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Patriotic Superhero names (Brainstorm?)

*** any country is welcome in this list.
(I personally am looking for ideas about Finnish and German supernames)

*** a Brainstorm is where you toss every idea you can think of on the table, even if only one in ten is good you will still end up with a hundred good ideas.

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I recommend starting by

I recommend starting by looking into the mythologies and finding names of heroes, or concepts that seem related. (For Germany, I'm snagging Fraulein Dämmerung (Miss Twilight) as the name of a German resistance hero from WWII)

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You might want to look into

You might want to look into these names/words:

"Heldentat" -> "Der Held"
"Vaterland" -> "Vater des Landes"
"Heimatschutz" -> "Beschützer" -> "Wachmann" -> "Landsmann"

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Well, my favorite patriotic

Well, my favorite patriotic hero of mine was "All American Girl" Half alien half human All American. :)

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I've made U.S. Avenger, who

I've made U.S. Avenger, who was a Captain America homage.

And The American Way who was like a patriotic punisher type character. Solved his problems the American Way... With guns!

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Project_Hero wrote:
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I've made U.S. Avenger, who was a Captain America homage.

And The American Way who was like a patriotic punisher type character. Solved his problems the American Way... With guns!

I hope American Way had a cowboy hat, as that seems the only way to really go with that concept to me. :)

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Brand X wrote:
Brand X wrote:
Project_Hero wrote:

I've made U.S. Avenger, who was a Captain America homage.

And The American Way who was like a patriotic punisher type character. Solved his problems the American Way... With guns!

I hope American Way had a cowboy hat, as that seems the only way to really go with that concept to me. :)

He did not, but if I remake the character in the future I might just give him one.

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Allnation. Heartlander. Big

Allnation. Heartlander. Big Country. Sovereign (there's a couple in print).

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Liberty Belle is a classic.

Liberty Belle is a classic. Of course, it's been used a lot.

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One thing I like is to name a

One thing I like is to name a patriotic hero after the country’s national animal symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_animals

Check that for ideas.

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Fireheart wrote:
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Liberty Belle is a classic. Of course, it's been used a lot.

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True story. One of the people that I was originally leveling up with in my first year of the game was named Libertey Belle. Her and her husband, Cosmic Cowboy, were good people.

A RL friend that played CoH/V named his first character Doc Patroit because Doc Patriot was taken.

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Cobalt Azurean wrote:
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Fireheart wrote:

Liberty Belle is a classic. Of course, it's been used a lot.

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True story. One of the people that I was originally leveling up with in my first year of the game was named Libertey Belle. Her and her husband, Cosmic Cowboy, were good people.

A RL friend that played CoH/V named his first character Doc Patroit because Doc Patriot was taken.

Several of my characters from CoH had "uniquely spelled" names like that because the first or second choice was already taken. I have no problem with something like "Doc Patroit" because sometimes you don't even notice them while playing but I did have problems with people who'd barf up names like "!!!W*O*L*V*E*R*I*N*3!!!" just to be l33t or whatever.

At least since CoT will be providing a global naming system we shouldn't have to waste time making up little tricky changes like that anymore. Also the people who still decide to use "stupid l33t" names will have absolutely no excuse to justify themselves and can be easily avoided if desired.

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Lothic wrote:
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Cobalt Azurean wrote:
Fireheart wrote:

Liberty Belle is a classic. Of course, it's been used a lot.

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True story. One of the people that I was originally leveling up with in my first year of the game was named Libertey Belle. Her and her husband, Cosmic Cowboy, were good people.

A RL friend that played CoH/V named his first character Doc Patroit because Doc Patriot was taken.

Several of my characters from CoH had "uniquely spelled" names like that because the first or second choice was already taken. I have no problem with something like "Doc Patroit" because sometimes you don't even notice them while playing but I did have problems with people who'd barf up names like "!!!W*O*L*V*E*R*I*N*3!!!" just to be l33t or whatever.

At least since CoT will be providing a global naming system we shouldn't have to waste time making up little tricky changes like that anymore. Also the people who still decide to use "stupid l33t" names will have absolutely no excuse to justify themselves and can be easily avoided if desired.

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To be honest, I often get triggered when I have to read such names in games, especially in RPGs... :(

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Kuraikari wrote:
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Several of my characters from CoH had "uniquely spelled" names like that because the first or second choice was already taken. I have no problem with something like "Doc Patroit" because sometimes you don't even notice them while playing but I did have problems with people who'd barf up names like "!!!W*O*L*V*E*R*I*N*3!!!" just to be l33t or whatever.

At least since CoT will be providing a global naming system we shouldn't have to waste time making up little tricky changes like that anymore. Also the people who still decide to use "stupid l33t" names will have absolutely no excuse to justify themselves and can be easily avoided if desired.

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To be honest, I often get triggered when I have to read such names in games, especially in RPGs... :(

I always tried to be open minded when I teamed up in PUGs in CoH and remarkably enough maybe 95% of the time things worked out well on those teams. I simply remember that more often than not people who played, shall we say, idiotically were also the ones who tended to name their characters with stupid l33t names. It wasn't even a question of "strict roleplaying" or not - stereotypically speaking people who use names like that seem to be prone to griefing and asshattery in general.

If those people chose to "self-identify" themselves like that I have no problem avoiding them in favor of other more reasonably sane players. *shrugs*

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I made a female patriotic

I made a female patriotic themed named Maiden America. The play on words with Made in America. She was a sword carrying slightly armored red white and blue character.

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In Champions Online I have a

In Champions Online I have a Celestial (magic healer) character named American Sentinel. He is all red white and blue, with red and white stripes on his boots and gloves, a cape like an American flag, stars on parts of his costume, and he has “flag flight” and “flag speed” as travel powers. (They give flight and super speed respectively, and he trails red white and blue streaks behind him with floating stars. You earn those powers from 4th of July in-game events. He almost literally poops out patriotism.)

Going overboard can be fun. :)

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I made a female patriotic themed named Maiden America. The play on words with Made in America. She was a sword carrying slightly armored red white and blue character.

That reminds me of American Maid from The Tick. Good times, good times.

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Cobalt Azurean wrote:
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I made a female patriotic themed named Maiden America. The play on words with Made in America. She was a sword carrying slightly armored red white and blue character.

That reminds me of American Maid from The Tick. Good times, good times.

Yeah sadly I think that version of "American Maid" got the full force of being judged "not PC enough" by the world in general. She was clearly designed as a "stereotypical" one-trick pony (joke?) whose main powers involved throwing her semi-questionable high-heeled stilettos as "bat-erang" type weapons (left side of pic).

Just a few years later when the first live-action Tick show was released they completely re-worked the character to become "Captain Liberty" (right side of pic) which I suppose they thought was more palatable.

