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Age of Ultron Thread *There will be Spoilers*

A thread to talk about the latest installment in the superhero blockbuster category, Age of Ultron!

Did you love it? Hate it?

I liked it. The pacing could have done with a bit of slowing down and the relationship between Banner/Romanoff seemed a bit forced and abrupt. What about Ms. Ross, Bruce? Did you forget you had a girlfriend who COMMITTED BORDERLINE TREASON AGAINST HER COUNTRY FOR YOU?

Talk about a speedy rebound. >.>

Loved all the little one liners scattered about. Tony frantically chanting "Go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep" when he's pummeling the Hulk was comedic gold.

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They sure crammed in allot of

They sure crammed in allot of stuff in there, tighter than Sardines in a can. ;D

8/10 my rating.
If i compare it to any other hero movie (not the 1st Avengers) then its still very good.

But it felt like allot of parts were missing.. even the Wakonda lady in the cave...that were seen online, never made it in.

I want to see what the directors cut will be like. ;)

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I enjoyed it! Did it have

I enjoyed it! Did it have the impact of the first Avengers? No, but like mentioned on Box Office Mojo, the first Avengers film had them all together already.

This was a good, continuing adventures of movie. I think the real hate for this movie is really coming from the lack of build up to it's villain, but I'm not so sure it always needs that. It was basically the movie on the way to Infinity Wars.

Wasn't to keen on Vision myself. May have been better to have him show up only at the end and not for the end fight scene, but then they would've needed to maybe redo some of how that played out.

I don't think Bruce forgot about Betty, but it's been awhile, they both likely need to move on.

In the end, I wonder what the hour of cut footage was like!

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I kinda loved the movie. It

I kinda loved the movie. It was way better than the first one in a lot of ways from character development to story. It seemed to have a lot more depth imo. It felt very full but not over stuffed and the way they made Ultron basically a crazed child who hates his dad was pretty awesome. I really enjoyed how they dealt with many of the characters(especially Hawkeye) and their relationship as a team. It was also cool after watching the last AOS the opening plays right off of it without even missing a beat.

What I didn't like is, like the previous movie, I didn't feel any sense of urgency for the villain to be defeated until closer to the end. I hated what they did with Hulk and Black Widow. They basically took her badass character and turned her into just a love interest for Bruce. I don't even mind that there was no mention of Betty what so ever, but they could have at least have the romance build or something and keep true to the characters. I also wish they did more with the Vision because he can do so much cooler stuff like phasing through objects. Having him as a main antagonist under Ultron for a while until he realized the beauty of life would be cool too.

All in all the movie was great and I especially loved the end with the new avengers team. SO MUCH SETUP FOR CIVIL WAR, INFINITY WARS AND BLACK PANTHER!

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I was disappointed that John

I was disappointed that John Steed and Mrs. Peel didn't appear in this one, either. ^_^

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Foradain wrote:
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I was disappointed that John Steed and Mrs. Peel didn't appear in this one, either. ^_^

Yeah! That would have been Cool!

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*Reminder that this thread

*Reminder that this thread says SPOILERS at the top*

I've already talked about my reaction on another thread, so I won't bore you with repeats here, except to re-link this review that describes almost all the problems I had with the film. The only things he doesn't quite cover are some of the really bad CGI (especially in the opening scene, and Ultron in general. What was up with his weird shoulders?) and some of the embarrassing dialogue, like Fury telling Stark he "cares about him a lot" or Rogers and Stark saying they will miss each other. For me it felt like Whedon let an amateur relative take the writing and directing reins.

If it were a paper I were grading, I'd give it a C, for average. And then when I noticed Whedon's name at the top, I'd add a note saying, "Very disappointed. I expected A material from you."

While I'm glad other folks enjoyed it, I can't in any way agree with the idea that this film was deeper or had more character development than the first, because the absence of those things is precisely what disappointed me so much.

