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Excited, but not..

I really do not know how to approach this topic because I know that secrecy is important not only because of other fan made games in development but the of other titles like Champions and DC online who could be watching as well. With that in mind here goes, with some updates here and there I am getting really good vision of what the world setting is. However I find myself suddenly brought back to reality after a few days and then confronted with the minor details like "origins" or motivation or why are things happening.

Example I read somewhere(not sure if was this game) that there was no "event" that started the universe. Now this troubled me because I am a big fan of mutants(thus the name) since I picked up my first X-Men comic 25 years ago. I question how things got started, and how people get powers in this universe. Is it the whole DC thing with a dormant meta-gene that everyone has and waits til something activates it? I mean could a Luthor like villain come up to you and hits you with chemicals and bee sting you gain super strength? Is this the only way to be come super powered? I would really like to see mutants in the game with a real back story with them that how they came into being and do they have the problems (unlike the mutants in City of Heroes have) with society.

Will there be aliens since there is a saucer in town? And is it a real UFO or a prop? Will we see invasions? nuff said on them.

With Anthem, who is she? Why is she the flagship hero? How did she get her powers, what are your powers? And why should we rally behind her? Is she the classic SS/Invul who flies? Is she like Captain Marvel(Carol Danvers) or a Wonder Woman type hero?

Like I said I really do not know how to properly ask for information on a game that is not in beta yet, and I do respect that you need to keep things on the D.L. But if you could give a little more info on "origins" if there is any. And the other minor stuff would be great. Just want to keep the excitement longer than a few days.

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I'm a big fan of world

I'm a big fan of world building and such background information, so I feel with you.

MWM has repeatedly stated that leaving as much open to the players as possible (up to and including the animations our characters will use) is important to them. Thus I doubt that there will be some kind of "and then the meteorite exploded and, lo, there were mutants" event. It will be completely up to each player to decide how their character became super, be it a bee hopped up on drugs or a sentient knitting needle hiding in their underwear.

That said, I would love to know if supers have 'always' been around (e.g. Egyptian / Greek / Babylonian / Hindu gods or avatars), if gods (assuming they exist in some fashion) are something completely different and the PCs are as powerful as supers can get, etc., etc., etc.

MWM has also stated that while Anthem & Co will the flagship / face of CoT*, they will not be a Freedom Phalanx style group of überheroes. Our characters will be able to match, and perhaps even surpass, Anthem and her teammates.

Everything else is a matter of waiting for MWM to reveal more information.



* Actually, I am not certain if they have said this, or at least in those terms, but it seems safe to assume that is the intent.

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Darth Fez wrote:
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... Anthem & Co will be the flagship / face of CoT*, ...

I would think people that never heard of City of Heroes or City of Villains would have an expectation of City of Titans to actually have TITANS.. At least in the Posters! ;)

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What I know is pieced meal

What I know is pieced meal together from talks and posts I saw. I been involved with MWM at the start but left the project due to real life concerns.

Was there a grand event? If so it was so far back it was prehistoric. Throughout history there been stories of superbeings be them GODS or champions. In the CoT universe Hercules was real, Paul Bunyan and his blue Ox was real, those old stories of undead rising happened. Was there one singular event that caused the powers to appear maybe, but it was so long ago it might have even started the entire human race. It wasn't just humans that are affected as well. Those stories of animals with powers like the folktales of cats with nine lives... happened. Yes in the CoT universe the original TITANS might been real as well just we might have forgotten details.

Throughout history there been times of acceptance and times of hate. In the CoT universe the witch hunts were targeting not just possible witches but anyone that had "Powers" so those who were different hid their abilities till around the time of WWII. The Nazies started using the Ubermen first and the Allied powers asked out for volunteers with superhuman abilities. The new age of the Heroes has begun.

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So this is the Marvel

So this is the Marvel Universe explanation. Celestial like beings seeding a planet and suddenly men of "power" grow and become Gods and Mutates through ancient times until today. I guess it is a X-universe then since Science, Magic and Mutation are the dominant life forms?

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Who knows if the CoT going to

Who knows if the CoT going to have something triggering the appearance. It's an unknown both for us and for the public knowledge of the game world. Only clear thing is that myths and legends that we know have more historic grounding in the CoT universe. Fear of the unknown drove those with powers into hiding till World War II. If there was a SEEDING event it was Pre homosapien or early homosapien. Long before the dawn of writing at least.

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Maybe it's just me but I don

Maybe it's just me but I don't really like the idea of an "event" happening that makes everyone have powers. At least not one that happened recently. I mean sure it's not realistic, but supers usually aren't. It's a different universe, and in this universe we can say that it things work differently just as we can say the lord of the rings universe has a mysterious force called magic that doesn't exist in our universe. Science just works differently, a machine that works here might not be able to work there and vice versa because the laws of that universe don't apply here or ours there.

