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Windows 10 or later required; no Intel integrated graphics like UHD, must have AMD or NVIDIA card or discrete chipset with 4Gb or more of VRAM
At least 16GB of main DRAM.
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So I've yet to see what we need in order to play CoT. Normally I wouldn't press but with tax time looming I'm considering new systems for the lil woman and myself. (MATCHING systems that is. Don't make her watch you play on a better system!) Have I just missed it with weak search-fu?
You actually can't do that until much later in the process.
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Impulse. In the world of computers, as I'm sure you know, Its always better to wait a little longer. If you are thinking of upgrading and COT is *the* game you are waiting for. Then wait. If you have something else that you are planning on playing then look at the recomended specs for that and build accordingly. Last I heard they were shooting for a relatively low end machine. Of course a low end machine in fall 2018 might very well be gtx 1080 today. If you want some more advice on building some computers, do let me know. I enjoy speccing out systems and building them when I can afford it.
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Thank you both! I have to admit I misread the announcement as being fall 2017. Silly stupid mistake, but that's what makes us human. And realizing that, Doctor Tyche's statement makes perfect sense.
Grimfox, CoT is indeed THE game I'm building for. The person that built our current machines turned me onto a site he used and I look forward to using it to build my 1st systems. :)
My computer is like 5 years old (I bought it ostensibly to play Diablo III, before that game was even released, then proceeded to play CoX for the last year of Freemium on it instead, never even bought Diablo III). I almost decided to buy a new one when Win 10 came out, because AMD doesn't support drivers etc for Win 10 for my video card. I decided ultimately to just stick with Win 7 for now and maybe get a new rig in like Christmas 2017 or later. I did buy a new keyboard and mouse though. So the parts I get to actually touch most often are new :).
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When I decide to build a new rig I usually start by buying stuff that won't change much over time like the case, power supply, optical drive(s), extra cooling fans etc.
Then closer to when I want to build it get things that might change price or size, but only a little, like hard drives, OS, video card and monitor (if you need or want a new one).
I wait till last to just get the best price for the motherboard processor and memory at that time.
I always feel like I end up with more computer than if I wait till I can afford all of it at once.
"I don't think you understand the gravity of your situation."
I hear ya. All I really want now is a new mobo, cpu, video card, and memory. And probably an M.2 PCI 3.0 SSD for the OS. And maaaaybe a 4k monitor. Maybe. But all of that can wait. GW2 runs fine on what I have now.
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I recall when we began, we had people demanding that we target the same machines CoH did at launch. (Pentium 3 600Mhz w/ 1GB of RAM and no GPU)
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I was amazed at the difference putting the OS on an SSD made!
My boot time is like 9 seconds!
Actually, I got a 120GB SSD and can fit all of my software on it and have almost half of it free.
Except games. I put them on a conventional hard drive.
The research I did into SSD's said that re-writing to an SSD can wear it out faster (repeated reads doesn't affect it at all) and since games, especially MMOs, get frequent updates I didn't want to risk it.
I never found any solid data about how mush faster it wears out, though.
"I don't think you understand the gravity of your situation."
First: BWA-HA-HA-HA!
Second: In all seriousness, why? Nobody HAS those anymore, do they? I mean, are we going to write it to run in Windows XP too?
R.S.O. of Phoenix Rising
Wow!
Although, I can remember a time (many months ago) when I thought I never fill up a 20 MB hard drive.
"I don't think you understand the gravity of your situation."
I wish I could be surprised by that but as I'm sure you're finding out most of us "future players of CoT" are a bit crazy one way or the other. The specs you're describing were practically "end of life" back in 2010 much less 2018.
The first hard drive I remember was one my step-father got for our Apple II back around 1982.
It was 40 MB, the physical size of a shoebox and I think it cost him something close to $2,000.
Now you can buy a single 10 TB drive in the standard 3.5" format for around $500. ;)
When I consider upgrades I tend to mostly focus on how much money I have to spend when I need something new. No matter what the latest specs are at any given moment you can usually count on a computer that costs $3000 being more capable than one that costs $500. As long as the CoT Devs hit their design goal then I would imagine a computer that costs $500 in 2018 will be more than capable of running CoT. From what I've heard it sounds like a $500 computer in 2016 would even do the job assuming CoT was ready to go now. Obviously if you want better performance than what a "typical" $500 computer can do (again regardless of timeframe) then you'll want to pay $1000, $1500 or more depending on your budget.
