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The cancelled open-world Superman game

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The cancelled open-world Superman game

Mecha-sized Metallo fight @ 2:29. :(

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We missed out on something good here...

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Think the last Superman left

Think the last Superman left a really bad taste in their mouths and really probably glad this got cancelled. Nice vid tho.

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It might have been a good

It might have been a good game for what it was but I ever since CoH (and really decades of table-top RPGing before that) the idea of playing pretty much any game as someone else's pre-created character seems off-putting to me.

Sure Superman is cool enough but I'd much rather (by a huge margin) play a game with a character I created instead of one someone else did 80+ years ago. This is why I've never even considered playing DCUO or Marvel Heroes. Nothing wrong with DC or Marvel characters - just have zero desire to play a computer game as any of them.

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Lothic wrote:
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but I ever since CoH (and really decades of table-top RPGing before that) the idea of playing pretty much any game as someone else's pre-created character seems off-putting to me.

+1, though obviously many do not feel that way or Marvel Heroes wouldn't be doing so well.

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Empyrean wrote:
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+1, though obviously many do not feel that way or Marvel Heroes wouldn't be doing so well.

Eh, it's probably the same reason why all the sports games that let you play with the real life stars do so well - lot's of people apparently want to "pretend" they are actually the exact people they enjoy watching/reading about. I'll just stand by my preference for coming up with my OWN fictional personas when I play "make-believe". *shrugs*

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Gotta agree with Lothic here.

Gotta agree with Lothic here. I don't want to play YOUR* character. I want to play MINE.

I can't even play games like Black Desert, because each class is locked into playing as a specific appearance template. They may have fairly substantial customization options, but you're still locked within the bounds of the same overall parameters for every character of the class. The Wizard starts of as Gandalf, and there's precious little that the great many sliders and options they give you can do to get away from the cliched "Wizened old man" trope. (Conversely, the Wizard's female class counterpart, the Witch, went Halloween Party Sexy Witch Costume, instead of the old crone trope that would have been the fitting contemporary.)

I also have a penchant for going against type that doesn't help matters.

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You probably have to be a DC

You probably have to be a DC fanboy/girl to appreciate the awesomeness of this.

Lothic wrote:

It might have been a good game for what it was but I ever since CoH (and really decades of table-top RPGing before that) the idea of playing pretty much any game as someone else's pre-created character seems off-putting to me.
Sure Superman is cool enough but I'd much rather (by a huge margin) play a game with a character I created instead of one someone else did 80+ years ago. This is why I've never even considered playing DCUO or Marvel Heroes. Nothing wrong with DC or Marvel characters - just have zero desire to play a computer game as any of them.

DCUO has character creation, you don't play as one f their characters in the main game. There is a series of PVP and PVE games where you can play as a DC character, however.

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Think the last Superman left a really bad taste in their mouths and really probably glad this got cancelled.

You're really glad? Why? There's no indication this would be like the N64 Superman game, if that's what you're referring to. It looked amazing to me.

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I've been disillusioned by

I've been disillusioned by open world games. The only games with an open world mechanic I like are the Souls and Gothic series games, and neither are open world in the sense of letting you go anywhere anytime because they don't give a flying shit about level scaling and are really just organically instanced. Witcher 3 was a great game, but the open world had the littlest influence on that. Without the quests and excellent dialogues I would've stopped long before I eventually did.

I guess the game might've turned out nice, but probably not better than good old Spyro.

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For me, the biggest let down

For me, the biggest let down of a cancellation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-557HoztwE

But the same applies here, I do not want to play as MegaMan nor Zero. The Superman game is no different.

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Gluke wrote:You probably have
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Lothic wrote:
It might have been a good game for what it was but I ever since CoH (and really decades of table-top RPGing before that) the idea of playing pretty much any game as someone else's pre-created character seems off-putting to me.
Sure Superman is cool enough but I'd much rather (by a huge margin) play a game with a character I created instead of one someone else did 80+ years ago. This is why I've never even considered playing DCUO or Marvel Heroes. Nothing wrong with DC or Marvel characters - just have zero desire to play a computer game as any of them.
DCUO has character creation, you don't play as one f their characters in the main game. There is a series of PVP and PVE games where you can play as a DC character, however.

My actual understanding of DCUO is that you're basically forced into being a "near exact clone" of one of the established characters or maybe something more like a "next generation" version of the old originals because your powers are basically tied directly to the powers of the established characters via "Brainiac Exobytes". Either way that's still too much like "playing someone else's character concept" for my tastes. Like I said before I have no problem with Superman... I just don't want to have to thank him as the explanation for my characters' superpowers.

At least we could probably agree that with games like CoH and CoT there's no forced pretense to making your characters even remotely like anybody else's.

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Phararri wrote:
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For me, the biggest let down of a cancellation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-557HoztwE
But the same applies here, I do not want to play as MegaMan nor Zero. The Superman game is no different.

