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New season of Star Trek coming soon

Just a reminder that the second season of The Orville will be starting this Sunday at 8:00pm (after football) on Fox. Been looking forward to it all year. :)

P.S. Just to avoid confusion with my thread title there is in fact another show starting back up on January 17 that calls itself Star Trek Discovery. Unfortunately since that show is really just a S.T.I.N.O. (Star Trek In Name Only) I don't really actually consider it a legitimate Star Trek series. YMMV of course. ;)


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Q: When is a Star Trek NOT a

Q: When is a Star Trek NOT a Star Trek?

A: When it's a CBS Discovery ...


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Speaking of better Star Treks

Speaking of better Star Treks ...


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Speaking of better Star Treks ...

I continue to find it strangely ironic that it appears almost everyone and their brother can make a better Star Trek show/series than the people who are technically the flag bearers of the franchise. I still like the Star Trek Continues fan series despite the fact they decided to call it a day. They probably could have easily done a few dozen more episodes if they could have kept it going.

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Signed everything in the OP.

Signed everything in the OP. ^_^

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I continue to find it strangely ironic that it appears almost everyone and their brother can make a better Star Trek show/series than the people who are technically the flag bearers of the franchise.

It's not really a random irony as much as blatantly different goals: the fan productions come from the direction of "we loved Star Trek TOS and want to stay faithful to its core elements, such as design, writing, and characterizations" and the franchise owners come from the direction of "I must put my personally unique stamp upon this project in order to further my career." Or as J. Michael Straczynski put it in a different context, there's nothing like success to get a horde of executives and producers to descend on you, telling you how you need to fix your project.

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Signed everything in the OP. ^_^

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I continue to find it strangely ironic that it appears almost everyone and their brother can make a better Star Trek show/series than the people who are technically the flag bearers of the franchise.

It's not really a random irony as much as blatantly different goals: the fan productions come from the direction of "we loved Star Trek TOS and want to stay faithful to its core elements, such as design, writing, and characterizations" and the franchise owners come from the direction of "I must put my personally unique stamp upon this project in order to further my career." Or as J. Michael Straczynski put it in a different context, there's nothing like success to get a horde of executives and producers to descend on you, telling you how you need to fix your project.

Yes but "personally putting their unique stamp upon the project" doesn't prevent them from creating something that's actually watchable. You can have "new and improved" while also having something fundamentally worthwhile at the same time. Even if you take Discovery as "generic Sci-Fi" with no connection to anything else I think it still fails to entertain. Oh well.

P.S. Look closely at this pic...

Why oh why couldn't that phaser had just fired right there and spared us all the continued misery that is Discovery...

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It was a welcome release.

It was a welcome release.

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Right now, I'm just very 'meh

Right now, I'm just very 'meh' about Discovery. I watched most of the last season and just could not get into it.

Now 'The Orville", however... I'm not really a Seth MacFarlane fan but, I must admit, I like what he's doing here.

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Yes but "personally putting their unique stamp upon the project" doesn't prevent them from creating something that's actually watchable.

"You would think so," said the Vulcan professor. "You would f***ing think so."

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P.S. Look closely at this pic...

Why oh why couldn't that phaser had just fired right there and spared us all the continued misery that is Discovery...

Nice catch!

... That was a catch, right? Catching the phaser? Like the "catch the sword blade with your hands" trick so overused in shounen anime, right?

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Right now, I'm just very 'meh' about Discovery. I watched most of the last season and just could not get into it.

I'll confess, I couldn't get through the first episode. I got up to the part where they were completely dumbfounded by a hole in space, and their senors and scanners and whatnot couldn't tell then jack squat about what it was, so they went down to the Captain's room, which had a four-inch refractor telescope that apparently saved the day. Or something; I couldn't figure out what they were getting at. So I put it down, thinking I'd get back to it later.

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Now 'The Orville", however... I'm not really a Seth MacFarlane fan but, I must admit, I like what he's doing here.

I watched season 1 because I planned to hate it but I like to be informed about things I hate. I actually am a fan of Family Guy but the previews of The Orville turned me off. A comedic parody of Star Trek stretched into a series?

I was not expecting a very well-written, intriguing sci fi show with great characters I care about, cool tech, just sprinkled with enough humor to keep it from getting too full of itself. It’s one of the best sci fi programs I’ve ever seen and one of my favorite TV shows I watch now. I could not have been more wrong with my expectations. To be fair, the previews did not do this show justice.

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I saw the previews and was

I saw the previews and was like "OMG! This looks awesome!"

One of my biggest complaints about Star Trek, which they seemed to have fixed later on, is how everyone seemed to be all about Classical Music. :p "We're so evolved and advanced, all we listen to is classical."

TNG seemed to add some Jazz. Voyager had Paris enjoying the 80's and 90's (?) and some earlier stuff, which was nice to see. Also, I loved how when making their shuttle he was all "Let's add this, because it would look cool!" :)

First Contact gave us some 70's rock. Which, I would've thought in that time period, 70's rock would've still be less likely, but whatcha gonna do?

Then the new ST movies put in some Beastie Boys and I was all "FINALLY!"

I'd like to see some even more modern music.

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Well, it's official. CBS

Well, it's official. CBS somehow managed to make STD even worse in season 2 than it was in season 1.

Best of all, STD tried to rip off The Orville AND FAILED. Just watch the video I've provided. You will enjoy the pitchforks and torches.


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Atama wrote:
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Now 'The Orville", however... I'm not really a Seth MacFarlane fan but, I must admit, I like what he's doing here.

I watched season 1 because I planned to hate it but I like to be informed about things I hate. I actually am a fan of Family Guy but the previews of The Orville turned me off. A comedic parody of Star Trek stretched into a series?

