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Firebombing a building

[b][url=http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Hellion_Arson]Hellion Arson Event[/url][/b]

City of Heroes had the Hellion Arson Event in Steel Canyon.

I've often said, both publicly and privately, to a wide variety of people, that after what they did to City of Heroes ... NC$oft should "die in a fire" ... in part because the very thought of it gives me warm fuzzies. For the record, I had the same feelings for NC$oft after they killed off Tabula Rasa, but I was willing to give the company a second chance with City of Heroes because of the Invention System released with Issue 9. Now ... the company has EARNED a lifetime ban from my wallet ... and I'm not too proud to say that I would [b]LOVE[/b] to see them get "burned in (virtual) effigy" for what they did to the many incredible people who worked at Paragon Studios.

So I'm kinda sorta wondering if we couldn't perhaps "vent our feelings" upon our FORMER corporate overlords by setting up their East Coast HQ in the City of Titans and making it the "Arson Event Building" for the zone, where "people" (whether PCs or NPCs, doesn't really matter too much) just keep setting the building on fire. You could then have NPC "Conspiracy Theorist" Civilians gather on the street to pass out Protest Literature explaining/expounding on why THIS particular business building is such a (*cough*) Fire Hazard (*cough*), along with lots of wacky other little bits of Fluff. Things like a former Cape walking the street wearing a big Sandwich Board in protest that reads "[b]THE END IS NIGH![/b]" on the front, with "[b]WE'RE ALL DOOOOMED![/b]" on the back in the vicinity of this location ... and other fun in-jokes for the City of Heroes community.

Of course, you wouldn't be able to ACTUALLY call it the NCSoft East Coast HQ Building, since that would invite all kinds of legal action and liabilities ... but you COULD give it a Parody name that would be "Close, but WRONG™" (enough) to let you dodge liability. Stuff like:

CNHard Unlimited
McSoftware Company, East Coast HQ
No Compromises Software INC.
Needs Cash $oftware, American HQ

... and so on. Anything that makes a play on NC$oft ought to be fair game.

Owing to the fact that I figure a LOT of us would not only like to see NC$oft have their offices burned in (virtual) effigy, I'd want to set up the Event such that if you participate there are a couple of possible outcomes. One is that if you (as a PC) HELP the arsonists to burn the building (ending with a glorious "explosion" like the Steel Canyon Event did) then that would move your Law Alignment away from a respect for law and order. Likewise, if your actions in "helping the arsonists" results in injuries to either other PCs or to NPCs in the area as part of the Event, that would move your Violence Alignment towards being more ready to engage in violent acts. If, however, you fought the fires and tried to "save" the building (and the people who worked there), your Law Alignment would shift towards a respect for law and order, and the NPCs you "saved" would shift your Violence Alignment away from engaging in violent acts.

Don't take these suggestions as hard and fast RULES to obey, I'm just sketching an idea for an analog to the Steel Canyon Arson Event and speculating on what such an Event might "do" in terms of Rewards and Effects ... either if the building goes up in smoke (yay!) or if the "supers" manage to save the building (boo!).

Best part for me though would be seeing after the Event is over some "management" type NPC [b]herding[/b] all the workers back into the burned out building and yelling at them to "Get back to work!" and just being a total sweatshop slave driver to all of these employees who escaped from the building thanks to the Fire Drill procedures (which keep being needed quite often, for some reason). Even if the building has been "gutted" because it blew up, there would be the "Boss" NPC Civilian riding herd on everyone, chivvying the back inside the smoking wreck of a building and telling them all to "stop complaining" about the terrible working conditions at this company if they want to keep their jobs!

Thoughts? Comments?

In other words, make it a parody ... and have fun with it.

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If that happens, I am out of

If that happens, I am out of the game.

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Hmmm...that sounds like a bit

Hmmm...that sounds like a bit much.

I think the best way to "burn" NCS is having legions of passionate, heroes and villains logging into a stable, immersive, extremely fun & personalized wonderland called City of Titans : )

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While I agree that having a

While I agree that having a fire emergency event where supers can either help or hinder would be fun and logical, even I feel that making it just one building every time and making it a forced parody of the company that deserves no recognition ever again is a bit much.

For the record, they stole almost $200 from me in that last month when they announced the closure. I am still VERY pissed off about this, but I am getting my petty revenge in other ways. Like ignoring the fact that CoH is even owned by anyone anymore. As far as I am concerned, everything about the game is now public domain. Screw Korea.

I don't even refer to the costume creator as a CoH product anymore. To me, it is only Icon.exe.

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Voldine wrote:
Voldine wrote:

While I agree that having a fire emergency event where supers can either help or hinder would be fun and logical, even I feel that making it just one building every time and making it a forced parody of the company that deserves no recognition ever again is a bit much.
For the record, they stole almost $200 from me in that last month when they announced the closure. I am still VERY pissed off about this, but I am getting my petty revenge in other ways. Like ignoring the fact that CoH is even owned by anyone anymore. As far as I am concerned, everything about the game is now public domain. Screw Korea.
I don't even refer to the costume creator as a CoH product anymore. To me, it is only Icon.exe.

*goes off and starts distributing White Wolfs Vampire: the masquarade 2nd edition books*

What? You mean that I can no longer do that, even though it is no longer available from the retailers, and that CCP are a bunch of money grabbing bastards who were going to rip off a load of people with the $65 monocle?

Surely that must be right.

And yes, CCP own White Wolf.

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Let it go...the hate will eat

Let it go...the hate will eat you up inside.

