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Forum glitch?

I got that periodic 'log back in', and had to reset my password. Once I returned I noticed that most, if not all, the links to vids on YouTube, for example, no longer showed up. I tried to create a new message with one, but could not get the code to work at all. Has something "belched" in the system and changed things since earlier today?

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Bug caught and smooshed. Good

Bug caught and smooshed. Good catch, citizen!

(Also, in the future, please copy & paste the URL to where you saw the problem...)

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Ah, so that's what got you

Ah, so that's what got you the Dev badge! Conga Ratz!

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Foradain wrote:
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Ah, so that's what got you the Dev badge! Conga Ratz!

LOL nope, I got that badge because of the CSS overhaul I proposed back on Super Bowl Sunday. Moving the site to HTTPS was just the first thing they got me to do.

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The Q&A thread in the FAQ

The Q&A thread in the FAQ section and the Videos thread in the Media section had YT videos linked, and every one of them appears blank to me. Not sure if this is related to that last bug or not.

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Hooray for the forums being

Hooray for the forums being back up!

Incidentally, the video links referenced above still do not appear for me at all.

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Dark Ether wrote:
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Hooray for the forums being back up!
Incidentally, the video links referenced above still do not appear for me at all.

They are appearing for me, odd.

Which browser are you on, so I can try and reproduce the issue?

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I'm using Pale Moon, which is

I'm using Pale Moon, which is essentially open source Firefox.

I'll try using IE and see what I can see, as well.

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Dark Ether wrote:
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Hooray for the forums being back up!
Incidentally, the video links referenced above still do not appear for me at all.

They work fine for me. (Runs back to main forum)

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I tried IE (ugh) and can see

I tried IE (ugh) and can see the vids linked fine there. The only link I can see in the Media section with all the CoH videos is, oddly, the Dr Tyche post of the Stan & Lou stuff.

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I've posted this issue over

I've posted this issue over on the Pale Moon forums to see if anyone can offer help from there. I don't know if they updated a setting or something that would affect the bb-code linked YT videos.

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The latest we can determine

The latest we can determine is that YT/Google/etc has changed the way linked flash embedded videos are handled, as it appears to have affected a number of people with open source browsers and to a lesser extent Firefox and maybe a touch with IE, but has zero problems with Chrome (huge shocker there!).

As the videos in the Media section in the old CoH vids topic were nearly all deprecated ("The You Tube Flash API was officially deprecated on January 27, 2015"), I don't know if there's a connection there, as I can still see the Stan & Lou post.

I'm continuing to look in to it, but as long as Google/You Tube can do something that might in some way drive people to use their browser, I'm sure they will continue to do so. And I'll continue to be more determined to use something else.

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Dark Ether wrote:
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I'm continuing to look in to it, but as long as Google/You Tube can do something that might in some way drive people to use their browser, I'm sure they will continue to do so. And I'll continue to be more determined to use something else.

Fight on my good feline friend, continue your efforts against this fiendish mega company. I salute you. (salutes while running off)

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Dark Ether, the current

Dark Ether, the current BBCode template for YouTube embeds uses the object/param/embed tag stack, which IMHO is kind of ugly but worked. (Things were mostly done that way to appease Internet Explorer.)

Meanwhile, when I go on YouTube itself, pick a video, and click "Share" then "Embed", it gives iframe code. Could you look over there and confirm that the iframe method works on your browser?

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Picked a random vid from recommendations, and when I click on 'embed', I get this link:

< iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://cityoftitans.com/%3Ca%20href%3D"https://www.youtube.com/embed/t62bwKxiGq0">https://www.youtube.com/embed/t62bwKxiGq0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen>< /iframe>

(spaces inserted)

I'm not sure what you thought I would find there, or if I should try and used the entire embed code inserted into a youtube bb-code, or what.

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Dark Ether wrote:
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I'm not sure what you thought I would find there, or if I should try and used the entire embed code inserted into a youtube bb-code, or what.

Under the embed code is "SHOW MORE". Click it and it should show a preview of the embed. If you can't see *that* preview on your browser, you won't see it here either after I switch out code to the iframe version, and need to take it up with the browser developers.

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Okay, I did that for a video

Okay, I did that for a video on YT, and can see it fine. That could explain why I can still see YT links on various news sites and some other places. Thanks for your help!

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I'm no longer able to view

I'm no longer able to view videos in IE11. I just see big white spaces. They work in Chrome, when I'm willing to wait for that browser to boot up.

Also, would it be possible to put the focus into the userid field on the login page so that we can just start typing when we go there?

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Now with seriously borken

Now with seriously borken Menus at the top... using FF on WinX. They appear to be running a narrow fixed-width and not adapting to content.

Edit: Okay, only seeing this on some pages, while others are well spread out. 'Guides' is still pinched, internally, though.

