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Anyone see Wonder Woman yet? Thumbs up or down?

With the running trend of DC movies to suck, I'm a bit hesitant to go. But WW looks different.

did you like it or not? and please no spoilers.
what I am reality asking is this a big screen experience or a video purchase?

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I'm gonna see it on monday

I'm gonna see it on monday

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It's currently got a 94%

It's currently got a 94% rating on Rotten Tomatoes with 222 reviewers giving it a "thumbs up". That's seems pretty encouraging. We plan on seeing it some time this weekend.

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Lothic wrote:
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It's currently got a 94% rating on Rotten Tomatoes with 222 reviewers giving it a "thumbs up". That's seems pretty encouraging. We plan on seeing it some time this weekend.

It's good. However, 94% yes, but the average rating is 7.6/10. Something to remember when seeing it and I only bring up, because far to often people see the RT score without looking at other aspects of the site.

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Lothic wrote:
It's currently got a 94% rating on Rotten Tomatoes with 222 reviewers giving it a "thumbs up". That's seems pretty encouraging. We plan on seeing it some time this weekend.
It's good. However, 94% yes, but the average rating is 7.6/10. Something to remember when seeing it and I only bring up, because far to often people see the RT score without looking at other aspects of the site.

True enough. Still when 222 humans say something is "good" and only 15 say it's "bad" it's probably worth seeing. Also when a movie is so lop-sided in terms of mostly positive or negative reviews I like to focus on reading the "minority reports". When you read the "bad" reviews for this particular movie it's clear most of them simply hate superhero movies in general and were probably predisposed to hate on this movie regardless. Based on that it's probably safe to disregard them in this case.

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I have not yet seen it, but

I have not yet seen it, but my friends that have all give it a definite thumbs up.

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Lothic wrote:
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It's currently got a 94% rating on Rotten Tomatoes with 222 reviewers giving it a "thumbs up". That's seems pretty encouraging. We plan on seeing it some time this weekend.
It's good. However, 94% yes, but the average rating is 7.6/10. Something to remember when seeing it and I only bring up, because far to often people see the RT score without looking at other aspects of the site.
True enough. Still when 222 humans say something is "good" and only 15 say it's "bad" it's probably worth seeing. Also when a movie is so lop-sided in terms of mostly positive or negative reviews I like to focus on reading the "minority reports". When you read the "bad" reviews for this particular movie it's clear most of them simply hate superhero movies in general and were probably predisposed to hate on this movie regardless. Based on that it's probably safe to disregard them in this case.

Oh, I agree. I saw one of them that said something akin to "We have to many superhero movies now."

Which I couldn't help but reply, "No one ever says we have to many dramas. Comedies. Action. Horror. But for some some reason, to many super hero movies is a thing." :p

I personally give it a 9/10 (which is what I gave MoS, but not BvS or SS).

My daughter would still rather be Spider-Man than Wonder Woman. So, we're still waiting for Spidey more :p

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I personally give it a 9/10 (which is what I gave MoS, but not BvS or SS).

That's good. I've read if this movie does well it might break the Hollywood curse of movies like Catwoman and Electra and we might finally get more female superhero movies.

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My daughter would still rather be Spider-Man than Wonder Woman. So, we're still waiting for Spidey more :p

Well at least making a female ccopy of Spider-Man should be doable in CoT, especially if they actually give us some version of a Zipline/Swing travel power.

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Going to see it with Redlynne

Going to see it with Redlynne tomorrow. What I've heard tends to rank it at about the same level as The First Avenger.

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Going to see it with Redlynne tomorrow. What I've heard tends to rank it at about the same level as The First Avenger.

That good? Wow...

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Saw it last night. Good sized

Saw it last night. Good sized crowd. Worth seeing, and that's not just in comparison to the other DC movies.

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Thank goodness. I was worried

Thank goodness. I was worried for a bit. OK, I will brave the crowds and go see it

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In about twenty-seven hours,

In about twenty-seven hours, I should be in a ridiculously comfy chair watching the last of the trailers before the movie starts. ^_^

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I was very pleased with it.

I was very pleased with it. Enjoyed the humor, appreciated the amazing real-life stunt actors, teared up at the right spots, let slip a few excited outbursts, stayed through the end of the credits, yeah. This felt really well done. Nothing super surprising anywhere in it, but it didn't need complicated plot twists. Effects did not outweigh plot and acting. The story was solid and well acted. Theater, and then small screen vid later.

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Just got back. The comparison

Just got back. The comparison with The First Avenger was well earned. Definitely worth seeing.

The fact that she gets the better of Captain Kirk is even better.

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Just got back. The comparison with The First Avenger was well earned. Definitely worth seeing.
The fact that she gets the better of Captain Kirk is even better.

Yet Kirk kept his tradition alive. :o

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It's a good film. Go see it

It's a good film. Go see it in theaters.


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I'll be honest, since I'm a

I'll be honest, since I'm a historian, my interest in the upcoming Dunkirk film removed any desire I might have to see it in theatres.

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I'll be honest, since I'm a historian, my interest in the upcoming Dunkirk film removed any desire I might have to see it in theatres.

The Wonder Woman movie is set during World War I. The Battle of Dunkirk was in World War II. Not going to see a superhero movie on the basis of real life history, especially when we're talking about two different points in history, really makes no sense whatsoever.

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Terwyn wrote:
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I'll be honest, since I'm a historian, my interest in the upcoming Dunkirk film removed any desire I might have to see it in theatres.

"It" refers to "Wonder Woman" or "Dunkirk"?

