And wasn't there a mogul structure shown a while back called Mischief's Ascent?

These look great as usual. ;)

I've sort of had a lingering question that was "refreshed" in my head by seeing the "Body Canvas Tats" Mogul. Basically has there been any consideration by MWM for linking things like a "costume creation outlet" to obviously related Moguls?

Recall we had the Icon stores in CoH where we could create/edit our costumes. It would seem to make sense that a Mogul building that's dedicated to tattoos would be the perfect location in the game for a public place to do costume changes like how Icon worked in CoH.

More specifically it'd be ideal if you could [b]only[/b] do tattoo editing at Body Canvas Tats, but for the sake of simplicity having a public door that would let you enter a small yet fully functional "costume shop" at the Body Canvas Tats Mogul building would be a cool way to make these types of places feel even more "real".

Brutum wrote:

Weekly updates... Hopefully this means we are getting close to the release of issue #0. And hopefully before the end of June.

I very highly doubt these weekly updates are going to last past mogul buildings and since they have nothing to do with Issue #0, I don't think it would be good to infer that, since they are weekly, that means we are somehow close to I0 release.

Brutum wrote:

I figured it might mean they had a lot more stuff put together they were willing to show off finally, hence more updates. More stuff done equals closer to release, but I guess I might be grasping at straws.

For what it's worth I hope you're right. But they've been working on mogul buildings for years so I'd guess this is just an easy few updates for them to fill. But... they didnt spread them out to every other week which I guess is a good sign...?

Brutum wrote:

Weekly updates... Hopefully this means we are getting close to the release of issue #0. And hopefully before the end of June.

I literally had to re-read the NDA before replying to this post.

I like the sound of that.

Lol, glad I renamed my Sapphire to Saphir :p

[img]https://cityoftitans.com/sites/default/files/sc%201.png[/img]

This makes me really wish that for the interior of Sapphire's Cafe the upper floor REVOLVED around the center at a rate of 1 revolution per hour. Align the booths radially (so people can see out the windows while the world turns) and use the central area/pillar as the fixed restaurant/staff area that the booths revolve around. Space walkways to the outer edge of the revolving section at every 1/3 or 1/4 section to give access to a stationary walkway within the windows and you're all set.

I remember there was a restaurant like this in Epcot Center (some 30 years ago) that basically spun once per hour so that you would slowly get to see different stuff around your booth over the course of your meal, rather than being stuck with a single view the entire time. Each of the booths were numbered so the staff could find you again (easily) to serve you.

Redlynne wrote:

[img]https://cityoftitans.com/sites/default/files/sc%201.png[/img]

This makes me really wish that for the interior of Sapphire's Cafe the upper floor REVOLVED around the center at a rate of 1 revolution per hour. Align the booths radially (so people can see out the windows while the world turns) and use the central area/pillar as the fixed restaurant/staff area that the booths revolve around. Space walkways to the outer edge of the revolving section at every 1/3 or 1/4 section to give access to a stationary walkway within the windows and you're all set.

I remember there was a restaurant like this in Epcot Center (some 30 years ago) that basically spun once per hour so that you would slowly get to see different stuff around your booth over the course of your meal, rather than being stuck with a single view the entire time. Each of the booths were numbered so the staff could find you again (easily) to serve you.

Here in Winnipeg there's a restaurant on a tower that revolves a bit slower I think. Haven't tried it yet since a salad is 40$....

JWBullfrog wrote:

Redlynne wrote:

[img]https://cityoftitans.com/sites/default/files/sc%201.png[/img]

This makes me really wish that for the interior of Sapphire's Cafe the upper floor REVOLVED around the center at a rate of 1 revolution per hour. Align the booths radially (so people can see out the windows while the world turns) and use the central area/pillar as the fixed restaurant/staff area that the booths revolve around. Space walkways to the outer edge of the revolving section at every 1/3 or 1/4 section to give access to a stationary walkway within the windows and you're all set.

I remember there was a restaurant like this in Epcot Center (some 30 years ago) that basically spun once per hour so that you would slowly get to see different stuff around your booth over the course of your meal, rather than being stuck with a single view the entire time. Each of the booths were numbered so the staff could find you again (easily) to serve you.

It's still there and it still rotates. Menu has changed a few times but it's still sort of cool.

Yeah we ate there a few years ago, at the time it served American home cooking (fried chicken, mashed potatoes) in huge quantities as a family place. Characters visited tables. It was okay, my youngest daughter sure loved it.

JWBullfrog wrote:

Redlynne wrote:

[img]https://cityoftitans.com/sites/default/files/sc%201.png[/img]

This makes me really wish that for the interior of Sapphire's Cafe the upper floor REVOLVED around the center at a rate of 1 revolution per hour. Align the booths radially (so people can see out the windows while the world turns) and use the central area/pillar as the fixed restaurant/staff area that the booths revolve around. Space walkways to the outer edge of the revolving section at every 1/3 or 1/4 section to give access to a stationary walkway within the windows and you're all set.

