Scott Jackson wrote:

Even with the rough state of Odo's example, I was impressed by the similarity to CoH's movement style as Bob had him running around the test area. Considering how unsatisfying many of the CO and DCUO movement animations have been for me, I can't wait this style to return.

+1!!!

I'm so glad you said that. I was going to comment on how much I liked the movement earlier, but I thought that it might seem like an odd thing to point out.

I didn't realize what a fan I was of CoH movement until I played other games. It had a fluidity and naturalness that I have really missed when playing CO or DCUO, and even TSW.

And the action was just wonderful. While CoH combat may not have been "twitch", it sure was packed full of good ole Superhero action. It had very dynamic "choreography", for lack of a better term.

The jerky, unnatural movement and lack of good looking and feeling action that I've found in other Superhero MMORPG's has been one of the obstacles that have made it hard for me to find another home.

Shadow Elusive wrote:

Why does everybody think I mean the whole game should work this way...it's almost insulting. I mean it would be a luxury/perk effect purchasable in the shop, that you could add to specific weapons or attacks or animations on a specific toon.

I guess i'm in the same boat. :(
I didnt like the WHAP, BAM, KAPOW, from the old Batman TV show with Adam West, from what very little i remember.. I think I was 4 years old when it was in its reruns?

Any chance this can be made an Option somewhere, so Roleplayers can see it, but the rest of us Wont?!? ;)

I know I am a little late but I have a question about the Kitsune- tails. Will their size be adjustable? Because the way they are presented in the screenshots and videos, they look much to small to me.

warcabbit wrote:

The 9 Tails are a special Dev present. We can't promise how adjustable they, or tails 1-8 will be, but we're going to do our very best to make them work for all of you.

As long as More Tails adds More Fly Speed! ;D

[img]http://i.imgur.com/JU28gXN.jpg[/img]

Or have store purcasable fly travel power called TAILS! ;D

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Wy750Xs.png[/img]
(just like Elika was carrying the Prince of Persia across empty gaps)

Kidding. ;D

Unreal 4 just looks gorgeous to me. A lot of reflective, chrome-like metal I've seen in games comes off looking like plastic fake-chrome. That cockroach is just gorgeous, both in design and rendering.

I'm really glad we're using U4!

That roach needs to shoot lasers at some point

Brutum wrote:

I don't understand. What's a big red ball have to do with anything haha?

http://cityoftitans.com/forum/big-red-ball-0
;)

Izzy wrote:

DeathSheepFromHell wrote:
You didn't think that the whole extensible-skeleton-and-attachment setup mentioned a few days ago came out of nowhere, did you?
Foot bone's connected to the... leg bone,
Leg bone's connected to the... hip bone,
[and so on... except that's the inside-out version]
As for shoulder pads... more on that later.

Very cool.
Sooo... the elephant in the room would be... Morph Targets, on individual body parts. :P
Just me assuming thats the approach used to scale the different body regions. One slider affects more that one body part sometimes (or most of the time).
And how to make sure they all share the same vert' locations after adjusting Morph parameter(s). :{
Maybe its too early for that though. ;D
Good Job Guys/Gals. ;)
I know everyone else wants to see the City Fleshed out with all the finishing touches, but I dont care for that.. as much as the Character Creator, at this time.
I'm also curious about using a DepthMask shader technique for cutting out holes for doors into buildings without any interior that was done in Houdini to speed things up, and avoid having to do the Black Door mission entrance thing.
That way, you can have allot of building made in Houdini that dont really have an interior.. and have a separate mesh inside of the building look like a small hall, you walk into and fade to black. But thats for much later. ;D

Morph targets would be one of the key things that are *not* supported by the skeletal mesh merging out-of-the-box in UE4, indeed. Probably the simpler one to add, although it raises some interesting questions about how to handle morph targets that might normally occur across pieces that are distinct costume parts, when those may or may not all show up (depending on other factors). As for the sliders... there is a bit of distance between "what would be awesomely ideal" and "what we can probably practically achieve at launch" -- but the good news is that it seems pretty unlikely that choices made for launch would place much in the way of constraints on what we might eventually be able to do.

The other really critical one, at least for the core body, is set of physics definitions that go along with the body to make it more than either purely animated or a floppy ragdoll that can have 720-degree twists out of nowhere. Clothing physics are at least stored in a way that appears to be tightly associated with the vertex data, although I have not yet gotten down into that level of the third-party SDK involved.