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The airplane you see crash

The airplane you see crash into the ocean in the movie trailers for Wonder Woman is an Eindecker E.III.

I'm not a history buff like Terwyn, but I don't recall there being any E.IIIs involved in the Battle of Dunkirk.


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But the Dunkirk trailer is

But the Dunkirk trailer is just a trailer. I don't understand what the issue is here.

EDIT: It's in the normal trailer slot, before the WW movie. (Or, it was for my showing.) I don't think it was meant to imply any continuity with the main feature.

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But the Dunkirk trailer is just a trailer. I don't understand what the issue is here.
EDIT: It's in the normal trailer slot, before the WW movie. (Or, it was for my showing.) I don't think it was meant to imply any continuity with the main feature.

I suspect just about the only thing in "common" these two movies have are some scenes of warfare in western Europe. Beyond that they're likely to be fairly "apples and oranges" different. I can certainly understand liking one type of movie (superhero fantasy) over another type (a pseudo-documentary about WWII) but not seeing one in the theater only because the other is coming out a couple of months later continues to baffle me.

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I'll be honest, since I'm a historian, my interest in the upcoming Dunkirk film removed any desire I might have to see it in theatres.
The Wonder Woman movie is set during World War I. The Battle of Dunkirk was in World War II. Not going to see a superhero movie on the basis of real life history, especially when we're talking about two different points in history, really makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm aware of that, actually. My specialty is the First World War, so it's also true that I wasn't very impressed with the treatment of the period. Having had family in the Dunkirk evacuation, I'd rather not have to deal with mentally nitpicking another film's historical sins. That, and waiting for WW to be on Netflix makes it easier to co-ordinate seeing it with friends. Not everyone has the luxury of seeing a film every month.

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But if you can see it, do so.

But if you can see it, do so. 2 thumbs up.

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I'm aware of that, actually. My specialty is the First World War, so it's also true that I wasn't very impressed with the treatment of the period. Having had family in the Dunkirk evacuation, I'd rather not have to deal with mentally nitpicking another film's historical sins. That, and waiting for WW to be on Netflix makes it easier to co-ordinate seeing it with friends. Not everyone has the luxury of seeing a film every month.

When has Hollywood EVER depicted real life history to the full satisfaction of anyone who specializes in a given period of history? You could probably count those movies with the fingers of one hand. If you set your standards too high you'll never allow yourself to enjoy anything. Besides do you really think the Dunkirk movie will perfectly adhere to the historical realities? In this age of CGI glory-fests I'll give that maybe 1 chance in a 100...

Now I get that not everyone can go see -every- movie in the movie theater and there are certainly plenty of movies out there that don't warrant a trip to the theater especially now that things like Netflix exist. But I'll still contend that not wanting to see Wonder Woman in the theater because of the roughly 10 minutes worth of fuzzy Hollywood-esque treatment of WWI trench warfare is a bit much. This is a comic book superhero movie - did you really expect (or even require) this movie to depict real life history at a documentary level of accuracy?

P.S. The WW movie is definitely worth seeing despite its inevitable historical inaccuracy, even if you choose to wait for it on Netflix.

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I just watched wonder woman..

I just watched wonder woman... I kind of want to play a wonder woman type character now... also? Fecking wow... wow that was good.... wooooooooooow....

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Terwyn wrote:
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I'll be honest, since I'm a historian, my interest in the upcoming Dunkirk film removed any desire I might have to see it in theatres.
The Wonder Woman movie is set during World War I. The Battle of Dunkirk was in World War II. Not going to see a superhero movie on the basis of real life history, especially when we're talking about two different points in history, really makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm aware of that, actually. My specialty is the First World War, so it's also true that I wasn't very impressed with the treatment of the period. Having had family in the Dunkirk evacuation, I'd rather not have to deal with mentally nitpicking another film's historical sins. That, and waiting for WW to be on Netflix makes it easier to co-ordinate seeing it with friends. Not everyone has the luxury of seeing a film every month.

Now I'm curious as to how old you are, to have had family in the Dunkirk evacuation, that it would really effect you that much. :p It sounds like you're very very old.

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Family legends can be very powerful.

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Terwyn doesn't have to be

Terwyn doesn't have to be -that- old. I had grandparents in their 30s during WWII and I don't consider myself to be "very very old" quite yet. One of my grandfathers worked on the Liberty ships for the war effort. Just saying Terwyn could have known a grandparent or other relative involved at Dunkirk without having to be ancient.

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It was a cousin of my

It was a cousin of my grandfather's (So to speak, we were a Scottish Acadian family at the time, so the Clan mentality was still very strong even two hundred and fifty years after the Clearances). My grandfather was the youngest in his family and at 17, tried to lie about his age to join the air force after his brother went MIA in Italy (He was a tail gunner in a Lancaster Bomber). My grandfather's cousin, on the other hand, knew what he was getting into as early as 1938, as his father served in the First World War and lost a leg and most of his mates in the process. He evacuated to Britain safely, and later returned to Canada for some specialized training.

