This is something I would LOVE to see in the game, and it is something COT can charge for.
Casual weapon animations. I got the idea when I posted this in the costume thread.
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The idea of a non combat animation when a weapon is ready. In this case, a whip. The character moves their hand back and forth dragging the whip back and forth along the ground during a conversation. other non threatening movements can be added too.
since this is not essential for gameplay, its an extra feature that COT can charge for.
Swords. The character can place the sword point down and lean on the hilt. he can shadow play with the sword, he can draw on the ground with the point.
Guns, twirls around the finger. Cowboy gun tricks.
THESE ARE NOT EMOTES! These are optional idle animations.
Optional idle animations do not need to be weapon related. They can be silly, fun, seductive, all sorts of things. and players will LOVE them...enough to spend big bucks on them!
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I like it!
Someome with an energy power could hold up both hands and let energy *spark* from one hand to the other, or arms outstretched let it *dance* from one hand to the other, along the body.
An unarmed fighter start doing a kata...or pushups.
Or, for non power/gimmick related, pull out a yo-yo. Or a basketball.
I'd pay for a character to be able to do that.
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I was going to holler about anyone encouraging people to 'casually play with' dangerous weapons, but considered the idea as described and thought, 'well, okay'. I mean, one should not just pull out the 'Omni-Blaster Omega' and point it in random directions!
However, I could certainly see casually taking out a weapon and doing minor checks and maintenance on it. I could see idly twirling and flipping the 'Bat Bat' to demonstrate skill and stay warmed-up for the next encounter. I could see pulling out a notebook to 'check your notes' in either science, or magic applications.
However, I don't consider gun-spinning or 'trick-shooting' to be responsible or professional behavior where civilians might pass by and be injured. Let's not encourage stupid-shit that people might try at home, right?
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Related but slightly tangential; (and I think might have been discussed elsewhere previously)
What if emotes could be selected and assigned as "idle" animations?
Let's say your character has a certain number of animation "slots" that it cycles through when idle, maybe 8 or 10, I dunno. At character creation, or whenever, a player can go in and fill those slots with any emotes owned on the account. For instance, I have a total of ten, three second "slots" as my idle cycle instead of the default "heroic breathing" or whatever is dependent on the stance I select. (We've talked about stances too, right?) In slot 6 I insert "scratch head" and in slot 9 "crack knuckles."
I like the idea of selling this kind of stuff, and I would be an avid buyer. You could have bundles of different types of animations like "sword" or "pistol". Even "boredom" or "yoga" for sale. Maybe they come with particular costume pieces or sets.
This is not to say that I wouldn't love a whole host of basic emotes available with purchase of the game, mind you. And any of those should be pluggable into a default slot, too. This seems simpler than having "idle" emotes that are separate from "active" emotes.
Haha. Seriously? Maybe we should be careful not to encourage little Johnny to jump off buildings wearing a cape, or fight street thugs in his longjohns, either.
My politically incorrect attitude is anything they try at home is on them. Any body who does gun twirling with a loaded .45 is likely to get exactly what they deserve. "Hey, y'all, lookee what I c'n do!" Can't wait to see it on YouTube.
Oh, you're right, my political incorrectness has the same reaction. However!
As the child of a police officer, I very CLEARLY recall the backhand up the side of my head that I received for handling a gun casually. And I never did it thoughtlessly again.
So, I reiterate, handling weapons in a casual manner is not Professional. People die from it. _I_ would not encourage it.
However, animations of people handling weapons in a properly respectful and professional manner seems perfectly right.
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Fireheart
I like the idea. It would be especially useful during costume contests where your weapon is integral to your look.
In CoH you could sorta do it by activating a power with no target to pull out your weapon for a few seconds but this sounds like it could be a lot more versatile.
"I don't think you understand the gravity of your situation."
I think pulling cowboy tricks with guns is perfectly fine. Tricks are very different than pointing guns at people. Lets not get silly here.
I'm talking about tossing a gun in the air and catching it in your holster, twirling the gun on your fingers....tricks, fun stuff we saw in the old western movies.
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A significant number of the idle animations in American McGee's Alice were just ... take a look for yourself ...
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I like this idea.....
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I'm with Fireheart on this one. When it comes to firearms, casual animations for cleaning, inspecting, unloading, reloading, etc. are an excellent idea. Twirling and flipping through the air. Nope. I do not want to see it out here in the real world and I do not want to see it ingame. No one who handles firearms regularly would find such animations "amusing". Seriously. I'd leave a team if some idiot is doing cowboy tricks with his virtual pop gun. I'm that serious about it. If I'm team leader, they get one warning and then they get dropped.
Martial Arts kata are a different thing altogether. Certain sword exercises suitable for solo training are also different.
Give a player an animation that lets them casually throw knives at other people and you'll see even worse hijinks than "batsmash" and "batsmashreact" brought out.