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Cinnder wrote:
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*Reminder that this thread says SPOILERS at the top*
I've already talked about my reaction on another thread, so I won't bore you with repeats here, except to re-link this review that describes almost all the problems I had with the film. The only things he doesn't quite cover are some of the really bad CGI (especially in the opening scene, and Ultron in general. What was up with his weird shoulders?) and some of the embarrassing dialogue, like Fury telling Stark he "cares about him a lot" or Rogers and Stark saying they will miss each other. For me it felt like Whedon let an amateur relative take the writing and directing reins.
If it were a paper I were grading, I'd give it a C, for average. And then when I noticed Whedon's name at the top, I'd add a note saying, "Very disappointed. I expected A material from you."
While I'm glad other folks enjoyed it, I can't in any way agree with the idea that this film was deeper or had more character development than the first, because the absence of those things is precisely what disappointed me so much.

Like I said... Joss probably Threw a HIssy Fit when he saw what the Editors Cut was.. and probably thought fans might think THATS WHAT his Vision was, no pun intended. ;)
So to somehow save face, since he couldnt really SHARE what the rest of the shots are/were... he pretended??? to get mad at the studio. :P

Dont blame Joss. I bet the movie he made (in its entirety) would actually be an A-. ;)

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people's faith in Joss in

people's faith in Joss in movies is misplaced. His series do well because he tells stories over a long period of time. He has issues editing film for cinema and it shows.

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Did he even stick with his

Did he even stick with his series? Dollhouse wasn't well received until it's last few episodes. I'm not a huge Joss fan, though I think he can make some great shows/movies. Hearing he cut 1 hour from the movie though makes me think he had a bit of a different vision for the show.

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I've liked the work joss has

I've liked the work joss has put out thus far...although I would rate Firefly his best work...and it was cancelled. :/

as far as the avengers go...haven't seen it yet and thanx to all you people it has been ruined for me...RUINED I say! :p

I'll end up just waiting for the directors cut of the flic to be released on blueray before I watch it as I am in no rush.

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I finally caught it last

I finally caught it last night. I think it was an enjoyable enough action movie. There were too many things they were cramming into that show, though. It was a little too crowded. I know the Vision was supposed to be a big deal and they did give him a few memorable spotlight scenes, but still he came off as a bit of an after-thought. That weird character needed more time to develop.

I can shrug off the faults, though, if I just take it as a big-bang-boom action flick.

As a big Black Panther fan, I got pretty excited about the mention of Wakanda and the appearance of Ulysses Klaw (that was him, right?).

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Yes, that was him. No klaw

Yes, that was him. No klaw yet, but...

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Foradain wrote:
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Yes, that was him. No klaw yet, but...

He is 'armless enough to start working on it....

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Joss hasn't been too integral

Joss hasn't been too integral on the Agents of SHIELD series but I think people are being much more receptive to it now that Phase III of the MCU has begun

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ya know, one problem I have

ya know, one problem I have is that the MCU is now affecting the comics themselves. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have been retconned and are no longer mutants....but a product of the High Evolutionary. :/

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ya know, one problem I have is that the MCU is now affecting the comics themselves. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have been retconned and are no longer mutants....but a product of the High Evolutionary. :/

o.O Did they also say Magneto is no longer their father?

That is a problem I've had with the movies and comics since the beginning. Remember when they changed Mystique to ugly movie garbage? :/

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ya know, one problem I have is that the MCU is now affecting the comics themselves. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have been retconned and are no longer mutants....but a product of the High Evolutionary. :/

I have a hazy memory of the X-Men animated series (early 90's one) where I thought something was similar with Magda and the High Evolutionary...

Magento was still related to the twins, just that they were abandoned by him.

Of course, that is hazy memory and all that.

But then again, we sometimes complain about a lack of consistency across several different mediums for stuff, and here is a case where FOR NOW they are trying to do it in a fashion, and people still complain about it ;)

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from what I saw (the page of the comic itself regarding this retcon...its out there on the interwebs) nothing regarding Maggie not being the father, but given the change to non-mutant status, I wouldn't be surprised if that part is nixed as well.

I prefer the comic look for Mystique to be sure! the movie version is ok, I suppose, but I much prefer her in clothes....and less 'scales'. the scales makes me think she's related to fish... :p

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the problem is the manner in which they are doing it. they are retconning DECADES worth of material for a movie that honestly will be forgotten in 5 years time.