I personally have no problem with the animated Tick's version of American Maid. I just figure that's the type of character that probably would NOT be allowed to be in a show made in 2019 given the way things have "evolved" in the media.

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The Wall

The Wall

Dr. Hitler

The Nazi

Captain Berlin

Captain Germany

The Fuehrer

Swastika

The Shield

I'm thinking any of these could be done with a Black, Red and Gold color combo. Some could be similar to Captain America's costume, but instead of a star, have a shield with an eagle on it, on the chest.

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Brand X wrote:
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The Wall

Dr. Hitler

The Nazi

Captain Berlin

Captain Germany

The Fuehrer

Swastika

The Shield

I'm thinking any of these could be done with a Black, Red and Gold color combo. Some could be similar to Captain America's costume, but instead of a star, have a shield with an eagle on it, on the chest.

After the horrors of World War II, the vast majority of Germans would not consider any of these concepts as anything other than villainous.

It's not hard to come up with modern patriotic German hero concepts.

In my recent tabletop campaign, where I created teams for most major countries in the world, my German team consisted of the very patriotic Bundesadler ("Federal Eagle"), Kugelblitz ("Ball Lightning"), and Baron Munchausen.

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Brand X wrote:
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The Wall

Dr. Hitler

The Nazi

Captain Berlin

Captain Germany

The Fuehrer

Swastika

The Shield

I'm thinking any of these could be done with a Black, Red and Gold color combo. Some could be similar to Captain America's costume, but instead of a star, have a shield with an eagle on it, on the chest.

Just... Wow.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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Brand X wrote:

The Wall

Dr. Hitler

The Nazi

Captain Berlin

Captain Germany

The Fuehrer

Swastika

The Shield

I'm thinking any of these could be done with a Black, Red and Gold color combo. Some could be similar to Captain America's costume, but instead of a star, have a shield with an eagle on it, on the chest.

Just... Wow.

I don’t know what to say, but I do know that this is coming from a perspective muddled with cultural blindness and frank insensitivity.

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If you couldn't tell some of

If you couldn't tell some of those were jokes. I feel sorry for all of you.

However, I do not see how Captain Berlin, Captain Germany or The Shield are in anyways terrible.

Though, now since all took some of those with so much sensitivity, one doesn't have to say they're from the modern age. Sorta like how Captain America is from WW2. What do you feel a WW2 German super soldier could be called?

And quite frankly, I couldn't have come up with them, if it wasn't part of German history. So, quit denying the past that happened. And also remember, this is fiction.

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Brand X wrote:
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If you couldn't tell some of those were jokes. I feel sorry for all of you.

However, I do not see how Captain Berlin, Captain Germany or The Shield are in anyways terrible.

Though, now since all took some of those with so much sensitivity, one doesn't have to say they're from the modern age. Sorta like how Captain America is from WW2. What do you feel a WW2 German super soldier could be called?

And quite frankly, I couldn't have come up with them, if it wasn't part of German history. So, quit denying the past that happened. And also remember, this is fiction.

So you'd be fine with American Patriotic heroes being

Captain Native American Genocide

Dr. Slavery

The Confederate

?

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Well. I wouldn't mind.

Well. I wouldn't mind. However, I'd have to note with some of these...

Dr Slavery, I'd have to note works with pretty much every country. I'd likely make mine Native America, Mexican or Black, since, only 1% of the US population ever owned slaves and they weren't all white and in fact, if I did Dr Slavery, I might make it Anthony Johnson, the first slave owner and a black man, and say he became immortal. Perhaps by becoming a vampire because it sounds like something I would see in Vampire: The Masquerade. However, we could go hero with...Telepath who turns villains into her personal slaves to fight for justice. Possible S&M red/white/blue outfit.

Though that name also sounds a bit more villainy. None of my names outright sound evil unless one knows something of the background of it. Fuehrer just means leader. The Wall. Typical brick name that only has some negative feelings for Germany. If I made it an American who was just super tough for instance, you'd never blink an eye. Make it a German and all hell breaks loose.

The Confederate. Total gunslinger. Though, I'd question whether or not that would be the patriotic hero of America, because that side lost and wanted to break away. Also likely an immortal. Maybe vampire as well. Maybe just cursed to not die, maybe because he was cursed to always seek redemption. Though, if I wanted to go modern day hero, I may do it with magic imbued confederate uniform that may be just a bit of symbiote. However this name screams for grey and not red white and blue.

Captain Native American Genocide is just a terrible name. Why not just go with Captain Genocide? However, that goes back to lots of nations, including Native Americans, since the tribes had their own wars going on all over land before Europeans came over. With a name like that though, red/white/blue outfit clad anti-hero the likes of the Punisher.

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As a Swiss guy, I would try

As a Swiss guy, I would try to call myself "Captain Neutral". Just because. ????
Maybe I would try "Plus Neutral" (the flag + official stance in politics (assumed by others))
Or even "Aiguillon" or "Arbalète" which were prototypes of Swiss jet fighters with high firepower. They were researched and built around 1947 - 1955. The plan was to have a squadron of them flying to Moscow and drop bombs, if Russia had tried to attack Austria, etc.
Well, it was canceled, though.

So my top choices would be "Aiguillon", "Arbalète" and "General Guisan", who (Henri Guisan) was the Swiss army general in the second world war. He's something like a national hero, kind of.

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Project_Hero wrote:
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Captain Native American Genocide

Might become 'The Pilgrim'.

'Kaptain Klansman' might be similarly offensive to a large portion of the population.

I understood that Brand X was letting their 'inner-inappropriate' post that list. Let's be honest, here, the definition of 'patriotic' has changed a lot since the 1700s. Has 'patriotic' become a 'bad-word' yet? I mean, it literally means supporting the patriarchy, right?

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Fireheart wrote:
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Captain Native American Genocide

Might become 'The Pilgrim'.

'Kaptain Klansman' might be similarly offensive to a large portion of the population.

I understood that Brand X was letting their 'inner-inappropriate' post that list. Let's be honest, here, the definition of 'patriotic' has changed a lot since the 1700s. Has 'patriotic' become a 'bad-word' yet? I mean, it literally means supporting the patriarchy, right?

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I think in Germany (I read it in the German version of "thesaurus" (Duden)) the word "Patriot" is sometimes used in a condescending way.
Though I would say it's kind of neutral, as people can take it either way.

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Kaptain Klansman however,

Kaptain Klansman however, doesn't come off sounding patriotic. Much like how Dr Slavery falls into every country ever and even in America it was just 1% of the population.

The Wall. That effected every German and Nazi Party was about a 1/3rd of the country at one point as it's most famous member, got voted in. Not quite the small number.

However...