It's because the memory and emotion of his mother having my grandfather read the telegram about his brother is still very strong that I became a historian. I'm only 33, but like most other historians, I can often feel centuries older. :)

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Terwyn wrote:
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It was a cousin of my grandfather's (So to speak, we were a Scottish Acadian family at the time, so the Clan mentality was still very strong even two hundred and fifty years after the Clearances). My grandfather was the youngest in his family and at 17, tried to lie about his age to join the air force after his brother went MIA in Italy (He was a tail gunner in a Lancaster Bomber). My grandfather's cousin, on the other hand, knew what he was getting into as early as 1938, as his father served in the First World War and lost a leg and most of his mates in the process. He evacuated to Britain safely, and later returned to Canada for some specialized training.
It's because the memory and emotion of his mother having my grandfather read the telegram about his brother is still very strong that I became a historian. I'm only 33, but like most other historians, I can often feel centuries older. :)

See... I figured it'd be something like that. Besides at 33 that makes you officially a good deal less "very very old" than I am. ;)

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I read a book on the Black

I read a book on the Black Plague, and as part of the author's notes, he comments that he forgot what century he was actually living in, having delved deep enough into the subject that it felt to him like what World War II would to those who had immediate relatives serving in it, so yeah, it's easy to lose track of time. :)

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On WW I'd give it a 8/10.

On WW I'd give it a 8/10. Guardians 2 I gave 7/10.

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Just came out of the cinema.

Just came out of the cinema. I really really liked it until Act 3, where for me it went into the kind of cgi overload that distances me emotionally from the characters. Up till that point it seemed gritty and personal.

Still the best film to come out of the DC universe so far imo. Not reaching the heights of the MCU, but better than the lows in either universe.

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I rescind my previous

I rescind my previous comments about the film, since my twin brother reminded me that I would be failing in my responsibility to keep abreast of the competition if I delayed too long in seeing it. Over all, I would have to say that I'm rather disappointed because it seemed too much like DC decided to steal the script for the first Captain America film and alter it to fit their mythos.

However, over all I'm glad I saw the film.

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Terwyn wrote:
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I rescind my previous comments about the film, since my twin brother reminded me that I would be failing in my responsibility to keep abreast of the competition if I delayed too long in seeing it. Over all, I would have to say that I'm rather disappointed because it seemed too much like DC decided to steal the script for the first Captain America film and alter it to fit their mythos.
However, over all I'm glad I saw the film.

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To be honest the whole sub-plot of collecting a "rag-tag" group of misfits to jump behind German lines did remind me a little too much of what they did in the first Captain America movie. Then again both of these comic book heroes (to various degrees) basically did the same thing as far as their wartime stories go so if anything I think we can blame the original comic book writers (of the 1940s era) at least as much as the people who created these modern movies. Yes they attempted to be a bit different with Wonder Woman by setting her in WWI instead of WWII but ultimately it was the same "Superhero fighting Germans in a World War" trope that almost every big comic book character used at the time.

For the most part I think this Wonder Woman movie was well done excusing it only for following the same basic "formula" that most of the American comics in the 1940's followed. It handled the WW origin story well enough (since there's been at least a dozen versions of that over the years) and even Chris Pine handled this version of the "Steve Trevor" character well enough. All in all it was about the best "non-Lynda Carter" WW story they probably could have come up with.

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My mom went to see it and

My mom went to see it and commented that she didn't remember any "children of Zeus" stuff from the comic books way back when. I had to tell her that was something DC changed with their relaunch in The New 52 some years ago, and they sure as hell wouldn't let the movie revert that.

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My mom went to see it and commented that she didn't remember any "children of Zeus" stuff from the comic books way back when. I had to tell her that was something DC changed with their relaunch in The New 52 some years ago, and they sure as hell wouldn't let the movie revert that.

Yeah the Wonder Woman origin story has been "reimagined" every few years since the 1940's especially between the all the comics and the TV shows/movies. That being said there have been elements of Zeus, Ares, Aphrodite and Hercules (to name a few) mentioned all the way back to the very beginning of the comic. All these various mythological characters have been woven into the WW backstory to greater or lesser degrees for decades.

For better or worse the "version" of it in this new movie seemed fairly straightforward and served the basic plot of the movie well enough.

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All I can say is that the

All I can say is that the Wonder Woman I grew up with was played by Lucy Lawless.

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All I can say is that the Wonder Woman I grew up with was played by Lucy Lawless.

Yeah as Xena she was pretty much the de facto "live action" Wonder Woman for the better part of 10-15 years. Had Hollywood gotten their collective act together and produced a -real- Wonder Woman show or movie during that time Lawless probably would've been an easy pick for it.

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My mom went to see it and commented that she didn't remember any "children of Zeus" stuff from the comic books way back when. I had to tell her that was something DC changed with their relaunch in The New 52 some years ago, and they sure as hell wouldn't let the movie revert that.
Yeah the Wonder Woman origin story has been "reimagined" every few years since the 1940's especially between the all the comics and the TV shows/movies. That being said there have been elements of Zeus, Ares, Aphrodite and Hercules (to name a few) mentioned all the way back to the very beginning of the comic. All these various mythological characters have been woven into the WW backstory to greater or lesser degrees for decades.
For better or worse the "version" of it in this new movie seemed fairly straightforward and served the basic plot of the movie well enough.

I like how there was/is a version of WW not being made of clay :p The movie seems to have gone that route, with the mom lying about the clay.

However, I haven't found a WW comic that was really fun to read. She was always better in the animations :) Kinda like Batman! >_> *whistles*

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Now I'm curious as to how old you are, to have had family in the Dunkirk evacuation, that it would really effect you that much. :p It sounds like you're very very old.

I'm sure you were joking about Terwyn being very very old. I recently turned 59 and my dad was in WWII. So 59 must be "very very old" or perhaps you are very very young? :P

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On the subject of WW I really

On the subject of WW I really enjoyed the movie. I think it is the shining light thus far in the DCEU.

