Likely if you played as an end boss your HP would be boosted to allow you to better fight multiple opponents. Possibly giving you a couple of special attacks to boot.

Or an ability to call in more minions.

CTF- Since you have to target a spot to teleport to, then change the environment. Lots of walls and corners so that if someone did try and teleport far they could probably only target a certain distance, like 10 feet before hitting a wall. And in that kind of space, super speed would be a nightmare.

Protect the president - Instead of an open area, have it setup where the president is in a certain room or chamber. The other team can have it where they can attack certain weak spots to try to get in, or certain tunnels to get to that chamber. The defending team has to defend those spots and are sort of the last resort if the other team breaks in.

Protect the president js usually an escort through a map.
The ctf suggestion is exactly the kind of heavy handedness I would like to avoid. It also limits the macguffin (flag) movements to generally indoor areas or labrynrh like locations with limited air space.

It may be that is what we have to do. I’m hoping we can pull off something better.

Well if im being honest, I never play any events in PVP. I like the open world PVP.

Yes, but Overwatch matches are small. And their characters will not move as well or as much as ours will. Comparatively, if we were to make instanced PvP event maps, there wouldn’t be a comparison.

We’re probably looking at an entire district instance. And doing that well, that’s where we end up with problems with incredibly high mobility. Not to mention the much greater range of mechanics we will have compare to Overwatch.

Either way, there is stuff we want to do, but there is no easy way to go about designing it at this time.

It would suck to have a character who's specialty is sniping then have the PvP event where sniping would be most useful turn out to be useless.

Cause when it comes to something like this you have to think about what's fun for all involved.

With the protect the president you could have him have some secret service members who will jump in front of him to protect him from sniper attacks, like 4 of them, so they're more like sniper shields. These service members could also help the heroes in combat by doing pitiful damage. Then it becomes a game of clear the VIPs shields, then snipe him.

For CTF having them not be able to teleport with the flag might work, or having an area around the flag that opposing teams can't teleport into/out of. It could cancel out all travel powers to be fair. Or maybe having the players be able to build structures around the flag to better defend it, guns, travel power jammers, forcefields, etc. Then a porter could get a few quick points but after that they'd have to get people inside to destroy the equipment to do it.

The king of the hill problem has a seemingly obvious solution of lowering AoE damage, but that doesn't seem fair. An AoE centric build may be able to keep the hill better, but getting it will still be difficult especially in a team game. All someone needs to do is hang back and snipe them down. And usually AoEs are weaker than single target abilities so if a couple of tough characters get up to the AoE-er they'd probably not do so well. I think the king of the hill AoE-er would sort itself out.

Project_Hero wrote:

It would suck to have a character who's specialty is sniping then have the PvP event where sniping would be most useful turn out to be useless.

Cause when it comes to something like this you have to think about what's fun for all involved.

Personally I'm against the idea of trying to make every part of the game individually accessible and optimized for all of the different play styles that could exist. If you're going into a PvP match or event of some kind, bring a toon that's not totally gimped by the map parameters, etc, or alternatively, bring a sub-optimal build on purpose just to try to challenge yourself. Either way, I personally would rather have a set of available PvP maps to play on and events to join that are varied and different, even if some of them don't really look terribly inviting to some play styles. Just have something for everyone, don't try to sanitize the game such that EVERYTHING is for everyone. Because that limits the amount of variability you can have.

I would think that the counter to a snipe is a character with tremendous damage resistance to shrug it off or evasion to avoid it, or maybe even a control ability with the same range, or a counter-snipe meant to interrupt the incoming snipe attack.
Is that teleporter ruining your flag defense strategy? cast darkness or an AoE snare around the flag. Cast blind on the teleporter so she can't pick a spot to jump to.

I feel that every power or ability should have an achilles heel such that no single build can be the answer to all threats.

Since I am a fan of self-organizing behavior, this type of build design in the game would provide an incentive for a team of players to work together to find the optimum combinations of power sets for the moment; only to require an adjustment as soon as their opponents reorganize, and so on and so on.

So rather than heavy-handed rules and/or map weirdness, we put the agency in the players hands. Continual power set adjustments may be necessary on the part of the game designers; while at the same time a certain amount of restraint needs to be exercised to keep from making knee-jerk reactions when the playerbase complains about a seemingly overpowered team build synergy, when what is really happening is that the best counters just haven't been discovered by the player base yet.

And Snipe is just one power out of a dozen one might have. It doesn't seem effective to pile all of your power behind a single attack. That might work against static mobs, but players don't stand still for the 30 seconds of build-up.

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Fireheart

Fireheart wrote:

And Snipe is just one power out of a dozen one might have. It doesn't seem effective to pile all of your power behind a single attack. That might work against static mobs, but players don't stand still for the 30 seconds of build-up.

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Fireheart

They don't need to stand still, just stay in range. And it can be easy to land when the foe doesn't see it coming.

Mostly this becomes a problem for a PvP escort mission as likely the NPC will be moving slowly. Just stand somewhere unlikely (or be stealthed) start the snipe when they get into range then a few seconds later you deal massive damage maybe taking out a player, or more importantly the NPC they're protecting. If you're lucky your enemies won't know where the attack came from so you just start charging it up again (cooldowns permitting).

Either way you can take a big chunk of HP off of someone especially so if someone specced themselves for maximum sniper damage.

And that's just having one sniper. If the opposing team had 2 or 3? How many snipes should an NPC reasonably be able to take?

Are any powers so far listed as reflection for ranged attacks? I honestly don't remember.

Also I think any such powers only deal a small amount of damage back to the attacker, definitely not like how reflect in final fantasy works. So they'd deal a massive amount of damage then get a small amount of damage, I don't think they'd mind so much.

Just looked at the powers and there's a reflective barrier power in force control which seems to be a stationary area which unless you can put it up constantly for the NPC every step of the way, it's still not enough. Granted if you had a large part of the team doing that... You'd likely get slaughtered by melee.

Wolfgang8565 wrote:

Great idea! You just reminded me of a really fun game called Fat Princess on the PS3 in which it essentially works the same. There's the blue side and red side. Each team's princess is trapped in the other team's castle. Each team must get into the castle and carry their princess back to their own castle to win. The more people escorting you the faster you move to get back to your castle quicker. Maybe instead of carrying the mayor, he just runs alongside us as we head back. The more heroes with us the faster the group moves back.

This formulation has merit for a lot of things, including PvE content. Heck, you could even pull this sort of thing as a PvEvP sort of deal too, with a little bit of finesse.