I was not expecting a very well-written, intriguing sci fi show with great characters I care about, cool tech, just sprinkled with enough humor to keep it from getting too full of itself. It’s one of the best sci fi programs I’ve ever seen and one of my favorite TV shows I watch now. I could not have been more wrong with my expectations. To be fair, the previews did not do this show justice.

The Orville continues to suffer from a gigantic gap between the "critics hate it" numbers and "viewers love it" numbers. Its first season has like a 28% critic score and a 94% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. Basically everyone who "doesn't get it" has reflexively assumed it must be either A) Family Guy in space or B) a crude Star Trek ripoff. It's really neither of those things.

I think the key point that many people miss is what Seth MacFarlane is attempting to do with this show. Apparently no ones seems to realize that he's probably one of the world's biggest Star Trek fanboys - he's so into the show that he actually managed to get himself cameo appearances in a couple of Star Trek episodes and has worked with many of the actors from the various Star Trek series on his own shows.

Basically The Orville is the ultimate Star Trek fan-fic. It's the work of a devoted Star Trek fan who only wants to do proper justice to the original concepts established by Roddenberry. So of course it's going to seem to the uninformed that MacFarlane is "just ripping off" Star Trek but in reality he's doing his best to honor the sprit of the original shows. In effect The Orville is the true "spiritual successor" to Star Trek much like CoT will be a spiritual successor to CoH.

Obviously since MacFarlane's own early shows (i.e. Family Guy) are comedic in nature its fair to say he's putting a comedic spin on The Orville as well. But in this case the comedy serves the underlying stories of the shows as opposed to being the "only point" to the shows. People who were expecting The Orville to be a single-dimensional one-trick-pony comedy show were basically misinformed and unfortunately I think many of the critics "downvoted it" because it didn't fit their expectations.

I think the longer the show lasts the more people will come to understand what MacFarlane is doing with The Orville. As long as the "official" Star Trek franchise continues to spin its wheels in the mud we should all be collectively glad he's there to carry the torch for us. :)

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Season 2 of The Orville is

Season 2 of The Orville is even better than the first, so far, at least to me. The writing seems more mature now.

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Season 2 of The Orville is even better than the first, so far, at least to me. The writing seems more mature now.

That's great to hear. I need to quickly catch up because I've been at sea since New Year's (just pulled into port today) and only managed to catch the first episode of the season (Ja'loja) before we left. No spoliers allowed upon pain of Latchkum! ;)

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Well, it's official. CBS somehow managed to make STD even worse in season 2 than it was in season 1.

Best of all, STD tried to rip off The Orville AND FAILED. Just watch the video I've provided. You will enjoy the pitchforks and torches.

I wouldn't exactly call it an Orville rip off.
Star Trek has always sprinkled a little slapstick in here and there to break things up.
The Trouble with Tribbles - TOS
A Piece of the Action - TOS
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
The Samaritan Snare - TNG
the Robin Hood episode - TNG
pretty much any Ferengi-centric episode in DS9

Those are just off the top of my head.

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Having a crew that feels like

Having a crew that feels like normal people. Who still recall everything past, but aren't stuck with classical is great :)

Star Trek always seemed to treat a lot of the current day stuff as "Meh." Which changed a bit of course. However, I was always like "They talk about the past or enjoy the past so much, but why is it always classical or jazz? Where's the rock? The grunge? Some love of the 80 and 90's?"

What is really odd was, to me anyways, one can't tend to find someone today who was into the old crime noirs, like Picard was, but it seemed everyone on the crew was :p

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Well, it's official. CBS somehow managed to make STD even worse in season 2 than it was in season 1.

Best of all, STD tried to rip off The Orville AND FAILED. Just watch the video I've provided. You will enjoy the pitchforks and torches.

I wouldn't exactly call it an Orville rip off.
Star Trek has always sprinkled a little slapstick in here and there to break things up.
The Trouble with Tribbles - TOS
A Piece of the Action - TOS
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
The Samaritan Snare - TNG
the Robin Hood episode - TNG
pretty much any Ferengi-centric episode in DS9

Those are just off the top of my head.

I'm pretty sure Redlynne wasn't trying to say Discovery is an Orville ripoff just because it's trying to include ANY amount of comedic content. Obviously every previous Star Trek series has managed a few moments of humor and/or silliness here or there to some degree.

But The Orville specifically made a "thing" out of its "awkward elevator scenes" in many of its relatively few episodes so far. The fact that Discovery had to follow suit and create its own noticeably identical scene just seems overtly pathetic on Discovery's part. It smacks of a bunch of people who realize their show is a hot dumpster fire and is desperately trying to figure out why so many people like what The Orville is doing more than what they're offering.

No one's saying Discovery can't inject a bit of its own style of humor (or even basic quality) into its episodes. But when one of its rare attempts to do that seems practically "cut-n-paste" from an arguably superior competeting show it just comes off as sad and directionless. It's seems the people working on Star Trek today think they should automatically be taken seriously just because they have the legal right to actually be called a "Star Trek" without understanding anything about what made Star Trek great to begin with. It's like setting a toddler in front of a grand piano - sure he might bang on the keys and make some noise but without training or conscious understanding/appreciation of what he's doing he's never going to produce anything recognizable or worth listening to.

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Having a crew that feels like normal people. Who still recall everything past, but aren't stuck with classical is great :)

Star Trek always seemed to treat a lot of the current day stuff as "Meh." Which changed a bit of course. However, I was always like "They talk about the past or enjoy the past so much, but why is it always classical or jazz? Where's the rock? The grunge? Some love of the 80 and 90's?"

