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How NOT to treat a prospective client or customer

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How NOT to treat a prospective client or customer

Not sure where to post this but it does relate to how we at Missing Worlds Media should not treat our players when they have support issues.

It should be no surprise that the staff of game companies play not only their own games but the games of other companies. It's essential for the development process and cross-fertilization of ideas. I know I courteously inform those companies of issues with their products or other matters - or try to!

Several weeks ago I attempted to create an gaming account with Nexon America to be able to play their games. I heard and read great things about their company and products. The problem began when I could not get my verification code to establish my account using my official corporate email address. After putting in a ticket the Nexon America support staff manually enabled the account but did nothing to find out what the original problem had been. All other companies I've done business with, no matter how large or small, have not had such an issue. Interesting enough I was getting replies in that very email address from their support desk (they use Zendesk software but this is not a Zendesk issue - Zendesk has been helpful). They insisted I create a new GMail or Yahoo address when I was still not getting critical emails like password reset links (which meant I was suddenly locked out of my account when I did such). The only thing my corporate email server does for a spam countermeasure is "grey listing" which is simply sending a "busy' response to a unknown emailer the first time they send a message and "white listing" them if they resend the message again. It's a method that's been around for decades and is transparent to the typical email user. After doing research and testing I reported these details to the company and warned them with the evidence was their email server was misconfigured. The help desk person NEVER escalated the issue even after I requested such and just kept demanding that I use their choices of email provider. Given that I was going to use my Steam account which also uses my corporate email address to pay for their games this was a problem. I have decided that I will not use their products until I get an apology and they actually make a genuine effort to correct their technical issues and not blame the client for their f' ups. I'll be passing this complaint on to Steam as well. My advice is to boycott any company that is so arrogant as to dictate my basic communication channels when their own system is clearly broken. And, yes, near the end of my communications my language did become a bit more "salty". Those who have seen my previous posts know I'm not easily driven into unjustified anger and I try to be helpful and informative. For me to take this step means I think the gaming community should be informed and that Missing Worlds Media, Inc. should be consious of who our help staff are and what they are doing - or NOT doing - for our people.

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There is a point where anger

There is a point where anger is justified, so long as it's not directed at people who don't deserve it. Well done for sticking with this as long as you did, but I can't say I'm super surprised; my understanding is that Nexon has a few somewhat shady business practices.

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Sounds like a classic case of

Sounds like a classic case of poor training and/or a corporate culture in which escalating issues/concerns receive a negative response when a solution is available, even if that solution is a poor answer or doesn't actually address the customer's needs. That leads to this kind of situation: a customer support person telling the customer what they want (or need) rather than helping/supporting the customer.

I also try not to get upset at such people because they've got their script to follow and, more importantly, they're not responsible for the problems and they can't actually do anything but help to fix common/basic problems. However, if they stonewall me or commit that greatest mistake of telling me what I want/need[color=red]*[/color] without doing something as straightforward as escalating the issue, I also tend to lose my reticence about becoming "loud".

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[color=red]*[/color] Let's face it, sometimes this is necessary and what the customer needs, but it's very rare that the best approach is to declare, "No, what you need is..."

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RE: "not sure where to post

RE: "not sure where to post this"

My advice? Don't post things like that. At all. Send it via email to the MWM team and discuss it internally. Do NOT post criticism of how competitors (and remember, if you're going to be working as part of a gaming company, that's what Nexon's going to be - a competitor) handle customer support on your company's forums. It looks extremely unprofessional. I would have zero issue with this coming from someone outside of MWM, but as part of the team, you have to start thinking of yourself as a representative of the company.

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I kind of agree with

I kind of agree with WraithTDK. You were treated very badly true, and you have every right to complain as an individual . Doing so as a member of MWM and a representative of said organization you are no longer speaking as an Individual. By using Nexon name you focused on that one business. Sure again as an individual that isn't just your right it's a duty to ensure quality and such. But having that MWM logo under your name people could see it as Missing Worlds Media badmouthing Nexon.

(yes they deserve all the bad mouthing that's not the point.)

From another perspective, you see someone badmouthing McDonald's burgers. Okay, so that one person don't like them he's just voicing his view. Put that same man in a Burger King manager outfit and then suddenly it's Burger King attacking McDonalds. Or some rich white fellow had a habit of saying odd things, his comments might be sexist or racist but who cares its a free nation with free speech. It was even funny to watch him fight with Rosie O'Donnell. Now he's running for President and Now his comments are taking criticism. Why because the President is a representative of the whole population of the U.S. By himself he has free speech but as a representative of everyone the rules change. (please note I gave no mention of his views just how his comments can be taken offensively by some. Please don't take this as political. Just an example how an Individual vs a Rep.)