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It also allows for more

It also allows for more creativity. So take City of Heroes and the Well. What happened before the well? That Immortal caveman was he the creation of the Well of the Furies? Or was it that radioactive meteorite? By saying "THIS" event triggered things you kind of limit yourself to that time frame.

By saying no one knows for sure, records go back as far as anyone can tell to pre recorded history. Then you could have the mystical island of Atlantis being real, a lost City of Gold is hidden somewhere in south america. The Fountain of Youth in some remote hidden cave. Merlan did battle with Morgana. And yes a cave man is now teaching in Harvard oh sorry Neanderthal. By not having an official event or at least one from before civilization begin you open up more options for players.

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Izzy wrote:
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Darth Fez wrote:
... Anthem & Co will be the flagship / face of CoT*, ...
I would think people that never heard of City of Heroes or City of Villains would have an expectation of City of Titans to actually have TITANS.. At least in the Posters! ;)
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Why does there have to be one

Why does there have to be one global superpower conspiracy? Iron Man invented his powers, the Hulk got his in an accident involving gamma radiation, and the Punisher shoots people with a gun. Some of them are more far-fetched than others but they all have their own separate origin story, not one big "wizards did it" explanation that encompasses everything and everyone.

"Genetic mutation" as a source of superpowers was invented by Stan Lee and others because they were tired of trying to make up good origin stories for every character. It felt forced and hackey to them that EVERY new character had to come from a planet Krypton or got bitten by a radioactive spider or what have you, so they settled on a more generic "They're genetically mutated, which happens, and the reason it's happening more here and now in the 1860's is because something happened before or very near the time of their conception and birth that mutated theirs or their parent's DNA, and that was..... the invention of the atomic bomb, so really, radiation did it, in an indirect way." In the atomic age things somehow kept coming back to the atom as a source of superpowers, because it was new and sciency in the media consciousness of the times. If it wasn't radiation it was space exploration, because that was newsy and sciency then too.

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Radiac wrote:
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..., so really, radiation did it, in an indirect way." ...

Hmm, i was expecting to hear The Hulk's origins had opened the door to one source of many forms of mutants, even if it was subconscious. :)

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What Radiac said. One of the

What Radiac said. One of the main lore-related complaints about the Incarnate system in CoX was that many players' characters had to be shoehorned into the whole Well of the Furies explanation if they wanted to participate and cared about their backstory. I think avoiding one single master origin of powers gives us as players much much more freedom.

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I guess I am in the minority

I guess I am in the minority who always needs to know who, what, where, why and how to a story or an MMO. I get that people do not want their "origin" of their characters pre-established or shoehorned. Like I said before, I am not asking for a peek or them to reveal the whole bible on their universe, just looking for something to get a little excited over that will not fade after a few days. They have already set a stage on what is happening behind the scene or in some cases the front. I find that and little more of the how and why helps with understanding what the story writer is conveying to me so I can get lost in it and create that character to fit the big picture in my mind and get me excited. A big part for me is story and CoH with all it's faults had that and after issue 19 things started to get interesting as story goes and it explained not a whole lot of things, but enough to keep you interested(again it might just be me). But on the side note CoH did not do mutation origin back story that well either, they explained Magic, Science, and technology so well it felt like a competition of which origin can be more awesome and kept it open so "some" did not feel restricted. Maybe Stan Lee did explain mutants in a way that no one can touch it without it sounding like an X-book.

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Since CoT is a superhero

Since CoT is a superhero universe, we can assume that the basic underpinnings of that universe are different from those we know. Physics? Sure, that works. Until someone comes along who can turn it off or change it ("Simple. Change the gravitational constant of the universe."). Nothing can travel faster than light? I wish. Got a speeding ticket right here that says otherwise.

So, yeah, there is without a doubt one origin event that is at the root of it all: the big bang.*



* Or maybe not. Who knows? Maybe there are some aliens who know better and consider human scientists nothing more than snake oil vendors for still trying to push that theory.

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I understand where you're

I understand where you're coming from. Whether it's an MMO or PnP game I build my character's story into the world setting I am playing in. I never had a problem with the origin system, the "Origin of Powers" or the Well of Furies lore from CoH because I saw my characters as part of that world and they would follow the rules of the world as it were. However there was a lot of push back and complaining from many in the player-base who felt the Devs had no right to dictate any story onto their character's origin or powers.

Given that, I can see why they are going with a vague:
"Supers have been around since before recorded history in one form or another. They kept hidden out of fear of oppression for the most part until WW2, when they were called on to fight on both sides."

Rather than a world event, its a personal one. It's up to you as to where your powers came from.

