Please, please, please total, complete keymapping possibilities for a standard mouse.
First, I looked for a thread to post on about this, but all that looked appropriate were a year old and I didn't want to necro. So...
Second, while I used default settings all through my CoH years, my trek through Champions, TSW and DCUO has taught me the incredible value of personalized binding, and one of the places I find the most difficulty even in those games is on a plain old normal mouse.
If we can just have a normal mouse completely keybindable, there is SO MUCH you can do. I mean left click, right click, middle click, left/right simultaneous hold, scroll forward and back. Basically, you can bind absolutely ALL of your movement and aiming needs to a cheap old normal mouse and leave your left hand free to rock and roll powers. IF the game is set up correctly for it.
Please total and complete key-binding options for all possible permutations of a normal mouse.
That is all I have to say here--not much of a thread. Just a desperate, heartfelt plea :P.
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what about:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/GajNF6W.png[/img]
You call that a mouse...Now this is a mouse for keybinding 17 Buttons (including the wheel)! Oh yeah... what the OP said! Keybinding options for everything!
[img]http://www.razerzone.com/?ACT=27&fid=1&d=13785&f=features-led.png[/img]
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Don't most of those hyper-fancy million-button mice usually come with their own driver programs that allow you to map all the buttons to whatever keyboard chords you want? As long as CoT comes with a similar /bind system to what CoH had then you'll be able to set up dozens of binds. I think at its height I had something like 100+ keybinds in CoH myself. ;)
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You guys are silly. I must have said "plain old normal mouse" three times in that post :P.
I've been able to avoid buying one of those monstrosities by key-mapping a normal mouse, but I've run into unnecessary limitations in each game that have held me back a little. Like being able to bind everything except for one or two options, such as, say, holding down right and left click simultaneously as a command. I say unnecessary because that IS a bindable command and wasn't hardwired to anything else, so I bet they just didn't think to make it bindable.
With total mappability, a $10 mouse is all you need to totally control all movement and aiming with your right hand and leave your left open for powers, which I've found to be very comfortable and my new preferred playstyle--and will likely be much more important with CoH-style multiple trays. The biggest thing is that actually "CLICKING ON" things has to be mappable. If it is hardwired to the right mouseclick, I'm done for as far as how I like to play.
But, MOST importantly, this type of flexibility in mapping could really be the thing that makes a big difference for someone with some type of limitation--which is a serious consideration. So, please don't hardwire the "CLICK ON" command, and fully map out all possibilities on a standard mouse.
Pretty please? With sugar and a cherry on top!
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I think part of the problem is defining what a "plain old normal mouse" is as far as computer hardware goes. I don't think there's one universal PC standard for that as far as I'm aware. Just because you think that "holding down right and left click simultaneously as a command" should be bindable on any mouse under any program doesn't make it so.
That's why I mentioned what I did about driver programs specifically provided for specific models of mice. Even relatively simple 5 button mice usually have some way to define what keyboard equivalent each button maps to. And if that kind of thing is paired with the kind of keybinding tools that CoH provided that should be enough for what you want to do. But don't expect CoT to be able to directly support any kind of mouse in the world without the mouse software being able to meet it "halfway" with its own utilities.
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Ok, that makes sense. And obviously my technical knowledge is limited, plus I use a VERY cheap Logitech 3 button mouse (right click, left click, middle click/scroll) which WOULD give me all the commands I need but I was unable to get certain commands to bind. I even looked into a keybinding addon but didn't get anywhere with it.
If I understand you correctly, what you're saying is that if they have at least CoH level binding functionality, the "click on" command will be free and bindable (I never tried when I was playing CoH) and if I don't have a totally trashy mouse, I should be able to bind the buttons freely?
If so, then my thread is lame and my prayers were answered before I prayed them.
So, I won't need a gazillion button mouse, but I will need one that has some built in mappability. Correct?
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Here is [url=http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/2DcYkDjml1Q/maxresdefault.jpg]an example[/url] of the kind of software Lothic means, in case you were curious. It's basically keymapping specific to the mouse.
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First, thank you all for not ridiculing my pathetic level of knowledge. I'm serious, ya'll are great for not digging into me. On most forums, such a flagrant show of ignorance would have gotten flames. We have a great community.
Thanks for that link, Darth. I understand now. I've never seen software like that, because, well, here's my mouse http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/mouse-m100?crid=7.
So, I'm probably looking at the lowest-level gaming mouse to do what I want, which is fine--birthday coming up!
Thanks again!
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[url=http://www.ianker.com/]Anker[/url] is great for gaming stuff on the cheap. The mouse pictured in that image I linked is the one I have, and that can currently be had off Amazon for $30, as an example. I believe that's their top end mouse, too.