I remember there was a restaurant like this in Epcot Center (some 30 years ago) that basically spun once per hour so that you would slowly get to see different stuff around your booth over the course of your meal, rather than being stuck with a single view the entire time. Each of the booths were numbered so the staff could find you again (easily) to serve you.

It's still there and it still rotates. Menu has changed a few times but it's still sort of cool.

CN Tower had (still has?) a restaurant called 360 that rotated at the top too. It was... pricey, to say the least.

Redlynne wrote:

Lothic wrote:

I've sort of had a lingering question that was "refreshed" in my head by seeing the "Body Canvas Tats" Mogul. Basically has there been any consideration by MWM for linking things like a "costume creation outlet" to obviously related Moguls?

Recall we had the Icon stores in CoH where we could create/edit our costumes. It would seem to make sense that a Mogul building that's dedicated to tattoos would be the perfect location in the game for a public place to do costume changes like how Icon worked in CoH.

More specifically it'd be ideal if you could [b]only[/b] do tattoo editing at Body Canvas Tats, but for the sake of simplicity having a public door that would let you enter a small yet fully functional "costume shop" at the Body Canvas Tats Mogul building would be a cool way to make these types of places feel even more "real".

Counter-proposal:

Offer a costume editing discount for geting the costume work done at thematically appropriate moguls. That way you don't HAVE TO go there in order to get the work done ... but some of the options will be cheaper if you get them done there ... meaning there's an incentive (rather than an imperative) to go there to make your costume edits ... AND ... that incentive will act like a magnet to draw other characters minded to take advantage of/exploit the discount, meaning you'll get to see a self-selection bias of costume types inside the shop(s) there.

Think about it ...

Sure why not. For what it's worth I wasn't suggesting that a Mogul like Body Canvas Tats would be the ONLY place in the entire game to get tattoos. Not sure where you got that "exclusivity" idea from.

When I said you should ideally "[i]only[/i] be able to get tattoos" at a place like Body Canvas Tats I meant that most tattoos parlors IRL don't also sell auto parts or tennis rackets. Even though limiting a given store in-game to "just tattoos" might be more realistic I figured it just be easier from an implementation point of view to make a place like Body Canvas Tats be a "fully functional" costume shop just like ALL the others in the game just so the Devs wouldn't have to figure out how to do a "tattoo only" costume GUI.

Ultimately a place that "explains its existence" as a place to get tattoos should ideally let players actually get tattoos there. Another example would be if a Mogul building explains itself as a "gadget store" it should ideally let players buy crafting related items. The main idea would be to make these places actually DO what they are suggesting they are there to DO.

Anyway I'd have absolutely no problem with the idea that Mogul-based stores might offer some kind of "discount" to provide incentives to go to those places instead of other alternatives.

Huckleberry wrote:

Insatiable wrote:

The "Mischief" series of Moguls originated from me. I love the new thought, goes back to the original email about options. Mischief's ascent was one that the first concept artist zeroed in on.

Mischief was my wife, we met on CoH, eventually married, a beautiful thing. Mischief passed a few years ago and the personal meaning of this mogul building has at least evolved for me. It's been a delight seeing this game progress.

This, my friend, is why we are supporting CoT. I'm sorry to hear about your wife's passing, but I'm glad that she will be memorialized in such a meaningful way. Now we all know your story and every time we see the building we will be reminded again not just of your relationship, but the fact that the community was so strong it resurrected itself from the ashes to become this.

Yeah, I’ll remember that story too when I see that building in-game.

avelworldcreator wrote:

Let me see if I can get an in-game plaque or memorial set up on this. No promises of course but I'll do my best.

This post delivers (in theory).

Are these buildings being rendered in the game world at all? Why are they always stand alone?

Zerohour wrote:

Are these buildings being rendered in the game world at all? Why are they always stand alone?

Says at the bottom that this isn't in-engine.

Zerohour wrote:

desviper wrote:

Zerohour wrote:

Are these buildings being rendered in the game world at all? Why are they always stand alone?

Says at the bottom that this isn't in-engine.

Yes I realize that, but I just wonder why it’s not in-engine at this point

Because the city isn't done being constructed. They have the pieces they need to put it together now, but they're neither done, nor is it the most appropriate place to show off a piece that can be showed off solo with another program. The entire thing is a matter of practicality.

When you guys developed the system for procedural exterior buildings to easily build city blocks, I thought it was a really cool update.

Another look at it's progress may be a good capstone to the end of the Mogul updates.

Red_Warlock wrote:

To confirm - all moguls will have a plaque with lore description about the mogul, coordinated with the mogul contributor.