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"Supers have been around since before recorded history in one form or another. They kept hidden out of fear of oppression for the most part until WW2, when they were called on to fight on both sides."

I'm inclined to think that this particular bit of lore has changed, since it appears to run counter to information from a Kickstarter update:

"Soon, American Star had dozens, then hundreds, of peers. It seemed that the gates of science and even so-called “magic” had opened and let loose a flood of the amazing on the city. During World War II, many of these superpowered adventurers served abroad (sometimes battling against Axis superweapons), while others defended the homefront."

The idea that such powerful beings existed since time immemorial but none of them fought in wars, or was asked or ordered to fight in a war, until the 1940s strains credulity, anyway.

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Darth Fez wrote:
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The idea that such powerful beings existed since time immemorial but none of them fought in wars, or was asked or ordered to fight in a war, until the 1940s strains credulity, anyway.

Well, there were always going to be the Samsons and Herculess running around, But I could still believe most would have kept their powers on the down low. Especially if their ruling class was more likely to burn them at the stake then use them as weapons in a conflict. And to note, fighting in a war and fighting in a war as an openly super-powered being are quite different things.

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Sure, but I still doubt that

Sure, but I still doubt that would be the case. Barring the idea that there was some kind of huge boom of super-powered people in the 20th century, it is unlikely that the CoT setting would have had a handful of such people in each nation. A handful each city would seem more likely.

As per an article from 2010, which is the best I could find with a quick search, Marvel had some 7,000+ characters. 7,000 might be the number of super-powered people in one Titan City neighborhood. Perhaps not even that. I can understand that MWM doesn't want to write thousands of years' worth of mythology since Gilgamesh, Hercules, and Krishna, but saying that every super-powered person decided to pretend to be human, even though they might effectively be a demi-god, until some kind of 'magic' happened in 1939?

Yeah. No.

That's the laziest of lazy-ass outs.

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I never said every, I said

I never said every, I said most. Hell in the real world it's only been ok to write with your left hand for the past few decades. Go back three or four generations and lefties would have their left hands tied behind their backs at school to force them to use their right. What do you think would happen to the guy who can shoot fire from his hands? Thinking back to the update about power registration even in the modern day Titan City there would be "powered" individuals just leading a normal unregistered life.

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As far as wanting to know the

As far as wanting to know the canon backstory of everything, count me out. I didn't even want to know the mechanics of how "the force" worked in Star Wars. I was happier before I had ever heard the midichlorian explanation. I really liked it BETTER when the force was this enigmatic thing that you didn't know exactly how it worked. Ben Kenobi's description of the force in Episode IV was all I ever needed or wanted. It was perfect.

In the comics, I remember DC had one guy that used to show up rarely from time to time in various places named The Phantom Stranger, whose whole deal was being mysterious and un-knowable. The one issue of Secret Origins had four separate possible origin stories for him. DC never gave you anything to pin down The Phantom Stranger, on purpose, and he was totally way cooler because of it.

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Think we got off topic here

Think we got off topic here just a bit. My point was that in a universe such as this, there has to be something that started it all. Now I will go as far as to accept powers pre-date written records, but even myth has a start and in this case where does it start with the characters running around today. As one pointed out even PnP helps in creating a character to fit into a story(MMO universe) to get a their feet wet and motivates them and my motivation for characters mainly are mutant in origin living in the world who either fears them(X-universe) or accepts them as heroes who saves the day and no one cares if they are a mutant or not( DC universe).

Cabbie and the Old Man are great at explaining about enemies and historical landmarks, but nothing to explain the heroes and villains who inhabit the world. If "what is her name"(forgot it that quick) is the main hero, I want to know why I should care about her and why I should rally to her side if something major is going down let alone who are we?

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Let's assume your premise is

Let's assume your premise is correct that there must be something behind it all, some unifying driving force that's responsible for people all of the sudden starting to manifest super powers at some given point in history, whenever that is. It's still preferable, to me, to not let the audience actually know what that even is. Like I said, I prefer NOT seeing behind the curtain and simply being impressed by the powers of the great and powerful Oz. Your mileage may vary.

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My point was that in a universe such as this, there has to be something that started it all.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. If you're saying there should be an explanation for why all these superbeings congregated on this one city, I can kinda see the point. If you're saying there has to be one event that made all superbeings possible, I disagree. As Radiac pointed out, there's no link between the origins of Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, etc. or (to switch universes) Cap America, Iron Man, the Hulk, etc. Only the Marvel mutants are linked in origin, and Radiac has explained the rl reasons why that came about. Almost none of the characters I created in CoX had any origin links, and I would prefer if the world of CoT didn't force such a link on the many new characters I intend to make.

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I want to know why I should care about her and why I should rally to her side if something major is going down let alone who are we?