What is really odd was, to me anyways, one can't tend to find someone today who was into the old crime noirs, like Picard was, but it seemed everyone on the crew was :p

Yeah classic Star Trek did sort of keep much of the latest "musical pop culture" at arm's length to certain degrees.

But think of it this way: I'm sure there was plenty of "popular music" played in the 17th century that no one knows or plays today in the 21st century. Just about the only music anyone still listens to from that period would be what we call "classical" now. Basically there's really no guarantee anyone would know or care about our current popular rock/punk/grunge/etc. music in the 24th century.

In a related example I always thought it was funny in the Demolition Man movie where their "popular music" was just commercial jingles from the 1950's. Who's to say that's not going to be what people actually care about in the future? ;)

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With the apparent short

With the apparent short attention span syndrome that SOME young people have, it wouldn't surprise me.
My son is still surprised when I remind him of the length of some the songs we had back in the 60/70/80's. or that a lot of the songs made were actually stories in disguise to rant or support a cause.
Then I played the actual opposite of a song that tells him a story and played Hot Stuff for him. He still hates me for that.

Hey! Don't they have bars in Japan where they sing Anime OP and ED songs (1:30) in those high pitched "girl" voices? Akihabara (I hate translating Japanese words into English) might be one place,?

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Hey! Don't they have bars in Japan where they sing Anime OP and ED songs (1:30) in those high pitched "girl" voices? Akihabara (I hate translating Japanese words into English) might be one place,?

Not to get too off-topic but there are probably dozens of "Lolita Maid" bars in Akihabara alone. Some are independent clubs and some are chain franchises. Basically on a busy day you can't walk hardly 20 feet without passing by a cute Lolita girl on the street throwing flyers at you to go to their particular bar. Plenty of cat/dog petting bars now too where you get to go into rooms full of cute puppies and kitties to play with. Awwww!

Anyway the Lolita girls dress up in anime styled maid/schoolgirl outfits and have their customers buy them kawaii (i.e. cutesy) food and drink items that they hand-feed to them. They also sing various songs and generally act like giggly "drinky bar" hostesses without the overtly direct sexual innuendo. They are effectively strip joints without the nudity. ;)

By FYI coincidence I'm currently in Yokohama now and just went up to places like Akihabara and Harajuku recently - getting to be here is a great side benefit of my job. :)

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Having a crew that feels like normal people. Who still recall everything past, but aren't stuck with classical is great :)

Star Trek always seemed to treat a lot of the current day stuff as "Meh." Which changed a bit of course. However, I was always like "They talk about the past or enjoy the past so much, but why is it always classical or jazz? Where's the rock? The grunge? Some love of the 80 and 90's?"

What is really odd was, to me anyways, one can't tend to find someone today who was into the old crime noirs, like Picard was, but it seemed everyone on the crew was :p

Yeah classic Star Trek did sort of keep much of the latest "musical pop culture" at arm's length to certain degrees.

But think of it this way: I'm sure there was plenty of "popular music" played in the 17th century that no one knows or plays today in the 21st century. Just about the only music anyone still listens to from that period would be what we call "classical" now. Basically there's really no guarantee anyone would know or care about our current popular rock/punk/grunge/etc. music in the 24th century.

In a related example I always thought it was funny in the Demolition Man movie where their "popular music" was just commercial jingles from the 1950's. Who's to say that's not going to be what people actually care about in the future? ;)

You're right. I'm not against there being those who love classical. It's just that seemed to be what EVERYONE loved in Star Trek. Then they got a little jazz thrown in later.

Tom Paris was basically the odd ball for liking stuff that might be more modern.

Mix it up! Throw in some love for rap, country, rock, alternative, classical, pop etc. The list goes on!

Hearing Captain Kirk loving Beastie Boys was probably one of my favorite moments in all of Star Trek :)

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Having a crew that feels like normal people. Who still recall everything past, but aren't stuck with classical is great :)

Star Trek always seemed to treat a lot of the current day stuff as "Meh." Which changed a bit of course. However, I was always like "They talk about the past or enjoy the past so much, but why is it always classical or jazz? Where's the rock? The grunge? Some love of the 80 and 90's?"

What is really odd was, to me anyways, one can't tend to find someone today who was into the old crime noirs, like Picard was, but it seemed everyone on the crew was :p

One theory my friends and I share is the Eugenics Wars involved just enough EMP activity to wipe a LOT of the digital media of the 20th and 21st centuries, leaving printed media OK (until Zephram Cochrane decided to use it to start fires). So we get the Earth culture we see in the various series, with a lot of literary and classical music references, and not so much of the more modern, post 60's stuff.

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Having a crew that feels like normal people. Who still recall everything past, but aren't stuck with classical is great :)

Star Trek always seemed to treat a lot of the current day stuff as "Meh." Which changed a bit of course. However, I was always like "They talk about the past or enjoy the past so much, but why is it always classical or jazz? Where's the rock? The grunge? Some love of the 80 and 90's?"

What is really odd was, to me anyways, one can't tend to find someone today who was into the old crime noirs, like Picard was, but it seemed everyone on the crew was :p

One theory my friends and I share is the Eugenics Wars involved just enough EMP activity to wipe a LOT of the digital media of the 20th and 21st centuries, leaving printed media OK (until Zephram Cochrane decided to use it to start fires). So we get the Earth culture we see in the various series, with a lot of literary and classical music references, and not so much of the more modern, post 60's stuff.

Yeah in most versions of the "general lore" of the Star Trek franchise there was basically a "mini dark age" (caused by some combination of the 1990's Eugenics Wars and/or a general third world war in the 22nd century depending on which version of the timeline you like) before the nations of the Earth finally united together under one world government. I've even read a version of events that had Australia remain as the last independent nation for a few years before they finally joined everyone else.

