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Fri, 06/08/2018 - 14:21
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A real life supervillain. You will NOT believe this...but it's true.
Oh yeah, good old Killdozer. That was such a bizarre story. I remember reading about that years ago.
We have real costumed crimfighters where I live (and where MWM is). Phoenix Jones is the most famous.
Where MWM is? Which part of MWM? Or better, which where?
Foradain, Mage of Phoenix Rising.
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Seattle, which is IIRC where Dr Tyche lives? I think that's right anyhow...
Just outside of
Technical Director
Read enough Facebook and you have to make Sanity Checks. I guess FB is the Great Old One of the interent these days... - Beamrider
makes me think. Doc, how long would a similar armored vehicle/tank last in COT?
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And a few others.
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Might help if they used Harty-Plate.
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Supervillain? Are we suuurrreeee? Seems more like vigilante justice to me =P
Your smiley face might indicate that you're joking, but the sad reality is that to some people (primarily those of the anti-government viewpoint) this man IS viewed as a hero.
yeah and he ruined a lot of lives that didn't deserve to get ruined
not my video just one I lke ===> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-SdIN0hsM
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Everything's relative... One person's "freedom fighter" is always going to be another person's "terrorist".
The guy who built the Killdozer said he was reasonable until they forced him to be unreasonable. *shrugs*
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Yeah well sociopaths tend to try to find excuses to dehumanize others so they can feel better about killing them... Jeffrey Dahmer thought he was fighting evil, Hitler thought he was making the world a better place and Captain Killdozer thought he was "pushed to brink". The excuses one makes for killing proactively doesn't excuse the fact that they just killed a whole bunch of people. This man is a danger to society and should be treated as one.
not my video just one I lke ===> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-SdIN0hsM
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Actually I thought the vid about the Killdozer said (at the 6:10 mark) the guy involved didn't hurt/kill anybody except ultimately himself.
Certainly doesn't make what he did "right" but still it does make his rampage a bit less "evil" all things considered.
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Zero death count (sans his own) and considering the government he fights against (yes, the US government) is responsible for a decent number of atrocities, its a bit less black and white than that.
I would say, based on the story, that he did get wrongly screwed by his local government. It's plainly obviously that he massively "overreacted" to that, but sadly he was legitimately prompted towards being "unreasonable" about it.
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"Oh, [he's] a villain allright, just not a super one."
Super Villains either get away, flee their imprisonment or return from the dead.
Something, I'd say, that's rather unlikely in his case.
Killdozer's more of a [url=https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MonsterOfTheWeek]Monster of the Week[/url]. ([i]TV[/i]tropes, click at own risk)
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I kidnapped his lady, now his power's are zero.
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He didn't fight the government though, He fought the people around him. He didn't drive his Killdozer through the white house he drove it through the property of anyone who annoyed him or inconvenienced him, he drove it through buisnesses both big and small and drove many people to the poor house because of it!!
not my video just one I lke ===> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-SdIN0hsM
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Well, I don't know of one country that's been a saint that has done no wrong to it's people and it's neighboring country.
Next question is, just what is enough is enough, that one isn't thought of as a socio/psychopath?
Just how far is one supposed to be pushed? How hard? When does one get to say they're done take it and they're going to give it in equal or greater retaliation?
Do we consider all those who said "Enough" during the revolution, to be sociopaths, for revolting?
There's no indication that anyone was "driven to the poor house" by this guy's actions. Sure he did cause a lot of damage (I think the vid said $7 million worth) but most of it was likely covered by insurance or other means.
Again I'm really not trying to defend this guy's actions. The fact that he DIDN'T manage to hurt/kill anyone else was probably just a lucky miracle because based on what he did he probably (statistically speaking) should have taken at least a few innocent people with him. But having said all that I can at least understand (if not condone) the frustration that lead him to take matters to a hyperbolic extreme. At least you can't say he didn't have a "plan".
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I dunno. I guess I can see two sides of the situation. On the one hand he had tried to get approval to simply build a new access road/driveway to his business and I simply can't see why they didn't let him. On the other hand, it's not like he took any steps/measures to assure that he WOULDN'T kill anyone. The fact that no one DID get killed was pure luck. He knew his actions COULD cause death, and didn't [i]personally[/i] do anything to prevent that.
To me, that makes him an out and out villain, even if I could possibly understand his motivation.
I suppose if he had taken out an ad in the local paper to announce that on such-n-such date he was going to bulldoze the entire town it would have been more "sporting" of him and it would have been a little less "negligently sadistic" on his part. But the fact that he didn't take any obvious care to prevent his actions from hurting/killing anyone is strangely enough just about the only thing I seriously "fault" him for in this case.
Frankly on some primal level the town deserved his wrath. He ended up killing himself so it wasn't exactly like he got away "scot-free" regardless.
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It's come to my attention that I don't know as much as I thought I would about the situation and need to bow out
not my video just one I lke ===> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-SdIN0hsM
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If he'd put any consideration into minimizing casualties he could have launched his rampage at night, when the businesses he destroyed were closed and unlikely to have people inside. Instead he deliberately chose to carryout his attack during business hours.
Beyond that he had gun ports built into his bulldozer's armor and multiple weapons mounted inside that would have served no purpose other than expressly causing injury/death. There's no question in my mind that he fully intended to kill people, he simply wasn't successful in that aspect.
I really only know as much about this event as what was in the vid that was provided by Cyclops in the original post. It seemed pretty informative all by itself - it's not like I earned a separate PhD on this topic somewhere else along the line. *shrugs*
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Again he clearly had no problem with the potential to hurt/kill people during his rampage and like you say the fact that he designed his home-made tank with gunports and guns means he clearly had given some premeditated thought to the idea of potentially shooting at people. Absolutely a "bad guy" who was likely (and rightly) going to be sent to prison for the rest of his life assuming they had gotten to him before he shot himself.
But again apart from his complete disregard for the immediate safety of others (innocent or not) I actually don't have [i][b]that much[/b][/i] trouble with his particular method of seeking revenge on the town. At the very least it was creatively unique. The fact that a bunch of people had actually seen his tank in his garage over the years and never reported him for it leads me to think that ultimately there should have been other people called out for at least some of the eventual blame as well.
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No exit strategy. No 'what happens after' plan.
Be Well!
Fireheart
I suspect the "single gunshot to the head" was his "exit strategy". Even if he hadn't gotten stuck or damaged the engine he would've run out of gas eventually and with no doors/hatches he never planned to leave the tank in a "nice/peaceful" way.
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