This could well be me being dense, but isn't the answer to that question, "Because you're a hero. That's what you do"? To turn the question around, why would you choose not to help her? Because she's a woman? Because she's black? Or are you looking for some kind of assurance that you will like and approve of her origin story?

Let us assume that there is some ur-event to explain super-beings. Would it be satisfying that this event explains gods (Thor, Hercules) and mythological creatures (dragons, fae), magic (Doctor Strange, Merlin), aliens (Superman, Skrull), science* (Hulk, Fantastic Four, and mutants in general), technology* (Iron Man, Green Arrow), and whatever else is out there? Does the existence of a metagene** or celestial beings*** really make for a more compelling story than the idea that super-beings exist because that is how this universe is / functions?

If so - and I don't mean to imply that you haven't made a clear case - fair enough. I prefer if the magic rock fart**** that gave my character his power is not somehow tied to someone else's character's conscious decision or an event that occurred billions of years ago, half a universe away.



* I suppose these could be lumped under the general heading 'super-intelligence'.
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*** Er, god as god, I guess?
**** Comet. I mean comet. Writing magic rock fart is a lot more fun.

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My point was that in a universe such as this, there has to be something that started it all.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. If you're saying there should be an explanation for why all these superbeings congregated on this one city, I can kinda see the point. If you're saying there has to be one event that made all superbeings possible, I disagree. As Radiac pointed out, there's no link between the origins of Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, etc. or (to switch universes) Cap America, Iron Man, the Hulk, etc. Only the Marvel mutants are linked in origin, and Radiac has explained the rl reasons why that came about. Almost none of the characters I created in CoX had any origin links, and I would prefer if the world of CoT didn't force such a link on the many new characters I intend to make.

Funny you bring up the two power houses of comics, I read in Marvel there was the Celestials visiting Earth every few thousand years in groups called "Hosts", the group is revealed to have been responsible for the creation of the Eternals and the Deviants, and via genetic manipulation, including the existence of superpowers in mutants, and DC had it's 3 issue series Invasion that explained the Meta-gene. All kidding aside, I understand how many do not want their idea of "origins' restricting your character, I guess since I make mutants and no one so far other than in comics and in books have come up with a suitable idea of how mutants come to be I never get that sense of restrictions. Oh sure they had an idea in CoH, but it was so flimsy of an origin that you could ignore it or put it on the show Ancient Aliens.

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My point was that in a universe such as this, there has to be something that started it all.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. If you're saying there should be an explanation for why all these superbeings congregated on this one city, I can kinda see the point. If you're saying there has to be one event that made all superbeings possible, I disagree. As Radiac pointed out, there's no link between the origins of Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, etc. or (to switch universes) Cap America, Iron Man, the Hulk, etc. Only the Marvel mutants are linked in origin, and Radiac has explained the rl reasons why that came about. Almost none of the characters I created in CoX had any origin links, and I would prefer if the world of CoT didn't force such a link on the many new characters I intend to make.

Funny you bring up the two power houses of comics, I read in Marvel there was the Celestials visiting Earth every few thousand years in groups called "Hosts", the group is revealed to have been responsible for the creation of the Eternals and the Deviants, and via genetic manipulation, including the existence of superpowers in mutants, and DC had it's 3 issue series Invasion that explained the Meta-gene. All kidding aside, I understand how many do not want their idea of "origins' restricting your character, I guess since I make mutants and no one so far other than in comics and in books have come up with a suitable idea of how mutants come to be I never get that sense of restrictions. Oh sure they had an idea in CoH, but it was so flimsy of an origin that you could ignore it or put it on the show Ancient Aliens.
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I want to know why I should care about her and why I should rally to her side if something major is going down let alone who are we?
This could well be me being dense, but isn't the answer to that question, "Because you're a hero. That's what you do"? To turn the question around, why would you choose not to help her? Because she's a woman? Because she's black? Or are you looking for some kind of assurance that you will like and approve of her origin story?

Since I am African American I could care less. As for a woman? Think my mother would kill me if I had a 1955 mentality. After watching Man of Steel, if I was living in the DC universe and here is a uber-hero in spandex fighting his people, would I rally to him? No. I would be like the ones in sequel that is in production now. Looking to defeat this person before he wrecks another city. When CoH has Statesman I immediately thought "oh, another Superman character who has Zeus's power. Cool". But when the comic came out and fleshed out his story I found out how much of a jerk he was and I grew a sorta hate for him. But it was the comic that revealed more about the character that made up your mind if you wanted to rally by his side or go at it alone all the while giving him the bird.

So when I ask who is she as a the hero, will she be a Captain Marvel(Carol Danvers) a serious soldier type? Wonder Woman who is an Amazon out protect the world of man? Or is she another Statesman but as a woman which would make her a stereotype?