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I'm sure you were joking about Terwyn being very very old. I recently turned 59 and my dad was in WWII. So 59 must be "very very old" or perhaps you are very very young? :P

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I just returned from seeing

I just returned from seeing it. Imop, it had been the best DC movie since the Nolan films. To me, those post-Nolan films set the bar pretty low.

I particualrly enjoyed the first 2 acts. The third felt a bit rushed with respect to a particular character and its related subplot.

I agree with the comments about it being similar to The First Avenger. But that was hardly the first movie to follow that formula.


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I'm sure you were joking about Terwyn being very very old. I recently turned 59 and my dad was in WWII. So 59 must be "very very old" or perhaps you are very very young? :P
Anyone who knows how to write a personal check or what it was like to live without the Internet is automatically "very, very old" to some people. ;)

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I agree with the comments about it being similar to The First Avenger. But that was hardly the first movie to follow that formula.

I didn't say that to peg anything with a formula. It was just something I could point at without spoiling the movie.

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I'm sure you were joking about Terwyn being very very old. I recently turned 59 and my dad was in WWII. So 59 must be "very very old" or perhaps you are very very young? :P
Anyone who knows how to write a personal check or what it was like to live without the Internet is automatically "very, very old" to some people. ;)

I know how to writer a personal check and I've been online since I was 8 on BBS. I couldn't imagine not being online.

And yet, I'm not addicted to my phone what so ever. :p

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I'm sure you were joking about Terwyn being very very old. I recently turned 59 and my dad was in WWII. So 59 must be "very very old" or perhaps you are very very young? :P
Anyone who knows how to write a personal check or what it was like to live without the Internet is automatically "very, very old" to some people. ;)
I know how to writer a personal check and I've been online since I was 8 on BBS. I couldn't imagine not being online.
And yet, I'm not addicted to my phone what so ever. :p

OK so maybe you aren't as "very, very young" as I was guessing you were. Still even I haven't written a check in probably 15 years and compared to today relatively few people were online 20ish years ago so I had a good shot either way. ;)

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I'm sure you were joking about Terwyn being very very old. I recently turned 59 and my dad was in WWII. So 59 must be "very very old" or perhaps you are very very young? :P
Anyone who knows how to write a personal check or what it was like to live without the Internet is automatically "very, very old" to some people. ;)
I know how to writer a personal check and I've been online since I was 8 on BBS. I couldn't imagine not being online.
And yet, I'm not addicted to my phone what so ever. :p
OK so maybe you aren't as "very, very young" as I was guessing you were. Still even I haven't written a check in probably 15 years and compared to today relatively few people were online 20ish years ago so I had a good shot either way. ;)

The only thing I write a check for, is to pay my mortgage (if I don't pay it in cash :p).

However, with CoH having come out in 2004 and having played it since almost (few months short :( ) the game cme out, feels like it sorta dates me there :p Though...possibly dates me on the younger side \o/ :D

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The movie was great, the

The movie was great, the special effects were very well done. The only thing that disappointed me was the third act and the actor chosen for the reveal. That actor is great in his own right but not as the big bad. I would much rather have had Gerard Butler in that role. Gal Gadot is amazing in this film. Lucy Lawless should have been in this movie. There is no excuse. Other than that I would give it a 9/10.

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The movie was great, the special effects were very well done. The only thing that disappointed me was the third act and the actor chosen for the reveal. That actor is great in his own right but not as the big bad. I would much rather have had Gerard Butler in that role. Gal Gadot is amazing in this film. Lucy Lawless should have been in this movie. There is no excuse. Other than that I would give it a 9/10.

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The actor playing the "main bad guy" was a fine actor and fit in perfectly during the earlier parts of the movie. But I'd agree that he somehow didn't quite "look" right for his final battle appearance. Let's just say I would have never picked a guy that looks like that to be who he was actually supposed to be in the movie.

And with all due respect to Lucy Lawless I think she might be a bit too old now to play an Amazon other than maybe Hippolyta, and if they were going to be that "on the nose" about it they could have gotten Lynda Carter to play that part. Maybe Lawless could have been a character Diana met in London or she could have been like a resistance fighter in that Belgian(?) village.

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Oh I agree that actor is

Oh I agree that actor is great and has great range. I just don't think he fit this specific role. I still think Lucy could have played Antiope instead of the Princess Bride. They are both around the same age (Lucy is 49 and Robin is 51) and it would have been a huge boon to fans everywhere. Lucy is one of the main characters in the new series Ash vs the Evil Dead and she plays a bad ass. I think with some prep time she could have gotten back in to the amazon spirit. Linda Carter would have been an awesome addition but I think she is in her late 60's by now? I could totally see her playing as an elder on the amazon council or something like that but not as Hyppolyta .

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I still think Lucy could have played Antiope instead of the Princess Bride. They are both around the same age (Lucy is 49 and Robin is 51) and it would have been a huge boon to fans everywhere. Lucy is one of the main characters in the new series Ash vs the Evil Dead and she plays a bad ass. I think with some prep time she could have gotten back in to the amazon spirit. Linda Carter would have been an awesome addition but I think she is in her late 60's by now? I could totally see her playing as an elder on the amazon council or something like that but not as Hyppolyta .

Have you seen Lynda Carter lately? She's 65 according to her wiki but she could pass for early/mid-50s easy. She recently played the President on the Supergirl show:

I'm not saying Lucy is "over the hill" by any means (I was aware of her role on Ash vs the Evil Dead) but clearly Lucy's "chance" to seriously play an amazon (or "the" Amazon) was maybe 15-20 years ago. I still think either Lucy or Lynda would have been a fun choice for Hippolyta in this movie given they both have a lot of fan support.