The Nagasaki Bomber - Red/White/Blue outfit with radiation powers

The Hiroshima Destroyer - see above.

The Smallpox (thinking a red blanket for a cape with a red/blue/white outfit) - stopping the disease of crime with disease itself!

Though, from what I've read this wasn't done as wide spread as people make it out to be and may not have even worked, but it seems to be a good negative side of history in terms of America that I don't recall hearing similar stories from other countries. Also from what I've read this was done before America was it's own country (before July 1776) and likely outbreaks from fighting colonists that had the disease already, but again, this is a popular enough negative for Americans.

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Fireheart wrote:
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Captain Native American Genocide

Might become 'The Pilgrim'.

'Kaptain Klansman' might be similarly offensive to a large portion of the population.

I understood that Brand X was letting their 'inner-inappropriate' post that list. Let's be honest, here, the definition of 'patriotic' has changed a lot since the 1700s. Has 'patriotic' become a 'bad-word' yet? I mean, it literally means supporting the patriarchy, right?

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Patriotism isn't bad, but a lot of folks confuse Nationalism with Patriotism.

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Brand X wrote:
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Though that name also sounds a bit more villainy. None of my names outright sound evil unless one knows something of the background of it. Fuehrer just means leader. The Wall. Typical brick name that only has some negative feelings for Germany. If I made it an American who was just super tough for instance, you'd never blink an eye. Make it a German and all hell breaks loose.

Really, those names sound kinda villainous? Do you think?

And none of yours are bad... Unless you know even basic history.

And yes, Brand. When you take some things and combine them sometimes the sum of it is worse than the two parts separately. Also context matters.

If the thread was asking for Nationalistic supervillain names then no one would have a problem. But as it stands you thought that some of these names were appropriate for a Patriotic SuperHERO.

Also I just kinda love how you're like "It was a joke, but also they're not even that bad if I was serious." Which is it, Brand? Cause you're defending it a little too hard for me to buy it was a joke.

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Brand X wrote:
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None of my names outright sound evil unless one knows something of the background of it.

Isn't that the point of LEARNING something from the mistakes of the past? I get that most of what you've said here would be inoffensive if you totally isolated it from historical context but you could say that about ANYTHING that would offend ANYONE about ANYTHING.

Sadly most of these things can't just be taken at "face value" anymore. History imposes consequences. For instance there was in fact a point when the swastika was only known as a holy symbol of "good luck" used by many cultures and religions. But thanks to a certain National Socialist movement in 1930s Germany it is now forever stigmatized by association with ideas of racism and antisemitism. You can't just dismiss these inconveniences because you don't want to deal with them.

I honestly still can't really tell if you're being serious here or just having a go at us...

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Though that name also sounds a bit more villainy. None of my names outright sound evil unless one knows something of the background of it. Fuehrer just means leader. The Wall. Typical brick name that only has some negative feelings for Germany. If I made it an American who was just super tough for instance, you'd never blink an eye. Make it a German and all hell breaks loose.

Really, those names sound kinda villainous? Do you think?

And none of yours are bad... Unless you know even basic history.

And yes, Brand. When you take some things and combine them sometimes the sum of it is worse than the two parts separately. Also context matters.

If the thread was asking for Nationalistic supervillain names then no one would have a problem. But as it stands you thought that some of these names were appropriate for a Patriotic SuperHERO.

Also I just kinda love how you're like "It was a joke, but also they're not even that bad if I was serious." Which is it, Brand? Cause you're defending it a little too hard for me to buy it was a joke.

First, not all nations are warm and fuzzy.

Next...

The Wall <--- doesn't sound evil and I talked about this one in a previous post.

Dr. Hitler <--- sounds evil but this could be a 1930/40's Patriot back to life in modern times.

The Nazi <--- 1930/40's patriot back to life in modern times.

Captain Berlin <--- Doesn't sound evil at all.

Captain Germany <--- Doesn't sound evil at all.

The Fuehrer <--- Leader in German

Swastika <--- Doesn't sound evil.

The Shield <--- Doesn't sound evil

So, two names that sound evil out of the whole list, with one (Swastika) having negative if one knows the symbol, all could however, be considered Patriotic to Germany in some way.

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Brand X wrote:
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First, not all nations are warm and fuzzy.

And even saying this yourself isn't enough to make you think twice about your "suggestions" here?

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The Wall <--- doesn't sound evil and I talked about this one in a previous post.

Given that the US government was recently kept partially shut down over disagreements about a "wall" (especially ironic since Saint Reagan was against them) I don't think this would make for a good character name anytime soon.

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Dr. Hitler <--- sounds evil but this could be a 1930/40's Patriot back to life in modern times.

Seriously?

Brand X wrote:

The Nazi <--- 1930/40's patriot back to life in modern times.

Super seriously?

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Captain Berlin <--- Doesn't sound evil at all.

OK, you finally got to one that might not be bad to use. I guess you were bound to get to one eventually.

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Captain Germany <--- Doesn't sound evil at all.

OK, I'll give you this one would probably be fine as well.

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The Fuehrer <--- Leader in German

Sure the word generically means "leader" in German but ever stopped to wonder why the word is not in official use by the current German government? This "title/name" was stigmatized by Nazi era Germany pretty much like the Swastika was stigmatized.

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Swastika <--- Doesn't sound evil.

I already explained why this one is obviously bad.

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The Shield <--- Doesn't sound evil

To be fair this one is generic enough that it's not even specifically related to Germany at all (Nazi era or otherwise).

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all could however, be considered Patriotic to Germany in some way.

*facepalm*

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Well, technically the Nazi

Well, technically the Nazi logo and a normal swastika look different. (Different angle, mirrored) I have a link here, but I won't embed it for different reasons.

https://www.stonebridge.com/images/books/The%20Buddhist%20Swastika%20and%20Hitlers%20Cross_smaller.jpg

And Swastikas are still used in Japan to mark temples, even in Google Maps.

(just a side note)

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Well, technically the Nazi logo and a normal swastika look different. (Different angle, mirrored) I have a link here, but I won't embed it for different reasons.

https://www.stonebridge.com/images/books/The%20Buddhist%20Swastika%20and%20Hitlers%20Cross_smaller.jpg

And Swastikas are still used in Japan to mark temples, even in Google Maps.

(just a side note)

As I strongly implied there are multiple different styles of swastika used in multiple cultures and religions even today. These uses far pre-date the Nazis and many people around the world still accept their continued uses in those non-Nazi contexts.

My point was that all things being equal the "general symbolism" of a swastika in western societies is going to be forever linked to the fate of Nazi Germany. No matter how "innocent" the symbol itself might be in isolation it simply has far too much "cultural baggage" in Europe and North America for it to be NOT linked to the Nazis even if you "flip it over" or "look at it from a different angle".