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the problem is the manner in which they are doing it. they are retconning DECADES worth of material for a movie that honestly will be forgotten in 5 years time.

Welcome to part of the problem with different companies holding different movie rights. If you noticed, in the MCU series of films, that there isn't the mention of Mutants. They use practically every other term BUT Mutant.

Infact, the closest so far *by name* are the Inhumans... and even then, that is due to an external force forcing the change (the Terrigen Mist)

This is going to be a long standing problem until X-Men and associated rights return back to the Marvel/Disney fold for the films.

Of course, the other option would be to not have Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch (and potentially any other "mutants" by another name) appear in any of the MCU films.

Of course, they are only retconning THEIR own part, making sure that all the parts match up to a greater or lesser degree, and leaving the Fox "controlled" stuff separate.

They can still retcon/change accordingly, but I cannot see Marvel changing the comic Fantastic Four current line up to match what they do with the films.

But for their OWN film released stuff? I can see them wanting to make sure that there is as much continuity between the two as possible.

Of course, they could just have released yet another line of comics called "the Film MCU".

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Finally got to see this film

Finally got to see this film today, and ... honestly ... I think that Black Widow has been badly maligned by a lot of people with regards to her portrayal in this film.

Black Widow was the only "chick" on the team ... AND ... the only one who, on her own, couldn't possibly muster the level of power necessary to even pretend to "threaten" the Hulk, let alone do anything to actually take him down (see: Stark, Tony). Hawkeye has explosive arrows, which would annoy the Hulk and piss him off. Everybody else is a guy with even more power power. Only Natasha can play the role closest to a non-threatening civilian for the Hulk so as to do the "lullabye" thing (and it would just be WEIRD if anyone else on the team even tried it). Being able to switch the Hulk off like that is a very HUMAN thing to do, and it is entirely appropriate for a manipulator of human emotions like Natasha to be able to do that better than anyone else on the team. In other words, it's a "job" that only she can do. Anyone else is going to get their lights smashed out.

So only Black Widow can "reach" the Hulk when he's green, and that's true simply due to process of elimination. Besides, she's "good at it" ... so let her do it. It's her THING to be able to manipulate and "read" people like that ... even if they're big green and scary.

And the whole "I need the other guy" line? Talk about people taking it out of context and out of proportion! When she said that line, she was saying that between the choice of nerdy bio-scientist human and city smashing Hulk, once she got rescued she didn't need the brainiac to get her back in the game of stopping the Big Bad™ ... she literally needed the Hulk as the means to an end.

As far as Natasha and Bruce "flirting" with each other ... just about the only thing that I can think of to "excuse" that is that Natasha knows WAY TOO MUCH about how people think, feel and love the others around them. She's just WAY TOO GOOD at being a spy and an interrogator. It's part of the reason why she actually "likes" and respects Steve Rogers as much as she does ... because he's HONEST. Steve doesn't put on airs or waste her time with testosterone fueled bullshit. If anything, he's a little too "modest" (not to mention "pure") for her tastes. But she values and treasures him all the same, simply because he ACCEPTS her for being who she tells him she is. Steve isn't playing a game with her and she doesn't have to dance around to fool him into thinking she's something she's not. Steve just trusts her implicitly, and that's something that she values.

But Bruce Banner is, in his own way, even MORE honest than Steve Rogers is. Bruce wears his feelings on his sleeve and is in many ways afraid of his own shadow (for good reasons!). But for Bruce, it's even harder for him to trust people (because, Hulk) and he's honestly well and truly afraid of the World of Cardboard factor of becoming the Hulk ... on top of the whole Loss Of Control issues. So Bruce is TRYING to trust Natasha ... but it isn't easy for him.

That's why Natasha told Bruce about the whole sterilization thing, so as to tell (and show to) him that he isn't the only one who can never lead a normal life. There are other people out there who have the same problems that he has. She was telling him YOU ARE NOT ALONE. She was trying to maintain the fragile bond of trust between them that was obviously fraying (and if it snapped, there's no telling what the Hulk might do!). Considering the fact that Bruce has a natural inclination to disappear off the map and stay away from people, it really just makes sense that Natasha ought to be the one to try and "reel him in" so that he wouldn't go running off ... because the team needed him.