Again, depends how much you like the DC background and characters. It also helps if they use many obscure characters with some element of variety, as this cancelled game was apparently going to do, and also if they allow some level of customization for further variety and distinctiveness. Apparently, Injustice 2 is planing to deliver in both respects, which I can't wait for.

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Lothic wrote:
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Gluke wrote:
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It might have been a good game for what it was but I ever since CoH (and really decades of table-top RPGing before that) the idea of playing pretty much any game as someone else's pre-created character seems off-putting to me.
Sure Superman is cool enough but I'd much rather (by a huge margin) play a game with a character I created instead of one someone else did 80+ years ago. This is why I've never even considered playing DCUO or Marvel Heroes. Nothing wrong with DC or Marvel characters - just have zero desire to play a computer game as any of them.
DCUO has character creation, you don't play as one f their characters in the main game. There is a series of PVP and PVE games where you can play as a DC character, however.
My actual understanding of DCUO is that you're basically forced into being a "near exact clone" of one of the established characters or maybe something more like a "next generation" version of the old originals because your powers are basically tied directly to the powers of the established characters via "Brainiac Exobytes". Either way that's still too much like "playing someone else's character concept" for my tastes. Like I said before I have no problem with Superman... I just don't want to have to thank him as the explanation for my characters' superpowers.
At least we could probably agree that with games like CoH and CoT there's no forced pretense to making your characters even remotely like anybody else's.

Not exactly - the exobytes are a plot device to explain all the PC's superpowers, but those powers are independent of any of the established characters and not connected to them. The costume customization gives several optional costume sets inspired by several big name DC characters, seemingly as a fanservice nod towards players who would like to play as those characters (but can't, for the most part) or just to provide general inspiration for costume builds, but they are just cosmetic, not connected to anything else and indeed I don't recall seeing any other players actually wearing those costume pieces and colours as presented (which may also be because most of them look bad and nothing really like the characters they're based on).
The DCUO game seems to have to balance the customization elements of an MMO with the fact that in DCU, they couldn't upset the established order and the background too much, they couldn't have Batman and friends overshadowed by the roles occupied by PCs in the story, because then it wouldn't be recognizably DC. Which means that any PC basically spends the whole time playing as a new minor Z-list hero or villain in the DC universe who occasionally helps out or gets to meet the big guns in passing, crucially but extremely briefly. You don't get to rise beyond that role or make any other difference to the background. It is a truly humble fanchild experience something akin to the bespectacled 'Fan Spittoon' guy from The Boys by Garth Ennis, who waits subserviently on the Wonder Woman-expy Maeve with masochistic joy in return for the sheer experience of being in her presence.
Maybe that's a bit harsh, but fair.

Edit: here is the aformentioned character dying, largely also indicative of your role in DCUO: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3291407

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Gluke wrote:
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Not exactly - the exobytes are a plot device to explain all the PC's superpowers, but those powers are independent of any of the established characters and not connected to them. The costume customization gives several optional costume sets inspired by several big name DC characters, seemingly as a fanservice nod towards players who would like to play as those characters (but can't, for the most part) or just to provide general inspiration for costume builds, but they are just cosmetic, not connected to anything else and indeed I don't recall seeing any other players actually wearing those costume pieces and colours as presented (which may also be because most of them look bad and nothing really like the characters they're based on).
The DCUO game seems to have to balance the customization elements of an MMO with the fact that in DCU, they couldn't upset the established order and the background too much, they couldn't have Batman and friends overshadowed by the roles occupied by PCs in the story, because then it wouldn't be recognizably DC. Which means that any PC basically spends the whole time playing as a new minor Z-list hero or villain in the DC universe who occasionally helps out or gets to meet the big guns in passing, crucially but extremely briefly. You don't get to rise beyond that role or make any other difference to the background. It is a truly humble fanchild experience something akin to the bespectacled 'Fan Spittoon' guy from The Boys by Garth Ennis, who waits subserviently on the Wonder Woman-expy Maeve with masochistic joy in return for the sheer experience of being in her presence.
Maybe that's a bit harsh, but fair.
Edit: here is the aformentioned character dying, largely also indicative of your role in DCUO: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3291407

Once again basically everything you've described about how players characters work in DCUO screams that you can't really play your OWN characters in the game because they have to be pigeon-holed into being minor C-grade knockoffs and/or pseudo-sidekicks of the main DC characters. What if I want to have a character in DCUO that's not based on the whole Exobyte nonsense? Sure even CoH tried to have its own version of the "Super Friends" (with Statesman et. al.) but there was never any pretense that your characters ever had to be related to them (or subservient to them) in the least.

I get what you're saying about DCUO but to me the game is still way too geared toward player characters having to play second-fiddle to the main established DC pantheon. Basically I'd much rather stick to a game like CoT that will likely not try to coerce you into locking yourself into the game's pre-established lore.

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