In effect I feel bad that the "legitimate uses" of that ancient symbol has been forever tarnished by a group that usurped it for evil purposes.

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all could however, be considered Nationalistic to Germany in some way.

Fixed it for you.

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Kuraikari wrote:

Well, technically the Nazi logo and a normal swastika look different. (Different angle, mirrored) I have a link here, but I won't embed it for different reasons.

https://www.stonebridge.com/images/books/The%20Buddhist%20Swastika%20and%20Hitlers%20Cross_smaller.jpg

And Swastikas are still used in Japan to mark temples, even in Google Maps.

(just a side note)

As I strongly implied there are multiple different styles of swastika used in multiple cultures and religions even today. These uses far pre-date the Nazis and many people around the world still accept their continued uses in those non-Nazi contexts.

My point was that all things being equal the "general symbolism" of a swastika in western societies is going to be forever linked to the fate of Nazi Germany. No matter how "innocent" the symbol itself might be in isolation it simply has far too much "cultural baggage" in Europe and North America for it to be NOT linked to the Nazis even if you "flip it over" or "look at it from a different angle".

In effect I feel bad that the "legitimate uses" of that ancient symbol has been forever tarnished by a group that usurped it for evil purposes.

Yeah, I might be one of the few people seeing it for the original symbol and not the "modern" Version.

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Kuraikari wrote:
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Well, technically the Nazi logo and a normal swastika look different. (Different angle, mirrored) I have a link here, but I won't embed it for different reasons.

https://www.stonebridge.com/images/books/The%20Buddhist%20Swastika%20and%20Hitlers%20Cross_smaller.jpg

And Swastikas are still used in Japan to mark temples, even in Google Maps.

(just a side note)

As I strongly implied there are multiple different styles of swastika used in multiple cultures and religions even today. These uses far pre-date the Nazis and many people around the world still accept their continued uses in those non-Nazi contexts.

My point was that all things being equal the "general symbolism" of a swastika in western societies is going to be forever linked to the fate of Nazi Germany. No matter how "innocent" the symbol itself might be in isolation it simply has far too much "cultural baggage" in Europe and North America for it to be NOT linked to the Nazis even if you "flip it over" or "look at it from a different angle".

In effect I feel bad that the "legitimate uses" of that ancient symbol has been forever tarnished by a group that usurped it for evil purposes.

Yeah, I might be one of the few people seeing it for the original symbol and not the "modern" Version.

I'm not saying that accepting its "original symbolism" is a bad thing. Like we've both said many cultures/religions still use it today.

Unfortunately I'm just pointing out the plain fact that for many people in Western cultures (again Europe and North America) it has been stigmatized to the point where even if you try to "justify" its use in media by saying something like "my version is not the Nazi version" or "it's just a Buddhist symbol" simply would not be enough to excuse it.

Like I implied before there's nothing "inherently evil" about any version of the swastika. It's just that for many people its association with Nazi Germany is enough to make it strictly and forever taboo and I'm fine with accepting that simple reality.

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So, frozen in time and awoken

So, frozen in time and awoken patriotic Captain America is all well and good. Do the same with a patriotic German from the same time period, who would've been a hero to his country then, but wakes up to be, not a hero to the people anymore?

Having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.

Definition of patriotism.

What's a synonym of patriotism? Nationalism. Identification with one's own nation and support for its interests.

That all said, I obviously meant some of those as jokes and not modern day heroes. :p

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One of my favorite patriotic creations from CoX was a Fiery Aura / War Mace tanker.

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Is The National taken?


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The Patriot! Then dress him in german flag colors!

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Has 'patriotic' become a 'bad-word' yet? I mean, it literally means supporting the patriarchy, right?

Not sure if this is supposed to be a joke (it’s a poor one if so) but it doesn’t.

“Patriot” is from the Greek root “patrios” which means “of one’s father”.

“Patriarchy” has the same “patrios” root, but the “arch” suffix means “ruler”, and means “ruled by the father”, or being ruled by men.

“Patriot” no more supports a “patriarchy” than assuming a “bedknob” supports “bedbugs”.

By the way, “patriot” came into usage in English by way of the French word “patriote” in the 16th century. It didn’t originally have positive meaning; it initially had a meaning identical to “compatriot”, as in meaning someone was a fellow countryman, not necessarily a loyal one.

By the 17th century, it was more commonly used in the term “good patriot”, the way in modern English we normally only use the term “Samaritan” to describe a “Good Samaritan” (someone who helps a stranger). By the end of the 17th century that usage was so ubiquitous that they dropped the “good” part as redundant and the term came to always be a positive one (and in England specifically it meant loyalty to the Crown).

At the same time, it was also at times a derogatory term for a hypocrite who claims patriotism but whose actions are not in the public interest.

In the 18th century, as the American colonies moved toward revolution they embraced the term as its opposite meaning and used it to mean someone opposed to monarchy and wanting independence from England. You’ll note the founding fathers using the term in that sense in their writings, and the mascot for the New England Patriots NFL team derived from this as well.

In the years following the American Revolution the term slowly went back to its older meaning; a dedication to the independence of the colonies became a dedication toward the nation those colonies became, and now again means loyalty to your country.

But the idea that “patriot” is a “bad word” isn’t new, unless you define “new” as “in the last 400 years”...

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So, frozen in time and awoken patriotic Captain America is all well and good. Do the same with a patriotic German from the same time period, who would've been a hero to his country then, but wakes up to be, not a hero to the people anymore?

Having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.

Definition of patriotism.

What's a synonym of patriotism? Nationalism. Identification with one's own nation and support for its interests.

That all said, I obviously meant some of those as jokes and not modern day heroes. :p

Captain America has, multiple times, fought against the government of America when he felt it has stepped out of line with what America stands for.

A patriotic German hero of the same time period (the 40s) would have stood with the 66% of germans who didn't want the Nazis in power. They would see that the Nazis are bad for Germany. They wouldn't be a nazi, and they would actively fight against them an the atrocities they are commiting. You know, like a HERO would.

No Patriotism and Nationalism aren't synonymous. Nationalism is the dark reflection of Patriotism. Patriotism is having pride in your country and trying to make it better. Nationalism is to believe your country is superior and doesn't need to get any better because it is already the best.

If they were just jokes why are you defending them so hard as good ideas? Why wasn't your first response to people not finding your joke suggestions helpful to be just "Hey, I was just joking. I wasn't serious, they were intentionally bad"? Why do you continue to defend the legitimacy of your joke suggestions? That is not something someone does when joking.

So, you either made those suggestions based on ignorance and will not or can not admit that. Or you -actually- think that they were good ideas and are using "it was a joke" as some sort of defense when you find out people do not agree with you.