In short, I vote "no" for casual animations demonstrating stupid behavior with dangerous weapons and abilities.
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Political correctness strikes again.
If I remember, dual pistols were one of the most popular power sets in COH. with LOTS of fancy moves.
Its a superhero game. People are beating criminals into submission. We are already politically incorrect.
This is what we are redefining as scary, irresponsible, and politically incorrect?
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You keep talking about political correctness, as if that was a motivating factor. So, I consider it politically correct to not have stray bullets killing people a half mile from where some bozo mis-fired his weapon at 'nothing'. People who juggle gun-shaped objects clearly have talent. You may notice that they do NOT do this with a loaded weapon. Because, you know, shooting yourself in the apse earns you a laugh-track and a trip to the hospital. Accidentally shooting your buddy in the apse earns you a trip to jail.
You mention the wild animations in Dual Pistols and I can only point to the 'magic trajectory' in those animations, where the guns may be flying, but the bullets all go where the shooter wants them. Therefore, I can only excuse them because it's an apparently professional shooter with a deliberate target - which they HIT, despite appearing to shoot in random directions.
The animations you propose are Casual, under uncontrolled circumstances, the user is bored and unfocused. No 'magic trajectory' involved.
I'm sorry, sir, my personal experience with guns says that, when I take one in my hand, I am now Responsible for 1000 yards in every direction. At that point, my focus goes into putting the bullets where I want them and NOT, dear gods, no, anywhere else. I have seen what a stray bullet can do and I don't want to imagine that happening to a human - even an imaginary, pixelated one. Guns are not toys.
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Fireheart
Idle stances with/without weapons are in my mind a good thing. Sure they are fluff, but I liked my Smuggler in SWTOR pulling out his gun and shooting a coin when he was using his rest ability.
It starts to rain, pull out an umbrella from hammerspace... all this stuff whilst idle is, to a lesser or greater degree, more immersive. Hell, even just pulling out a newspaper or a phone when you are doing something else with the interface makes it feel more real. If not for YOU, then for the others around you.
I remember someone suggesting something similar about it, and I know that a couple of people felt that it was low on the pecking order due to it not being "essential". This would fall in the same boat.
Idle animations are fun, even better if they get tied into "interface actions" as well at the same time.
Essentially this IS a politically correct argument. These twirling tricks are found all thoughout the movies. they are innocent expressions of expertise that takes years to master. Would you still object if they were preceded by an unloading animation?
Lighten up, Francis. this is a game.
Hence their inclusion in a superhero game that can be played by...children
COH never incurred any problems with dual pistols. Let's not create problems where none exist.
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Did I miss something somewhere? When has an honest discussion of firearm safety EVER been "politically correct"?
The game designers are free to do whatever they like. I am free to boot idiots from my teams for any arbitrary reason I desire.
Political correctness has NOTHING to do with it.
You have convinced me beyond a shadow of doubt you know nothing about firearms. Perhaps I am mistaken, but that is the very clear impression I'm getting.
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Every time that someone implies or hints that [i]easy access to LETHAL FORCE[/i] is not something that ought to be given out to anyone and everyone, because ... stupid/bad/irresponsible/messed up people exist.
It happens every single time that such a discussion MIGHT imply that fewer firearms should be SOLD, let alone made/manufactured.
Suffice it to say, there are a lot of extremist views on the subject of firearms, and powerful lobbies pushing those extremist views, and they will brook no discussion of the merits or consequences of those absolutist views concerning the "right to own" so as to prevent any evaluation of the question of "wisdom to own and use" because of where the latter might lead.
That's why it is unlawful to gather statistics on gun violence in the United States ... because if someone did, people might LEARN SOMETHING that couldn't be unlearned. Best to prevent that kind of knowledge from ever emerging into the light of day, and thus the extremists get worked up over every molehill (and there are a lot of extremists).
Linus van Pelt has his [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_van_Pelt#Security_Blanket]security blanket[/url].
A lot of people possess firearms for the same reason. Go figure.
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My stance is, Prove Your Responsible Before Getting It. Only problem is, how each state Proves that. ;)
This isn't an honest discussion about firearms safety...its a kneejerk reaction to a fantasy environment.
It's the exact same thinking that got us Robbie the robot instead of the human torch and got the roadrunner censored.
Political correctness is the best term for this kind of thinking.
Pretty much everything that needs to be said about the controversy of doing tricks with dangerous weapons in a game can be found in these two comments. In a fantastic world of superhumans, gunslingers and swordsmen can be reasonably expected to be so good that they [i]never make a mistake when doing inane tricks.[/i] Besides, we don't necessarily [i]have[/i] to use these idles in-game. They could be toggle-able or purchasable instead, therefore preventing those who value realism over larger-than-life portrayals from getting so enraged.
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Yep. Political correctness ruins everything.