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I keep hoping they will kill

I keep hoping they will kill her character off in Supergirl :p

I don't see why they couldn't have had Lynda and Lucy have an unspoken cameo in the movie though. :p

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I keep hoping they will kill her character off in Supergirl :p

Booooo! If nothing else she classed up the joint. ;)

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I don't see why they couldn't have had Lynda and Lucy have an unspoken cameo in the movie though. :p

Sure either could have had a few second cameo like Stan Lee's been doing in the Marvel Movies.
Would've been even cooler to have had them both in a shared cameo.

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The actress is great. Don't

The actress is great. Don't care for the character :p

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Lynda Carter, just like Lindsay Wagner, has "still got it" ... that charismatic PRESENCE whenever she's on screen. In this case, you see Lynda on screen (in character) and just auto-magically think ... "yup, that's the President." ... without having any doubts about it.


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I agree Linda Carter is great

I agree Linda Carter is great and she does a really good job in Super Girl especially with her story twist. I guess its just my bias that when I think of Amazon badass I think of Lucy Lawless. The Linda Carter Wonder Woman was way before my time Although I did watch it on Nickelodeon's old TV programs channel. I forget what its called (TV Land I think?). Robin Wright did a great job as Antiope but I still think that Xena would have been a better choice and her sidekick Gabriel should have been in the movie. I really would have lost my shit in the movie theater if I would have seen them in the Themyscira scenes. I will say this though Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman costume does bear a very striking resemblance to Xena's costume.

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I don't see why they couldn't have had Lynda and Lucy have an unspoken cameo in the movie though. :p
Sure either could have had a few second cameo like Stan Lee's been doing in the Marvel Movies.
Would've been even cooler to have had them both in a shared cameo.

There's no point having Lucy on for a no-lines cameo, though.

But more importantly, there's a fundamental difference here compared to Stan Lee: Lynda Carter and Lucy Lawless are both actors, not writers, and would much, much rather have an actual speaking, acting role, doing real work, and not unpaid trivial cameos. Asking them to be there just for a cameo (which includes flying to and from whatever location they're shooting at, and fitting into the shooting schedule, easily a week or two) instead of an actual role is, frankly, offensive.

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Just saw it this weekend and

Just saw it this weekend and I also really enjoyed it. The exception being the big bad. Otherwise though the action and fight scenes were great. Gal Gadot really brings some intensity to the character. The facial expressions in the slow motion scenes really convey the strong presence of the character.

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I don't see why they couldn't have had Lynda and Lucy have an unspoken cameo in the movie though. :p
Sure either could have had a few second cameo like Stan Lee's been doing in the Marvel Movies.
Would've been even cooler to have had them both in a shared cameo.
There's no point having Lucy on for a no-lines cameo, though.
But more importantly, there's a fundamental difference here compared to Stan Lee: Lynda Carter and Lucy Lawless are both actors, not writers, and would much, much rather have an actual speaking, acting role, doing real work, and not unpaid trivial cameos. Asking them to be there just for a cameo (which includes flying to and from whatever location they're shooting at, and fitting into the shooting schedule, easily a week or two) instead of an actual role is, frankly, offensive.
If you can't give them real work, don't bother them.

Oh please don't be "so serious" about this - a few posts before this one you responded to I had ALREADY suggested that Lawless could have had some REAL scenes with Gadot in London or maybe in the war-torn Belgian village.

Either way believing that either of these "actresses" would have automatically turned down even a "mere cameo" in a movie like this is itself pretentious. Having either the most famous live action TV Wonder Woman actress and/or the most famous "fan-favored to play Wonder Woman in history other than Lynda" actress be involved in -any- way with the first major Hollywood Wonder Woman movie would have been a no-brainer for either them.

I simply used the "Stan Lee cameos" as an example - I'd bet a zillion quatloos that if the makers of this Wonder Woman movie had seriously wanted Lawless or Carter to appear in the movie they would have given them at least a few precious lines of dialogue to justify their lofty participation.

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Oh please don't be "so serious" about this - a few posts before this one you responded to I had ALREADY suggested that Lawless could have had some REAL scenes with Gadot in London or maybe in the war-torn Belgian village.
Either way believing that either of these "actresses" would have automatically turned down even a "mere cameo" in a movie like this is itself pretentious. Having either the most famous live action TV Wonder Woman actress and/or the most famous "fan-favored to play Wonder Woman in history other than Lynda" actress be involved in -any- way with the first major Hollywood Wonder Woman movie would have been a no-brainer for either them.
I simply used the "Stan Lee cameos" as an example - I'd bet a zillion quatloos that if the makers of this Wonder Woman movie had seriously wanted Lawless or Carter to appear in the movie they would have given them at least a few precious lines of dialogue to justify their lofty participation.

How about you crank it down a notch or two there Lothic. What makes you the preeminent authority on everything everywhere?

Look at the latest DC movie reboots. Superman and Batman did not employ a Marvelesque "Stan Lee Cameo" in those movies. DC is rebooting the universe and is trying to make a super serious world.
It appears that the Wonder Woman movie is a great success, weaves into this new DC world and is a "fresh" restart of the character. Why would they (DC) break from their strategy just to make some fans wet their pants? Also, this Gal Gadot version of WW deserves to stand on her own. It does not need Lynda/Lucy to appear to prop up the character or to sell tickets.

