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What about Scotland? The English make fun of them, but the only people I know who really seem to dislike the Scots are the Scots themselves. .-, (half smiley)
(Spoken as someone who has been living in Scotland and observing them for over a decade.)
Spurn all ye kindle.
This is a continuation of my earlier post to help demonstrate the changes I had suggested. Smoothed out some of the wrinkly areas to give it a more form fitting feel. Also wanted to see what that wrap around would look like so took Anthem to the Paint Shop and slapped it on. I'll let you be the judge.
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Are you English? Do you live in England?
If not then shut the hell up.
Because trust me, I have been around England many times over the years, and I have *never* seen this "hatred" that you seem to be putting across....
Never.
I have seen more hatred towards the Welsh than the Irish.
And this is not experience from one town... this is from experience of the South, The South East, The South West, The Midlands, the North, Scotland, North Wales, Central Wales, South Wales...
Hell, even the Channel Islands... but never have I seen this, nor seen fights happen purely because of someones Irish heritage.
So maybe I was just lucky over the years to never see this, but this is something that I feel that you are definitely barking up the wrong tree on.
Methinks you are a BNP member with that thinking...
Now now gentlemen keep this civil.
By and large, while some English dislike the French and Germans, very few English people dislike any particular Celtic country nationals, but there are plenty of Welsh/Scots/Irish that dislike the English.
But this has nothing much to do with the T-shirt discussion so can we move on please.
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Back on topic.
I've read the replies to my question and understand the decisions. Thank you.
I would like to say a BIG THANK YOU to the decision maker(s) who decided that Anthem will NOT be a stick-figure. Anthem has thighs and hips and what looks to be some junk in her trunk. She looks to be a healthily-sized human, rather than a walking clothes-rack.
The Phoenix Rising Initiative Rules Lawyer
You've got a front page signature hero that on first impression looks out of balance and poorly designed, and are saying that we should trust you that all this makes sense in context. It may seem obvious to you that it works since you've got all the backstory burned into your brains by now; and those of us here are already invested and like the depth of universe this hopefully implies.
However, most people aren't going to see Anthem in adverts or on t-shirts and think "I'll go buy that game so I can see how much better that huge gauntlet abomination looks in motion and find out why the artist didn't do the lighting properly." They'll take it on face value as a poorly thought out design and reflect [i]that[/i] on the game itself.
Something looking bad deliberately doesn't make it good.
Exactly.
In the shoulder/chest - Bird Feathers don't go that way. Not unless they're glued-on as decoration. I can accept the 'flare' on the glove, but the body is all wrong.
If this is a 'Phoenix', then the color should not be 'dirty, pale brass'. It should be red-gold.
Where's your 'Superior Fashion Sense'?
Be Well!
Fireheart
Just like to re-state that I categorically disagree with this assessment.
Crowd Control Enthusiast
I'd feel better about the gauntlet if there was an excuse behind it, like if it was an alien artifact or something.
not my video just one I lke ===> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-SdIN0hsM
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Hmm Phoenix symbiote
[img]http://i.imgur.com/GiijozY.png[/img] :o
Well.... Funny you should mention that....
Technical Director
Read enough Facebook and you have to make Sanity Checks. I guess FB is the Great Old One of the interent these days... - Beamrider
The gauntlet is the real body. Anthem is just a solid light hologram made of candy found in the environment.
So Anthem is dark chocolate and nuts, with a crunchy butterscotch coating?
Be Well!
Fireheart
:o [img]http://i.imgur.com/XMMwmlc.png[/img]
Unless by this you mean 'I like the design and my opinion counts as disproof of anything contrary to its perfection' then I don't see what your argument is.
Take Statesman, he had a backstory, some depth, family, allies, rivals and problems with not being able to fully control the source of his powers - but you didn't need to know any of that for his design to look decent, that's why he worked as the face of CoX. I like Anthem's core design; but Tyche has confirmed that the off balance look and weird lighting are intentional and will only make sense once we see it moving and know the backstory, which makes her bad to use for static stuff like adverts and t-shirts where the vast majority of the audience won't have either.
The more I think about it character wise there are some 'unfortunate implications' in a black female Anthem being overwhelmed by the power/legacy of a white male American Star to such an extent that it's a main feature of the costume design. I trust that this will turn out nicely in game, or that Tyche's hinting is just badly worded, but it's a possibly problematic snag for the media to take offense at on someone's behalf as clickbait.
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[url=http://www.hulu.com/high-school-dxd]BOOOST?[/url] ;D
I don't think JayBezz was trying to disprove anything, but merely to illustrate that whether Anthem looks good or bad is opinion and not fact. An argument whose premise is nothing more than opinion pretty much disproves itself without requiring outside assistance.
Spurn all ye kindle.
I don't need to prove anything.
But I will say that the argument that "Statesman.. had a backstory, some depth, family, allies, rivals and problems with not being able to fully control the source of his power" to be completely irrelevant to who Anthem is. Statesman is not Anthem. In fact I feel that Anthem has MUCH more original and relatable backstory than Statesman ever did.
Also .. Not everyone enjoys the "Deus Ex Machina" superhero who is "always in control" and has no challenges to their lives.. I personally enjoy my heroes with flaws that define them. For example: Spider-Man as a CHARACTER has to overcome his personal pressures as well as control his destiny.. It doesn't matter if it's Peter Parker or Miles Morales they are BOTH Spider-Man in their own rights. Miles is NOT Peter. Peter could NEVER be Miles.
And yes, I get upset when readers WANT Miles to be (or even COMPARE to) Peter.