And she was also telling him that there's all kinds of "monsters" in the world ... and some of them are all too human.

Trouble is, she manipulated him into becoming the Hulk when she needed him to be, which then shattered the extremely fragile trust that Black Widow had with him by pushing him off a ledge ... hence why he switched off the comm channel and flew away in stealth mode. And what sucks is that she HAD TO DO IT. It also didn't help that the lullabye attempt got interrupted in a way that pissed the Hulk off.

So if anything, I saw Black Widow as being less of a "love interest" (particularly since it was kind of obvious that Bruce Banner wasn't exactly "eager" to respond to her advances) and more of being a well meaning supporting partner. Bruce was (and is) by nature a loner, and didn't have a whole lot of good reasons to stick around and be a comrade in arms. No one else could give him that sort of Human Connection that Black Widow could ... so she did, because she's just that damn good at her job.

If anything, I'd say that Black Widow's most "unguarded moments" were with Hawkeye's family.

I really enjoyed the "combo moves" that Cap and Thor could get up to together with the shield and the hammer. Those were just fabulous to see.

And Hawkeye got the best line of the entire damn film, saying that he was in this fight with nothing more than a bow and arrows! And yet even HE can still make a difference ... as an Avenger. Gutsiest bit of dialogue in the whole movie, right there. Just a guy in over his head, and he knows it(!), but he still isn't going to run away.

And yes, the touches of humor throughout the film were indeed an important thread that wove everything together.


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I think you put it better

I think you put it better than many, Red!

Personally didn't see anything wrong with how Black Widow played out. For one thing, we're not always go to see the romances played out well. Especially with the likes of Bruce and Nat if they're not going to get their own movie. We didn't see them taking out all the other bases either, but we easily accepted that they did.

And yeah! Nat was the only one who was going to be able to calm the Hulk down. Nat was acting just like Betty. Bruce starts to feel something for someone, Hulk is going to react more peacefully to them. That's why the Hulk chased after her the first time. He didn't care for her. Now he did. That left only her to calm him down.

Her not having children. That just made sense. I mean really, I had never thought of it until a friend did that in an RP with her made in a lab assassin. So hearing Widow had it happen made sense to me. Assassin who can't get pregnant can keep on assassinating!

My only real complaint was Vision. I still wonder exactly what Cap is missing that he can't lift the hammer, but was nice to see he at least budged it (though would have been nice if that was noticed by more than Thor).

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The most common fan theory is

The most common fan theory is that Cap *could* lift the hammer- but as soon as it shifted in his hand he pretended that he couldn't move it, to avoid embarrassing Thor.

Now, for the best way for the team to have beaten Ultron would not have been to get Quicksliver and Scarlet Witch on their side, but to get their Dad involved :-)

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That is a good theory! I

That is a good theory! I still hope we see it happen one day. :)

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It did happen in the comics,

It did happen in the comics, at least once. IIRC, Thor was getting overwhelmed, Mjolnr was lying there, and Cap was simply not going to do less than everything he could to help...

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I would think a lot more

I would think a lot more folks could lift the hammer than just Thor and Cap. given Thor is of the Asgardian mindset I wouldn't think that the parameters needed to qualify for the hammer would be all that bad. I would think Cap could lift the hammer without even breaking a sweat as I think he is loads more honorable and good than Thor.... so much so that Mjolnir decides that Thor is no longer "worthy" after Cap handles it one time....new standards have been set. hehe >:)

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The most common fan theory is that Cap *could* lift the hammer- but as soon as it shifted in his hand he pretended that he couldn't move it, to avoid embarrassing Thor.

Yeah, I picked up on that immediately, that the hammer BUDGED when Steve tried to pull, and watching Thor's face fall when he saw that happen was pretty darn priceless ... and then watching him try to cover it up in the hopes that no one else noticed was just icing on the cake.


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