If you want a (relatively) cheap gaming mouse, they're definitely worth a look.
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Well the latest versions of Windows (I'm assuming you're talking about a Windows-based machine here) will let you configure/keybind most basic popular brand name mice (like your Logitech one) directly with its own plug-n-play Mouse utilities under the Control Panel so you don't absolutely need a "gaming" mouse. If that doesn't work I'm pretty sure you can download free utilities from Logitech directly to do that sort of thing.
But as Darth Fez mentioned there are plenty of relatively cheap gaming mouse alternatives now which are well worth considering for games like CoT.
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To be honest, there are so many different type of mice out there... ranging from the 17+ buttons of the [url=http://gaming.logitech.com/en-gb/product/g600-mmo-gaming-mouse]Logitech G600[/url] and [url=http://www.razerzone.com/gb-en/gaming-mice/razer-naga]Razer Naga[/url] to the 11 buttons of the [url=http://www.razerzone.com/gb-en/gaming-mice/razer-naga-hex]Razer Naga Hex[/url] and then going off the curve to the Mad Catsz range of [url=http://www.cyborggaming.com/prod/rat5.htm]R[/url].[url=http://www.cyborggaming.com/prod/rat7.htm]A[/url].[url=http://www.cyborggaming.com/prod/rat9.htm]T[/url] and [url=http://www.cyborggaming.com/prod/maus9.htm]M.O.U.S[/url] range of mice (very customisable to the shape of your hand), and then the [url=http://www.roccat.org/Products/]Roccat[/url] range of mice (too many to list really, but they work well... especially when paired up with their keyboards as well) that there is pretty much a mouse for everyone out there.
The one common thing though, going from the 5 button mouse up to the 17+ button mice is that the manufacturer also has driver software where you can customise what each mouse button does, either on a "per program" basis or on a "per profile" basis.
Some of them even allow multiple profiles per program; so you could change your setup according to which character you are playing. Always handy if there is a large difference between them.
For me, I have both logitech hardware (main PC: Logitech G35 headset, G19/G510 keyboard, G13 gamepad, G600 mouse) and Razer (Laptop: Razer Naga (original) mouse and Razer Tartarus gamepad) that I have no real issues between them.
Sometimes I wish I had the upgrade to the Tartarus for the Laptop, because the G13 does have more keys available, but that is a personal preference.
In fact nowadays, I never actually redefine my keys *in game*. I do it all out of game, and place the keys where I want them[1].
Now I have huge issues sometimes playing games without the hardware there... especially the Naga/G600 mouse there.
Side Note: For MMO's, holding down BOTH left and right mouse button is typically the shortcut to move forward, so you can "mouse drive" your character one handed. 5
[1] Slight lie, I always redefine A/D as strafe left/strafe right, and Q/E as turn left/turn right.
Personally I use an [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105122] InteliMouse Optical[/url] five button. I've been using this style of mouse for about 14 years (I'm on my second one). I've yet to find one more comfortable in my hands for whatever I am doing on my computer, gaming or otherwise. Although not a gaming mouse the shoulder buttons are quite handy in a variety of games. I had a bind for teleport that worked quite well for me.
As far as the interact command (clicking a glowie, opening a door, talking to someone etc.), I have grown quite fond of of just having an interact key that prompts when in range of the trigger from playing GW2. The advantage here is you can bind it to the mouse or handy key (it defaults to f in GW2). I know there were players in CoX that used the keyboard exclusively, but had to switch to the mouse to open doors and such.
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Lets help with defining the different types of mice out there (in a general sense):
1) Basic Mouse = 2 buttons + Scroll wheel
2) Limited Mouse = 2 buttons only
3) Modern Mouse = 4 buttons + scroll wheel (the 2 extra are usually on the side for your thumb)
4) Gamer Mouse = 5-8 buttons plus scrollwheel
5) MMO Mouse = 9+ buttons
If the game allows me to select multiple control keys + other keys/mouse buttons I don't need a Gamer or MMO mouse to do a bucket load of keymappings.
Example:
LMB (left mouse button)
SHIFT+LMB
CTRL+LMB
ALT+LMB
SHIFT+CTRL+LMB
SHIFT+ALT+LMB
CTRL+ALT+LMB
SHIFT+CTRL+ALT+LMB
Could even go this far:
LSHIFT (Left Shift)+LMB
RSHIFT+LMB
LALT+LMB
LALT+LCTRL+LMB
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Oh agreed. The One reason why I like the G600 mouse is because you can set up a shift key with your little finger; this is because it actually has 3 "normal" buttons (Left click, center/scroll wheel, right click, far right click), so I can set it up that way.