Crowd Control Enthusiast
Okay, but my opinion is that I don't like the design of the torso-section of Anthem's gauntlet.
I'm also not content with the idea that this object is some sort of alien parasite that could make anybody a hero. I don't want the thing 'riding' her. I want Anthem's personal qualities to be paramount. I want HER to be the hero and the shiny-thing to be just a tool for expressing her character.
Be Well!
Fireheart
Not all parasites are malevolent.. In the case of something like Warlock and Cypher .. becoming Douglock is not at all a lack of expressed character on either of their parts. They work well together.
I hear you say ". I want Anthem's personal qualities to be paramount. I want HER to be the hero and the shiny-thing to be just a tool for expressing her character." and to that I say "How do you know that you're not getting what you want?"
Crowd Control Enthusiast
Because that is not what Doctor Tyche has implied so far.
Be Well!
Fireheart
It's not a question of "do individuals like the design?" when you're using it on a large non-captive audience, it's one of "does this design have elements that cause some people to not look at our product?"
Whether you, I, JayBezz or Fireheart like Anthem is irrelevant to whether it's a good design. It has been confirmed that it is [i]intentionally[/i] off from an aesthetic point to draw attention to character and backstory issues. This would be great if the character and backstory were common knowledge among those seeing her, as they would be if she was the subject of an ongoing comic series that this redesign came in issue 100 of, probably while wrapping up the death of American Star. It's even great for an in game character where she's part of the universe and this backstory is there to be explored.
What I am arguing is that all these factors that are being explained away on trust here are issues that [i]will[/i] come up en-mass if she's used as the central character in advertising. We have approximately 50% of the people seeing the design feeling it's flawed, and we have the same knowledge of her character as most people seeing an advert would. 50% is a large fraction of an audience to put off for the sake of emphasising character depth. Also I'd rather have people look at my t-shirt and ask "she looks great, what's she from?" and get to extol the virtues of the game than them think "what is with that glove?" and have to talk about the life expectancy of their pet parrot.
JayBezz, you missed the point completely; in fact you snipped out half of a sentence specifically in order to rant about something irrelevant so I guess that was deliberate.
Regardless, I've laid out my reasoning now, and why it isn't merely a matter of opinion. Now it's up to someone on the team to relay between art and marketing to determine whether anything further should be done following our impromptu focus test.
Umm... why not just say: "I wish the Gauntlet was a bit Form Fitting"... and that be it. ;)
I think that Witchblade TV show is influencing your style tastes, even after all this time. ;D
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I'll explain my viewpoint in another way:
"Hey Picasso, your faces look weird. Why would you intentionally draw people's faces like that? You should change them to be more palletible. "
"No I did that on purpose I think it speaks to the context of my piece"
"You're doing art wrong, it'll never sell"
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While pallets differ. Asking an artist to change their design because you do not understand the context is something I find to be unintelligent discourse.
Crowd Control Enthusiast
Ummm.. isnt that what Actually happened at that time? ;)
Who said the artifact is symbiotic or self aware in anyway? All we know is that the gauntlet might be an alien artifact. We don't even know if the aliens that made it where technology based or magic based or even if they are still around at all.
not my video just one I lke ===> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-SdIN0hsM
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So Doctor Tyche says that the gauntlet is a parasite 'wearing' Anthem.
But they say 'Trust Us'... and I find that I do have to trust the Devs to take my comments constructively. They say that they chose Anthem as an analogue for all of us that said, "No, we will Not give up." I agree with that - it's Why Anthem is important to me. It is why I care at all about how she looks.
I never identified with Statesman or the others, so I never bothered to point out when They looked... 'wrong'. They couldn't be wrong because they were someone else's creation. I had no relationship with those characters. No investment in them.
I'm invested in Anthem.
Be Well!
Fireheart
Right, must have missed that.
not my video just one I lke ===> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-SdIN0hsM
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Any one read blue beetle comics? This whole alien symbiote thing reminds me of blue beetle.....
not my video just one I lke ===> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-SdIN0hsM
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I am not a fan of the new look. The concept I love but the costume itself? meh. as many have mentioned, its just appears way off balance, which is apparnelty how it is meant to look (?) but you have to know the story to know that this is intentional. if someone see's it that doesn't know the story then all they will see is that the gauntlet and shoulder.chest piece looks huge for the figure. at which point personal taste enters the picture...if they like the look they may inquire into more info on the character and get the story behind why it's oversized, if they don't like it they will more than likely forget about the character minutes after seeing them.
again, I love the character concept! given this is her look though I am looking forward to seeing how it all "works" in addition to finding out more behind the backstory of the alien symbiote artifact (?) wearing a patriotic never-give up hero! :)
just figured I would drop my wooden nickel into the slot on this.
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However, given that 'confirmation', 'parasite' and 'wearing' may be more extreme terms than envisioned by the Devs. Those are just my reactions to the image.
I suspect that 'symbiont' will be more accurate. I doubt 'alien' will be quite accurate, though it is possible.
Be Well!
Fireheart
Yeah if you're adding a giant bulky piece like that gauntlet on a mostly sleek costume it doesn't mesh together well. Though really it doesn't mean that the gauntlet has to be redesigned. If a bulky, golden belt with a phoenix symbol on it and giant, golden, armoured boots where added it would make it the perfect blend of sleek a bulky in my opinion while still giving across the idea that the gauntlet is important. At any rate I like the look of the gauntlet compared to old one. It looks far more epic. It just needs the bulky pieces to be evened out with the sleek costume.
not my video just one I lke ===> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-SdIN0hsM
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