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Power Customization Questions?

So one thing I saw promised was that powers would be customizable, as in if you wanted to use the power set fire and you chose the power Fireball, you would not be stuck with a fireball from your hands, but can throw a fireball from your hands, feet, eyes, mouth, and even saw in a video you could shoot that fireball from a gun. My question is, will this work with melee too. Say I wanted to use an energy melee class with knock back as its main feature. I choose the power energy smash. Am I able to customize that energy smash to come from a punch, a kick, a should hit, headset, or go further and equip a shield and I energy smash with my shield? I have just always dreamed of an energy based character who uses dual shields, kind of how Captain America does in Avengers: Infinity Wars but with major knock back power.

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In principle, I don't see why

In principle, I don't see why not. Not sure how far Aesthetic Decoupling is though.


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You choose the ability and

You choose the ability and then you choose the animation, yes. Obviously the choices won't be 100% unlimited, but when you pick a melee attack, it's entirely up to you whether it's a punch, kick, smash, weapon, or whatever else we can cram in there... A whole slew of options.

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I appreciate your reply very

I appreciate your reply very much!!! By chance do you know, are shields going to be a melee option? lol and could you be the very first game ever to allow dual shielding! Captain America made that look like a pretty viable weapon option!! lol You'd be the greatest!

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I mean Skyrim has dual

I mean Skyrim has dual shields :p


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Right now we're in no

Right now we're in no position to guarantee anything, but this isn't the first time dual shields has been talked about. It'd definitely on dev radar.

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KindofaLegend wrote:
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So one thing I saw promised was that powers would be customizable, as in if you wanted to use the power set fire and you chose the power Fireball

Another thing to wrap your head around is that there are no damage types. So there will be no 'fire' set. In theory, you can pick a ranged power, select an emanation point (and or a prop), then make it look like whatever you want. Then you could tweak the power to have a damage over time effect (burning fire or whatever you desire).

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Planet10 wrote:
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KindofaLegend wrote:

So one thing I saw promised was that powers would be customizable, as in if you wanted to use the power set fire and you chose the power Fireball

Another thing to wrap your head around is that there are no damage types. So there will be no 'fire' set. In theory, you can pick a ranged power, select an emanation point (and or a prop), then make it look like whatever you want. Then you could tweak the power to have a damage over time effect (burning fire or whatever you desire).

We hve 3 damage types: Physical, Energy, and Exotic.

You don’t tweak the mechanics of powers unless you end up with special Set Boosters, Augments, Refinements, or unique Set Bonuses (which aren’t in at launch).

You choose a Power Set that fits the play style you like using a mechanic that seems to fit your concept. If you wanted a fire that did damage over time you would look for a set that used a lot of DoT effects in the powers and aesthetically customize them accordingly.


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haha very true and I forgot

haha very true and I forgot you can do it in Dark Souls as well, which was a fun attempt at torturing myself for a sick fantasy I have lol but I wish a company would give a dedicated power set to dual shields themselves! I always heard year after year it was ridiculous and implausible as a fighting style and then Avengers: Infinity Wars busted out dual shield cap and it looked like a pretty effective style to me haha So here's to hoping!

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Thank you so much for the

Thank you so much for the clarification! I get now exactly I think how things work. Just excited now to see the game and what awesome stuff there is in store!

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Tannim222 wrote:
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Planet10 wrote:
KindofaLegend wrote:

So one thing I saw promised was that powers would be customizable, as in if you wanted to use the power set fire and you chose the power Fireball

Another thing to wrap your head around is that there are no damage types. So there will be no 'fire' set. In theory, you can pick a ranged power, select an emanation point (and or a prop), then make it look like whatever you want. Then you could tweak the power to have a damage over time effect (burning fire or whatever you desire).

We hve 3 damage types: Physical, Energy, and Exotic.

You don’t tweak the mechanics of powers unless you end up with special Set Boosters, Augments, Refinements, or unique Set Bonuses (which aren’t in at launch).

You choose a Power Set that fits the play style you like using a mechanic that seems to fit your concept. If you wanted a fire that did damage over time you would look for a set that used a lot of DoT effects in the powers and aesthetically customize them accordingly.

Just curious, what is exotic damage? Could you give an example?

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Tannim had given a defense

Tannim had given a defense debuff as an example before. But maybe another illustration would help ;)

Currently Psychic sets, Vampiric sets, and Illusion Control have exotic damage. Thematically I guess exotic is just stuff that doesn't fit into Physical or Energy: mind attacks, void damage, darkness, maybe poison.


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Losername wrote:
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Tannim222 wrote:
Planet10 wrote:
KindofaLegend wrote:

So one thing I saw promised was that powers would be customizable, as in if you wanted to use the power set fire and you chose the power Fireball

Another thing to wrap your head around is that there are no damage types. So there will be no 'fire' set. In theory, you can pick a ranged power, select an emanation point (and or a prop), then make it look like whatever you want. Then you could tweak the power to have a damage over time effect (burning fire or whatever you desire).

We hve 3 damage types: Physical, Energy, and Exotic.