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Oh please don't be "so serious" about this - a few posts before this one you responded to I had ALREADY suggested that Lawless could have had some REAL scenes with Gadot in London or maybe in the war-torn Belgian village.
Either way believing that either of these "actresses" would have automatically turned down even a "mere cameo" in a movie like this is itself pretentious. Having either the most famous live action TV Wonder Woman actress and/or the most famous "fan-favored to play Wonder Woman in history other than Lynda" actress be involved in -any- way with the first major Hollywood Wonder Woman movie would have been a no-brainer for either them.
I simply used the "Stan Lee cameos" as an example - I'd bet a zillion quatloos that if the makers of this Wonder Woman movie had seriously wanted Lawless or Carter to appear in the movie they would have given them at least a few precious lines of dialogue to justify their lofty participation.
How about you crank it down a notch or two there Lothic. What makes you the preeminent authority on everything everywhere?
Look at the latest DC movie reboots. Superman and Batman did not employ a Marvelesque "Stan Lee Cameo" in those movies. DC is rebooting the universe and is trying to make a super serious world.
It appears that the Wonder Woman movie is a great success, weaves into this new DC world and is a "fresh" restart of the character. Why would they (DC) break from their strategy just to make some fans wet their pants? Also, this Gal Gadot version of WW deserves to stand on her own. It does not need Lynda/Lucy to appear to prop up the character or to sell tickets.

*sigh* All I ever said is that a cameo by Lawless or Carter might have been FUN and all I get in return is either "Those actresses are too good to ever demean themselves to stoop so low" from one person and a bunch of "You don't know everything about everything" claptrap from someone else.

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Lynda Carter, just like Lindsay Wagner, has "still got it" ... that charismatic PRESENCE whenever she's on screen. In this case, you see Lynda on screen (in character) and just auto-magically think ... "yup, that's the President." ... without having any doubts about it.

Yes, but it became to far fetched for me, once she was found out to be an alien and stayed president :p

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Lynda Carter, just like Lindsay Wagner, has "still got it" ... that charismatic PRESENCE whenever she's on screen. In this case, you see Lynda on screen (in character) and just auto-magically think ... "yup, that's the President." ... without having any doubts about it.
Yes, but it became to far fetched for me, once she was found out to be an alien and stayed president :p

A comic-book based show can't have a non-human president? ;)

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Oh please don't be "so serious" about this - a few posts before this one you responded to I had ALREADY suggested that Lawless could have had some REAL scenes with Gadot in London or maybe in the war-torn Belgian village.
Either way believing that either of these "actresses" would have automatically turned down even a "mere cameo" in a movie like this is itself pretentious. Having either the most famous live action TV Wonder Woman actress and/or the most famous "fan-favored to play Wonder Woman in history other than Lynda" actress be involved in -any- way with the first major Hollywood Wonder Woman movie would have been a no-brainer for either them.
I simply used the "Stan Lee cameos" as an example - I'd bet a zillion quatloos that if the makers of this Wonder Woman movie had seriously wanted Lawless or Carter to appear in the movie they would have given them at least a few precious lines of dialogue to justify their lofty participation.
How about you crank it down a notch or two there Lothic. What makes you the preeminent authority on everything everywhere?
Look at the latest DC movie reboots. Superman and Batman did not employ a Marvelesque "Stan Lee Cameo" in those movies. DC is rebooting the universe and is trying to make a super serious world.
It appears that the Wonder Woman movie is a great success, weaves into this new DC world and is a "fresh" restart of the character. Why would they (DC) break from their strategy just to make some fans wet their pants? Also, this Gal Gadot version of WW deserves to stand on her own. It does not need Lynda/Lucy to appear to prop up the character or to sell tickets.
*sigh* All I ever said is that a cameo by Lawless or Carter might have been FUN and all I get in return is either "Those actresses are too good to ever demean themselves to stoop so low" from one person and a bunch of "You don't know everything about everything" claptrap from someone else.
What's it like to be so jaded and cynical?

I agree with you. :)

It's not like actors don't like to cameo in movies. Daniel Craig did an uncredited, never see his face, cameo in Star Wars. Sean Connery did an uncredited role in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. Miley Cyrus did an uncredited voice role in Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2.

Sometimes, actors just like or are just willing to do a cameo.

Lynda and/or Lucy in a seen but not heard (or maybe heard) cameo, would be just that, a cameo. The reasons for the cameos would have been obvious.

Ann Wolfe as Artemis was basically just that, a cameo. Hell, they likely wasted such a cameo on Artemis, as Ann Wolfe likely can't act :p So casting Ann in the role was a waste, as Artemis is a significant enough character in WW to waste the part on Ann.

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For the record? I'm going to put my 2 cents here.... Man of Steel and Suicide Squad where okay.... just okay for me atleast and I hated Batman vs Superman... the problem with the DC cinematic universe before Wonder Woman is the problem I have whenever a superhero film tries to be "realistic", especially when you try to do it with something that was never meant to be capepunk in the first place like the DC universe.... the line of disbelief becomes too staticy to make a coherent story... a story like that seems to pick and choose what's realistic and talks to down to you if you don't immediately take it at it's word... I mean we're supposed to believe that an alien species that looks exactly like a human and can touch things without piercing them immediately due to such a great force of power behind such a small surface area yet I'm supposed to believe that a physical god couldn't save metropolis? It feels weird and tone deaf.... when making something from a fantastical genre you have to make a clear line of disbelief and you have to have ways of pushing that line of disbelief down. Take for instance Paul Dini's run on Batman the Animated Series. It was dark sure but it also had multiple ways of pushing the line of disbelief down so that you could believe in mad science and magic and all that sort of stuff. For one thing? It made sure to make things very clear that this wasn't our world, Gotham city was a place with modern technology that had 1930's dress gothic architecture and Zeppelins. From the moment you began watching an episode to the moment you stopped you knew for a fact that this wasn't our world. Another thing they did was add humour and memorable quotes to the show, not enough that it overshadowed the more serious nature of the show but enough that you knew that it was okay not to take everything seriously, thus pushing that line of disbelief down even further. Wonder Woman? Brought that back, the thing that made Batman the Animated series so popular in a way that the DC cinematic franchise should have been all along... Wonder Woman was dark for a properly done Superhero movie, not a capepunk movie, but a superhero movie, and sure while it had light elements it still made you question the nature of evil and war and it did show the audience the consequences of war, but most importantly the darker elements were used... this isn't superman letting people die just to save lois or batman lighting someone on fire, these where elements that served the story and the story's message.

