I have great memories of CoH just everyone else. Made great friends and all that stuff. But I must say it is very strange reading posts in a lot of the groups. While there are some there that are looking forward and hopeful of the upcoming super hero games, it seems they are not mentioned much at all. So many good folks there living in the past. The 3 upcoming hero games are made by people just like us all here. Players who miss "our" game. And people on all 3 games are working very hard to give us back what was taken from us. I have never done the Paragon chat thing. Not my thing. I miss teaming and the challenge with other folks. This post is not to disrespect anyone in those groups, it is really not. But it makes me worry for the upcoming games. Will a lot of former CoH'ers simply choose to live in Paragon chat and not support the hard work of the devs of the upcoming games? We all agree the community was one (if not "The") things that made CoH one of a kind. But if only a few former CoH'ers come along to the next gen game, and don't bring that community, then the games in the future will only attract people who don't know what a great community is. This is not an angry post.....it is a sad one.
Mon, 04/09/2018 - 08:07
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You have to figure there will be a least a few people who'll chose to stay "in the past" as you say (by for example staying in Paragon chat and not trying any of the spiritual successors). But I have to assume enough of the "old school" people will at least try the new games and eventually most will move forward.
The main thing I actually wonder about is whether the current three main successor projects will each have a big enough playerbase to be individually sustainable or if perhaps after a few years we'll see one or two of them fade away and be essentially absorbed by the final one standing. I know the Devs of MWM still don't like to talk in those terms but the realist in me doesn't see the long term probability of there being "multiple" spiritual successors forever to be all that likely. I really do expect that by the end there "will be only one". Call it the Highlander Principal if you wish.
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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Lothic I do unfortunately agree. When the dust settles, one will probably rise to the top. I do have my preferences of the 3 that I would like to see be the "one", and I will either already be playing that one, or will go there when that happens. Regarding my post, I just think it is sad that some wont support the hard work of some that feel the same loss we do. I at least want a large part of former players, so we can have the community we had. (We can weed out the newer players that dont get it.) Now there is talk of a server that can be used to bring back old MMOs. And so many former CoH'ers are tweeterpated over the idea. As for me, I won't go back. I choose to move forward.
The major problem I have with the idea of resurrecting a CoH server is that even if the game is completely identical to the game that got shutdown in November 2012 the chances of getting our original characters back at this point is effectively nil. I spent many thousands of hours collecting badges on several main characters and the idea of "starting over" again is basically unthinkable.
If I'm going to have to "start at square one" again I might as well start over in new game (based on current tech instead of tech that's now 15+ years old) that at least has the potential to last for many years. Since MWM in particular is planning to allow their players to run their own private servers it pretty much guarantees that CoT will "last forever" even if MWM eventually shuts down.
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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Wait, people are still using Facebook?
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I haven't kept up with the other successor projects like I could have, but I think the community here is every bit as special as we had in CoH.
I also believe that having a good core community at launch will help it grow as new players join.
I'm personally just hoping for a [i]good[/i] launch followed by slow steady growth rather than a huge explosion of players right away.
I was playing SWTOR from beta and it grew so fast EA couldn't keep up leading to some reactionary decisions which pissed off a lot of people (well, [i]me[/i], but I'm pretty sure I wasn't alone) to the point I quit and never looked back.
The realist in me concedes that Lothic is probably right but the optimist in me plans to be playing CoT till I enter a nursing home while following the development of the Spiritual Successor to [i]this[/i] game!
"I don't think you understand the gravity of your situation."
I agree with you Rigel on pretty much everything you said same with the others too. I would rather go forward with the new incarnation as I believe it will have tremendous potential for growth over time and hopefully a cleaner build than COH had become.
Got to give it to you Lothic every once in a while you churn out a great concept, “Call it the Highlander Principal if you wish.” This is a brilliant way to put it, having said that there are still more variants out there at the moment that I can’t stand than I would have suspected to survive so long. So I guess it is hard to say what will happen, but I don’t think anyone on the paragon chat won’t come out and play at least one if not all the spiritual successors that arrive on scene.
After all I wouldn’t consider anything else that’s playable right now anything worth getting too excited about. By that I mean Marvel, CO, etc.
"A sad spectacle. If they be inhabited, what a scope for misery and folly. If they be not inhabited, what a waste of space." ~ Thomas Carlyle
And even a broken clock is right twice a day... ;)
To be clear it's not that I would want most of the multiple successor projects to necessarily fail and of course it's always possible they will -all- succeed for a long time. Just that all things being equal it's simply probable that eventually one of these projects will become "more equal" than the rest.
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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Totally agree!
"A sad spectacle. If they be inhabited, what a scope for misery and folly. If they be not inhabited, what a waste of space." ~ Thomas Carlyle
I think what you need to keep in mind is that, primarily, the COH Facebook groups weren't created just to talk about the successor projects - they were created so the COH community could stay in touch with each other and discuss any/all things related to the game (whether that be other COH-like games + the successor projects, movies/TV shows, things going on in Paragon Chat, articles/posts that make mention of the game on third party sites, etc.). I don't think that just b/c you might not be seeing lots of CoT or Valiance talk in FB groups like CoH Survivors then that automatically means that the majority of the people in the group aren't interested in the new titles. That's just not one of the bigger reasons as to why the groups were created in the first place.
I'm definitely a hardcore COH'er, through and through - but I think we need to change the narrative used to describe players like me being 'stuck in the past', or that I'm 'not supporting' these new projects just b/c I'd rather have COH re-released than try my hand at a new game. I will deeeefinitely be playing CoT when it comes out (willing to give it the 'ol college try), and I really do hope it's a success! I agree w/ Lothic in that one of these new titles will probably inch out in the lead after everyone's had time to test everything, as there is only so much room in the community for so many different games (unless the community can grow in some way, which is possible... but I wouldn't put my money on it). But, the realist in me knows that the 'special-ness' of COH cannot be replicated in another game. And I don't think that's the mentality of someone who is living in the past.. I just think it's honest? *shrugs*
Also... I call BS on all those players who are like "Ohhh I wouldn't play again if I had to start from scratch..." YEEEEAH RIIIIIIGHT ;) ;) ;) You'd come back eventually if by some miracle they got everything back up and running. Quit playin!
This is the tough reality of MMOs and online games unfortunately. It would be quite a boon to the player base to allow for an "offline" client, so you could at least keep what you worked so hard to obtain even years after a game shut down.
Even with how broken it was, if Marvel Heroes Omega allowed for offline play, I'd probably still pop in and play it from time to time.
I had around 30+ alts in CoH that I spent more than just a couple of hours on. Out of those I had maybe 4 or 5 "main" alts that I spent maybe more than 1,000+ hours each on. After that I had my two "top mains" that I used as badging characters. Those two characters both had around 1390+ badges each which took 10,000+ hours to achieve for each of them.
So sure if somehow CoH was magically relaunched today in a completely playable form I'd probably at least log in and maybe spend a few minutes recreating a few characters for old time's sake. But no, beyond that I can promise you without a shred of doubt that I would [b]never even dream[/b] of re-investing all the time I spent with that wonderful game to restore my old characters to their former glory. I'd much rather spend a new chunk of 10,000 or 20,000 hours on a game that at the very least was made some time during this last decade. ;)
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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