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Found an article on that very subject! Doesn't seem like much to worry about.
http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
When SSDs were first being released to the market the technology was quickly evolving. The very first SSDs were (compared to the standard existing mechanical disks) very expensive per Mb and suffered from Mean Time To Failure (MTTF) rates that were generally inferior. But the advantages of read speeds and "no moving parts to fail" were their obvious strong points.
It only took a few years for the SSD prices to come down and the typical MTTF rates to greatly improve. While it might (and I stress the word might) be true that a given mechanical drive made today could survive more read/write cycles than a given SSD the simple fact that SSDs have no moving parts to fail make them effectively more reliable for typical PC usage.
As far as being able to wear out a SSD with "MMO updates" goes you'd probably have to reinstall those MMOs like 100,000 times in a row to even get close to killing a late generation SSD. ;)
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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That's really good to know!
In all honesty, I haven't kept up with the research since I built my last computer which is one and a half years old now. It stands to reason things have improved a huge amount in that time.
I'm already starting to re-think how I want to put together my next rig before Fall 2018!
"I don't think you understand the gravity of your situation."
It's actually still worth considering having your OS on a relatively small SSD (like maybe 500GB or 1TB) and then having other larger mechanical disks for data. SSDs are still more expensive per MB than traditional disks so that's worth considering if you're on a budget.
But if you can manage say a 1TB SSD as a primary disk that would likely give you enough room to install your most often played MMO on that disk. Having quick load times for your favorite game is nice to have. ;)
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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That's good advice and lines up nicely with what I was thinking.
Still a little dizzy over the fact that you consider a 1TB SSD to be "relatively small", though!
Today's dose of perspective. Like the "enormous" 40MB drives we were talking about upstream. LOL
"I don't think you understand the gravity of your situation."
You're right - a 500GB SSD is pretty big as far as current SSDs goes.
But RELATIVE to traditional mechanical drives (which have now worked their way up to 10+TB per drive) that's small. ;)
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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My rig is like 5 years old and the SSD is currently using 115 of 223 available GB. That's basically from Win 7 and GW2 being on it.
R.S.O. of Phoenix Rising
Yep I've used 311 of 476 GB on mine and that's basically just the OS and a few of my more recent games. As long as big MMO type games (CoT?) don't start getting to be terabytes in size anytime soon things should be fine. :)
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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Ahhh, MWM doesn't use Substances (procedural textures, generate once at runtime) for their materials. Plus, it's expensive, as it's a 3rd party addon to Unreal Engine.
(more on it here: https://www.allegorithmic.com/products/substance-designer)
That bike in the link looks ultra realistic, but we probably don't need that. Something between CoX graphics circa 2011 and that would be fine, I think.
R.S.O. of Phoenix Rising
Part of the reason that SSD prices has somewhat plateaued is that there is a relatively prominent shortage of flash right now. The silicon fab houses can't keep up with the demand which is constantly increasing. Furthermore the cost of HDD equipment is on the rise as well (when people saw SSD prices falling they reduced orders as they expected less demand) The cost of storage will probably not move much over the nest couple years. Unless there is a major breakthrough that makes it to the market by 2018. Which is also a possibility as intel as just started releasing the first versions of their 3D Xpoint technology which is faster than an flash but cheaper than DRAM. by orders of magnitude on both counts along with being static storage (retains data after power off). So that could potentially offset some of the demand for some flash memory alleviating some of the shortage problems. There are lots of other things going on in the storage market too. The Samsung recall has also had some effect, all those devices that were recalled and recalled again all had flash that has now been taken out of the market. Another upset like that could have some pretty severe repercussions on the market.
