islandtrevor72 wrote:

...In CoH the second you dinged you got an increase in combat effectiveness and health. The only things training affected was power/slot acquisition and level restrictions on zones or enhancements. Again ...I could be wrong. There is nothing to say that this can't be changed for CoT and its probably a bit better to allow players to store levels indefinitely than allow repeated earning at a specific level.

Hmmmm interesting.
+1

Since levels are directly connected to the experience points, it would require creating 2 serparate experience point meters to attach to the character, one that is 'active' for actual xp gains, and one that was 'passive' to track the xp gained, fill the xp meter, and upon the 'not-really-a-level' being gained, triggering the level up event. Then there would of course require a switch between the two separate experience meters.

And of course if something had to change with the leveling system itself, the 'passive' meter would need to be separately updated.

The only case where I see this as possibly beneficial is if a player wants to streetsweep the same area and not leave, but get the benefits of the level-up experience. The truth is, honestly, it probably isn't worth it in the long run.
Turning off XP allows for playing in a desired area of the game already. The only thing that is missing is the level-up benefits - which well, the player has decided to not level up in the first place. Its a cake and pie situation in my opinion.

With our auto-team-level (sidekick) system, teaming up with higher and lower level characters auto-adjusts the team to the leader's level.

With our (eventually) robust flashback system (I hope to implement), players can select to have their character's level limited down to the instanced content's level range.

The same can be done with user-generated-content - which if we can place in sections of open world maps - can allow players to create their desired level street-sweeping experience.

Bringing us back to the only instance not covered - open world street sweeping at a desired level without turning off xp, and since xp can be turned off...

Tannim222 wrote:

Bringing us back to the only instance not covered - open world street sweeping at a desired level without turning off xp, and since xp can be turned off...

Ahh, Soooo...
I can go to a NPC that I normally see about adjusting the Difficulty, which also can Adjust my Expemp Level, without the need to be Sidekicked by another player, or by a Mission NPC? :)

It sounds to me like what he OP really wants is to have a toon at level 1, turn off leveling, but continue to rack up XP as if a level 1 toon forever. So then, when you reach the XP milestone for Level 2, you get the "DING!", accompanied by the refresh of Health and Stamina, but instead of then attaining level 2 combat effectiveness, you get reset back to level 1's minimum XP point (so 0XP in this case), effectively allowing you to ding level 2 AGAIN in a few minutes, thus giving you faster, repeated Hit point and Stamina refreshes over and over again as you keep hitting "level 2" then dropping back to 0XP again. Then when you actually do turn "Leveling" back on again, you don;t automatically get the highest level you attained from XP gained, you are instead wherever your "non level XP" left you, which is somewhere between level 1 and level 2. Theoretically, you could get to, say, level 12 and turn Leveling off again thus running the XP meter around the clock face again, constantly gaining XP then hitting "Level 13" and being reset to the minimum XP for level 12 instead.

If this were CoX this would allow you to level slower so as to be able to gain enough INF to always have the best possible gear at every level, plus you could stay at a specific level and try to get different random items to drop that are more likely at that level. In COT I don't know if the same benefits would be there. Of course, there's also the benefit that you get almost constant "DING!" events, refreshing your Health and Stamina for you, so like having a built-in healer. All at the cost of flushing a bunch of well-deserved XP down the drain.

In a weird way this feels a little bit like tanking on tests intentionally in grade school so as to get held back a year or two on purpose, so that when you get to highschool you're already 17 years old, as a freshman, and can totally dominate on the football team for four years.

islandtrevor72 wrote:

Who are you saying this to? Cause it doesn't seem to have any relation to what I said.

I wasn't aware of saying it 'to' anyone. Just musing that the flashback system, once it was in place, could effectively produce the requested effect.

Paladin, I'm not sure if there would be any level-gate for using a flashback system. Presumably, one would have to be at least the 'minimum' level for the content, itself. In CoH, the lowest level mission in flashback was the 'zero-level' Tutorial mission.

Be Well!
Fireheart

The issue with using the Reserves system thusly, is that it throws the Momentum state off for filling Reserves. If the xp switch off increased the ratio of Reserve fill rate for natural Momentum depletion, the higher rate of Reserve fill for gaining the buffs could result in negatively impacting game play. It oils be easy to "game the system" to get the higher rate of return for temporarily turning off so, switch it back on to use up reserves, refill Momentum, and repeat. I'd be willing to bet clever players could come up with some clever binds to handle the switchingas seemlessly as possible.

Which means now we not only have to have a switch off for xp, an entire series of separate coding rates for momentum depletion, (different sets can gain momentum differntly, thus their depletion rates are different to keep everything copacetic), but now some form of cool down timer for this paticule switch to prevent gaming the system. All for something which, again, has an extremely limited application for the game.

Typically, most QoL improvements don't get a lot of priority (though some have become more standard over the years). And we are going to spend a lot of time on a lot of QoL improvements which have been prirotized because of the impact they would have for the larger portion of players or expected larger portion of certain groups. For something like this which would require quite a bit of time to design and thoroughly test, it would have to have a similar impact on the larger audience. Thus far, my personal opinion is that it has a very limited application.

There were questions raised in the Momentum thread for the update we had on the subject. One pertained to the issue of how different sets would need to generate Momentum differently so there was parity, otherwise, there would be sets that ended up 'too good' at generating Momentum and other sets that struggled to do so. Being that this is a game-wide mechanic, it needs to take into account the performance of a wide variety of power sets and actions characters can take in generating Momentum.

Power Set Momentum-generating capability would therefor also dictate Reserve acccess because as Momentum naturally decays, it fills Reserves. Hence if certain sets were better at generating Momentum, then these sets could also end up being capable of slowing down often enough to also fill Reserves more often as well. At least, they'd have the more leeway in doing so because these sets could build Momentum back up quickly.

Internally, we had already addressed this issue where Momentum isn't a static gain rate, but can be tuned to provide similar Momentum based performance between power sets. There will likely still exists some range of performance, but the bounds should still be pretty narrow. This of course is the base-line. We can't fully account for poor play habits of players or fully account for those who aim for maximum optimization and end up pulling off the unexpected either. Though we should have a pretty good idea of the possible upper bounds that exist in extreme cases through simulations.