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My point was that in a universe such as this, there has to be something that started it all.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. If you're saying there should be an explanation for why all these superbeings congregated on this one city, I can kinda see the point. If you're saying there has to be one event that made all superbeings possible, I disagree. As Radiac pointed out, there's no link between the origins of Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, etc. or (to switch universes) Cap America, Iron Man, the Hulk, etc. Only the Marvel mutants are linked in origin, and Radiac has explained the rl reasons why that came about. Almost none of the characters I created in CoX had any origin links, and I would prefer if the world of CoT didn't force such a link on the many new characters I intend to make.

Funny you bring up the two power houses of comics, I read in Marvel there was the Celestials visiting Earth every few thousand years in groups called "Hosts", the group is revealed to have been responsible for the creation of the Eternals and the Deviants, and via genetic manipulation, including the existence of superpowers in mutants, and DC had it's 3 issue series Invasion that explained the Meta-gene. All kidding aside, I understand how many do not want their idea of "origins' restricting your character, I guess since I make mutants and no one so far other than in comics and in books have come up with a suitable idea of how mutants come to be I never get that sense of restrictions. Oh sure they had an idea in CoH, but it was so flimsy of an origin that you could ignore it or put it on the show Ancient Aliens.
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After watching Man of Steel, if I was living in the DC universe and here is a uber-hero in spandex fighting his people, would I rally to him? No. I would be like the ones in sequel that is in production now. Looking to defeat this person before he wrecks another city. When CoH has Statesman I immediately thought "oh, another Superman character who has Zeus's power. Cool". But when the comic came out and fleshed out his story I found out how much of a jerk he was and I grew a sorta hate for him.

This is likely a large factor for why City of Titans will not have an überhero.

Will Anthem be a kind of guiding light and 'hero of the city'? Probably. After all, she is carrying the torch of Titan City's first (certainly one of the first) hero, which was picked up in 1887. (He actually predates Titan City by two decades, but who's counting?)

Is Anthem intended to be the strongest hero in Titan City, bar none? As previously stated, no. MWM is even open to PCs becoming more powerful than Anthem.

It's true that we have very little background information about the world / universe of City of Titans. All we know about Anthem is that she is American Star's successor and that she teams with, perhaps even leads, a group of superheroes. We also have some concept art, but I don't know that we can be certain that this is finalized.

So, yeah, it may turn out that Anthem is a douche who thinks she can boss people around by dint of American Star's legacy.

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Way back when I remember talking about how powers started the Mutant genes are a kind of antibody when the earth is threatened more mutants start appearing. This serves two needs, one to try to stop whatever is happening, second reason is increase the possibility of survival of life. This would serve as explanation of why powers fade out through history. When there isn't a major threat (wars don't count) the mutant gene activation fades and the number of mutant drops. Now the reason Mutant and Powers are now appearing could be (Redacted due to NDA). Of course I have no idea what the Devs finally settled on or if they chose to go and not have an explanation.

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Way back when I remember talking about how powers started the Mutant genes are a kind of antibody when the earth is threatened more mutants start appearing. This serves two needs, one to try to stop whatever is happening, second reason is increase the possibility of survival of life. This would serve as explanation of why powers fade out through history. When there isn't a major threat (wars don't count) the mutant gene activation fades and the number of mutant drops. Now the reason Mutant and Powers are now appearing could be (Redacted due to NDA). Of course I have no idea what the Devs finally settled on or if they chose to go and not have an explanation.

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Glad to see a lively

Glad to see a lively discussion on origins.

Sorry, no reveals here. As far why these super-beings seem to gather in one city, there could be many reasons. While it might not be an answer, consider that humans have a way of gathering together, for reasons only they know.

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In an effort to be self

In an effort to be self-important, I will declare that I have no problem with many super-beings gathering together in one place. When someone tells me that this is something like 80% of the world's super-beings, that's when I get the heebie-jeebies and start demanding an explanation.

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Restricting the conversation

Restricting the conversation to only the old CoX origins for the sake of discussion, I can see why someone who plays mostly mutants might want a lore raison d'etre for that origin, and possibly the same might go for characters of magic origin. (Personally I would just come up with my own lore, but I can understand that someone might want it explained in-game.) However, I'd argue that the same does not apply to Natural, Science, or Tech origin characters. While some of these characters might share some aspects of origin, I'd expect the majority will be individual cases with no links whatsoever.

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Glad to see a lively discussion on origins.
Sorry, no reveals here. As far why these super-beings seem to gather in one city, there could be many reasons. While it might not be an answer, consider that humans have a way of gathering together, for reasons only they know.
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Maybe they are all there for

Maybe they are all there for comic con ??

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Consider a real life scenario

Consider a real life scenario for a moment: Olympic Records.