As for the interiors... we're actively working through some prototyping that will probably have a significant impact on what we decide to attempt, there. It would definitely be nice to avoid the "vanish into the void" effect, but as wonky as it was, it did avoid some of the issues that can happen with other approaches. This ties into the exploratory work around just what we can get away with doing with buildings in the first place, especially given that an MMO "level map" for the world at large is a very different beast from a standard FPS level or an interior map.

It's been great to see some new things over the last 12 days. I have to admit I expected something a bit more for the final day though. I had this feeling the event was leading to a big reveal on the 12th day

Caulderone wrote:

Quote:
Well, I hope you’ve enjoyed Devmas as much as we have - and I hope you watched yesterday’s video. There’s a promise of something very special in it. Here’s the link again.
How did I miss the possibility!
BIG RED BALL!

... got tested a while back and was uninspiring, when all you could do was walk into it to bump it around.

The Petalstorm brush wind effect is a handy little way to test things like that a bit more easily. But there is so much more to be done before it is really at a state where I, personally, would consider it feature-complete.

But fear not, intrepid adventurers! All shall be revealed in good time. Probably more than one time, even, since it happens to make a convenient visual for certain demos, much as Odo himself does.

I mean, it isn't even red yet.

Zerohour wrote:

It's been great to see some new things over the last 12 days. I have to admit I expected something a bit more for the final day though. I had this feeling the event was leading to a big reveal on the 12th day

Sadly, sometimes a cockroach is just a cockroach. The 12 days was about getting to show folks progress on some of what they had been promised in the KS, and some new tidbits that they didn't know about yet.

Besides, usually we know better than to put a big reveal at the end of a 12-day thing. There's almost nothing that would be so "wowzers" that it would actually fulfill the level of expectation that could raise in folks, to be honest. Plus it is hard to taunt everyone for that long without *something* slipping. :)

DeathSheepFromHell wrote:

Izzy wrote:
Shadow Elusive wrote:
Why does everybody think I mean the whole game should work this way...it's almost insulting. I mean it would be a luxury/perk effect purchasable in the shop, that you could add to specific weapons or attacks or animations on a specific toon.

I guess i'm in the same boat. :(
I didnt like the WHAP, BAM, KAPOW, from the old Batman TV show with Adam West, from what very little i remember.. I think I was 4 years old when it was in its reruns?
Any chance this can be made an Option somewhere, so Roleplayers can see it, but the rest of us Wont?!? ;)

While I am not absolutely certain that we will be able to omit them entirely, I *can* say all of the following:
They are almost certainly something that would be limited to the "specialized" item; the visuals of the game are definitely not intended to be Adam West-era styling. Love it or hate it, CO has already gone that route, and we're trying to be a better CoH, not a better CO. Styling in most MMOs isn't all that critical, but Superheroes are such an entirely visual medium that they tend to break that rule. I'm not the person to speak to the overall visual tone (that would be Petalstorm), but I can say that it is definitely intended to be consistent, with only minimal and special-case things breaking that, and those being largely or entirely at the discretion of the players themselves.
There will be *some* way to avoid being forced to see at least the more egregious combinations; those who played Spines/Fire will know whereof I speak, here. As will anyone who had to suffer through teaming with them...
For the sake of sanity, those ways will probably be more in the shape of "replace" than "omit"
The main situation in which it isn't purely cosmetic is PvP, due to the potential for visual cues. Whether we deliberately allow it, disallow it, or make it optional in various ways *for PVP* is something that will depend at least in part on what appears to end up working well in that context. Not all PvP will necessarily even be the same, even.
There are several approaches we might take to all of this, and in some cases they are pretty wildly variant from each other, but there will definitely be ways to mitigate such things. "Certain people know where I sleep" among others...
Epileptic and other strobe-triggered issues are not just a matter of hitting a particular "magic frequency" or color or intensity. There are certainly some that are more common than others, but the ability to put control over this into the hands of the *viewer*, if and when they feel it necessary to exercise that control, is pretty much the only thing that can guarantee that problems like this can truly be addressed. While we can work to minimize the potential for them, it is quite literally impossible to cover every situation that might arise (consider beat frequencies and other fun problems when you have multiple sources involved).

That guy here: can laymen get a stripped down version of that? :p

Odo for some reason seems a little off. Dawned on me today what it was. The thighs seem to be a tad too long for my taste. Oh well.

As for the roach...

