Hey, all. It's NY Comic Con again! I got a four day pass, and a five year old laptop! (It's lighter than the seven year old laptop I had last year, but the screen's not as good.)
Who wants to come play with the Avatar Builder, meet me?
Comic Con starts October 3rd, ends the 6th, but I might have an extra day or two if you can't do that.
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No, you don't need to be at ComicCon to say hello, I'm in the city, I'll wander anywhere.
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Unfortunately, too far for me ^^ But, i'm sure some of us will come to say hello :)
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Ah damn, I wish I could, but I'm not even American
An infinite number of tries doesn't mean that any one of those tries will succeed. I could flip an infinite number of pennies an infinite number of times and, barring genuine randomness, they will never come up "Waffles".
If it was possible for me to attend I would have loved to met you.
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I'll be watching till sunday evening, so...
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Adding some more information here: If you will be attending the Con, or will be in the area and you'd like to set up a meet, send an e-mail to contact@missingworldsmedia.com
Cabbit will work with you on a time and place. This is your chance to play with the New Toy (and meet Cabbit... that's important too)
Wait until you see the... nope, that would ruin the surprise.
It seems we've had a little confusion about Cabbit and the Avatar Builder software at NYCC. He is attending the Con as a visitor, and he has his laptop with him. He has a version of the Avatar builder Software with him, which he'll be happy to demonstrate to anyone that meets up with him. He is not distributing copies of the software to anyone. The first people (other than ourselves at MWM) who will get access to the software will be our backers.
Wait until you see the... nope, that would ruin the surprise.
In fact, Cabbit has sent us some pictures of his first day at the con.
In typical Cabbit fashion, this one came in upside down.
We've made him promise to send us more pictures as the con goes on.
Wait until you see the... nope, that would ruin the surprise.
Cool, he's gotten the costume creator to make a female without that Lantern Jaw. Can he make it stick?
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Yes, my [u][url=https://www.deviantart.com/revanantmorituri]art gallery[/url][/u] is almost entirely screen captures. Tough.
Appreciate:
-Filters
-Camera Presets
-Are Those “Pose”/“Flex” Buttons?
-And the Winner: the [GO GO GO!!!] Button
Edit: Okay, it’s just been a while since I’ve seen the AB and i got over excited of stuff that’s been there...
Can’t blame a guy for getting wee bit excited.
Meh. Bah!
Next time, i swear, i'll buy a jet to go to the NYCC xD
Thanks warcabbit to send some pics and JWBullfrog to recast them to us :) i noticed the last bottom right button next to the character ^^ Is it the travel prowers ?
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So are attendees getting to play with the software or is he just like “look but don’t touch”?
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He literally answered your question in the second line of his first post.
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it seems Deadpool was next to you Warcabbit, on the second picture ^^
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Yes, attendees get to use Cabbit's laptop to play with the "new toy", and also meet Cabbit who's pretty cool :)
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Did you think it was better to be a smart ass rather than just answer the question?
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That’s what I was afraid of.
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Why's that fearful? We did the same thing last year with Doc at PAX
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If you really want to know, I think it’s unfair that random people at a con are getting first crack at something that the Kickstarter backers who’ve been here since the beginning were promised.
Am I the only one?
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The only one? Maybe not, I can't speak for others, but it does come across as a little irrational. "Nobody else can have fun unless I have fun first!" when they have legit reasons for not releasing it to the internet at large just feels a little jerkish. It's not like they're letting anybody download it, after all.
An infinite number of tries doesn't mean that any one of those tries will succeed. I could flip an infinite number of pennies an infinite number of times and, barring genuine randomness, they will never come up "Waffles".
While I personally wouldn't care if I were a backer, I can see why some are annoyed. They put in the money to allow the team to get this far, and have waited for 6 years now (since KS succeeded), and are eagerly awaiting the release. It's no surprise that some people are not going to like that random people that haven't put in any time or money into this thing get to play around with it before them. Yes, they aren't downloading it getting a copy but still. Again, I don't think its a big deal but you don't have to think too hard to understand their POV.
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I think being a baker never give people the right to use the avatar builder before other people (to verify). They just pay to have some gifts of a game beta access before other but the AB is not the "game" :)
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In the same vein, I didn't back this so I could get the first crack at the goodies. I backed CoT so a spiritual successor game to CoH/V could be developed and released. I wouldn't assume my monetary contribution/investment gave me an advantage over another person.
This might sound harsh, but I really don't care. The above is nothing more than a temper tantrum in word form on this forum.
If I were a backer, I might be a bit jealous for those going to the con to check out the AB but I certainly wouldn't fall on the floor and start flailing my arms about and shouting and crying. And for the record, I am not a backer only because I was too late to the first kickstarter.