I realize it's probably way too early for you to be able to answer this but I'll ask anyway: Do you have any idea what the limits for these plaques will be? Will they be "designable" by players or will they just be a generic space to allow for a few dozen words (like a Tweet)?

I've grabbed a few pics of completely random real life building plaques for the sake of discussion:

[img=300x300]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/570_Lexington_Avenue_%28General_Electric_Building%29_plaque_01.jpg[/img][img=300x300]http://www.alameda-preservation.org/preservation/wp-content/gallery/plaques/1547Everett.JPG[/img]
[img=400x400]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Walla_Walla%2C_WA_-_Whitehouse-Crawford_Building_plaque.jpg[/img][img=200x200]http://www.garsidesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/raven-building-plaque1.jpg[/img]

Can we assume that the CoT Mogul plaques will be something like this?

And a badge for collecting all the Moguls?

Red_Warlock wrote:

I don’t know if the specific parameters of the plaques have been decided yet. If there are specific ideas people have for something you would like to do with your mogul plaque, you can always message me and I’ll see if we can accommodate the request.

As always your openness to work with players and their Moguls is appreciated. :)

I'll ask one more semi-weird question about this that you might be able to answer now: You stated that every Mogul will have some kind of "plaque" as if it's going to be mandatory to have one. Could a Mogul owner opt out of having a plaque if they didn't want it?

I understand that for many of the Mogul buildings we've seen so far having a plaque would likely be a cool idea/addition. But I could envision some situations where it might not actually "make sense" for some Moguls to have a plaque related to it. Again I'm mostly coming at this from a "player choice" point of view and was just wondering whether having a plaque is an "optional" feature or not.

Just to be clear even if a player didn't have a plaque attached to their building the Mogul's name would still have to appear on in-game maps and the player wouldn't be able to "hide" their Mogul's existence from the general game lore or other players. Basically the Mogul would still exist in the "game world" lore-wise regardless if it had a plaque or not.

Lothic wrote:

Red_Warlock wrote:

I don’t know if the specific parameters of the plaques have been decided yet. If there are specific ideas people have for something you would like to do with your mogul plaque, you can always message me and I’ll see if we can accommodate the request.

As always your openness to work with players and their Moguls is appreciated. :)

I'll ask one more semi-weird question about this that you might be able to answer now: You stated that every Mogul will have some kind of "plaque" as if it's going to be mandatory to have one. Could a Mogul owner opt out of having a plaque if they didn't want it?

I understand that for many of the Mogul buildings we've seen so far having a plaque would likely be a cool idea/addition. But I could envision some situations where it might not actually "make sense" for some Moguls to have a plaque related to it. Again I'm mostly coming at this from a "player choice" point of view and was just wondering whether having a plaque is an "optional" feature or not.

Just to be clear even if a player didn't have a plaque attached to their building the Mogul's name would still have to appear on in-game maps and the player wouldn't be able to "hide" their Mogul's existence from the general game lore or other players. Basically the Mogul would still exist in the "game world" lore-wise regardless if it had a plaque or not.

Yeah, like one of my other favorites the Macabre Museum, a plaque on that would seem a bit out-of-place to me.

I think it’s important we let the mogul contributors decide if they want a plaque (or something similar that fits the aesthetic of the mogul). Many of the moguls (like Madame Meagors’ in particular) have very interesting, (even moving) stories behind them, I hope we support their creativity and the vision they are sharing with us in their concept. If they want a ‘plaque’, I’m pretty certain we will design it so it won’t look out of place, but will look like a special touch to a building we all will enjoy..

In the case of plaques not fitting, maybe a board, sign or a framed certificate that acts as a thank you to the person involved with the building could also work. There's definitely various ways you could squeeze in credit, even if it's more subtle. Like a restaurant could have a folding sign that says "Thanks to these people for donating funds for our establishment" and listing the mogul's creator's name at the top or in an obvious way.

Hopefully there aren't so many mogul buildings that it winds up damaging the look of the city with gigantic, custom buildings everywhere. Especially what with some of these mogul choices being really huge it seems.

Plus, many of the mogul buildings we know of are not that big. Vrghr King, for instance.

Fair enough.

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Especially what with some of these mogul choices being really huge it seems.

It's important to remember that the game world is ENORMOUS. Even Lothic and companies Burj Khalkifa clones will only be just "notable" for their size. Rather than defining a zone.

Atama wrote:

Another another thing, as you can see the Mogul buildings have been done in such a way that they'll fit into whatever neighborhood they're put in. I assume that each building isn't a mandate from a backer, but rather a collaboration between a backer and a designer based on the backer's original idea. But you're unlikely to see a shiny futuristic building of chrome and neon in the middle of a bunch of crumbling brownstones.

Yeah it's worded as such on the KS, good call.

As I recall, I had asked for mine to be placed near beach or docks for pleasure craft, and I think they took that into account when deciding where to put it. But I still don't know if it will be over here or down there, or how close it will be to the water.