[img]http://paleoweightlosscoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/I-want-it-now-300x225.jpg[/img]

warcabbit wrote:

Well, that was popular!
Yep, my dropbox just got suspended.
What? No, there's no Day 13.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/dupulMv.png[/img]

Hey Santa-Cabbit. We dont want an Error 509, lump of Coal! :(

I wasnt Naughtly. :<

[img]http://i.imgur.com/FeKVVdg.png[/img]

OK, now i want Cabbit Ears in-game. :(

;)

warcabbit wrote:

Try this link instead! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1e-qCQGnUGOc2Y2OFlsaXJ2T1k/view

TY. Santa Cabbit. :D

I think Google Drive Down-samples the images when Previewing them, so i tried uploading them here (for people with 3/mb or slower download speeds) to see:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-G-3jTfhPIaU3pTMkw5emF4R2s&usp=drive_web#grid
..and click on "12 Days of Christmas".

But under No circumstances should you click on the crappy "Music I made ;D" folder. Because there's 3 very brief MP3's in there that use 3 instruments only throughout and might not be to orchestral standards. :/ View at your own Risk! ;)

I had not been able to read the signs that leftmost muttonpack had been holding up. Thanks, Santa Cabbit!

notears wrote:

Alright so I have two questions, are vanity pets considered a costume piece you can select in game or are they a power you have to activate in game? and question 2, I saw that picture of a raven familiar shooting a laser out of it's face which led me to say that thing about the clockroach shooting a laser out of it's face, is that still the plan for vanity pets if they are considered a costume piece rather than a power, even if it comes after the game is made?

It's just an uninformed guess but I would imagine they will work the same way that the vanity pets in WoW do

desviper wrote:

DeathSheepFromHell wrote:
While I am not absolutely certain that we will be able to omit them entirely, I *can* say all of the following:
They are almost certainly something that would be limited to the "specialized" item; the visuals of the game are definitely not intended to be Adam West-era styling. Love it or hate it, CO has already gone that route, and we're trying to be a better CoH, not a better CO. Styling in most MMOs isn't all that critical, but Superheroes are such an entirely visual medium that they tend to break that rule. I'm not the person to speak to the overall visual tone (that would be Petalstorm), but I can say that it is definitely intended to be consistent, with only minimal and special-case things breaking that, and those being largely or entirely at the discretion of the players themselves.
There will be *some* way to avoid being forced to see at least the more egregious combinations; those who played Spines/Fire will know whereof I speak, here. As will anyone who had to suffer through teaming with them...
For the sake of sanity, those ways will probably be more in the shape of "replace" than "omit"
The main situation in which it isn't purely cosmetic is PvP, due to the potential for visual cues. Whether we deliberately allow it, disallow it, or make it optional in various ways *for PVP* is something that will depend at least in part on what appears to end up working well in that context. Not all PvP will necessarily even be the same, even.
There are several approaches we might take to all of this, and in some cases they are pretty wildly variant from each other, but there will definitely be ways to mitigate such things. "Certain people know where I sleep" among others...
Epileptic and other strobe-triggered issues are not just a matter of hitting a particular "magic frequency" or color or intensity. There are certainly some that are more common than others, but the ability to put control over this into the hands of the *viewer*, if and when they feel it necessary to exercise that control, is pretty much the only thing that can guarantee that problems like this can truly be addressed. While we can work to minimize the potential for them, it is quite literally impossible to cover every situation that might arise (consider beat frequencies and other fun problems when you have multiple sources involved).

That guy here: can laymen get a stripped down version of that? :p

Our basic approach / assumption is "if it makes your eyes bleed, you should be able to tell the game to stop doing that to you".

DeathSheepFromHell wrote:

desviper wrote:
DeathSheepFromHell wrote:
While I am not absolutely certain that we will be able to omit them entirely, I *can* say all of the following:
They are almost certainly something that would be limited to the "specialized" item; the visuals of the game are definitely not intended to be Adam West-era styling. Love it or hate it, CO has already gone that route, and we're trying to be a better CoH, not a better CO. Styling in most MMOs isn't all that critical, but Superheroes are such an entirely visual medium that they tend to break that rule. I'm not the person to speak to the overall visual tone (that would be Petalstorm), but I can say that it is definitely intended to be consistent, with only minimal and special-case things breaking that, and those being largely or entirely at the discretion of the players themselves.
There will be *some* way to avoid being forced to see at least the more egregious combinations; those who played Spines/Fire will know whereof I speak, here. As will anyone who had to suffer through teaming with them...
For the sake of sanity, those ways will probably be more in the shape of "replace" than "omit"
The main situation in which it isn't purely cosmetic is PvP, due to the potential for visual cues. Whether we deliberately allow it, disallow it, or make it optional in various ways *for PVP* is something that will depend at least in part on what appears to end up working well in that context. Not all PvP will necessarily even be the same, even.
There are several approaches we might take to all of this, and in some cases they are pretty wildly variant from each other, but there will definitely be ways to mitigate such things. "Certain people know where I sleep" among others...
Epileptic and other strobe-triggered issues are not just a matter of hitting a particular "magic frequency" or color or intensity. There are certainly some that are more common than others, but the ability to put control over this into the hands of the *viewer*, if and when they feel it necessary to exercise that control, is pretty much the only thing that can guarantee that problems like this can truly be addressed. While we can work to minimize the potential for them, it is quite literally impossible to cover every situation that might arise (consider beat frequencies and other fun problems when you have multiple sources involved).