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It's not a 'glitch' exactly,

It's not a 'glitch' exactly, but the current forum software really can't handle multiple nested quotes. For example, this is the usual result:

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Dark Ether wrote:
I'm not sure what you thought I would find there, or if I should try and used the entire embed code inserted into a youtube bb-code, or what.
Under the embed code is "SHOW MORE". Click it and it should show a preview of the embed. If you can't see *that* preview on your browser, you won't see it here either after I switch out code to the iframe version, and need to take it up with the browser developers.

Which doesn't Work!

I always end up editing the code like this:

Lin Chiao Feng wrote:
Dark Ether wrote:

I'm not sure what you thought I would find there, or if I should try and used the entire embed code inserted into a youtube bb-code, or what.

Under the embed code is "SHOW MORE". Click it and it should show a preview of the embed. If you can't see *that* preview on your browser, you won't see it here either after I switch out code to the iframe version, and need to take it up with the browser developers.

Which does work. And the coding is much simpler, too. Unfortunately, the [ notag ] code doesn't seem to work, or I'd show it. It's just nested [ quote = name ] codes.

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Cinnder wrote:
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I'm no longer able to view videos in IE11. I just see big white spaces. They work in Chrome, when I'm willing to wait for that browser to boot up.

That's probably the same bug Dark Ether is seeing. Try going to YouTube, pick a video, click "Share" then "Embed" then "Show More" and see if the video appears under "Preview". If so, then that will be fixed as soon as we get the next web server upgrade rolled out (which should fix some other things, like allowing Unicode characters beyond the "basic multilingual plane", i.e. emoji).

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Also, would it be possible to put the focus into the userid field on the login page so that we can just start typing when we go there?

It's possible. Should just be a line of JavaScript. I haven't figured out where that line goes so it doesn't try to autofocus on a login field on every page, for example. Or maybe that line is there but broken by something else, so I have to find and fix the something else. So no ETA, sorry.

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Now with seriously borken Menus at the top... using FF on WinX. They appear to be running a narrow fixed-width and not adapting to content.

That's been busted for a while, sorry. It's just more noticeable now with the rearranged menus and the new level of submenus.

IIRC there's more than one set of menu code actually running here which is why you're seeing different results on different pages. It's on my cleanup list; busted menus are embarrassing!

Fireheart wrote:

It's not a 'glitch' exactly, but the current forum software really can't handle multiple nested quotes. For example, this is the usual result:

It used to work! But then (years ago) spammers found an exploit, hacks were made to the forum code to get them out, and in the process quotes (and the [code] block) got busted. And since then, the devs have focused on the actual game (a.k.a. why you're all here), so it's stayed like that. Perverse incentives, amirite?

That bug's looking like a doozy. It might be so-so difficulty to fix the behavior for new posts, but we may never be able to fix existing ones without corrupting them (data integrity is paramount!). So, sorry, don't hold your breath.

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Lin Chiao Feng wrote:
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That bug's looking like a doozy. It might be so-so difficulty to fix the behavior for new posts, but we may never be able to fix existing ones without corrupting them (data integrity is paramount!). So, sorry, don't hold your breath.

No, I wouldn't expect you to re-write the entire contents of the forum! That would be silly!

I'd be perfectly happy with the forum working as intended, going forward. I think the issue is in how the forum engine re-writes posts - lots of empty/redundant html in the place of BBCode. Which it then fails to parse correctly in quotes.

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Oh, there's definitely

Oh, there's definitely something rewriting things. The rub is whether it's doing that on the way into the database or coming back out.

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Ticket: Change Submission

Ticket: Change Submission Request

In every Forum, at the bottom there is the Forum Tools pull-down menu (that works just fine). Move it to the top the the post list instead of keeping it at the bottom.


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Redlynne wrote:
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Ticket: Change Submission Request

Not a forum glitch. Make it its own topic.

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I am having to log-in to the

I am having to log-in to the forum (seemingly) every time I visit. I visit regularly (sometimes hourly) so I find this surprising. I'm not logging-out from the forums. Before, I'd go weeks between log-ins.

Has something changed? Is it Me?

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Fireheart wrote:
Fireheart wrote:

I am having to log-in to the forum (seemingly) every time I visit. I visit regularly (sometimes hourly) so I find this surprising. I'm not logging-out from the forums. Before, I'd go weeks between log-ins.
Has something changed? Is it Me?
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Not just you. I'm checking into the site less frequently now due to that issue.

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same thing started happening

same thing started happening to me about three days ago or so as well.


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Update: Okay, it's doing

Update: Okay, it's doing this when I restart my computer/browser. As long as everything is 'on', then the forums don't forget me.

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Yes, I've noticed that I've

Yes, I've noticed that I've had to log in a few times lately. It is as if the cookie for that now expires each time the computer is rebooted or some such.

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Might it have to do with the

Might it have to do with the use of https instead of plain http?

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Doctor Tyche wrote:
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Might it have to do with the use of https instead of plain http?

For what it's worth I'm glad you started using https not only for general site security but for my own selfish needs as well.