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Gangrel wrote:
Gangrel wrote:

Voldine wrote:
While I agree that having a fire emergency event where supers can either help or hinder would be fun and logical, even I feel that making it just one building every time and making it a forced parody of the company that deserves no recognition ever again is a bit much.
For the record, they stole almost $200 from me in that last month when they announced the closure. I am still VERY pissed off about this, but I am getting my petty revenge in other ways. Like ignoring the fact that CoH is even owned by anyone anymore. As far as I am concerned, everything about the game is now public domain. Screw Korea.
I don't even refer to the costume creator as a CoH product anymore. To me, it is only Icon.exe.

*goes off and starts distributing White Wolfs Vampire: the masquarade 2nd edition books*
What? You mean that I can no longer do that, even though it is no longer available from the retailers, and that CCP are a bunch of money grabbing bastards who were going to rip off a load of people with the $65 monocle?
Surely that must be right.
And yes, CCP own White Wolf.

Actually it is not CCP who prints Vampire and such it is The onyx path and they are understuffed (it is a story much like how paragon was under NCSoft I guess)

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Catherine America wrote:
Catherine America wrote:

I think the best way to "burn" NCS is having legions of passionate, heroes and villains logging into a stable, immersive, extremely fun & personalized wonderland called City of Titans : )

"Living well is the best revenge."
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"The best revenge is massive success."
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The best way to kick NCSoft in the nards will be to make [i]City of Titans[/i] a hugely successful MMO, big enough for NCSoft to look at the money they [i]could[/i] have made from properly supporting CoH and kick themselves for being too bound up in "our way or the highway" to keep it going.

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greenstalker wrote:
greenstalker wrote:

Gangrel wrote:
Voldine wrote:
While I agree that having a fire emergency event where supers can either help or hinder would be fun and logical, even I feel that making it just one building every time and making it a forced parody of the company that deserves no recognition ever again is a bit much.
For the record, they stole almost $200 from me in that last month when they announced the closure. I am still VERY pissed off about this, but I am getting my petty revenge in other ways. Like ignoring the fact that CoH is even owned by anyone anymore. As far as I am concerned, everything about the game is now public domain. Screw Korea.
I don't even refer to the costume creator as a CoH product anymore. To me, it is only Icon.exe.

*goes off and starts distributing White Wolfs Vampire: the masquarade 2nd edition books*
What? You mean that I can no longer do that, even though it is no longer available from the retailers, and that CCP are a bunch of money grabbing bastards who were going to rip off a load of people with the $65 monocle?
Surely that must be right.
And yes, CCP own White Wolf.

Actually it is not CCP who prints Vampire and such it is The onyx path and they are understuffed (it is a story much like how paragon was under NCSoft I guess)

Ok, that is a more recent development than I was aware of (to be fair, not really followed white wolf in the past 8 or so years.... not since I lost all my old 2nd ed rule and clan books)

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1) I reject your reality.... and substitute my own
2) Not to be used when upset... will void warranty
3) Stoke me a clipper i will be back for dinner
4) I have seen more intelligence from an NPC AI in TR beta, than from most MMO players.

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Onyx Path got most of White
Gangrel wrote:

greenstalker wrote:
Gangrel wrote:
Voldine wrote:
While I agree that having a fire emergency event where supers can either help or hinder would be fun and logical, even I feel that making it just one building every time and making it a forced parody of the company that deserves no recognition ever again is a bit much.
For the record, they stole almost $200 from me in that last month when they announced the closure. I am still VERY pissed off about this, but I am getting my petty revenge in other ways. Like ignoring the fact that CoH is even owned by anyone anymore. As far as I am concerned, everything about the game is now public domain. Screw Korea.
I don't even refer to the costume creator as a CoH product anymore. To me, it is only Icon.exe.

*goes off and starts distributing White Wolfs Vampire: the masquarade 2nd edition books*
What? You mean that I can no longer do that, even though it is no longer available from the retailers, and that CCP are a bunch of money grabbing bastards who were going to rip off a load of people with the $65 monocle?
Surely that must be right.
And yes, CCP own White Wolf.

Actually it is not CCP who prints Vampire and such it is The onyx path and they are understuffed (it is a story much like how paragon was under NCSoft I guess)

Ok, that is a more recent development than I was aware of (to be fair, not really followed white wolf in the past 8 or so years.... not since I lost all my old 2nd ed rule and clan books)

Onyx Path got most of White Wolf's table top games printing rights somewhere in the 2012 and they were releasing new eiditons or anniversary editions since than (there was alot of kickstarters done by them) but like I said they are mostly understuffed and can't get work done fast enough to catch deadlines but from what I heard and see they are doing a good job to deliver better quality of products than what White Wolf was putting on.

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Um, no, we're not going to

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srmalloy wrote:
srmalloy wrote:

The best way to kick NCSoft in the nards will be to make City of Titans a hugely successful MMO, big enough for NCSoft to look at the money they could have made from properly supporting CoH and kick themselves for being too bound up in "our way or the highway" to keep it going.

... Did you notice the Kickstarter?

[b]Five thousand folks[/b] ponied up [b]two thirds of a million dollars[/b] over a month [i]on a longshot[/i] replacement for something NCSoft had [i]completed, functioning, and with over eight years of track record?[/i]

The requisite mud has already been applied to the requisite eye. Even if the worst happens and the CoT devs go Galt or Ponzi or get blown up by a meteorite or whatever and disappear tomorrow, the point has still been made in terms of the potential that NCSoft threw away. One has to wonder what criteria they [i]had[/i] for a potential buyer. (Yes, I'm assuming they had reasonable criteria and no poison-pill clauses.)

Which means that, as you point out, if CoT [i]actually ships,[/i] even with only 13 zones and 30 levels, people will for years after ask, "So just what [i]did[/i] NCSoft gain by killing CoH instead of selling it or spinning it off like EVE?"

(For the record, I think Redlynne's proposal is completely out of bounds and a complete waste of developer time.)

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