It'd be easy enough to blame those chaotic times on why there are apparent "gaps" in representation of pop culture by the time of the TV shows/movies.

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Tom was more of a car guy

Tom was more of a car guy (and related tech) than anything else. Although he was into some of the related side subjects.

Picard liked what he did because printed media would have survived in one form or another.

As for the rebooted Kirk, I was happy with the modern music, but calling Grunge "Classical" was almost too much for me. ah well

Having references to their past, done right, can make the movie/episode more immersive. Done wrong makes it off putting.

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As for the rebooted Kirk, I was happy with the modern music, but calling Grunge "Classical" was almost too much for me. ah well

Having references to their past, done right, can make the movie/episode more immersive. Done wrong makes it off putting.

As far as I can tell every generation of "young people" have their own version of rebellious pop culture, including music. I simply find it hard to believe that a young Kirk would look back to music from several centuries ago to serve that purpose for him. Wouldn't there be some "modern" Andorian or Klingon rock bands he'd listen to instead?

As you say good references can enhance a show like Star Trek. I just see trying to connect "timely pop culture" to stories set in the future only serves as a sort of "fan service" for the audience watching the show at the expense of making a mess of what these characters would actually do. Again I'll put it in perspective with a straightforward question: How much 17th century "popular" music do you listen to on a daily basis?

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As for the rebooted Kirk, I was happy with the modern music, but calling Grunge "Classical" was almost too much for me. ah well

Having references to their past, done right, can make the movie/episode more immersive. Done wrong makes it off putting.

As far as I can tell every generation of "young people" have their own version of rebellious pop culture, including music. I simply find it hard to believe that a young Kirk would look back to music from several centuries ago to serve that purpose for him. Wouldn't there be some "modern" Andorian or Klingon rock bands he'd listen to instead?

As you say good references can enhance a show like Star Trek. I just see trying to connect "timely pop culture" to stories set in the future only serves as a sort of "fan service" for the audience watching the show at the expense of making a mess of what these characters would actually do. Again I'll put it in perspective with a straightforward question: How much 17th century "popular" music do you listen to on a daily basis?

I feel the problem with this, is the aliens music just may suck. :p You'd basically be asking them to make music, that just may sound like crap to the audience.

I also recall a fan theory that said that in the future their creativity halted. Perhaps people got to a point that all new music sounded exactly like something already done?

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As for the rebooted Kirk, I was happy with the modern music, but calling Grunge "Classical" was almost too much for me. ah well

Having references to their past, done right, can make the movie/episode more immersive. Done wrong makes it off putting.

As far as I can tell every generation of "young people" have their own version of rebellious pop culture, including music. I simply find it hard to believe that a young Kirk would look back to music from several centuries ago to serve that purpose for him. Wouldn't there be some "modern" Andorian or Klingon rock bands he'd listen to instead?

As you say good references can enhance a show like Star Trek. I just see trying to connect "timely pop culture" to stories set in the future only serves as a sort of "fan service" for the audience watching the show at the expense of making a mess of what these characters would actually do. Again I'll put it in perspective with a straightforward question: How much 17th century "popular" music do you listen to on a daily basis?

I feel the problem with this, is the aliens music just may suck. :p You'd basically be asking them to make music, that just may sound like crap to the audience.

I also recall a fan theory that said that in the future their creativity halted. Perhaps people got to a point that all new music sounded exactly like something already done?

Oh sure there's always the chance that any "appropriate yet alien" music would just suck from the audience's point of view.

But trying too hard to plug in "current pop music" that the audience can "relate to" regardless of the story can easily backfire as well. For example the only saving grace of the following example is that this version of Buck Rogers was made in the late 1970's (and Buck himself was from the 20th century) so he can almost "be excused" for dancing to funky disco music in the 25th century:

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I would LOVE to see people enjoying music I may not care for. :)

If you have people like on the Orville with the old entertainment, it'd be great to see one of crew into disco, another into country.

When they did the Rudolph the red nose reindeer I loved it with my only thought being, "Only those two could pull that off." :)

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Just saw S2:E06. IT WAS

Just saw S2:E06. IT WAS AMAZING!! Can't really risk spoiling to much or Lothic will be... displeased. But I will comment on the orchestra. Seth is known to be very involved with the music on his shows and has worked to develop a great relationship with the studio orchestra. So apparently he invited them on to do a quick guest appearance on the Orville. And as anyone would expect, some of them were done up as aliens.

I just have to wonder how that conversation went down?

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Orville has been simply knocking every episode out of the park starting with episode 3 of season 2.
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Can't really risk spoiling to much or Lothic will be... displeased.

Lol don't let me stop you from talking about it - it's not your fault I still have to catch up now that I'm back home. The beauty of TiVo is that it'll let you record hundreds of hours of content for months if necessary but of course that's also its downside if you're having to play catch up and really only have enough time to seriously watch one or two shows a day. Just put a "spoiler warning" in front of anything you post and let people decide if they want to read it or not. ;)

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But I will comment on the orchestra. Seth is known to be very involved with the music on his shows and has worked to develop a great relationship with the studio orchestra. So apparently he invited them on to do a quick guest appearance on the Orville. And as anyone would expect, some of them were done up as aliens.

According to the show's wiki page they are using a real 75-piece orchestra to do the main music for the show. Clearly Seth wants everything about the show to be as good as it can be so it's cool to hear they got a cameo appearance in front of the camera.

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Orville has really hit its stride and is just turning in magnificent performances AND STORIES every single week.

Great to hear! I probably just need to try to binge the last 3 or 4 I haven't seen yet this weekend.

