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Personally I've always just used text chat channels. Also, there are third party software options for audio chat like Teamspeak, etc. I think something like this should be a very low priority, if they try to do it at all. Also, I think it might be at total disaster to let individual players send audio out to the "general public" areas they're standing in. It might be good for the devs to be able to do that, but not everyone else.
R.S.O. of Phoenix Rising
From memory every game that I have played that has incorporated voice chat has limited it to group/raid and guild channels, and most often custom channels. Only addition I could see to that would be between mutual friends without the need to explicitly create a custom channel.
I'm with Radiac on this one. While we've used Teamspeak, Raidcall and other third party programs in the past, the voice chat of preference today is Discord because it is free to use.
And I'm with Blacke4dawn as well, because I don't want to be subjected to the vocal assault of every character I pass. When I think of all the people out there who don't use push-to-talk, I am dismayed at the amount of sneezes, dog barks, loud keyboard typing and other assorted sounds we would be subjected to.
However,
What I would like to see is the integration of the game with these voice programs so that when you join a party or a raid or a guild, it automatically creates a channel for it. And before you say that this is pie-in-the sky technology that is too much to ask for, read this: http://camelotunchained.com/v3/a-little-bit-of-discord/
[hr]I like to take your ideas and supersize them. This isn't criticism, it is flattery. I come with nothing but good will and a spirit of team-building. If you take what I write any other way, that is probably just because I wasn't very clear.
I never ever heared someone using the internal audi chat in all the game i played :) For me it's a waist of time to develop this kind of system.
But i can understand some would like to have that.
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If you don't want to use it or hear it, then guess what?
Turn it off or don't wear a headset!
Did I say that everyone should be forced to use it to play the game?
And yes, there is teamspeak and we used to use it for the supergroup chat, but would be nice to hear you lot cry personally when I kill you in a PvP zone!
Anyways....don't argue. This isn't a debate. Get it done!
Sweet Chilli
Eh, not interested in audio-chat.
And this IS a debating forum. You make a suggestion and we all debate the merits and Maybe, possibly, a Dev might see it and think 'that's cool'. Then, six months later, some Dev might chime in and say, 'We might have a solution for this'. Or not.
Be Well!
Fireheart
Last time this topic came up, I had to point out that my actual ears don't work so if people move off text chat then I can't communicate reliably with them.
One time, in STO, I joined a Teamspeak-required fleet. I couldn't get the microphone to work on my PC. So they put up with me typing.
We went on a fleet action after getting everyone on audio and all... and they proceeded to use TS to talk about [i]every other thing[/i] besides the mission.
I quit that fleet a month later.
[i]Has anyone seen my mind? It was right here...[/i]
Really?
*looks at title for forum section*
I didn't know you could spell "demands" that way.
Anyway everything considered by MWM will go through a cost-benefit evaluation, where popularity would most likely be one of the major factors, to see if it's worth implementing. Just claiming "get it done!" won't make it so, especially considering that if they give in once then they would have no valid reason to deny any further demands. Once MWM starts to give in to demands then the game will spiral downwards into crap due to egotism from players, and there will be polar opposites.
My view is that -- given the fact that MWM is a small volunteer studio -- I don't want them to spend any of their precious time developing suff that is already available in myriad forms, like voice chat or a clock. I would prefer that they concentrate on the unique elements of CoT that we can't get anywhere else.
Spurn all ye kindle.
Well if this isn't a "debate" I'll just state some facts. As Cinnder pointed out we all know there are plenty of third-party alternatives for voice chatting in games so there's no direct "need" for MWM to incorporate a version of it into CoT. This feature is squarely in the "would be nice to have for the subset of the player community who would want it" not a "must have for everyone playing this game". Unlike a FPS game this game will not be primarily based on PvP - it was generally accepted that maybe only 10-20% of the playerbase of CoX ever PvP'd on a regular basis. While I would not be adverse to having a voice chat system added to this game at some point it's far from a "launch day necessity" and could easily be added later based on its relatively low priority. I'd rather the folks of MWM concentrate on getting the core elements of this game working - being able to audibly hear people whine when you gank them in PvP is far from the most important thing we'd collectively need here.
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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@Sweetchilli, I understood your "don't argue, just do it" to be what it was meant to be, a declaration of desire and not a serious invocation to stop debate.
And don't let the poo-pooers on the forum prevent you from putting forth ideas that would make the game awesome in your opinion, especially when their argument is based upon the number of players who would want it versus the developer's effort. Because you never know when your idea might strike a chord in a developer who then takes it and runs with it, or who changes it just a little bit and makes it something we all would never live without in hindsight.
I never thought I would want a smartphone. But then I got one.
Keep the ideas coming.
[hr]I like to take your ideas and supersize them. This isn't criticism, it is flattery. I come with nothing but good will and a spirit of team-building. If you take what I write any other way, that is probably just because I wasn't very clear.
I'm not sure anyone here is outright saying voice chat is a bad idea that should never be in CoT.
But even you'll have to admit the potential to have voice chat while playing CoT is relatively unique in that there are in fact already a number of pre-existing third party alternatives that would work while playing on Day One without the need for anyone at MWM to do anything. I get that having "built-in" voice chat might be easier for the average player to use - but if you're the type that "really, really" wants voice chat you're already guaranteed to have it regardless of what MWM does. Virtually any other feature you'd want to have in CoT is going to have to be something the MWM folks would have to spend time/effort on to implement - voice chat is unique in that MWM doesn't have to spend ANY time to give it to you.