Which is it?

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Captain America has, multiple times, fought against the government of America when he felt it has stepped out of line with what America stands for.

That’s where Nomad came from. Steve Rogers did not feel like he could wear American symbolism without being a hypocrite so he gave up the Captain America identity. He took it up again later when he felt confident in the country again.

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A patriotic German hero of the same time period (the 40s) would have stood with the 66% of germans who didn't want the Nazis in power. They would see that the Nazis are bad for Germany. They wouldn't be a nazi, and they would actively fight against them an the atrocities they are commiting. You know, like a HERO would.

That sounds like an awesome background. A German superhero is revived from suspended animation that he was trapped in since WW2. When accused of serving Hitler, he’d retort that he’s a hero that fought for Germany and its people so of COURSE he fought the Nazis. :)

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Project_Hero wrote:
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So, frozen in time and awoken patriotic Captain America is all well and good. Do the same with a patriotic German from the same time period, who would've been a hero to his country then, but wakes up to be, not a hero to the people anymore?

Having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.

Definition of patriotism.

What's a synonym of patriotism? Nationalism. Identification with one's own nation and support for its interests.

That all said, I obviously meant some of those as jokes and not modern day heroes. :p

Captain America has, multiple times, fought against the government of America when he felt it has stepped out of line with what America stands for.

A patriotic German hero of the same time period (the 40s) would have stood with the 66% of germans who didn't want the Nazis in power. They would see that the Nazis are bad for Germany. They wouldn't be a nazi, and they would actively fight against them an the atrocities they are commiting. You know, like a HERO would.

No Patriotism and Nationalism aren't synonymous. Nationalism is the dark reflection of Patriotism. Patriotism is having pride in your country and trying to make it better. Nationalism is to believe your country is superior and doesn't need to get any better because it is already the best.

If they were just jokes why are you defending them so hard as good ideas? Why wasn't your first response to people not finding your joke suggestions helpful to be just "Hey, I was just joking. I wasn't serious, they were intentionally bad"? Why do you continue to defend the legitimacy of your joke suggestions? That is not something someone does when joking.

So, you either made those suggestions based on ignorance and will not or can not admit that. Or you -actually- think that they were good ideas and are using "it was a joke" as some sort of defense when you find out people do not agree with you.

Which is it?

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/patriotism

Yes. It is.

Hero...I'm just going to come out and say it. Don't be an idiot. You don't really think I wouldn't know someone would whine and make a fuss about such suggestions as Dr Hitler? Though, when I thought of that one, I was thinking of Hitlerella from Adventures of Wonderella.

That's what makes it a joke. The joke was on any who took it so serious. Seriously.

Though, as to the reason to defend them? Pffft. I wasn't doing anything else at the time. Bored. Bored. Bored.

As for the patriotism aspect. Sorry, but I'm sure that majority that got the Nazi party voted in, considered themselves patriots.

Just look at America. Different sides. All considering themselves patriots and the other side the enemy.

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Though, as to the reason to defend them? Pffft. I wasn't doing anything else at the time. Bored. Bored. Bored.

Trolling. Got it.

Edit. And because I can't leave it alone on the website you linked check out the definition for patriotism. It has 1. The love for one's country. Now click Nationalism and check out all of it's definitions.

Like 3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.

And Nationalism is also Synonymous with Chauvinism: extreme devotion to a belief or nation.
And
zealous and aggressive patriotism or blind enthusiasm for military glory.

It's almost as if Nationalism is kinda like a reflection of patriotism... But darker... If only there was some way to put it better.

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Volkmann is a good one, especially if the toon has darker tendencies.


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Though, as to the reason to defend them? Pffft. I wasn't doing anything else at the time. Bored. Bored. Bored.

Trolling. Got it.

Edit. And because I can't leave it alone on the website you linked check out the definition for patriotism. It has 1. The love for one's country. Now click Nationalism and check out all of it's definitions.

Like 3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.

And Nationalism is also Synonymous with Chauvinism: extreme devotion to a belief or nation.
And
zealous and aggressive patriotism or blind enthusiasm for military glory.

It's almost as if Nationalism is kinda like a reflection of patriotism... But darker... If only there was some way to put it better.

Funny how joking always gets called trolling by those who don't find the joke funny. :p

Point however remains. They're synonyms.

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Brand X wrote:
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Though, as to the reason to defend them? Pffft. I wasn't doing anything else at the time. Bored. Bored. Bored.

Trolling. Got it.

Edit. And because I can't leave it alone on the website you linked check out the definition for patriotism. It has 1. The love for one's country. Now click Nationalism and check out all of it's definitions.

Like 3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.

And Nationalism is also Synonymous with Chauvinism: extreme devotion to a belief or nation.
And
zealous and aggressive patriotism or blind enthusiasm for military glory.

It's almost as if Nationalism is kinda like a reflection of patriotism... But darker... If only there was some way to put it better.

Funny how joking always gets called trolling by those who don't find the joke funny. :p

Point however remains. They're synonyms.

Intentionally defending a position you do not hold "for the lolz" is trolling, yes.

And no. They are not always synonymous. In fact they are more often not synonymous.

By applying your logic with that to comics would mean Batman and Owlman are EXACTLY the same, because they have a number of similarities.

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When you make a joke that you

When you make a joke that you know is going to upset people and you do it anyway, that is by definition trolling. Brand X, you completely admitted to trolling. If this board was actively moderated you’d probably be in hot water at this point.

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Point however remains. They're synonyms.

You might be able to argue in isolation that the terms "Patriotism" and "Nationalism" are synonyms based on whichever dictionary you look at. But anyone with just the slightest hint of experience with how those two words have been used IN PRACTICE would understand it only makes you look foolish in your attempt to equate the two.

Let's get the obvious out of the way. Merriam-Webster defines the two words thusly:

Patriotism = love for or devotion to one's country
Nationalism = loyalty and devotion to a nation

But here's where the two part ways in a major way. It begins even in Merriam-Webster when it goes on to QUALIFY its definition of Nationalism:

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especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

So while Patriotism can be expressed as a generic love for one's own country Nationalism goes much further by implying/claiming that your nation is ABOVE ALL OTHERS and that you should only do things that help your country regardless if those actions helps or hurts other countries. It's anti-globalist in a nutshell.

There's a reason why the Nazi party in 1930s Germany was named the NATIONAL SOCIALISTS party, not the PATRIOTIC SOCIALISTS party. Anyone who claims to be a "Nationalist" is someone who not -only- has a strong love for their own country. That person is also telling you (via the use of that word) that they have a strong hatred against other peoples that often (but not always) includes outright racism against "outsiders".