That guy here: can laymen get a stripped down version of that? :p

Our basic approach / assumption is "if it makes your eyes bleed, you should be able to tell the game to stop doing that to you".

Okay, not that dumbed down :p But sounds good so far.

DeathSheepFromHell wrote:

Interestingly, while UE4 has an extremely clear dividing line internally, how that maps to actual behavior that the user sees is much more flexible; you could plausibly have a "true pet" that simply sat on someone's shoulders if that is what its "brain" told it to do, and conversely, you can have things that are part of a costume be animated separate from the rest of the costume, or even *appear* to be independent of the rest of the costume to a degree (they aren't, actually, but it is possible to fake it) -- just as a halo can be a costume piece that isn't actually "attached" to the rest of the costume, physically.

Cool. Sounds like that gives you some interesting options!

Sorry if this has already been asked/answered, Will you guys be doing another 12 Days of Devmas this year?

Lin Chiao Feng wrote:

* cowers behind a wall.

*slightly confused*

Odd, no one mentioned reaching that that point in the design phase when it's time to...

Kiyori Anoyui wrote:

Sorry if this has already been asked/answered, Will you guys be doing another 12 Days of Devmas this year?

If they are as underwhelming as they were last year, I'd say skip it.

I'm finding my satisfaction level waning.. not because of lack of work or effort, But lack of results and workable timeline. Last year we thought we'd have a costume creator in alpha by now..

I think we need some reality adjustments and a true assessment of why deliverables are coming late or not at all.

I think many people around here have an unrealistic expectation of progress. This is basically why many game devs don't release anything about the games they are working on till they are relatively close to launch. Normally - we wouldn't have an insider's view at this very early stage of game development. Seriously - games take YEARS to develop. Unfortunately, due to the nature of this project, early "leaks" are unavoidable, and are even kind of required.

Personally - my position in this whole deal is: the game will come out when it comes out (if it comes out at all). There is no set schedule, there isn't even a guarantee that there WILL be a game. The devs know where they are regarding the game's progress, but there are always setbacks, and the devs don't want to release too much too early for a variety of reasons. I'll continue to visit the forums, eat up any tidbits the devs throw our way, and when we can get our hands on something to play - COOL! In the meantime I'll be over here playing other games.

Idc how long it takes, so long as they add hand cannons and nunchaku, hehe.

Fav weapon in an MMO had to be Cyborgs hand cannon from DCUO, it looked sick.

But anyway.....

The holiday season is quickly approaching, with all its emotional highs and lows. Some of that will undoubtedly spill over onto places like this and will likely range from anxiousness, to people demanding to know why promises that were never made aren't being kept, to pronouncements that the game will never see the light of day. It's mostly just people letting off steam. (You should see the ebb and flow of talk about the progress of the deal to secure the CoH IP.)

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Bleddyn wrote:

partly due to the simple fact that I have been aware for a long while that most MMOs take a considerably long time to completely develop.

There's is a huge difference in time scales between posting on forums and developing for games. A conversation about a topic can pop up and generate a lot of traffic in just a few hours. The conversation can last for days or maybe even a few weeks ... and then it dies away because a lot of what needed to be said has been said so interest in continued posting wanes, the topic slows and starts falling further down on the New Posts listings. The important thing though is that the "update speed" going on as far as the forums are concerned happens in a matter of minutes/hours/days.

Contrast that with the pace of development, where the "update speed" going on is measured in weeks and months (if not years!).

