. It’s fine for casual socializing between friends but absolutely cannot come even close to replacing what a discussion forum does.

The quiet on the boards is eerie and potentially problematic if it continues. You can’t simply say that people are on Discord instead. They aren’t used for the same things. It’s like saying it’s okay that the refrigerator is broken because the stove still works. They are tangentially related but aren’t equivalents.

You can actually search on Discord, even within the various categories. Important messages are pinned just as in a forum.

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Atama wrote:
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But a discussion forum is like a very neatly organized set of letters collected and structured in such a way that you can easily search them, quote them, follow them, sort them, and so on.

Discord is like walking into a crowded junior high school cafeteria at lunch time and trying to shout over the people sitting next to you. It’s barely organized chaos that is nearly impossible to follow and completely impossible to collate and categorize. It’s fine for casual socializing between friends but absolutely cannot come even close to replacing what a discussion forum does.

The quiet on the boards is eerie and potentially problematic if it continues. You can’t simply say that people are on Discord instead. They aren’t used for the same things. It’s like saying it’s okay that the refrigerator is broken because the stove still works. They are tangentially related but aren’t equivalents.

Good analogy, this is why I try to direction costume suggestions and other longer term stuff from the Discord to these forums.


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Ya know, if we REALLY want to

Ya know, if we REALLY want to get things hopping...we could necro the physics thread. (looks all innocent)

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warlocc wrote:
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I’m not a Discord person. I mean, I’m on it, I’ve interacted with people using it. I just can’t stand it. I think I’ve used this analogy on another MMO-in-development board that temporarily shut down their forums and was only communicating through Discord (that was a cluster for sure)...

But a discussion forum is like a very neatly organized set of letters collected and structured in such a way that you can easily search them, quote them, follow them, sort them, and so on.

Discord is like walking into a crowded junior high school cafeteria at lunch time and trying to shout over the people sitting next to you. It’s barely organized chaos that is nearly impossible to follow and completely impossible to collate and categorize. It’s fine for casual socializing between friends but absolutely cannot come even close to replacing what a discussion forum does.

You can actually search on Discord, even within the various categories. Important messages are pinned just as in a forum.

Discord is only a mess if server owners make it that way.

I don't outright "hate" using Discord but I tend to dislike it for many of the reasons Atama mentioned. I suppose it boils down to what you get used to using and it might even be a sort of "generational" thing. To me (as a relatively old coot) Discord seems like something designed for and meant to be enjoyed by Millennials which effectively pigeonholes the entire thing for me.

P.S. And get off my lawn... ;)

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Ya know, if we REALLY want to get things hopping...we could necro the physics thread. (looks all innocent)

I was very careful to not say the J-word earlier in this thread.

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Millennial here. I don't use

Millennial here. I don't use Discord. Many do, but I grew up with forums and, until the last few years, that has been my primary means of interacting with the internet. I feel like Zoom and discord is something that is more popular for the post-millennial generation. I'll be happy for the day when genX stops calling teens, millennials. And also when post-millennials stop calling GenX, boomers.

For clarity: This is a breakdown that I agree with. The first one I found added in some silly split generations that I had never heard of. https://www.kasasa.com/articles/generations/gen-x-gen-y-gen-z

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Ya know, if we REALLY want to get things hopping...we could necro the physics thread. (looks all innocent)

*sprays with hose* :p


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I reject categorization and

I reject categorization and labels - which is So Typical of people like me!

I got dragged into Zoom by my nephews. They are not even teenagers, yet! I still don't own a 'smart' phone. I have never taken a 'selfie', although I did take a photo last year, of my Halloween costume - in the mirror. I am not of any particular 'Generation', although I was born in the 60s. Lots of crap has happened since then and I'm not responsible for any of it!

Forums, Email, and IM, on a Desktop, are the extent of the 'social' media that I am comfortable with. Texts are alright for Immediate issues, but I'm not about to discuss philosophy with such a small keypad. I know there are people who can have an extensive conversation using nothing but animated gifs, but I am hearing impaired and I have devoted a Lifetime to mastering a language made of Words. Yes, spelling, punctuation, grammar, and syntax Matter in such languages. It's useful to have a consistent framework for hanging up ideas.

**On this forum, I use the 'New Posts' page and usually find Something being posted each day. Sometimes, what's being posted is not particularly interesting, to me. I will agree that we have had times when the Number of new posts and Topics have been torrential. It's quite possible that, after years and years, we are getting... tired. We are hardly dead, yet. (Insert Monty Python reference.)

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I guess I have been posting

I guess I have been posting less here. I am very grateful to Cyclops for persisting with his "caption this" posts - it gives me license to say something without having to have any point of view at all.

Regarding Avatar Builders, I am slightly hooked on the Heroforge one. Just knowing that tiny dude you assemble, pose and (for Kickstarter backers) color could someday be an expensive blob of technicolor, technotexture plastic on a shelf got me started. The new widgets every week keeps me poking around. I appreciate our AB here has more to do to get some basics sorted, skeletons and layouts, before it gets cluttered with costumery, The AB has many different things expected of it than a frozen figurine. So I'm fine with both systems. But as soon as I hear the AB has new widgets I'll be all over it again.

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Airhead wrote:
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I guess I have been posting less here. I am very grateful to Cyclops for persisting with his "caption this" posts - it gives me license to say something without having to have any point of view at all.

Regarding Avatar Builders, I am slightly hooked on the Heroforge one. Just knowing that tiny dude you assemble, pose and (for Kickstarter backers) color could someday be an expensive blob of technicolor, technotexture plastic on a shelf got me started. The new widgets every week keeps me poking around. I appreciate our AB here has more to do to get some basics sorted, skeletons and layouts, before it gets cluttered with costumery, The AB has many different things expected of it than a frozen figurine. So I'm fine with both systems. But as soon as I hear the AB has new widgets I'll be all over it again.

I've spent a little time with it, and it's definitely enjoyable:

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I will say that while it's

I will say that while it's been quiet here. The second chance has been very consistent. The influx of cash only amounts to a few dollars an hour but that, after 6 months is kind of impressive. Since the end of February it has been very steady in growth. Prior to that it was much closer to the hockeystick like growth pattern. Now growth is pretty linear.

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I've spent a little time with it, and it's definitely enjoyable: [snip]

They have metallic finishes in the avatar builder but the prints are wholly plastic. Based on prints I've seen so far I'm trying to stick to non-metal colors. Maybe I could add gloss later. This tinker-tailor makes her buttons with the 3D printer on her back. A little meta-irony for a wee non-metal hero.

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Grimfox wrote:
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I will say that while it's been quiet here. The second chance has been very consistent. The influx of cash only amounts to a few dollars an hour but that, after 6 months is kind of impressive. Since the end of February it has been very steady in growth. Prior to that it was much closer to the hockeystick like growth pattern. Now growth is pretty linear.

I'd agree that's an encouraging sign.

I know I've been following the forums since Kickstarter- just not finding a reason to post.

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