The "alt-right" is a Nationalist movement. Neo-Nazis are Nationalists by definition. White supremacists are Nationalists. The idiots who voted for Brexit and are now reaping the chaos of the UK trying to figure out a way to leave the EU were Nationalists. The native Russians who supported Putin's annexation of Crimea were Nationalists. The list sadly goes on and on...

With just a bit of practical knowledge you can easily see the TRUE difference between the connotations of Patriotism versus Nationalism and how you really can't just throw them around interchangeably.

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The only time germans are patriotic is during international soccer tournaments, so...
König Fußball?

Pick some name you like and ask a native speaker (for german that would be me) to translate it for you. Google's translator has a weird sense of humor at times... and some names might by copyrighted.

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Though, now since all took some of those with so much sensitivity, one doesn't have to say they're from the modern age. Sorta like how Captain America is from WW2. What do you feel a WW2 German super soldier could be called?

Übermensch seems kinda obvious.
Wunderwaffe Although all RL Wunderwaffen had some fatal flaw that kept them from being deployed... so I'd expect a gimped toon. Or maybe a failed experiment.
Characters of germanic mythology and folklore: Sigurd/Siegfried, Gudrun/Kriemhild, Freischütz, Lorelei, Arminius/Hermann, etc.
Panzermensch

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'Kaptain Klansman' might be similarly offensive to a large portion of the population.

That's Kaptain K. Klansman to you!

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Just don't write it that way.
ë has no function in the german language, ü does.
Beschützer. =)

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Panzermensch is an awesome name and sounds like an 80s heavy metal band.

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Just don't write it that way.
ë has no function in the german language, ü does.
Beschützer. =)

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When you make a joke that you know is going to upset people and you do it anyway, that is by definition trolling. Brand X, you completely admitted to trolling. If this board was actively moderated you’d probably be in hot water at this point.

A joke is still a joke. So if making jokes gets people into hot water, especially since the joke didn't make any name calling, I would find it sad. Also, makes me worry that none of you watch any stand up, as they can easily say something that upsets someone.

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When you make a joke that you know is going to upset people and you do it anyway, that is by definition trolling. Brand X, you completely admitted to trolling. If this board was actively moderated you’d probably be in hot water at this point.

A joke is still a joke. So if making jokes gets people into hot water, especially since the joke didn't make any name calling, I would find it sad. Also, makes me worry that none of you watch any stand up, as they can easily say something that upsets someone.

I care less about your garbage attempt at humor and more that you tried to float the idea that Nazis were patriots and could be heroes then defended that position.

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A joke is still a joke. So if making jokes gets people into hot water, especially since the joke didn't make any name calling, I would find it sad. Also, makes me worry that none of you watch any stand up, as they can easily say something that upsets someone.

I've seen dozens of stand up acts over the years. I've yet to see one that managed to successfully "joke" in a positive way about Nationalism. *shrugs*

To be fair and balanced (lol) I'm sure there must be at least a few "personalities" out there that only die-hard alt-righters would know about who play at their rallies or Klan meetings, but thankfully for the time being you're not likely ever going to see anyone who's actually "famous" doing that.

I understand you're doing your best here to paint a picture that Nationalism is not any worse than a bunch of other random things that might generically "upset" people. But if you were to make a list of the most inflammatory subjects you could possibly imagine to piss people off with trying to make "Nationalism seem OK" would easily be near the top of the list.

I make fun of all sorts of things on this forum and elsewhere but I will always be deadly, stone-cold serious when it comes to Nationalism. Nationalism was the primary cause of BOTH World Wars that collectively killed untold millions and is the prime motivator of countries like Russia, Iran and North Korea today. It's simply a subject not worth "joking" around with unless you do it this way:

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We get way too distracted. We

We get way too distracted. We should try to get back on track, regarding the threads topic.

We focus too much on the patriotic part of the name. We might take a step back and look for German or Finnish general names and try to find a good balance.

"Hildegard", "Ferdinand", "Friedrich", "Sigmund",
"Sigurd", "Manfred", "Esther", "Maximilian".

Those are some names I can say which are German. But they are pretty old. Around 1900 - 1990.

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We get way too distracted. We should try to get back on track, regarding the threads topic.

We focus too much on the patriotic part of the name. We might take a step back and look for German or Finnish general names and try to find a good balance.

"Hildegard", "Ferdinand", "Friedrich", "Sigmund",
"Sigurd", "Manfred", "Esther", "Maximilian".

Those are some names I can say which are German. But they are pretty old. Around 1900 - 1990.

I'm fine with people brainstorming historical German/Scandinavian names for CoT. I'm just hoping we can steer clear of the unfortunate bits of Nationalism that litter the path of that history and I'm perfectly fine not mentioning that subject again if everyone else is good with that.

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We get way too distracted. We should try to get back on track, regarding the threads topic.

We focus too much on the patriotic part of the name. We might take a step back and look for German or Finnish general names and try to find a good balance.

"Hildegard", "Ferdinand", "Friedrich", "Sigmund",
"Sigurd", "Manfred", "Esther", "Maximilian".

Those are some names I can say which are German. But they are pretty old. Around 1900 - 1990.

I'm fine with people brainstorming historical German/Scandinavian names for CoT. I'm just hoping we can steer clear of the unfortunate bits of Nationalism that litter the path of that history and I'm perfectly fine not mentioning that subject again if everyone else is good with that.

Of course historical data is good, but the current discussion didn't help finding any names for a superhero.
Using names of military personnel during the ww2 isn't the same as this discussion before. However taking the Führer as a name is nowhere a good choice. First he was originally Austrian, second he was a madman.
We could look for his subordinates, which were mainly German and aren't having names which are as problematic as Hitler's.
"The Wall" is weird, as it was a problem for both sides and wouldn't be patriotic for a German.
"Bundesadler" could work, however, it was used before in the third reich as well, so for today's Germany it wouldn't be super popular.
For a contemporary name I would try to focus on the European Union participation, as Germany is a big part there.

For Finnish names, I don't know too much about the history there, to be completely honest.

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Of course historical data is good, but the current discussion didn't help finding any names for a superhero.

The "finding names for a superhero" effort was being tainted by the talk of nationalism. I wanted those associations to be put to rest and apparently it took a small "Why Nationalism is Bad" sidetrack to do that. The thread had already de-railed... I was actually trying to bring it back on course.

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For Finnish names, I don't know too much about the history there, to be completely honest.

Sadly they were quite nationalist/fascist themselves at least during WW2 serving as nominal allies of Nazi Germany for several years. But again I think those negative elements can be easily avoided for CoT with a small amount of effort.

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Lothic wrote:
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Of course historical data is good, but the current discussion didn't help finding any names for a superhero.

The "finding names for a superhero" effort was being tainted by the talk of nationalism. I wanted those associations to be put to rest and apparently it took a small "Why Nationalism is Bad" sidetrack to do that. The thread had already de-railed... I was actually trying to bring it back on course.