Getting upset over old west tricks that have been around for a 100 years is plain silly.
There is no safety issue here. It's a knee jerk PC issue: "guns are bad." The tricks are always done with unloaded weapons. and they are done by professionals.
Besides: tossing about lightning bolts and fireballs are far more lethal. THIS IS A FANTASY GAME. chill.
Gun tricks will hurt no one.
and again I say, COH had fancy moves with dual pistols and no one cared.
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>> I know a good deal about firearms. I hunt and I practice on the range.
I don't do the tricks because they take years of practice.
On the other hand I have no basic fear of guns, and I will not boot people from my team who disagree with my politics.
Please. Cut the hostility. People are allowed to disagree with you.
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Well, then can we agree that my reaction is to the idea of stray bullets flying in my window, and Not anything about politics? I have imagination, not dogma. I simply prefer professionalism and serious thought, when it comes to dealing death at a distance. "Yah-HOO! Look'ee wut I kin Do!" does not reassure me.
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Fireheart
Who is talking about shooting bullets through windows??!!!!
Only YOU.
I'm sorry that you are so threatened by innocent tricks. This is City of Titans not gangland America.
Just put the political correctness down and walk away. We all get it, "Guns are bad."
Fact is, guns will be a part of the game. Does that threaten you too?
COH managed to have fancy animations for pistols and no fragile flowers cried for mercy.
Maybe guns are not for you. OK. Don't use them.
[b]But don't accuse other people of shooting through windows just because you disagree.[/b]
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I can fully agree that not wanting to be hit by a stray bullet is not a political agenda. If that was all this was no one would argue (or rather only simple people would).
But that's not what is happening...its been stated that they don't want this in because it does not teach proper gun safety. That's why its political correctness.... because people don't trust others to see things as they really are and want to official protection for the masses to stop them from possibly making a mistake.
How do you reconcile the fact that heroes can arrest someone by unloading those same distance death dealing weapons? How about knives or swords....making robot minions dance.
It is categorically ridiculous to single out the concept of idle animations in a video game where people do all manner of dangerous stuff with weapons and say...that's too far.
The US armed forces have conducted rifle drills for decades. I wouldn't accuse any of them of being reckless or frivolous about that. So it's all a matter of context, really. I would be APPALLED if a friend of mine randomly pulled out a loaded revolver and started trying to do a bunch of circus tricks with it, but that's real life. If they were doing such with a prop gun or even a revolver I knew to be unloaded I'd be fine with it. Why would I have any reservation about images DEPICTING circus tricks with revolvers then? Because it encourages more idiots to try to do them with loaded guns in real life? While it's never a good idea to give idiots more bad ideas, I don't think we need a law against images of cartoon/3D computer animations depicting persons with exceptional training or superhuman abilities doing stuff like that, nor would I complain if CoT had emotes for that.
I mean, when I was a kid, my friends and I all saw this scene
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and immediately afterward tried to replicate it with a PLASTIC knife. But even as kids we were smart enough not to try it "for real" with a sharp metal knife.
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*sigh* If we are going to prevent people who a dumb, idiots and/or have problems telling fiction apart from reality from doing things that might hurt them or others by excluding certain animations then we will have almost no animations at all.
What makes gun tricks so special that it needs to be considered in this regard compared to everything else in this game that might give certain people "bad ideas" like jumping down long distances or even something simple as just brawling?
*facepalm*
Access to lethal force is a basic human right. Every human has a natural right to defend themselves from predators, two-legged ones or otherwise. Access to lethal force does not equate to application of unnecessary lethal force in the absence of a threat. That would be murder. No one has a right to go around murdering people or animals or even plants, for that matter. Civilized human behavior begins with the ability to discern a genuine threat and respect the right of other life forms to exist in whatever manner they choose provided they do not present a genuine threat.
Naturally that does not prevent some individuals from failing to adopt civilized behavior. Which is exactly why access to lethal force is an inherent human right. Sadly, sometimes it really is necessary.
There is no legal limit to researching, gathering, or analyzing facts related to violence and the use of firearms in the United States. None whatsoever. There are limits in using government money to pay for that research. Those limits had to be put in place because numerous studies were paid for by the CDC using federal funds that had no relation at all to gathering and analyzing facts. Those studies were pure propaganda exercises that used misleading or completely false data to present a fantasy justifying the restriction of the right to lethal force from American citizens with a lifetime of proven civilized behavior. Because those reports had the stamp of the federal government, they were given a credibility they neither deserved nor earned, all paid for with money taken from the pockets of hardworking American firearms owners through taxation.
Like it or not, dem's da facts.
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Just for giggles and in no way meant to be a legit argument....
I'm hungry can someone point me to a murdering cow and some homicidal potatoes so I can have a burger and fries for lunch?
Yes, but you'll have to be the Tick, to get them.
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Fireheart
You got the reference...yay.