No wonder there's a huge disconnect in assumptions. There's this sense that if it takes ME 20 minutes to write a post about something, it should take an equal (or approximate) amount of time to FIX that specific issue ... and when that doesn't happen (in an absurdly timely fashion), people feel "betrayed" or otherwise "let down" by the Development Team [i]not responding fast enough[/i] to merge in with the evolving conversation on the Forums (at the rate of conversation speed happening on the Forums).

Doesn't matter that the underlying assumption of Developers can "keep up" with everything said on the Forums AND "do things" in real time response to them is not only fatally flawed but selfishly unrealistic.

Better.
Faster.
Cheaper.

If you're managing your program (and Developers) well, you can manage to get 2 out of those 3.
If you're managing everything poorly, you'll only manage to get 1 out of those 3.
If the Developers ask "how high?" every time the Forums say "JUMP!", you'll only manage to get ZERO out of those 3.

And so which option do forum communities tend to gravitate towards? The last assumption ... duh. Why? Because it means that the forum people are "in charge" and not the Developers.

If you want to test the true character of a man, don't hit him with adversity. Give him POWER.

We try not to say very much, but giving out goals does help keep US on track. Perhaps not enough to meet said goals but a little external pressure is good for us, frankly. Nobody is being paid, but being nudged works :P We do always emphasize the dates are soft goals, things we hope to achieve.

Development tends to be full of the unexpected, and of course our inexperience is a big factor, not just our volunteer status. So delays happen easily. To use that list above, we pretty much *have* to go for better cheaper. To a very extreme degree of cheap, so the speed tradeoff can be quite steep. That said, we're starting to get some more experienced volunteers, so things may well pick up.

Shadow Elusive wrote:

We try not to say very much, but giving out goals does help keep US on track. Perhaps not enough to meet said goals but a little external pressure is good for us, frankly. Nobody is being paid, but being nudged works :P We do always emphasize the dates are soft goals, things we hope to achieve.
Development tends to be full of the unexpected, and of course our inexperience is a big factor, not just our volunteer status. So delays happen easily. To use that list above, we pretty much *have* to go for better cheaper. To a very extreme degree of cheap, so the speed tradeoff can be quite steep. That said, we're starting to get some more experienced volunteers, so things may well pick up.

I feel like this is them dipping their foot in the pool of disappointment quickly approaching us. Reminders of them being volunteers. Reminders that they are inexperienced. Reminders of their tight budget. Using words like "soft goals", "hope" or "unexpected".

The costume creator was THE priority when this project got funded. I don't know what happened to that.

Zerohour wrote:

Reminders of them being volunteers. Reminders that they are inexperienced. Reminders of their tight budget.

Reminders that REALITY™ has veto authority.

"I feel like this is them dipping their foot in the pool of disappointment quickly approaching us. Reminders of them being volunteers. Reminders that they are inexperienced. Reminders of their tight budget. Using words like "soft goals", "hope" or "unexpected"."

Dude - we've been saying all that from day one. The volunteer line, the budget line, soft goals, hope - all standard since DURING the KS. And onward since.

We did want to release the AB first, and that's still the goal. It makes sense in a lot of ways for us. And that does mean that it was a priority. But THE priority I think implies a kind of design approach that isn't even possible. If we just designed IMVU with spandex and *then* started working on the game, trust me, the issues that would follow would be a nightmare. You can't develop one part of a game at a time. You have to develop in synchrony, or you'll find your various parts contradicting or incompatible with others. So while we pushed the AB all right, yes, you're seeing plenty of updates relating to other parts of the game.

It's also in part because when we hit a wall in AB development other areas pick up until we figure out a way around, over, or through.

Shadow Elusive wrote:

We did want to release the AB first, and that's still the goal. It makes sense in a lot of ways for us. And that does mean that it was a priority. But THE priority I think implies a kind of design approach that isn't even possible. If we just designed IMVU with spandex and *then* started working on the game, trust me, the issues that would follow would be a nightmare. You can't develop one part of a game at a time. You have to develop in synchrony, or you'll find your various parts contradicting or incompatible with others. So while we pushed the AB all right, yes, you're seeing plenty of updates relating to other parts of the game.
It's also in part because when we hit a wall in AB development other areas pick up until we figure out a way around, over, or through.

Well said SE. As long as I see any progress at all I will be happy. I am creating a video game and I know for a fact that it is hard work and I especially know that sometimes things are incompatible with each other. I have plenty of games that I can play to tide me over til the game I WANT to play is out. Just keep going and we will be home one day :)

I understand were you are coming from Zero, and others, outside of the forums do as-well. Those on the forums are more lenient, because they love the project and have been following it for quite some time. However, those outside, the people CoT would want to bring in appear to share your sentiments Zero.