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I only watched 2 episodes... Didn't have enough time... Well, next week though :3

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I may start referring to bio breaks as Ja'loja. :)

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Just saw S2:E06. IT WAS AMAZING!! Can't really risk spoiling to much or Lothic will be... displeased. But I will comment on the orchestra. Seth is known to be very involved with the music on his shows and has worked to develop a great relationship with the studio orchestra. So apparently he invited them on to do a quick guest appearance on the Orville. And as anyone would expect, some of them were done up as aliens.

I just have to wonder how that conversation went down?

There were some moments of that episode that were pure Seth, but I was actually applauding at the end and thinking "that was just about perfect."

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Just saw S2:E06. IT WAS AMAZING!! Can't really risk spoiling to much or Lothic will be... displeased. But I will comment on the orchestra. Seth is known to be very involved with the music on his shows and has worked to develop a great relationship with the studio orchestra. So apparently he invited them on to do a quick guest appearance on the Orville. And as anyone would expect, some of them were done up as aliens.

I just have to wonder how that conversation went down?

There were some moments of that episode that were pure Seth, but I was actually applauding at the end and thinking "that was just about perfect."

Couldn't agree more. Never thought 2 guys running down a hallway would have me laughing that hard.

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I suspect that someday Seth McFarlane will be know as “the Orville guy”.

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We're still in the second season, so hopefully this isn't a thread necro. Without giving spoilers, WE HAVE MORE MUSIC!!

And this time it's Country!

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Hey! Don't they have bars in Japan where they sing Anime OP and ED songs (1:30) in those high pitched "girl" voices? Akihabara (I hate translating Japanese words into English) might be one place,?

Not to get too off-topic but there are probably dozens of "Lolita Maid" bars in Akihabara alone. Some are independent clubs and some are chain franchises. Basically on a busy day you can't walk hardly 20 feet without passing by a cute Lolita girl on the street throwing flyers at you to go to their particular bar. Plenty of cat/dog petting bars now too where you get to go into rooms full of cute puppies and kitties to play with. Awwww!

Anyway the Lolita girls dress up in anime styled maid/schoolgirl outfits and have their customers buy them kawaii (i.e. cutesy) food and drink items that they hand-feed to them. They also sing various songs and generally act like giggly "drinky bar" hostesses without the overtly direct sexual innuendo. They are effectively strip joints without the nudity. ;)

By FYI coincidence I'm currently in Yokohama now and just went up to places like Akihabara and Harajuku recently - getting to be here is a great side benefit of my job. :)

Can't believe I missed this post earlier as I have the perfect video for it! Found it on Mashable a few years ago. (Not pretending I know more about Japan than Lothic as I've never been.) The video is by a pop band World Order, composed of retired martial artists and was shot entirely in Akhibara a.k.a. "electric town". It also features a well known idol group AKB48. (I don't care where you're from, but putting another group in your video takes GUTS!)

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Hey! Don't they have bars in Japan where they sing Anime OP and ED songs (1:30) in those high pitched "girl" voices? Akihabara (I hate translating Japanese words into English) might be one place,?

Not to get too off-topic but there are probably dozens of "Lolita Maid" bars in Akihabara alone. Some are independent clubs and some are chain franchises. Basically on a busy day you can't walk hardly 20 feet without passing by a cute Lolita girl on the street throwing flyers at you to go to their particular bar. Plenty of cat/dog petting bars now too where you get to go into rooms full of cute puppies and kitties to play with. Awwww!

Anyway the Lolita girls dress up in anime styled maid/schoolgirl outfits and have their customers buy them kawaii (i.e. cutesy) food and drink items that they hand-feed to them. They also sing various songs and generally act like giggly "drinky bar" hostesses without the overtly direct sexual innuendo. They are effectively strip joints without the nudity. ;)

By FYI coincidence I'm currently in Yokohama now and just went up to places like Akihabara and Harajuku recently - getting to be here is a great side benefit of my job. :)

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Can't believe I missed this post earlier as I have the perfect video for it! Found it on Mashable a few years ago. (Not pretending I know more about Japan than Lothic as I've never been.) The video is by a pop band World Order, composed of retired martial artists and was shot entirely in Akhibara a.k.a. "electric town". It also features a well known idol group AKB48. (I don't care where you're from, but putting another group in your video takes GUTS!)

Thanks for posting the vid. I've been lucky enough to have literally stood/walked along every outdoor location shown in the vid and it brought back some great memories. It even showed some of the cool businesses/bars you can go to there. There's really no other place like it.

BTW, The appearance of AKB48 in the video makes sense since Akihabara is sort of that group's "home turf" (that's where the 'AKB' comes from). That group is sort of like a Japanese version of the Rockettes - there's over 100 members right now. It would kind of almost be weird if some part of AKB48 didn't make an appearance in a vid made there.

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The US, Japan, Canada, South Korea and Scotland...

I've been to all of those except Scotland and that one is high on my list too. I personally want to go to Australia and New Zealand someday.

As far as Japan goes my job has allowed me to play tourist in Tokyo roughly 2 or 3 days per year (on average) for the last 15+ years. Amazingly enough I've been able to go see/do something different in different parts of the city pretty much every trip and there's still things I'd like to see that I haven't seen yet. Ironically I haven't done Tokyo Disney yet but considering I grew up 20 miles from Disney World in Orlando going to see the Japanese version of that hasn't been a priority. ;)

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1. Anaheim
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3. Orlando
... in that order.

In Anaheim, the rides are the main attraction, with the shops on the side.
In Orlando, the shops are the main attraction, with the rides on the side ... offering abbreviated rides relative to what you get in Anaheim.
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1. Anaheim
2. Tokyo
3. Orlando
... in that order.