Every few years, new records are set. As human beings have not dramatically changed in tens of thousands of years, this should be impossible if our limits were finite. But the reality is, humanity is a competitive species. We strive to prove ourselves the best, be that through combat or how fast you can dash 100 meters.

Thanks to study, and improved communications, information about what works, and does not work, even about what is theoretically possible, spreads at a far greater rate than it has at any point in the past. Human beings designed the team engine thousands of years ago, but it was not until mass communications allowed for this knowledge to propagate did steam power enter into use. And with that, eventually so to did the internal combustion engine, electric engine, etc. Standing upon the shoulders of giants.

This expresses itself in the continuing climb of olympic records. Knowledge of how far we can push a human body is not only generated, it is shared, and that knowledge built and improved upon. All to gain the tiniest of edges.

Now apply that mentality to super powered beings. Yes, you had the farm kid who could lift a bale of hay with his bare hands. He learned he could do this at the local strongman competition at the local county fair. But he never gave a thought to seeing if he could fly by throwing a super-heavy hammer very hard and tagging along for the ride. Now introduce mass communications. He gets ideas, he starts pushing himself to see how far he can go, He now is not competing with the neighbors boy, he's competing against people half a globe away.

The only event needed is a combination of relaxing the statutes which punished the different (as someone who had his left arm tied behind his back, I know of this all too well) with mass communications to share examples of how far things can be pushed, you create a perfect storm for super powered beings to take center stage - no event needed, just simple humanity.

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I love you doctor tyche .

I love you doctor tyche .

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Consider a real life person,

Consider a real life person, John Lawson. In the American Civil War, he served on the USS Hartford during the battle of Mobile Bay. His ship was severely struck, the other 5 men of the berth deck ammunition supply line were killed. Despite being closer to the exploding shell, Lawson shrugged it off, and then proceeded to move with what his shipmates later called "inhuman speed" to keep them supplied. His actions that day had him awarded the Medal of Honor. It is not hard to imagine that he had always held such potential, but lacked the need to ever push himself to find out what he could actually do.

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Lived in Connecticut my whole life thanks for using USS Hartford !!

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CoT is fun AND educational!

I've lived in Mobile, AL my whole life and that's one I haven't heard.

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From Youtube real people with real super powers or at least near superhuman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCpcyIY9tI

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Consider a real life scenario for a moment: Olympic Records.
Every few years, new records are set. As human beings have not dramatically changed in tens of thousands of years, this should be impossible if our limits were finite. But the reality is, humanity is a competitive species. We strive to prove ourselves the best, be that through combat or how fast you can dash 100 meters.
Thanks to study, and improved communications, information about what works, and does not work, even about what is theoretically possible, spreads at a far greater rate than it has at any point in the past. Human beings designed the team engine thousands of years ago, but it was not until mass communications allowed for this knowledge to propagate did steam power enter into use. And with that, eventually so to did the internal combustion engine, electric engine, etc. Standing upon the shoulders of giants.
This expresses itself in the continuing climb of olympic records. Knowledge of how far we can push a human body is not only generated, it is shared, and that knowledge built and improved upon. All to gain the tiniest of edges.
Now apply that mentality to super powered beings. Yes, you had the farm kid who could lift a bale of hay with his bare hands. He learned he could do this at the local strongman competition at the local county fair. But he never gave a thought to seeing if he could fly by throwing a super-heavy hammer very hard and tagging along for the ride. Now introduce mass communications. He gets ideas, he starts pushing himself to see how far he can go, He now is not competing with the neighbors boy, he's competing against people half a globe away.
The only event needed is a combination of relaxing the statutes which punished the different (as someone who had his left arm tied behind his back, I know of this all too well) with mass communications to share examples of how far things can be pushed, you create a perfect storm for super powered beings to take center stage - no event needed, just simple humanity.

By my next statement if I misunderstand what you are saying I will apologize up front now. So as I am understanding it, mutation and magic(yes I threw them in) is so common place and comes or considered natural to so many people it almost celebrated as an achievement or nonchalant to the point people just ignore it?

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As I see it, Doctor Tyche is

As I see it, Doctor Tyche is presenting a rationale that may be applied to the concept of mutation: the realization of previous untapped potential. There are other ways to view mutation, but the CoT team does not want to box anyone in. You are free to present your own origin story, based on the concept of any character you plan to create.

I know that's not what you are looking for, but keeping the door open for the broadest definition of Super-powered characters is, in my opinion, far better than forcing everyone to comply with an imposed definition.

Understanding the history of the City of Titan universe I'm sure would be helpful. Some of the history and setting has been covered in the Updates, listed under "Home" in the upper left of this page. There is much more, but we're keeping that to ourselves: at least for now. Also, we want to leave plenty for people to discover once the game goes live.