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For Finnish names, I don't know too much about the history there, to be completely honest.

Sadly they were quite nationalist/fascist themselves at least during WW2 as nominal allies of Nazi Germany. But again I think those negative elements can be easily avoided for CoT with a small amount of effort.

Thanks! I appreciate your effort and of course thanks for the information ????????

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Back on track, possibly

Back on track, possibly naming the Hero after a famous landmark could work.

For a French one they have some history as revolutionaries, that could yeild some good names. Though I'm not sure if it's something the country is proud of.

I came up with one but it's not great. Deutschland is the name of Germany in german, and Mann is man in German so... Deutsch-Mann which I have no idea what that translates to, apparently just Deutschmann is a german surname though.

It's a bit difficult as to know what would fit you'd need to know about their culture, history, and what, as a people, they take pride in. At least to make a really good name. Otherwise theres always Captain (insert country here) or names of the like.

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Back on track, possibly naming the Hero after a famous landmark could work.

For a French one they have some history as revolutionaries, that could yeild some good names. Though I'm not sure if it's something the country is proud of.

I came up with one but it's not great. Deutschland is the name of Germany in german, and Mann is man in German so... Deutsch-Mann which I have no idea what that translates to, apparently just Deutschmann is a german surname though.

It's a bit difficult as to know what would fit you'd need to know about their culture, history, and what, as a people, they take pride in. At least to make a really good name. Otherwise theres always Captain (insert country here) or names of the like.

Deutschmann would just be something like "deutscher Mann" or German Man.
We could try to make combinations. We could use Latin, as a lot of Germans have Latin during their school years.

"Germanica Protector"
Or if it's a girl "Deutsche Victoria"

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For a French one they have some history as revolutionaries, that could yeild some good names. Though I'm not sure if it's something the country is proud of.

We're talking about the birth of modern democracy. Of course France is proud of that.

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For a French one they have some history as revolutionaries, that could yeild some good names. Though I'm not sure if it's something the country is proud of.

We're talking about the birth of modern democracy. Of course France is proud of that.

Then heck yeah, grab some names from there for a French Patriotic hero

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Kuraikari wrote:
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Back on track, possibly naming the Hero after a famous landmark could work.

For a French one they have some history as revolutionaries, that could yeild some good names. Though I'm not sure if it's something the country is proud of.

I came up with one but it's not great. Deutschland is the name of Germany in german, and Mann is man in German so... Deutsch-Mann which I have no idea what that translates to, apparently just Deutschmann is a german surname though.

It's a bit difficult as to know what would fit you'd need to know about their culture, history, and what, as a people, they take pride in. At least to make a really good name. Otherwise theres always Captain (insert country here) or names of the like.

Deutschmann would just be something like "deutscher Mann" or German Man.
We could try to make combinations. We could use Latin, as a lot of Germans have Latin during their school years.

"Germanica Protector"
Or if it's a girl "Deutsche Victoria"

Flying Deutschmann?

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Cobalt Azurean wrote:
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Back on track, possibly naming the Hero after a famous landmark could work.

For a French one they have some history as revolutionaries, that could yeild some good names. Though I'm not sure if it's something the country is proud of.

I came up with one but it's not great. Deutschland is the name of Germany in german, and Mann is man in German so... Deutsch-Mann which I have no idea what that translates to, apparently just Deutschmann is a german surname though.

It's a bit difficult as to know what would fit you'd need to know about their culture, history, and what, as a people, they take pride in. At least to make a really good name. Otherwise theres always Captain (insert country here) or names of the like.

Deutschmann would just be something like "deutscher Mann" or German Man.
We could try to make combinations. We could use Latin, as a lot of Germans have Latin during their school years.

"Germanica Protector"
Or if it's a girl "Deutsche Victoria"

Flying Deutschmann?

Hmm... Why not? It's a funny reference and even more funny that they are neighboring countries. So it could be even something like a "what if" kind of scenario.

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Kuraikari wrote:
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Back on track, possibly naming the Hero after a famous landmark could work.

For a French one they have some history as revolutionaries, that could yeild some good names. Though I'm not sure if it's something the country is proud of.

I came up with one but it's not great. Deutschland is the name of Germany in german, and Mann is man in German so... Deutsch-Mann which I have no idea what that translates to, apparently just Deutschmann is a german surname though.

It's a bit difficult as to know what would fit you'd need to know about their culture, history, and what, as a people, they take pride in. At least to make a really good name. Otherwise theres always Captain (insert country here) or names of the like.

Deutschmann would just be something like "deutscher Mann" or German Man.
We could try to make combinations. We could use Latin, as a lot of Germans have Latin during their school years.

"Germanica Protector"
Or if it's a girl "Deutsche Victoria"

Flying Deutschmann?

Hmm... Why not? It's a funny reference and even more funny that they are neighboring countries. So it could be even something like a "what if" kind of scenario.

I like a good play-on-words, and it's doubly so with the 'flying' portion also working on being super-powered. I think it's glorious.

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Cobalt Azurean wrote:
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Back on track, possibly naming the Hero after a famous landmark could work.

For a French one they have some history as revolutionaries, that could yeild some good names. Though I'm not sure if it's something the country is proud of.

I came up with one but it's not great. Deutschland is the name of Germany in german, and Mann is man in German so... Deutsch-Mann which I have no idea what that translates to, apparently just Deutschmann is a german surname though.

It's a bit difficult as to know what would fit you'd need to know about their culture, history, and what, as a people, they take pride in. At least to make a really good name. Otherwise theres always Captain (insert country here) or names of the like.

Deutschmann would just be something like "deutscher Mann" or German Man.
We could try to make combinations. We could use Latin, as a lot of Germans have Latin during their school years.

"Germanica Protector"
Or if it's a girl "Deutsche Victoria"

Flying Deutschmann?

Hmm... Why not? It's a funny reference and even more funny that they are neighboring countries. So it could be even something like a "what if" kind of scenario.

I like a good play-on-words, and it's doubly so with the 'flying' portion also working on being super-powered. I think it's glorious.

Kuraikari Approves! ????????

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Project_Hero wrote:
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For a French one they have some history as revolutionaries, that could yeild some good names. Though I'm not sure if it's something the country is proud of.

We're talking about the birth of modern democracy. Of course France is proud of that.

Then heck yeah, grab some names from there for a French Patriotic hero

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The Dobermann.

The Dobermann.

I know there’s a “Doberman” in comics but give it the proper “nn” spelling of the original German name to differentiate.

The Dobermann is smart, alert, loyal to a fault, strong and driven, but can be stubborn. All the traits of the breed. Maybe his DNA was mixed with that of a dog to give him speed, stamina, and heightened senses.