Perhaps next time doesn't mention the name of the company or organization. "I had an incident with a company thought I won't name names their customer service needs major work. Here at Missing Worlds Media are not just learning from our past but our experience. I will strive to make sure such bad treatment will not happen on my watch here at MWM." as an example. We get what you mean just such speech won't seem as an attack at someone else. (Even if they deserve it!)

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RottenLuck wrote:
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I kind of agree with WraithTDK. You were treated very badly true, and you have every right to complain as an individual . Doing so as a member of MWM and a representative of said organization you are no longer speaking as an Individual. By using Nexon name you focused on that one business. Sure again as an individual that isn't just your right it's a duty to ensure quality and such. But having that MWM logo under your name people could see it as Missing Worlds Media badmouthing Nexon.
(yes they deserve all the bad mouthing that's not the point.)
From another perspective, you see someone badmouthing McDonald's burgers. Okay, so that one person don't like them he's just voicing his view. Put that same man in a Burger King manager outfit and then suddenly it's Burger King attacking McDonalds. Or some rich white fellow had a habit of saying odd things, his comments might be sexist or racist but who cares its a free nation with free speech. It was even funny to watch him fight with Rosie O'Donnell. Now he's running for President and Now his comments are taking criticism. Why because the President is a representative of the whole population of the U.S. By himself he has free speech but as a representative of everyone the rules change. (please note I gave no mention of his views just how his comments can be taken offensively by some. Please don't take this as political. Just an example how an Individual vs a Rep.)
Perhaps next time doesn't mention the name of the company or organization. "I had an incident with a company thought I won't name names their customer service needs major work. Here at Missing Worlds Media are not just learning from our past but our experience. I will strive to make sure such bad treatment will not happen on my watch here at MWM." as an example. We get what you mean just such speech won't seem as an attack at someone else. (Even if they deserve it!)

Well, this was a tough call. I did this as an individual. It wasn't a bash at the company itself but about how a particular employee acted. I've actually tried to find other channels to bypass this particular roadblock to let the upper management know as a professional courtesy. I posted here as a lesson as to what we should not do as a company. Should I have used the company name? Yes. In fact I used this posting to record what had happened to pass it on to that company so they had a quick reference about what had occured. I had to reveal my background and technical abilities to some degree and needed a way to verify that information. Posting here did that. In fact one of the issues was that the agent was asked about "whitelisting" my MWM domain of my email. He responded they only whitelisted "corporate domains". Umm... So evidence was also needed to show that my email address is corporate. In short I had to show that the employee in question was being given very substantial information about the issue and was simply not passing it on to the proper parties. I didn't "bad mouth" the company, I didn't bad mouth their products. I had a specific complaint about their customer support system. This is critical to all public facing organizations. Please note I didn't identify the particular employee. Also this industry isn't as competitive as a lot of others and a lot of sharing and mutal support is going on behind the scenes. For example recently Square Enix just plugged an indie game company's Kickstarter in their player newletter. (I need to dig that up and plug it myself probably). The community manager and I have had recent friendly exchanges on Twitter. Why? Because the skill set to create great games is a specialized one and people hop from company to company. Building a network of contacts is a must and cordial relationships are important in the industry. Letting each other know of bad actors is also important.

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I for one am glad someone at

I for one am glad someone at MWM actually is on the record about getting the customer service right in specific ways that might affect me as a player in the future. I don't care what other game is being mentioned or what happened, I'm just glad someone at MWM is looking at stuff like this saying "NOT US, NO WAY."

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Don't get me wrong I'm all

Don't get me wrong I'm all for speaking up for bad treatment.

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Radiac wrote:
Radiac wrote:

I for one am glad someone at MWM actually is on the record about getting the customer service right in specific ways that might affect me as a player in the future. I don't care what other game is being mentioned or what happened, I'm just glad someone at MWM is looking at stuff like this saying "NOT US, NO WAY."

Gotta agree with you on that point. I have dealt with so many terrible customer service people over the years, it's generally both a surprise and a delight when one is actually helpful, and it greatly aids the longevity of a game for me.

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I actually DO phone support

I actually DO phone support customer service/tech support/billing for a non-gaming product right now ... and a week ago someone who called in was overjoyed and effusive in their praise of me, saying that I not only sounded intelligent and articulate, but also that I didn't sound like I'd been eating potatoes(!).

As I like to tell people when they're appreciative, "We make every pretense of competency around here."

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Redlynne wrote:
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As I like to tell people when they're appreciative, "We make every pretense of competency around here."

I rarely have to deal with people directly in my current job but I need to remember this line!

"I don't think you understand the gravity of your situation."