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I [i]am[/i] a backer and I'm not particularly bothered.
Wow.
Entitled much?
Yes. You're the only one who resents (enough) the fact that MWM has finite resources to complain when those resources are shared with people OTHER THAN yourself before they're shared with YOU ... and then you come here to complain about it in these forums.
Yes ... you're the only one.
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Let's refrain from bald antagonism, please. We can disagree with Zerohour all we like, but when we start being pithy about it it just becomes rude.
An infinite number of tries doesn't mean that any one of those tries will succeed. I could flip an infinite number of pennies an infinite number of times and, barring genuine randomness, they will never come up "Waffles".
Just taking a moment here to reinforce a point we've made on other threads.
Disagreements are acceptable, conversations are encouraged, but we do ask that all parties in a discussion remain civil.
Please remember that.
Wait until you see the... nope, that would ruin the surprise.
Yes, you are. I am a kickstarter and this tells us that they are getting mucho close to letting people like me start a download of our first taste of the client. Something I have been waiting for since I logged into kickstarter all those years ago and pledged money i probably should have kept for things like bills but the idea of getting back a game like COH excited me so much. Sometimes I get frustrated that we dont have it yet, and lash out, but this is really COOL. I will keep playing coh till this is ready, I wish I could have been in NY for this but I dont begrudge others for getting a chance at it. Instead, I look at the positive(this isnt normal for me so dont get your hopes up).
Well, lets be honest I think you're exaggerating my point just a little bit. No one's having a temper tantrum. I just voiced my opinion. And I'm definitely not falling on the floor and flailing about. Relax.
There's nothing "entitled" about what I suggested. But it isn't a surprise, coming from you. I guarantee I'm not the only one who feels that way. Take a look on Facebook and then tell me who's in the minority. If you'd like to explain to me why you think it's okay to let random people play around with the AB when we've all been here investing for the last 6 years, go ahead. Throwing meaningless insults at me because it makes you feel intelligent isn't helping anyone. And oooooo you redacted something. I wonder what it could have beeeeeeeeen. You must have been proud of it or you wouldn't have mentioned that you got rid of it.
This is a perfect example of why it will keep happening. Well done.
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they are trying to let people see that it is coming togetther. I dont care if he showed it to his grandmother before me or you(I probably donated before you so I should have priority). Its not like anyone will play before us. It will keep happening because it doesnt matter. I dont give a shit as long as the game downloads for me soon. it isnt like they can bring anything home with them.
Man, you step out for a weekend and things happen.
The only people I allowed to touch our baby were backers.
And members of the press, admittedly, but that's different.
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Well. That settles that.
I’m also point out that developers frequently demo their games at conventions to show what they have and let people get their hands on it, because they don’t have to distribute it and have copies out in the wild. What MWM has done (this is I think the second or third time) is routine, not egregious.
I am hoping the people that got to use it will come on here and tell me it was great, had a few bugs but that is to be expected. This dev team will be fixing bugs ongoing unlike other games that didnt bother.
The sooner issue zero comes out, the sooner second chance can hit. and the sooner they can hire some full time devs. I think you will soon see changes once this happens.
How many non-backers did you have to stiff-arm?
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Cabbit's got that hammer in their forum picture for a reason, y'know.
That distinction wasn't ever stated in the 'Meet the Cabbit at NYCC' post...might be an important tidbit for next time.
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I honestly didn't even think it would be a thing. This is literally the same thing I did last year.
And I want to say why: because when people who aren't devs get their hands on our work, A: somehow they find exactly what's broken. It's amazing. and B: it's a really important tool to find out what's easy for players to use, and what's hard to figure out.
This step here makes the game _better_ for all of you, and I wish I could do it more.
(Auras broke bad in the last build. I honestly have no idea why, someone must have pulled a metaphoric wire by accident. You've seen 'em working.)
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As a general statement (and as a professional QA/SDET):
This is why it is important to involve QA throughout the project life cycle. QA can be a great resource to handle iterative development (especially in a distributed setting). As much as developers think they are the best advocate for the product they create, that is not strictly true. Knowing (and I mean knowing how the guts of the program works) the code does not lend itself to being able to experience the product (too much bias / familiarity gets injected into the thought process). QA is the advocate for the end user. It is their job to bounce ideas off you, to find holes in the product, to verify that what you created works (as intended or not), to be a guardrail against you veering too far off target. That's why when you have an organization that does not include that element in the production, things can and will fall through the cracks.
If you just chuck code over the wall when you reach a milestone to see what random people think (and you are impressed/surprised by their reactions), an opportunity (in time and resources) has been missed.
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+1
Unbelievable.
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Backers self-selected by making an appointment with Cabbit. They don't roam around Cons with glowing signs over their heads. Cabbit surely did not turn away folks who volunteered to touch it but were Not backers. Because, how could he know?