I hope that doesn't leave things too short on details for you. Just know that we want you to be free to create the characters you want to create. Hopefully, the systems we're putting together will help you get there.

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The information I would like

The information I would like to have before the game goes live are the broad strokes of history and events, both worldwide and particular to Titan City. Stuff that any school child is likely to know about, such as wars, Chernobyl, the recolonization of Africa, that England hasn't won a world cup in 30 years ( >.> <.<), and the vorpal bunny infestation in Indonesia.

And maybe something about superheroes. I dunno.

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While I'm sorry it's not what All 4 wanted, I personally am very grateful for this approach. Especially this

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the CoT team does not want to box anyone in. You are free to present your own origin story, based on the concept of any character you plan to create.

And this

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Also, we want to leave plenty for people to discover once the game goes live.

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The information I would like to have before the game goes live are the broad strokes of history and events, both worldwide and particular to Titan City. Stuff that any school child is likely to know about, such as wars, Chernobyl, the recolonization of Africa, that England hasn't won a world cup in 30 years ( >.> <.<), and the vorpal bunny infestation in Indonesia.

Wow, your school was much better than mine. Well, ok, they did cover wars as long as the US was involved.

As for the last item, was your teacher by chance called Tim the Enchanter?

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... Understanding the history of the City of Titan universe I'm sure would be helpful. ... There is much more, but we're keeping that to ourselves: at least for now. ...

Do we get to find out why this city attracted so many supers (compared to other cities with close to no supers), hero and villain alike?

Is it a naturally occurring resource they all want to get their hands on that is in abundance there? (like the Gold Rush in the San-Francisco region). Is it a fountain of youth, or better yet.. a supers spring hidden somewhere under the city?

Did they all come seeking out a fortune and wound up taking odd jobs in the city and after a good few years of searching, but not finding anything, the businesses boomed. And that also attracted all sorts of shady manner of life, some human, and others.. not so much.

As time passed, crime steadily started to increase. The police were outgunned and couldn't do much against such overpowered opponents. Normal citizens were assaulted now without much worry of being reported. Speaking to the police (those that still tried to help protect the city), meant receiving threats to family and friends. A once shining beacon of a city was now a dirty sees-pool of morally ambiguous manner of beings.

As the city's reputation started to decline, workforce started to dwindle. The citizens who were still remaining started to grow restless, and easily agitated. They felt like an invisible force was suffocating the life out of them. Some in huge debt, others just not having anywhere else to turn to, stayed there.. hoping... praying... they could survive a little longer.

On a regular crime filled night, a woman walks down a once fully lit street with a young girl. The woman notices shards of glass from the recently smashed light-pole, and feels an uneasiness as her throat muscles started to tense a little. As they started walking faster, the woman hardens her grip of the girls hand and pulls her closer to her. The little girl stumbles, trips, and goes down hard hitting her knee where the shards of broken glass rested, giving of a loud scream. .................

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Wow, your school was much better than mine. Well, ok, they did cover wars as long as the US was involved.
As for the last item, was your teacher by chance called Tim the Enchanter?

Heh. It is true that Europe has a wee bit more experience with wars than does North America.

I was attempting to imply that, especially these days, people are likely to at least be aware an event occurred, even if that knowledge is limited to the country and the year (or perhaps not even that). If Saint John Jacob Peter McBrown baked a Saracen town into oblivion with his Golden Godly Orbs of Divine Judgment, that's something of which a lot of people are likely to be aware, at least peripherally. Even if they don't know that it was the town of Marbella in the 11th century.

And no, while I did have some good teachers I don't think any of them qualify as enchanting.

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Izzy wrote:
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Terlin wrote:
... Understanding the history of the City of Titan universe I'm sure would be helpful. ... There is much more, but we're keeping that to ourselves: at least for now. ...
Do we get to find out why this city attracted so many supers (compared to other cities with close to no supers), hero and villain alike?
Is it a naturally occurring resource they all want to get their hands on that is in abundance there? (like the Gold Rush in the San-Francisco region). Is it a fountain of youth, or better yet.. a supers spring hidden somewhere under the city?
Did they all come seeking out a fortune and wound up taking odd jobs in the city and after a good few years of searching, but not finding anything, the businesses boomed. And that also attracted all sorts of shady manner of life, some human, and others.. not so much.
As time passed, crime steadily started to increase. The police were outgunned and couldn't do much against such overpowered opponents. Normal citizens were assaulted now without much worry of being reported. Speaking to the police (those that still tried to help protect the city), meant receiving threats to family and friends. A once shining beacon of a city was now a dirty sees-pool of morally ambiguous manner of beings.
As the city's reputation started to decline, workforce started to dwindle. The citizens who were still remaining started to grow restless, and easily agitated. They felt like an invisible force was suffocating the life out of them. Some in huge debt, others just not having anywhere else to turn to, stayed there.. hoping... praying... they could survive a little longer.
On a regular crime filled night, a woman walks down a once fully lit street with a young girl. The woman notices shards of glass from the recently smashed light-pole, and feels an uneasiness as her throat muscles started to tense a little. As they started walking faster, the woman hardens her grip of the girls hand and pulls her closer to her. The little girl stumbles, trips, and goes down hard hitting her knee where the shards of broken glass rested, giving of a loud scream. .................