You don’t tweak the mechanics of powers unless you end up with special Set Boosters, Augments, Refinements, or unique Set Bonuses (which aren’t in at launch).

You choose a Power Set that fits the play style you like using a mechanic that seems to fit your concept. If you wanted a fire that did damage over time you would look for a set that used a lot of DoT effects in the powers and aesthetically customize them accordingly.

Just curious, what is exotic damage? Could you give an example?

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Tannim had given a defense debuff as an example before. But maybe another illustration would help ;)

Currently Phychic sets, Vampiric sets, and Illusion Control have exotic damage. Thematically I guess exotic is just stuff that doesn't fit into Physical or Energy: mind attacks, void damage, darkness, maybe poison.

Des is correct. Ultimately, Exotic is just a third damage type. When you boil down what damage types are, they function as channels of damage to distinguish from each other which can be used to create a variety in gameplay.
Really, a developer could call them anything that fits their game theme. A candy-themed game could have Jolly Rancher, Taffy, and Bubblegum damage types.

For those interested in how we arrived at our 3, here is a brief history:

We initially had looked at the old game's 8 damage types and messed around with variations of 5 different types. We eventually discarded looking backward and created an extensive list of possible damage types. I don't quite recall the exact number, but 21 seems awfully familiar. We even went in the opposite direction and had no types at all and just had damage with no "type", and mitigations vs. different kinds of effects. The decision was made to work with our extensive list. We culled it down a bit, paring similar types into one and ended up somewhere in the range of 9-11 types. As we iterated on mechanics, we would revisit these types and had created a system that dealt with meta-damage-types which governed sub-damage types. The 9-11 ended up as the sub-damage types with our current 3 being the meta-damage types. Iteration continued and we realized that while the system was interesting it was also somewhat convoluted. It would result in complexity for both the player and us as a small team of devs. We had to create a system where if we maintained our current dev-team for gameplay (which actually shrunk over time), we would be able to manage it well for the health of the game. By the way, all powers have a damage type assigned to them. Healing, for example, is typed Exotic. A regeneration debuff would be typed Exotic, and if you had Exotic Resistance, it would reduce the debuff value.

The result was to cut the sub-damage types, keeping with 3 main damage types. This bled into lots of other areas of design. Evasion has 3 types vs styles of attacks: melee, ranged, and AoE. Defense has 3 types vs the same styles, but there are also 3 Defense Effects: Damage Defense, Control Defense, and Debuff Defense. There are 3 main categories of damage mitigation; Avoid being hit (evasion), Reduce when hit (defense, subtraction, resistance - another 3), and Recover when hit (healing and regeneration - which is just healing over time). Our Augments go from 0 to 3 Sockets for Refinements. There are 3 types of main improvement Sockets: Augment Sockets, Set Sockets, Refinement Sockets. 3 main types of improvements: Augments, Boosters (which has a sub-category of global boosters), and Refinements.

As an aside, we haven't completely done away with the damage sub-types. They actually still exist in our Power Designer that we use to make all the powers. They currently serve no function and won't be seen in the game in any way. We have shelved them to explore as possible use further in the future. If we never get to it, well, it is just a minor step us developers have to go through when making a power. We have ideas on how to use them that avoid complicating the combat mechanics of damage vs damage mitigation keeping the 3 main types as damage.


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Art Deco combat mechanics :p

Art Deco combat mechanics :p


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Thanks for the cool glimpse

Thanks for the cool glimpse behind the curtain, Tannim!

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Healing, for example, is typed Exotic. A regeneration debuff would be typed Exotic, and if you had Exotic Resistance, it would reduce the debuff value.

Just to be sure, this doesn't mean a char with Exotic Resistance would be harder for a teammate to heal, does it?

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"would reduce the debuff

"would reduce the debuff value" I think means if an enemy hit you with a healing debuff, you'd be more resistant to it with exotic resistance.

Kinda funny to think about thematically: "I'm resistant to weird stuff, but bullets work just fine" :p I guess Galrithius is kinda like that.


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Thanks for the cool glimpse behind the curtain, Tannim!

Tannim222 wrote:

Healing, for example, is typed Exotic. A regeneration debuff would be typed Exotic, and if you had Exotic Resistance, it would reduce the debuff value.

Just to be sure, this doesn't mean a char with Exotic Resistance would be harder for a teammate to heal, does it?

No we wouldn’t do that. Resistance reduces harmful effects by type.


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DesViper wrote:
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"would reduce the debuff value" I think means if an enemy hit you with a healing debuff, you'd be more resistant to it with exotic resistance.

Kinda funny to think about thematically: "I'm resistant to weird stuff, but bullets work just fine" :p I guess Galrithius is kinda like that.

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Vlad makes good points :p

Vlad makes good points :p


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DesViper wrote:
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Kinda funny to think about thematically: "I'm resistant to weird stuff, but bullets work just fine" :p I guess Galrithius is kinda like that.

For the reverse of that at one point I believe Power Girl's invulnerability didn't work against non-worked material. So bullets bounced off but you could bean her with a rock just fine.

Comics are weird.

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Okay if you're going to go

Okay if you're going to go that route just say it's magic......Like I do ;p


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