I just bought new parts. My current dream PC build dropped in price by several hundred bucks over the black weekend so I went ahead and purchased all the parts. It was a PITA to get everything delivered. I ended up having to drive to the fed-ex distribution center to get most of my parts. Which are now scattered across my dining room table (who needs to eat!) But right now all I have in there is a single SSD. That should be enough for me as most of my data exists on a NAS now which can hold about 10 times more data than what I currently have on it. Most of the data on my old PC will migrate to the NAS and I'll use the SSD from that to expand storage on the new PC to 1TB of SSDs. Yay computers. Have fun, stay grounded.
edit. That substance designer, may not fit with the game but I think it's totally worth the cost. GPUs are stepping up this year and I wouldn't be surprised to see a major development in ray tracing technology in the next couple of years. I think that is going to be the next big thing. Innovation technologies (if I remember their name correctly) created a chip that would do ray tracing at such a speed that it took the 980GTX 10 times longer to do, all while using a fraction of the power (according to their marketing people). So I think a fire has been lit under the major GPU vendors to figure out (or buy out) that technology less they get outclassed by a mobile GPU (what Inno typically does) Frankly I'd love to see AMD buy the patents and incorporate that tech into their GPUs and into mantle/vulcan just cause they are the underdog, and I'm kinda a fan (don't tell my new GPU though it's got green team badges.)
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In reference to the changing nature of game system requirements I just saw an article on [url=http://massivelyop.com/2016/12/05/star-trek-online-drops-support-for-windows-xp-and-older-graphics-cards-in-2017/]Massively Overpowered[/url] where STO is going to be officially removing support for Windows XP and Direct3D 9 in a few months. I figure it's just an example of where a lot of games are going and definitely should be a wake up call to those people (mentioned earlier in the thread) who still actually think that CoT should remain anywhere near the same semi-ancient requirements that CoH had.
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for those of you that like small form factor systems, this $250 case ([url=http://thegadgetflow.com/portfolio/dan-cases-a4-sfx-worlds-smallest-gaming-tower-case/]DAN A4-SFX[/url]) might be for you:
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Wow this thread has evolved in a very awesome way since I mistakenly started it. I would like to suggest renaming the thread as "Computer Hardware and software discussion thread" to reflect that evolution. If CoT follows the example of CoH, then later we will get an entire forum for this topic. But for now, just a thread feels sufficient to me.
There should be an "Edit" button for you way up there by the original post, if you want to change it yourself. ^_^
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Thanks!
I built my PC going on 6 years ago now. I have a 250 SSD hard drive that has my OS and GTA V on it. It has an AMD 8-core processor and 16GB of ram and a GTX 760 Super-clocked graphics card. The SSD and graphics card were added a bit later but not too long after. I can play any new game that comes out no problem and I don't plan on getting anything new anytime soon. As long as you have good components you can go quite awhile before you need to update anything. Save your pennies and wait til something irresistible comes out that you know for a fact your current rig isn't able to accomplish, then splurge on a new system.
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I've been looking at getting an UltraWide monitor but I don't know if that considered a niche product right now and not worth the development time. However, I would definitely be ok if it is unofficial support. Marvel Heroes does not officially support ultrawide but there are players reporting it works just fine.
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The folks over at The Tech Report have just released another system guide for those looking to build their own setups. I'm really a fan of their guides as I find then easy to read and follow. Their recommendations take not only price, but things like user ratings and warranties into account as well for multiple budget needs.
http://techreport.com/review/31119/the-tech-report-system-guide-december-2016-edition
That's a sweet case, Izzy. I might have to find an excuse to build one.
Anyway, if anyone wants some background on SSD wear modes, I've done some work with them (specifically with NAND flash chips, the underlying technology), so just ask. The main thing I want to mention is that read errors *are* possible, though they're very rare (a bit error rate around 10^-7, or 1 in 10 million reads, not counting ECC, which can almost always correct the error). So even a drive that's just sitting there powered on can be pruning pages with known bit errors in the background, moving them to spare pages. This pops up in law enforcement, because simply powering on and reading an SSD can alter it, so there are specialized devices they use that image the disk with little chance of data corruption.
My main gaming machine is running from a 960 GB SSD and it's sweet. Since I don't have a lot of data on the machines (just the games themselves), I haven't needed a bulk storage drive. If I did, I'd look at an external USB-3 RAID 1 or RAID 10 box, or a NAS.
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My next pc upgrade will likely involve a M2 drive or potentially a NVMe drive depending on costs around June/July this year for the OS and the main 1-3 games I play, then a SSD for other storage and a NAS for media/other large files/etc. GPU will be a GTX 1060 6GB or other depending on if anything is released around when I buy (unlikely). Although my current gpu (760 4GB) is starting to show its age and in the heat of summer I had to run the fans at 100% and lower the clock speed a bit (this last week was stupidly hot).
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