I think I remember an update saying that there are more supers here because Titan city has more lenient laws for supers where everywhere else is more discrimitory against them. It's also part of the reason why they can't win in football.

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I have wondered if Titan City

I have wondered if Titan City (as well as the surrounding region or perhaps even state) might enjoy certain privileges that are unavailable to other cities or states. Something akin to a special economic zone. As I've mentioned elsewhere, it would be helpful to know why Titan City has such prominence, especially when cities such as Boston, Philadelphia, New York, Baltimore, and Washington DC are within easy reach.

Anyone who is not from North America will presumably have additional, or separate, reasons for being in Titan City.

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I think I remember an update saying that there are more supers here because Titan city has more lenient laws for supers where everywhere else is more discrimitory against them. ...

Yea.. i got tired of typing so i just put ........... to denote there was more to come. ;)

And to quickly bullet point the rest:
- the woman and little girl with her, get attacked by street thugs.
- street thugs grab the little girl, she struggles and mauls the face of one of the hugs.
- thug throws her back, and the little girl falls and her neck is snapped. dies instantly.
- woman thats still being held by 2 street thugs goes manic after seeing the little girl killed and her cries get even louder.
- she gets slapped hard, and she stops screaming. After a moment, the thugs could see something inside of her just awoke. She turns her head back, from where her head rested from being hit, and her eyes turned black.
- ....
- ....
- Next day, TV and Newspapers report what happened last night and debates ensue weather the woman should be sent to jail.
- ....
- ....
- In the next election, one of the candidates promises to pass legislation that would not penalize a super meta for preventing a crime thats being perpetrated in their neighborhood.
- That candidate wins the election. Before you know it, groups of meta appear to patrol their neighborhoods.
- Supers start making a positive outcome and become wanted, an appreciation builds.
- ....
- Anthem, a leader of a group of supers, stops an attack in a financial district, which would have devastated everyone's financial lives in that city.
- After yet another Rescue by Anthem and her group, the medial, as well as the people, quickly becomes enamored with her. Kids and some adults start admiring her allot more. Everyone know who she is now. She didn't ask for this honor, she was just in the Media at the right time and was used by politicians to gain greater favor with prospective voters.
- ....
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- As the city once again starts attracting new businesses, city officials declare the city's slogan to "City of Titans", hoping to also attract more tourists. And eventually changing the citys name from Pacific City (sorry, Atlantic City was taken :( ) to "Titan City".
- ....
- The woman and girl that were attacked long ago... turns out that the woman is really Anthem. And the reason she got the name Anthem is because she would always state the same thing after punishing her foes.
She would recite: "I solemnly Swear, that those who hurt others shall be Punished, so help me God!" while holding her clenched hand to her breast. But what others didnt know, she would clench a locket with a picture of the girl that died that night.
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Where Titan City and the U.S.

Where Titan City and the U.S. could be more open to Supers other nations could be very anti super powered. Think of it as a kind of Homosexural refrance. One city/state would have open gay marriages and have strict anti hate crime laws. Chances are you have a lot of gay people moving their for equal rights and safety. Other places in the world you can still be arrested and executed for being different.

So if I had superpowers where would I want to live? A city where not only super folk are accepted but even celebrated or a place where I could be stoned, tortured, or locked in a lab and experimented on? So right there a logical reason why Titan City would have more "Supers" than elsewhere.

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I have wondered if Titan City (as well as the surrounding region or perhaps even state) might enjoy certain privileges that are unavailable to other cities or states. Something akin to a special economic zone. As I've mentioned elsewhere, it would be helpful to know why Titan City has such prominence, especially when cities such as Boston, Philadelphia, New York, Baltimore, and Washington DC are within easy reach.
Anyone who is not from North America will presumably have additional, or separate, reasons for being in Titan City.

Although we Titan City is the city with the largest amount of super powered individuals, I never assumed other major cites had next to no supers. I attributed being #1 in supers as mostly a factor of being the largest city in the US. I'm sure New York, Philly, and Baltimore (Boston I assume doesn't exist in this universe and D.C. would most likely allow only federal supper agents to operate for national security reasons) have super hero communities of a decent size.

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