The links to the CO threads had a reoccurring theme, "Promises"

Again, it does not bother me personally, I can wait (No choice, lol), but I did recall someone confirming that the creator will be out by the here by end of the year on MWM's Youtube channel.

"The Character Creator is on course for release before the end of the year. Yes, I just said that. The game itself we hope to get out mid to late 2016. This will be a pared down version of the game - we're doing the easier to implement stuff first, to learn what we need to know to tackle the harder stuff (and to get the income flow to tackle the harder stuff on a full time schedule). Said launch will have the cap at thirty, but we will be already at work behind the scenes to get us to level 50."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUTl3It9zb0

First comment under replies.

I am not trippin though, it is all good. Not sure what the status of these things are atm, but they must have been trucking if a pared down version of the game is on track for mid 2016.

I have a better feeling about CoT than VO, that is for sure, lol. No clue what is going on over there, that pre-alpha was just awful, no-way they get to Steam anytime soon. Just my opinion, i am not a game developer so...could be wrong, but i have seen other pre-alphas, and they resemble a game.

CoT will be fine imo.

Foradain you can view those links any way you want. The fact of the matter is that on multiple occasions the lead designers recognized that people want the costume creator, and the promise to get that out first and foremost was a driving force behind the project.

I don't know how "The character creator comes first" or "...starting with the avatar creator" doesn't evoke a sense of priority to you. Usually when something is done first, that makes it a priority.

Kiyori Anoyui wrote:

Shadow Elusive wrote:
We did want to release the AB first, and that's still the goal. It makes sense in a lot of ways for us. And that does mean that it was a priority. But THE priority I think implies a kind of design approach that isn't even possible. If we just designed IMVU with spandex and *then* started working on the game, trust me, the issues that would follow would be a nightmare. You can't develop one part of a game at a time. You have to develop in synchrony, or you'll find your various parts contradicting or incompatible with others. So while we pushed the AB all right, yes, you're seeing plenty of updates relating to other parts of the game.
It's also in part because when we hit a wall in AB development other areas pick up until we figure out a way around, over, or through.

Well said SE. As long as I see any progress at all I will be happy. I am creating a video game and I know for a fact that it is hard work and I especially know that sometimes things are incompatible with each other. I have plenty of games that I can play to tide me over til the game I WANT to play is out. Just keep going and we will be home one day :)

I am looking forward to Overwatch when it comes out. Would probably be my next FPS (after Team Fortress 2) that I will play for quite awhile

Zerohour wrote:

Foradain you can view those links any way you want. The fact of the matter is that on multiple occasions the lead designers recognized that people want the costume creator, and the promise to get that out first and foremost was a driving force behind the project.

The reason that the avatar builder is a necessity is because it is the same tool that the devs will be using to create most, if not all, of the NPCs. The AB will be a lot more user-friendly (i.e. limited) than what the devs will use. DocT has also hinted, or stated, that the AB module will play an important role in how the whole game is set up or whatnot. (It was quite some time ago and he didn't go into any detail.) If you want to call getting the first things done first "a driving force" then, yes, it's a driving force behind the project.

I've not read anything that would indicate that their approach has changed, so I don't know why you feel that anything happened to that. If you're referring to Shadow Elusive's statement from June, then it's as Foradain pointed out: "Looking to be ready for testing" is a maybe, not an, "I promise." A lot can happen in six months. Keep your towel close and don't panic.

But Devmas would be a nice tradition that can go on even when the game is out. Keeping it going could keep the hope strong!

Imagine if they did everything sequentially, if they were doing that and they released the Avatar Builder, then we would complain cause we know that nothing else had been done yet.

Phararri wrote:

Kiyori Anoyui wrote:
Imagine if they did everything sequentially, if they were doing that and they released the Avatar Builder, then we would complain cause we know that nothing else had been done yet.

I spend many minutes on creators, I would not mind one bit, lol.
the creator is like 40% of the game for me, if that is what you are referring to, the character creator.
The creator would have been a great way to bring in CoH, DCUO, Marvel 2015, CO, and other players.I don't know squat about development, not sure if one a prioritize a creator over other aspects, but the standalone creator could have been a great tool gain potential players. Most spend hours in the creator anyway, so tons of MMO fans will be playing around on that bad boy.

I would certainly spend an absurd amount of time on it. I am pretty sure many other people on these forums would too.

Someone out there would still find a reason to complain though. I have seen people complain about more mundane things before