But then again, MMO mice do have a *slight* advantage of being able to keep everything within *easy* and close reach of your fingers.
I find it hard to hit the 7 to = keys on the keyboard, without having to lift my left hand off the keys, away from my "home space" keys. Sure, I could click the buttons, but if I miss... wasted action. Instead I just use my thumb to hit the button.
But this is all personal preference. I just like having access to everything quickly with minimal hand movement. Different preferences for different people.
Keep rolling. This has turned into what is, for me, a very informative thread. I'll still probably use a fairly minimal mouse--basic or modern--because, personally, I only want movement and targeting on my mouse and trays of powers on my left. But, hearing what people do as far as peripherals and mapping is very interesting.
Thanks for all the discussion!
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I used to use the 1-0 keys for my attacks with the 2nd row my Toggles and 3rd row Other (Recall Friend, etc).
Recently in FFXIV I started using 1-5 and Mouse Button 4 (a thumb button) along with 1-5 for actions 6-0 and this helps a lot - especially as FFXIV is so twitch based spending 1 sec to move your hand to hit button 8/9/0 can mean death.
I use a Gamer mouse but never use the buttons other than the main two + the side two (the other buttons are the 2 +/- DPI buttons and another button at the very top-left of the left mouse button that I cant easily reach :)).
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Now I did post the Naga Mouse up there. However I don't use one just an example of extreme button options on a mouse. I use the Logitech G700 mouse, 13 programmable controls. As well sensitivity control options for normal use, strategic games, or first person shooter. One bind I had was for COH Teleport power turned it into an instant point and click power so I was popping in and out of the air with no problem.
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The only problem I have with that mouse (and actually the original Naga) is the 3 buttons (2 for the original naga) on the left mouse click button. My hand just doesn't fit right for it to be *easily* usable for me. Shame really, because I do like the look of it, and apart from that, the mouse does fit nicely in my hand. And its wireless/wired[1] as well.
Its worth noting as well that some of the previous mice that I linked to (particularly the Mad Catz ones) have a button(s) that you can fiddle with the DPI with. Some of them will do it on a cycle nature, whilst others can drop the DPI for when a button is held down. This is useful for sniper shots when zoomed in, where having a high DPI can lead to excessive aiming issues. Dropping the DPI can make this smoother/easier to achieve.
Different mice for different jobs.
Oh, and I use my mouse buttons when I am browsing the net as well... because I use the logitech one, I have a "default" profile setup, so that for the games/software that I have yet to set a dedicated profile up for, the hardware I have will work in a certain way. So I can easily flick to various tabs (Ctrl+Number for Firefox), Change the zoom (Ctrl and + or - in firefox) one handed, open up new links without using the sub menu, etc etc
Hell, I know some people who use the buttons on a G600/Naga for movement, and then use their left hand for just pure button activation. For them it works... for me, that method doesn't.
[1] You can use it either way, because its wired mode recharges the battery at the same time.
Now if we really want ultimate keybinding... I have the Logitech G13 game pad for my left hand and the G700 mouse for the right. Yeah I confess when I had the money I really spoiled myself.
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Guess what I use ;)
I actually use the thumbtick just in 4 directions (not as a mouse pointer, which is another option) as "Target Next/Previous" mobs on right/left movement and "Loot"/"interact" on the Up/down motion for Wildstar. Other MMO's will be "target next/previous" mob on up/down and "Target next/previous" friendly on left/right. Or some variation of that.
It changes from game to game and its requirements. So this means that (within reason) I actually *don't* change my setup between games, and it might take a while to find a setup that I will find comfortable. But more often than not, it is actually working out what goes where. Instead of "what do I redefine to X/Y/Z".
Because changing an action is just moving the action around the keymaps. I still use the basic WASD keybind on the G13, with space as a jump... just mapped to the G13.
Then again, because of lack of desk space, I find it hard to use a mouse/keyboard on the tray, so instead of splitting up the keyboard/mouse onto different levels, I got the G13 to be my keyboard on the same level as the mouse.
Guess why I now find it hard to play games on a normal keyboard... because my hands are so used to a different setup. Sure I can play games to a *degree* but I find my setup works best for me, and gives me the flexibility that I need to easily tinker with layouts without even necessarily needing the game loaded. I can try the setup in another game and see how it works out (or to keep my sharpness up and running)
The Razer Tartarus/Nostromo/Orbweaver are similar to this, although they do lack a screen (which I find handy for quickly glancing down to and getting information on TS (who is talking whatever) without needing the app on top. And this is with me running two screens.... I need more windows showing up nice information!