Just as the Dobermann was bred as a guard dog, he guards the German people from all threats.

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How about the always popular

How about the always popular Jäger/Jaeger (hunter) or the more archaic Jägersmann/Waidmann (huntsman)?

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For Finnish names, I don't know too much about the history there, to be completely honest.

Sadly they were quite nationalist/fascist themselves at least during WW2 serving as nominal allies of Nazi Germany for several years. But again I think those negative elements can be easily avoided for CoT with a small amount of effort.

I don't think Finland was facist. If i understood correctly, they only joined the Axis because soviet union, which was Allied, tried to invade.

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Did they "join the axis"? I

Did they "join the axis"? I thought it was just an anti-soviet resistance.


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Not according to Wikipedia,

Not according to Wikipedia, which matches my high school history recollections (which were only a few years longer after WII than it now has been since ). They had co-belligerent status, and the Finns got aid from Germany, but for the Finns it was just an "enemy of my enemy" deal. But I do advise looking into the Winter War before forming opinions as to why the Finns attacked the USSR.

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Finland had a real life

Finland had a real life superhero with an awesome name.

White Death

When you are nicknamed “White Death” by the Red Army you are a bad ass. The actual number of kills he logged by himself as a sniper is not known but he is generally credited with more than 500. That’s over a time period of less than 100 days during the Winter War, averaging more than 5 a day.

I’d say a character using that monicker would be a good patriotic Finnish superhero, and a nod to their legendary war hero.

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The White Death. The sniper

The White Death. The sniper so feared, that when they found out they didn't kill him, they went for peace :)

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I think he did get captured,

I think he did get captured, but as much as I love the name, it's more on the Mister Sinister end of the spectrum than Captain America :p


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I think he did get captured, but as much as I love the name, it's more on the Mister Sinister end of the spectrum than Captain America :p

Think a patriotic version of the Punisher, in white. With a cross across the chest like the flag of Finland.
IMAGE(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Flag_of_Finland.svg/1280px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png)

Edit: Also, who says a patriotic character has to restrict himself to punching people, saving puppies, and telling kids to stay in school? (Not that I’m slamming on Cap, he’s my all-time favorite superhero.) But you can protect your country and be a patriotic symbol while using lethal force. Even Cap used a gun in WW2, he was a soldier after all.

Turn his rifle into a freeze ray gun if you want him to be more of a Golden Age type. Plus it fits the name.

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Idk if a "patriotic version

Idk if a "patriotic version of punisher" would even work :p He's a bit chaotic


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I think he did get captured, but as much as I love the name, it's more on the Mister Sinister end of the spectrum than Captain America :p

He wasn't. He was shot in the face... and lived.

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Finland had a real life superhero with an awesome name.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä]White Death[/url]

When you are nicknamed “White Death” by the Red Army you are a bad ass. The actual number of kills he logged by himself as a sniper is not known but he is generally credited with more than 500. That’s over a time period of less than 100 days during the Winter War, averaging more than 5 a day.

I’d say a character using that monicker would be a good patriotic Finnish superhero, and a nod to their legendary war hero.

"[...]Antti Rantama (Häyhä's unit military chaplain) credited Häyhä with 259 confirmed sniper kills without the use of a scope[...]" - Wikipedia

Oof. Definitely not a glasses user. I would never hit, lol. Not even if they were in front of me.

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I think he did get captured, but as much as I love the name, it's more on the Mister Sinister end of the spectrum than Captain America :p

Think a patriotic version of the Punisher, in white. With a cross across the chest like the flag of Finland.

Edit: Also, who says a patriotic character has to restrict himself to punching people, saving puppies, and telling kids to stay in school? (Not that I’m slamming on Cap, he’s my all-time favorite superhero.) But you can protect your country and be a patriotic symbol while using lethal force. Even Cap used a gun in WW2, he was a soldier after all.

Turn his rifle into a freeze ray gun if you want him to be more of a Golden Age type. Plus it fits the name.

And Bucky used a gun when he was Captain America, IIRC.

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Sadly they were quite nationalist/fascist themselves at least during WW2 serving as nominal allies of Nazi Germany for several years. But again I think those negative elements can be easily avoided for CoT with a small amount of effort.

I don't think Finland was facist. If i understood correctly, they only joined the Axis because soviet union, which was Allied, tried to invade.

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Did they "join the axis"? I thought it was just an anti-soviet resistance.

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Not according to Wikipedia, which matches my high school history recollections (which were only a few years longer after WII than it now has been since ). They had co-belligerent status, and the Finns got aid from Germany, but for the Finns it was just an "enemy of my enemy" deal. But I do advise looking into the Winter War before forming opinions as to why the Finns attacked the USSR.

Yeah the history there is obviously a bit more complicated than the "one sentence summary" I originally offered.

You could definitely quibble over whether the Finns officially joined the axis during WW2 or not, especially considering that throughout the course of the war they kind of "flip-flopped" between being anti-soviet and then anti-axis. A lot of it was an "enemy of my enemy" deal against the Soviets but there was a clear reason why the Finns and Soviets were enemies in the first place and that reason was the fact that the Finns were ideologically much closer to the nationalistic Germans of the time.

The Finns maintained a very pro-nationalistic, anti-communist stance throughout the war that was "very sympathetic" to Nazi Germany at least at the beginning of the war. The Finns allowed the German army to set up positions inside Finland and fought coordinated battles together. Basically the Finns were pro-axis when the Germans were winning and then slowly evolved to being anti-axis towards the end. They still had to ride that fine line so that after the war they could be considered "pro-west" and receive continued support from the west against the Soviet Union during the cold war. They basically had to "play down" their original close involvement with Nazi Germany so they could look more favorable to the future NATO allies who had just crushed the axis powers.

It's an interesting case of a relatively small country having to survive against much bigger forces on both sides. Despite the messiness you can still easily use Finnish lore/history as a basis for a game like CoT. Just remember that pretty much every nation/culture has some "rough edges" you have to be willing to work around.

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"[...]Antti Rantama (Häyhä's unit military chaplain) credited Häyhä with 259 confirmed sniper kills without the use of a scope[...]" - Wikipedia

Oof. Definitely not a glasses user. I would never hit, lol. Not even if they were in front of me.

Yeah, and usually in the dark since it was wintertime in the far north.

His kills were mostly with a bolt-action sniper rifle using iron sights. He didn’t want to use a scope because it made the rifle much more visible and a scope tended to ice up in the extreme cold. He also put snow in his mouth to prevent his breath from releasing steam to give himself away. This guy must have seemed like a ghost.

He also got a number of kills with a submachine gun, so those sniper kills weren’t the entire extent of kid body count.

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