To keep a long story short I work roughly half the year as a civilian contractor on-board ships operated by, well let's just say various branches of the US military. While at sea we have access to the net for personal uses (via NIPRNet) but because it's all O&M'd by the DoD the security is incredibly tight and they restrict access to a huge number of websites (compared to typical commercial ISPs) that most people might otherwise consider 100% uncontroversial. Unfortunately the City of Titans website has been on this "verboten" list for the better part of a year now. It was likely flagged as "suspect" back when you had those security troubles some months ago and it hasn't been unflagged since.

Perhaps now that you've upgraded to using https you'll be taken off their naughty list and I'll be able to post again the next time I'm at sea.

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I've not run into this, yet.

I've not run into this, yet. I frequently access on my work computer which is restarted nightly.

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I have used https for a few

I have used https for a few years now every chance I get, including on FB, Discord, Amazon, Sideshow, Paradox forums, YT, and others, and have not noticed them being logged out on each restart/reboot.

I'm going to look into what the cookies are doing and be sure they're not set to clear on this forum for some odd reason or other.

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I can't see where I have

I can't see where I have anything deleting cookies without me telling it to do so. I did check the console and am getting this error:

Timestamp: 4/13/2017 4:47:46 PM
Error: TypeError: $.browser is undefined
Source File: https://cityoftitans.com/sites/all/themes/adaptivetheme/at_core/scripts/menu-toggle.js?oo1lp8
Line: 5

I actually have that same type of error 5 times since my last computer restart and returning here to log back in. There are several warnings as well.

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Guys, check your bookmarks to

Guys, check your bookmarks to make sure they say https. If it says http, we redirect you to https, but your browser might not trust the cookies we've set and clear them. (If you know how to on your browser, please see if the cookies you get on one run are still there on the next.)

I'm not having this problem myself, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

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Dark Ether wrote:
Dark Ether wrote:

I can't see where I have anything deleting cookies without me telling it to do so. I did check the console and am getting this error:
Timestamp: 4/13/2017 4:47:46 PM
Error: TypeError: $.browser is undefined
Source File: https://cityoftitans.com/sites/all/themes/adaptivetheme/at_core/scripts/menu-toggle.js?oo1lp8
Line: 5
I actually have that same type of error 5 times since my last computer restart and returning here to log back in. There are several warnings as well.

Oh yay. $.browser has been deprecated forever, and removed from jQuery a version ago, yet our site's theme framework uses it. >_<

That code has nothing to do with cookies or logins; it just decides when to switch to mobile-sized menus. In short, it's a bug but I doubt it's this bug.

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I have 5 cookies for

I have 5 cookies for cityoftitans.com listed, 2 of which show as expiring at the end of session: one is named has_js (host: cityoftitans.com, Send for Any type of connection) and the other SSESS5b005eb89adf79b31c8a3044dbf92fab (Domain: .cityoftitans.com, Send for Encrypted connections only).

This may be one of the other cookies, but I also noticed that after reading a recent post in a thread that I will later on get the notification that there's a new post in that thread. It ends up being the one I read earlier.

There is also one named _gat that shows it will expire April 13, 2017 at 4:44:29 PM, Send for Any Type Connection.

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Interesting. I have this

Interesting. I have this login persistence problem on my home PC (same version of chrome AFAIK) I've checked and fixed the http vs https in the bookmark. It's not just when restarting or closing the browser. Closing the tab is enough to log me out.

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I've noticed the same thing

I've noticed the same thing recently.

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And my login is persisting

And my login is persisting just fine... aaargh...

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The bane of all technical

The bane of all technical support people. Clearly it's Elmer Season.

Well, I'm currently only having to log in once a day, so that's not too bad.

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Just had to restart my

Just had to restart my computer, and log in again, but I remembered to check cookies before I did so, and then immediately afterwards. The cookie named SSESS5b005eb89adf79b31c8a3044dbf92fab is the one that appeared after login, and it is set to expire at the end of the current session.

Domain: .cityoftitans.com (with the leading period)
Path: /
Send For: Encrypted connections only

(The has_js is the only other one to expire at end of session, although the _gat cookie is set to expire shortly after I logged in, as in it shows expiration 9 minutes ago.)

I am using https for my connection to the site, as was I before.

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Ah yay, not reproducible

Ah yay, not reproducible because my cookie was old and hadn't expired yet. Force relogin and there we are.

The SSESS* cookie you're looking at is the session key (hence the "encrypted connections only" bit). And it seems to have fallen back to some default of "expire with session."

The has_js cookie just tells the site if you have JavaScript enabled, so it can still generate a working page if not. No big deal.

I've changed the expiration setting back to the 23-ish days I think we had before. Should take effect on your next login. This setting can be overridden in the privacy settings of your browser, so make sure it's not showing too much initiative.

Let me know if it's still broken.

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It's now expiring May 8th, so

It's now expiring May 8th, so that seems to have solved that issue. Thanks! Hopefully there's nothing else to find and we're all set!

(I figured the js was java script, but thought it odd that it expired immediately, essentially.)

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