In Anaheim, the rides are the main attraction, with the shops on the side.
In Orlando, the shops are the main attraction, with the rides on the side ... offering abbreviated rides relative to what you get in Anaheim.
Of the three, I definitely felt like Tokyo was a superior Magic Kingdom to Orlando.

Eh, I imagine Disney Tokyo might be more "interesting" than Disney World just because of the Japanese spin on things. But considering I've been to Disney World at least a couple of dozen times I'd much rather spend my time while I'm in Japan doing and seeing 'actual' Japanese stuff than a vague "rehash" of something I've seen too much of here in Florida already. As I implied if I finally run out of other things to do there I'll probably eventually go just to mark it off the bucket list.

As for Anaheim it's in California so that's really all that needs to be said about that. ;)

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As for Anaheim it's in California so that's really all that needs to be said about that. ;)

Hey! Anaheim also has Knotts' Berry Farm and Medieval Times. And California is, indeed cool! It's not ALL 'Holly-weird'. Just don't go to San Francisco. Nobody sane can afford to live there.

At Knotts' the little kids kick Snoopy in the clusters, instead of Mickey. Or go north, to Six Flags' Magic Mountain, with more kinds of 'Whirl-til-you-Hurl' than Disney ever contemplated. In between, there's the Getty Art Museum. California's the only place I ever heard of where you can go Snow-skiing and Surfing on the same day.

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Hey! Anaheim also has Knotts' Berry Farm and Medieval Times.

Minor correction: Knott's Berry Farm (see Boysenberry) and Medieval Times are in Buena Park, just north of Anaheim, both on Beach Boulevard (California Route 39)

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As for Anaheim it's in California so that's really all that needs to be said about that. ;)

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No harm done.

No harm done.

And do NOT go to Medieval Times thinking to get a decent meal. Greasy, Sticky, and unfulfilling - and that was the 'Wine'. However, the (obviously scripted) show was well done. Just suspend disbelief for an hour. If you can do that most thoroughly, you might even mistake what's on your plate for good food.

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And do NOT go to Medieval Times thinking to get a decent meal. Greasy, Sticky, and unfulfilling - and that was the 'Wine'. However, the (obviously scripted) show was well done. Just suspend disbelief for an hour. If you can do that most thoroughly, you might even mistake what's on your plate for good food.

Turns out Medieval Times is a chain franchise thing. There are nine of them in North America (Toronto got one at one point). We've had one in Orlando for at least 35+ years now and ours was actually the first one. ;)

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Oh my ...

You know it's bad for STD when they start openly intimating that they need to start deliberately ripping off The Orville next ...


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Oh my ...

You know it's bad for STD when they start openly intimating that they need to start deliberately ripping off The Orville next ...

I just think it's sad we live in a world where practically anybody can make a better "Star Trek" than the people currently entrusted with making Star Trek...

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As for Anaheim it's in California so that's really all that needs to be said about that. ;)

Hey! Anaheim also has Knotts' Berry Farm and Medieval Times. And California is, indeed cool! It's not ALL 'Holly-weird'. Just don't go to San Francisco. Nobody sane can afford to live there.

At Knotts' the little kids kick Snoopy in the clusters, instead of Mickey. Or go north, to Six Flags' Magic Mountain, with more kinds of 'Whirl-til-you-Hurl' than Disney ever contemplated. In between, there's the Getty Art Museum. California's the only place I ever heard of where you can go Snow-skiing and Surfing on the same day.

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Me too (Californian) I love Knotts!


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As for Anaheim it's in California so that's really all that needs to be said about that. ;)

Hey! Anaheim also has Knotts' Berry Farm and Medieval Times. And California is, indeed cool! It's not ALL 'Holly-weird'. Just don't go to San Francisco. Nobody sane can afford to live there.

At Knotts' the little kids kick Snoopy in the clusters, instead of Mickey. Or go north, to Six Flags' Magic Mountain, with more kinds of 'Whirl-til-you-Hurl' than Disney ever contemplated. In between, there's the Getty Art Museum. California's the only place I ever heard of where you can go Snow-skiing and Surfing on the same day.

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Me too (Californian) I love Knotts!

I had an "ex" that wouldn't shut up about places like Knotts' Berry Farm whenever the subject came up. We never did get around to going when we were together. While I was in fact poking a bit of fun at California (and by extension Californians in general) I do have legitimate reasons to actually not give a crap about Californian amusement attractions based on my life circumstances. Go figure.

Unlike when you grow up in some of the various "fly-over" states when you grow up in Orlando you can easily live without thinking California is the "coolest place" in the country. It's probably not even in the top 20 states I'd ever want to live in. Sorry, it just isn't. To be clear I'm not even saying Central Florida is perfect either - I'm just saying why would I travel 3,000 miles when I can get equivalent experiences in my own back yard?

P.S. I don't snow ski so you can keep your Earthquake-prone mountains as well. ;)

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As someone who grew up in California, but doesn't live there anymore, I loved San Diego weather :) I'd love to move back and see what it's like now.

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As someone who grew up in California, but doesn't live there anymore, I loved San Diego weather :) I'd love to move back and see what it's like now.

I spent close to a week there a couple of years ago (job related). Yes, I've actually spent quite a bit of time in several places in California over the years so my opinions about it are not just based on what I "think" it's like out there. ;)

San Diego was nice enough but it's not terribly unique; it literally reminded of places I've seen in Florida and elsewhere. To be fair one of these days I do want to go to the ComicCon there just as a sort of bucket list thing but as long as Orlando has MegaCon which easily rivals it I don't even have a pressing need to do that anytime soon. ;)

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The only reason I'm not still living in CA is that the (state) government decided to raise taxes again, and it's just not affordable.

Everyone I've talked to says San Diego is wonderful and less expensive than San Francisco. I've enjoyed every visit to San Diego.