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Should they restrict the forums to ks backers because someone might get bent outa shape over nonbackers having input? No, that would be stupid. When all is said and done, they will have to sell the game to a lot of people that are not backers. Why would they hamstring themselves because someone is feeling a false sense of entitlement? were we ever promised that they wouldnt let anyone see anything that were not backers? They said that backers would get early access to the game, thats it. Do I think that war cabbit should go through a vigorous vetting program before anyone can see his COT background? no, I dont. Unreasonable expectations of exclusivity are a you problem. As far as we know, no one that is not a member of MWM has a copy of the CC, so they have not broken any promises.
First of all, none of us contributed to the running of the forums. So your point is moot. Secondly, it's not a "false" sense of entitlement. The kickstarters are all, collectively, a part of this game. There would be no game without us. Just like shareholders are entitled to know about every aspect of their respective companies, so too are we entitled to the same privilege. Besides the fact that we were, in fact, promised first crack at the AB as soon as it was ready for hands-on. Thirdly, your definition of "unreasonable expectations of exclusivity" are clearly different than mine. There's absolutely nothing unreasonable about expecting promises to be kept.
"When all is said and done" as you say, and obligations have been fulfilled, by all means throw the AB or the beta testing to the winds. Stir up interest to sell the game beyond our group. But we are not there yet. Not by a long shot.
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please, by all means, show us this promise that no one else would see it before you. As a KS backer, I was promised beta access. I was not promised that they would only show their work to people with the KS badge.
If you were, well that was a different kickstarter than I saw. I know that they have shown their work to other industry people. Those same people helped them with problems long since solved. Does that bother me. NO. I am not so insecure that I am afraid they "took my spot". When they are sending beta invites, I am sure that people with the KS badge will be first in line. Will I be among the first? no, I wont. Again, I am not so insecure as to fear that my turn wont come. I figure war cabbit and his band of merry men and women can figure their way as to inviting people to beta, They may be part time but they look to be professionals.
ps: to the people that went to ny comic con..I hope you got to see the picard trailer on the big screen...awesome!
Well cabbit has insisted that only backers were allowed to play, so lets get the thread more civil, lest I lock it.
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Well, just saying, the original post was to everyone. And on Facebook CoT said anyone could meet him there and play with the AB. Inconsistant communication strikes again.
Personally, though, i couldn't care less. Even if i were a backer id agree with this to get more exposure for the game.
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Well, as a backer, I vote for letting Cabbit show it to anyone and everyone. Do what you need to do to figure out bugs, promote the project, or any darn thing you want. It's all good with me.
Have fun! Don't just hang out with the cosplayers and actors, though. Buy some comic books! I want pics of comics.
What's is important actually : Warcabbit, did you have some people who came to see you and try the AB ? :) Did they enjoy it ? What was their feeling ?
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I'm very tired now
but yes, some people did. Sadly, Save COH radio offered to meet me but it looks like they didn't check their mail because we couldn't find each other.
Feeling a little sick, actually, con crud hit me.
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Ah, feel better Cabbit! And thanks for going out there and spreading the word!
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Rest, get better.
Then post some pics!
I'm dying to see what people made and how it went!
(That's assuming there are pics/video of some of it.)
Until after now...
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about showing work. I'm talking about physical hands-on manipulation of the AB. I feel I've been pretty clear about that. I don't really care who gets to [i]look[/i] at it. That being said, it has been pointed out numerous times now that the original wording both here, and in other places like Facebook, stated that [u]anyone[/u] was able to stop by to play around with it.
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Crisis averted, no one else but backers did touch it....wheew, dodge a bullet there, no one got a piece of the infinite pie that didnt meet your approval. its not like they will run out of avatar creator, ty War Cabbit for trying to do some thing nice for the people watching and waiting, its cool to see even for those poor souls that couldnt make it to NY comic con.(I really gotta win the lottery so I can go to these things) You are ok in my book even if I sometimes loose my patience and get snarky.
Ok, so now, you need to rest :) We have only one life in this real game so take care !
Thanks for answering and i hope we could have a debriefing ^^ It's sad for Save CoH , maybe next time you should exchange your phone number to meet easily ! :)
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And only one Warcabbit! Get better soon.
In case anyone is keeping count, I'm a backer who is happy for anyone to get their hands on the AB and provide feedback at any time.
Spurn all ye kindle.
Should have the laptop up and running tonight.
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Thanks Warcabbit for letting me and my two friends that came over the pond to NYCC for comicon have a play around with the character builder - I was very impressed that with how smoothe it ran and didn't crash at all!! - shame about the odd glitch - but I do realise it a work in progress - Can't wait !!
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We've already fixed a few of them.
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