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I don't remember Superman

I don't remember Superman letting people die just to save Lois.

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It's in BvS, there's this

It's in BvS, there's this whole scene where Superman comes and just saves Lois and then Batman cries over their skeletal remains.

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I don't remember Superman letting people die just to save Lois.

As wonderful as this dramatically climactic scene was in highlighting Clark's everlasting love for Lois if you analyze what Supes actually did to the Earth in terms of simple physics you'd realize that the change in acceleration of the Earth's rotation being reversed and then turning it back again would have likely killed maybe 99.999% of the Earth's multi-cellular animal (much less human) population. Just a minor quibble to consider... ;)

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you can watch it here, even

you can watch it here, even though there are other civilians there he just picks up lois

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I mean like.... Superman knew

I mean like.... Superman knew she was there and he can easily fly all the way over there in like a minute... are you expecting me to believe he couldn't save those people?

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Lothic wrote:
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I don't remember Superman letting people die just to save Lois.

As wonderful as this dramatically climactic scene was in highlighting Clark's everlasting love for Lois if you analyze what Supes actually did to the Earth in terms of simple physics you'd realize that the change in acceleration of the Earth's rotation being reversed and then turning it back again would have likely killed maybe 99.999% of the Earth's multi-cellular animal (much less human) population. Just a minor quibble to consider... ;)

Nah not that, that movie actually managed to lower the line of disbelief enough so that you could effectively believe he could spin the earth around and reverse time without damaging the enviroment... I'm talking about the Napalmed corpses in BvS...

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I will say this though Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman costume does bear a very striking resemblance to Xena's costume.

Greaves, bracers ... check.
Skirt ... check.
Corset/bustier designed to emphasize the waist and chest ... check.

Except ... wait ... Xena has shoulder pauldrons and Wonder Woman doesn't. And Xena's costume has "bra straps" while Wonder Woman's is "strapless" above the ... neckline?

Yeah, I'm not seeing it. One of them is wearing LEATHER with wire bracing. The other is wearing banded metal plates.

If you think those two costumes look alike, consider the fact that Armor has a JOB to do, and that its form MUST follow its function or it fails (in the practical, rather than the costuming sense). Given that both actresses have (obviously female) humanoid forms, there's only but "so much" you can do to vary the appearance of the armor that they wear.

But contrast either of those costumes with ... well ... this ...


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The rescue scene seems to

The rescue scene seems to have him save Lois and no other civvies look to be hurt.

However, that said, I thought BvS kinda ruined all we gained in MoS for Clark. :/ He ended it happy and Superman like and then BvS happens. BvS just needed work. Besides the fact that it had Bruce looking and acting like a psycho instead of the world's greatest detective he's supposed to be.

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Lynda's WW is wearing spandex

Lynda's WW is wearing spandex. You know, typical of the superhero genre. It's not supposed to be armor.

I like how that can be mentioned, but people for get to mention how it wasn't any different for Adam's Batman who wore tights and no armor. :p Though, I'd argue with the bracelet's Lynda's WW has more armor than Adam's Batman.

Now, WW is a demi god (much better than the made of clay bit...which I believe is the route the comics take and I will bet the movie takes, with the mother lying about the clay) who uses a shield, the bracelets, the boots with metal and is godly durable. :p

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The rescue scene seems to have him save Lois and no other civvies look to be hurt.
However, that said, I thought BvS kinda ruined all we gained in MoS for Clark. :/ He ended it happy and Superman like and then BvS happens. BvS just needed work. Besides the fact that it had Bruce looking and acting like a psycho instead of the world's greatest detective he's supposed to be.

Well the napalmned corpses seem to be civvies... like why even show them at all? Superman can hear those people get attacked and threatened with napalm, he could've just swooped in there along the way and pick them before they even got a shot and then leave them on a roof somewhere before going to save Lois!!! These aren't supervillains!!! They're terrorists with normal guns and normal bullets, they don't even have kryptonite or atleast a sound blaster to agitate his super hearing. He left those people to die there in order to go after Lois and then he just went home.

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Brand X wrote:
The rescue scene seems to have him save Lois and no other civvies look to be hurt.
However, that said, I thought BvS kinda ruined all we gained in MoS for Clark. :/ He ended it happy and Superman like and then BvS happens. BvS just needed work. Besides the fact that it had Bruce looking and acting like a psycho instead of the world's greatest detective he's supposed to be.
Well the napalmned corpses seem to be civvies... like why even show them at all? Superman can hear those people get attacked and threatened with napalm, he could've just swooped in there along the way and pick them before they even got a shot and then leave them on a roof somewhere before going to save Lois!!! These aren't supervillains!!! They're terrorists with normal guns and normal bullets, they don't even have kryptonite or atleast a sound blaster to agitate his super hearing. He left those people to die there in order to go after Lois and then he just went home.