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Yeah San Fran is ridiculously expensive. It’s all due to Silicon Valley.

Even so, housing costs everywhere have increased and many people are leaving for cheaper states.

For the 5th largest economy in the world, there is a lot that needs to be done to keep people of all classes in the state.


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The only reason I'm not still living in CA is that the (state) government decided to raise taxes again, and it's just not affordable.

Not to keep tooting Florida's horn but Florida is one of only 9 states with no state income tax. Why do you think all the "snowbirds" (old out-of-staters) like to retire here. :)

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Everyone I've talked to says San Diego is wonderful and less expensive than San Francisco. I've enjoyed every visit to San Diego.

San Francisco is a "nice to visit" kind of place but if I ever had to move to CA San Diego would be a top choice. It's basically Fort Lauderdale or Sarasota with hills.

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San Diego has the Enterprise,

San Diego has the Enterprise, last time I was there. Which is how I know ST IV was ridiculous. There is no way that non-crew could get aboard without a serious escort. They couldn't even get in sight of her. Granted a nuclear aircraft carrier is not Small. It's a floating drag-strip...

I'd say San Francisco is expensive due to location and how cramped, but desirable it is. Which was true long before Silicon Valley was a thing. Some of that is true about San Diego, as well. I prefer the mid-coast and upper San Joaquin Valley. Not as hot, or damp.

State income tax was not the issue, but gas-tax and property-tax. Bad government.

Snowbirds go to Florida because there's usually no snow there. *grin*

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San Diego has the Enterprise, last time I was there. Which is how I know ST IV was ridiculous. There is no way that non-crew could get aboard without a serious escort. They couldn't even get in sight of her. Granted a nuclear aircraft carrier is not Small. It's a floating drag-strip...

I currently live about 20 miles from Cape Canaveral and actually worked at the Air Force Station out there for a few years tracking amongst other things Shuttle launches. We now watch launches from our backyard so I have the "space" thing covered here. ;)

As for security on an aircraft carrier goes we all know movies fudge everything. The plotlines of like 95% of anything would fall apart if movies were forced to follow real life rules.

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I'd say San Francisco is expensive due to location and how cramped, but desirable it is. Which was true long before Silicon Valley was a thing. Some of that is true about San Diego, as well. I prefer the mid-coast and upper San Joaquin Valley. Not as hot, or damp.

One thing I might award California a point for is lack of humidity. It can get pretty bad here, especially in summer. On the other hand a "lack of humidity" is also a symptom of the drought-like conditions California as been suffering from lately so there's that. *shrugs*

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State income tax was not the issue, but gas-tax and property-tax. Bad government.

Taxes suck wherever you have to pay them. Apparently Florida still makes enough from tourists and hotel/resort taxes to be able to avoid imposing super-high gas/property type taxes on the people who actually live here. We do have a sales tax (which is 6% in most places) but beyond that it's still pretty tax-friendly overall.

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Snowbirds go to Florida because there's usually no snow there. *grin*

Once you get south of Gainesville (into Central/South Florida) it basically -never- snows. In my lifetime there was a time or two during winter where you might have been able to see snow falling in the air over Central Florida for a few minutes but it never stuck on the ground. When I was a kid it could often get down to like 20ºF but in the last 10-20 years it was considered amazing if it ever got below freezing. Good thing global warming is a hoax...

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As a native Californian (who no longer lives there), my favorite part of the state was actually the northern coastline (Mendocino up through Crescent City). It was generally a bit cooler, but it's visually beautiful, and nowhere even remotely as crowded as the southern coastline tends to be. I was born and raised in Sacramento though, which is just about as bland and boring as you get.

I also spent a bit of time living in Florida (Pensacola), and good god no. The humidity just killed me. I don't know how people can stand it. (I suppose if you grow up there you're simply used to it, just like I'm used to the dry heat of a central valley summer.)

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I also spent a bit of time living in Florida (Pensacola), and good god no. The humidity just killed me. I don't know how people can stand it. (I suppose if you grow up there you're simply used to it, just like I'm used to the dry heat of a central valley summer.)

Yeah I was born in and probably spent about 40+ years of my life in Florida so I guess you can say I'm used to it. Ironically the humidity here actually makes the tiny bit of winter we get unexpectedly worse as well. I've felt colder here (with the wet air) when it's like 40°F than when I spent a few winters in Rochester, NY when it was like -20°F and dry as a bone.

Truth be told Pensacola is sort of the "armpit" of the state in terms of dampness. I live on the east coast of Florida and we get the sea breezes from the Atlantic which makes this part of the state a bit better humidity-wise. Of course we also have this little invention we call Air Conditioning. Works pretty well. ;)

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Who owns a house? That's rich people stuff there :p

Getting pretty pricey up here in Seattle as well; sometimes it seems at least some of the fault is from all the Californians who find things up here are a bargain compared to father south.

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OathboundOne wrote:
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I also spent a bit of time living in Florida (Pensacola), and good god no. The humidity just killed me. I don't know how people can stand it. (I suppose if you grow up there you're simply used to it, just like I'm used to the dry heat of a central valley summer.)

Heh.
I've spent most of my life "next door" in Mobile, AL.
I went to San Diego ComicCon a few years ago and everyone was complaining about the brutal heat...85°F with about 20% humidity.
I laughed :P

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I also spent a bit of time living in Florida (Pensacola), and good god no. The humidity just killed me. I don't know how people can stand it. (I suppose if you grow up there you're simply used to it, just like I'm used to the dry heat of a central valley summer.)