This is the main reason why I (and apparently others) are perfectly willing to say on this particular issue that we specifically don't need MWM to "take the idea and run with it" because the "idea" (i.e. your smartphone analogy) in this case already exists. MWM has enough on their plate without having to re-invent this particular wheel. I would not be upset in the least if MWM ever manages to squeeze in built-in voice into CoT but likewise it would never bother me in the least if they don't since other companies already have that covered for us.
CoH player from April 25, 2004 to November 30, 2012
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Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with mentioning ideas on this forum. It's a great way for us to have a discussion like this. As long as people don't mind polite disagreement, I'm all for folks suggesting anything they wish.
I have to say I'd argue against MWM's ever spending time on developing/integrating voice chat, no matter how big they get, because:
1) As I said above, I'd rather have them spend their time on things that are not already available.
2) Not long after they put something into CoT, it would probably be made obsolete by some other independent chat program.
Spurn all ye kindle.
I'd much rather the devs work on getting the game out and as polished as possible than work on something that is available elsewhere for free, is pretty easy to get and to use, and does the job just as good, if not better.
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I am also hearing-impaired. I've been invited to join Teamspeak groups and we did okay, that way, but they never did understand that it takes 111% concentration to parse voices without seeing faces. Which means, if they're hollering at me, I don't have enough brainpower left to react in-game. Especially if the sound is at all... blurred.
This is another reason that I prefer to play in smaller groups, where everyone knows what to expect from the others. No need to chatter about it.
Be Well!
Fireheart
Giving this some further thought integrated voice chat (the ones I have come across) only has one major advantage over third-party ones and that is that everyone has it including potential cross-platform games where third-party ones may not exist but it also has one major disadvantage and that is that you have to start the game before you can use it. With third-party ones I have the potential to inform those I've been playing with even in a complete power outage since many of them have smartphone versions.
So unless MWM is going to go completely fully cross-platform (including consoles) then there is imo not enough advantage for MWM to do it themselves.
I like how Elite Dangerous does their in game voice chat...
Yes, it has it, even though I actually have mine disabled (to not send... but at least I can still listen), because when I do group up with people who are not necessarily on my TS/Discord server, the option is at least there.
Side note: and with their incoming multicrew addon (multiple people on the same ship), for the "Pick up and play" style of gameplay, having a *built in* voice system is handy...
I like the cut of your jib, son. I might be able to find you a small role to fill in my Supergroup assisting one of my henchmen in the deaths of these tiresome bleating sheep...
In game chat is already done and developed. It's part of the Unreal 4 engine so just a ticky box ticked, 4 numbers set and it's done. I had Epic Games put it in there myself.
It's just so I can hear you lot beg for your lives when I teleport you out the hospital and hold you there powerless. Something I used to do in COH after finding the bug that allowed me to target any player on a map within range. I didn't even have to click on them...
MUHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Sweet Chilli
Really, all MWM has to do is tick a box and UE4 builds a voice chat system that incorporates perfectly with the text chat system (mainly by using its channels) and making it a seamless part of the normal UI, in looks feel and other functionalities (like keyboard shortcuts)?
Or will it at best look like a completely disjointed part that has no "integrated functionality" with the rest of the game?
Just because the core functionality is all there does not make it a trivial matter to get it fully functional and making it look and behave like a natural part of the game as a whole.
To answer your questions in order...
Yes.
No.
Sweet Chilli
I would reiterate that no matter how easy this would be to do, letting Teamspeak or Ventrillo or whatever handle it is even easier and accomplishes the same thing in so far as you want that accomplished. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. Also, I actively dislike the idea of giving every idiot a bullhorn to blather into for the local area to hear. The total cacophony that undoubtedly creates would be a disaster, even given the fact that you could mute it if you wanted to. I shouldn't have to mute it, because it shouldn't be in the game in the first place because it's a bad idea. Putting any amount of dev resources, however trivial, into a feature that negatively impacts the game overall is just stupid. It's a total mess waiting to happen. The internet, as everyone knows, is full of trolls, so yeah, let's give them all a loudspeaker so they can piss people off in stereo now, that's a good plan. I think not.
R.S.O. of Phoenix Rising
I'm afraid I have to second Radiac on this. Several Pride events in CoH had folks trolling on broadcast chat until they were gingnored/ en masse. Would hate to have to do that on 2 fronts in CoT as it was bad enough doing it for just text.
Which brings us to a second point. Mods would have to spend time to police voice chat. That's an additional expense.
Third point. Voice chat increases barrier to entry. Some potential customers really don't want to be on voice chat. (I've already had a person in my SG thread express reluctance.) Others won't try the game until they have a mic and... ooh look a new shiny... In short fewer customers.
So with respect sweetchilli, I can't make a business case for it and it's not in my SG's interest.
Well practically every single implementation of "in game voice" that I have encountered has been limited to *grouped* chat. So you wouldn't hear the chat of others that you were not grouped with.....
WoW is slightly different, but even then, it was invite only to the channels (so Guild members/Party members)....
Adding in-game voice chat would be a waste of time and resources that developers would be better off spending elsewhere. Many other third party options exist, and do it better than any game developer could.
This. The only people I usually want to listen to are my friends, and I already use other chat programs to keep in touch with them anyways. And sure, there could be occasions that I may want to communicate en masse, raids and the like, but we've always just used Ventrilo or TeamSpeak that someone in our Coalition, someone like Celestial here, paid and hosted a server for.
I've never done voice chat before. Sounds fun but let's worry about that After the game is released
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It seems that your driving force for wanting voice chat is to better enable trolling and other negative behaviors. I will not support that. I don't believe this community supports that type of behavior. I think a lot of folks are all for having voice chat but not for what you plan to use it for.
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