Didn't most of us already believe that Supes was a bit of "D---" to begin with? ;)

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The rescue scene seems to have him save Lois and no other civvies look to be hurt.
However, that said, I thought BvS kinda ruined all we gained in MoS for Clark. :/ He ended it happy and Superman like and then BvS happens. BvS just needed work. Besides the fact that it had Bruce looking and acting like a psycho instead of the world's greatest detective he's supposed to be.
Well the napalmned corpses seem to be civvies... like why even show them at all? Superman can hear those people get attacked and threatened with napalm, he could've just swooped in there along the way and pick them before they even got a shot and then leave them on a roof somewhere before going to save Lois!!! These aren't supervillains!!! They're terrorists with normal guns and normal bullets, they don't even have kryptonite or atleast a sound blaster to agitate his super hearing. He left those people to die there in order to go after Lois and then he just went home.

So Superman needs to save terrorists, because he's Superman?

Even in the comics he's not doing that. He'd actually never have time to do his reporter job, if he did do all those savings.

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notears wrote:
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The rescue scene seems to have him save Lois and no other civvies look to be hurt.
However, that said, I thought BvS kinda ruined all we gained in MoS for Clark. :/ He ended it happy and Superman like and then BvS happens. BvS just needed work. Besides the fact that it had Bruce looking and acting like a psycho instead of the world's greatest detective he's supposed to be.
Well the napalmned corpses seem to be civvies... like why even show them at all? Superman can hear those people get attacked and threatened with napalm, he could've just swooped in there along the way and pick them before they even got a shot and then leave them on a roof somewhere before going to save Lois!!! These aren't supervillains!!! They're terrorists with normal guns and normal bullets, they don't even have kryptonite or atleast a sound blaster to agitate his super hearing. He left those people to die there in order to go after Lois and then he just went home.
Didn't most of us already believe that Supes was a bit of "D---" to begin with? ;)

Well as a joke I guess but not as the actual superman in the movie franchise. I mean sure I've seen my fair share black humour shorts on the youtube where superman loses his mind but... this is the official cinematic universe for DC comics and quite frankly I want to see Superman... not some weird antihero version that's not even that consistent when it comes to the physics of it's world.... I want the boy scout not the superd---...

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...and the super**** parts

...and the super**** parts are usually due to mind control. Not Superman just being a ****

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...and the super**** parts are usually due to mind control. Not Superman just being a ****

Is that in the movie? I stopped watching after that...scene...

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I was referring to the comics

I was referring to the comics, for when people usually say he's being a super****. Though I guess there was that moment with his dog and throwing the ball in the movie. :p

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Brand X wrote:
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The rescue scene seems to have him save Lois and no other civvies look to be hurt.
However, that said, I thought BvS kinda ruined all we gained in MoS for Clark. :/ He ended it happy and Superman like and then BvS happens. BvS just needed work. Besides the fact that it had Bruce looking and acting like a psycho instead of the world's greatest detective he's supposed to be.
Well the napalmned corpses seem to be civvies... like why even show them at all? Superman can hear those people get attacked and threatened with napalm, he could've just swooped in there along the way and pick them before they even got a shot and then leave them on a roof somewhere before going to save Lois!!! These aren't supervillains!!! They're terrorists with normal guns and normal bullets, they don't even have kryptonite or atleast a sound blaster to agitate his super hearing. He left those people to die there in order to go after Lois and then he just went home.
So Superman needs to save terrorists, because he's Superman?
Even in the comics he's not doing that. He'd actually never have time to do his reporter job, if he did do all those savings.

Well not the terrorists but the civilians, not everyone in the middle east is a terrorist...

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Of course not, but it's not

Of course not, but it's not like he knows who's who by just looking at them and he still went to that area with one specific goal. Save Lois. Stopping to save everyone along the way, for a guy who can basically hear everyone who needs saving on the earth if he wants to, he'd never get anything done.

After letting his dad die, do you really think he wants to do that for someone he cares about, again?

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Brand X wrote:
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Of course not, but it's not like he knows who's who by just looking at them and he still went to that area with one specific goal. Save Lois. Stopping to save everyone along the way, for a guy who can basically hear everyone who needs saving on the earth if he wants to, he'd never get anything done.
After letting his dad die, do you really think he wants to do that for someone he cares about, again?

Well then why show the napalm covered bodies? What do they add to the story?

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notears wrote:
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Of course not, but it's not like he knows who's who by just looking at them and he still went to that area with one specific goal. Save Lois. Stopping to save everyone along the way, for a guy who can basically hear everyone who needs saving on the earth if he wants to, he'd never get anything done.
After letting his dad die, do you really think he wants to do that for someone he cares about, again?
Well then why show the napalm covered bodies? What do they add to the story?

What Snyder wants to show. Grittiness! Death! Sorrow! For the sake of showing it! :p

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Brand X wrote:
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Of course not, but it's not like he knows who's who by just looking at them and he still went to that area with one specific goal. Save Lois. Stopping to save everyone along the way, for a guy who can basically hear everyone who needs saving on the earth if he wants to, he'd never get anything done.
After letting his dad die, do you really think he wants to do that for someone he cares about, again?
Well then why show the napalm covered bodies? What do they add to the story?
What Snyder wants to show. Grittiness! Death! Sorrow! For the sake of showing it! :p

Right well... you convinced me on Superman not saving those people but the movie still sucks because Snyder's a crappy director

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