Heh.
I've spent most of my life "next door" in Mobile, AL.
I went to San Diego ComicCon a few years ago and everyone was complaining about the brutal heat...85°F with about 20% humidity.
I laughed :P

Oh yeah, San Diego is beautiful and temperate basically all year 'round (avg highs are literally 60s and 70s year round). I was born and raised in Sacramento, where summers fairly regularly break the 100s and sometimes the 110s (but with fortunately low humidity). 85 would seem high for them, but quite cool for a summer day for other parts of the state.

Many people, even many Californians themselves, don't really grasp just how large and diverse California actually is. It has at least small regions of nearly every climate type from subtropical to subarctic. Popular belief of California tends to focus on the southern coastal region exclusively, which I guess makes sense given that that is where Hollywood is.

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I assure you, California DOES

I assure you, California DOES have four seasons. They are Earthquake Season, Fire Season, Mud Season, and 'Hollywood'.

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I assure you, California DOES have four seasons. They are Earthquake Season, Fire Season, Mud Season, and 'Hollywood'.

Florida (at least Central Florida) really only has two seasons. We have Summer and about two weeks in January when it tries its best to get below 40-ish and freaks everyone out enough to make people dress like we're having an arctic blizzard. Technically we do also have Hurricane Season but that's basically just a subset of Summer here.

I think the main thing that helps California have a bunch of different types of climates is the fact that California is three dimensional. It has mountains and valleys which makes the weather actually do different things in different places. On the other hand Florida is uniformly probably one of the flattest states in the union (unless you count our sinkholes). We even have places euphemistically named like "Mount Dora" that are geographically flatter than a pancake. Our highest natural elevation above sea level (345 feet) is supposedly the "lowest high point" of all 50 states. Considering that high point is only 2 miles from Alabama gives you an idea that most of the rest of the state is far lower than that. ;)

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Agreed. I think that has a

Agreed. I think that has a lot to do with it. None of the states I've lived in (Florida, Delaware, Kentucky and now Iowa) have even come close to California geographically. That's not to say that they don't have their own charms (Iowa is a lot less flat than I had always imagined, for instance), but they tend to be very samey across large portions of their area.

California conversely has both the highest point in the lower 48 (Mount Whitney) and the lowest point in North America (death valley), which are ironically less than 100 miles apart.

EDIT: How exactly did this transform from an Star Trek/Orville thread to a state climate thread? lol

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How exactly did this transform from an Star Trek/Orville thread to a state climate thread? lol

Eh, most threads usually wander off into the weeds eventually but why this one is sticking to this topic is a bit of a mystery.

I'm mostly just waiting around to see if Fox is going to be smart for a change and NOT cancel a well-loved sci-fi show while it's still popular. The Orville's already lasted twice as long as Firefly...

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Lothic wrote:
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How exactly did this transform from an Star Trek/Orville thread to a state climate thread? lol

Eh, most threads usually wander off into the weeds eventually but why this one is sticking to this topic is a bit of a mystery.

I'm mostly just waiting around to see if Fox is going to be smart for a change and NOT cancel a well-loved sci-fi show while it's still popular. The Orville's already lasted twice as long as Firefly...

There’s Firefly but there’s also The X-Files. I’m hoping this show is more like The X-Files and will have 11 seasons and maybe a couple of movies.

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Atama wrote:
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How exactly did this transform from an Star Trek/Orville thread to a state climate thread? lol

Eh, most threads usually wander off into the weeds eventually but why this one is sticking to this topic is a bit of a mystery.

I'm mostly just waiting around to see if Fox is going to be smart for a change and NOT cancel a well-loved sci-fi show while it's still popular. The Orville's already lasted twice as long as Firefly...

There’s Firefly but there’s also The X-Files. I’m hoping this show is more like The X-Files and will have 11 seasons and maybe a couple of movies.

Well I don't know about 11 full seasons but at least (as of May 11th) we got word that The Orville was renewed for a third season! We're going to have to wait until 2020 but at least we're going to have more eps to look forward to.

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Lothic wrote:
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How exactly did this transform from an Star Trek/Orville thread to a state climate thread? lol

Eh, most threads usually wander off into the weeds eventually but why this one is sticking to this topic is a bit of a mystery.

I'm mostly just waiting around to see if Fox is going to be smart for a change and NOT cancel a well-loved sci-fi show while it's still popular. The Orville's already lasted twice as long as Firefly...

There’s Firefly but there’s also The X-Files. I’m hoping this show is more like The X-Files and will have 11 seasons and maybe a couple of movies.

Well I don't know about 11 full seasons but at least (as of May 11th) we got word that The Orville was renewed for a third season! We're going to have to wait until 2020 but at least we're going to have more eps to look forward to.

2020? That will give me a chance to get caught up on the second half of season 2...

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I know this thread was

I know this thread was originally meant to be about The Orville but also it included talking about the new CBS All Access Star Trek shows as well so I'll just "repurpose" it to mention that they released a teaser trailer for the upcoming Picard-based series:

Not sure what to make of this given how bad Star Trek Discovery turned out to be. On the other hand this trailer has been viewed 2.5 million times in less than a week so apparently there's -some- interest in this show.

I suppose there's always a chance this Picard thing could have been interesting; perhaps they could have gone back through all the old TNG episodes and found new ways to "continue" some of those stories like they did with Wrath of Khan. I stressed the phrase "could have" because according to the wiki for the Picard show it looks like they're going to "retcon" the destruction of Romulus into Picard's past which means they are going to be mixing JJTrek nonsense into the Prime TNG timeline... *sigh*

Well maybe someone out there will be brave enough to watch this show and tell us if it'll be worth watching regardless.

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The trailer is not available

The trailer is not available on my planet but I do hope the series has some success. At the very least I hope it might randomly encourage Anovos to finish a promised run of TNG costumes. My life is so much poorer without a science captain body sock.

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