I'm really hoping that in the new system those old stodgy inherent powers aren't needed. If they do give us inherent powers make them something interesting to use until we get something better. Brawl...yeah...not needed, rest? Yup, also not needed.

I believe I head talk of some kind of specialization you take during character creation, not unlike the archetype inherent powers, as a way to further customize your build.

Weather we need rest or not depends on how HP and regeneration are handled. Is there going to be the same constant regeneration/recovery we got in CoH, or is it going to be little regeneration/recover while in combat and near instant regeneration/recover out of combat. If the former, a power like rest will be needed. Not to say it couldn't have a more sensible recharge time.

I'm all for a token attack, frankly I'd like 2; a brawl and a ranged equivalent. Beyond that, perhaps some way to enhance your physical attributes (like fitness). With everyone getting travel powers at level 1, there is really no need for sprint.

Hi Winx, Glitter would be an Aura you can add to your character, They will probably have Free To Play, and definitely Wings!
However, Not all or even any of these may be available when the game launches, we might have to wait a little bit longer.

Stay tuned...

Ellysyn wrote:

^^;; drank them like water. Never had enough on me.

(*whispers*) That was Enriche you were drinking. Just saying ...!

*chortles fiendishly and rubs her forepaws together*

For my Rest power, I want to summon a Hammock and Umbrella, so I can rock away my cares in the shade.

Be Well!
Fireheart

Lately I've been playing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing. As you play there are a number of Perks that become available at a rate far faster than they can be selected. This gives huge variety of "Inherent abilities" without all of them being either free or pay to win. Any one of them gives appreciable advantage without being too powerful. Some perks are benign in game play but have very nice features like giving you a larger stash so you don't have to "sell" as frequently. Others give you buffs or enhance some abilities of your minion (Lady Katrina), in turn helping you. I think at level 20 you have like ten or fifteen perks available to choose from but have only been able to select like three or four perks of your preference.

My thoughts are that this would be a nice way to allow players to select a particular type of inherent power over another without having them all free or having them so nerfed that they are worthless. Valuable customizations available to all but a limited number that may be chosen. This adds nice enhancements to the character or play style without breaking game play balance.

If someone preferred brawling to sprinting they could take that perk, etc. As you gain levels more perks become available to select from but only every so many levels. For example, you may see new perks available every two or three levels but may only select one at intervals of say every seven or ten levels.

This would work for including some Fitness abilities too without forcing them onto players that didn't really want/like them. (Though I personally found at least most of the fitness set invaluable for most of my characters, especially Stamina.)

RickmanUK wrote:

Consider having a Pool of say 12-16 "Inherent Traits" that can be used to Frame how the Character operates, ...They could be anything, but they would be needed to be Blocked off based upon Origin or the like.

I agree that the Inherent Powers ought to be expanded in this new game to a Pool of at least 10-20 choices. This would allow people to customize which ones they wanted so they wouldn't be forced into always having the same ones. It could be made so people could chose like say any 4 or 5 from that overall list at character creation and they could be respec-able if desired.

This pool could include the original standard ones (like Brawl, Sprint and Rest) as well as many adapted from the dozens of Temporary (see http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Temporary_Powers) and Origin powers (see http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Origin_Powers) that existed in CoH. I think many of those could serve the purpose of generic/minor filler powers that characters can use until they fill out their attack chains.

Also I don't think any of these powers should be limited by anything like Origins or the like in this new game. Maybe I want a tech-based character who happens to have a minor magical power for some reason or vice-versa - who says my magic-users couldn't use a Taser if they got desperate enough? ;)

RickmanUK wrote:

How about giving us a Pool of Inherents to pick from that also add into the Story of the game/missions.
Consider having a Pool of say 12-16 "Inherent Traits" that can be used to Frame how the Character operates, Say Rational that makes you less likly to Believe in the Mystical answers (If your of a Tech background Say) and provide a Small bonus to Say Damage against that type of enemies (Mystical).
Or Say Loony, that makes certain totally insane Action appear normal to you, and Randomaly provides a Different Bonus every mission you do.
Maybe even, Athletic, In Chases or Pursuits (If there are any) you start out closer to the Target, It also provide a Small bonus to "Stamina" or "Stamina Regen" (Or maybe even a slight Base speed upgrade)
They could be anything, but they would be needed to be Blocked off based upon Origin or the like.

This gives me a bit of an idea.

Much like how CO did it, what if you had a large selection of inherit powers at the character creation screen. In other words, you select your primary and secondary powersets, your role and your costume, but then you choose your training.

Training could be a large list of Inherit powers that you can choose some number of (for example, 4). These would direct your playstyle towards how you wanted your character to operate. At any point in the game you can spend in game currency to re-train your character in the event you do not like the direction your character was headed.

A small problem i found with CoH was it had it's archetypes layed out in a way that some were reliant on teams and some were not (then you get the PB's and WS's that are just flat out wildcards). I always had trouble playing a controller but never a dominator, due to the fact that controllers had a secondary powerset that focused on buffing allies, and i happen to play solo or in small teams.

In CoT i imagine there not to be a controller and a dominator, however i imagine that you could play either one as a manipulator (i think the term was). With the training concept in the game, you could really tailor your character to how you wanted to play. Either spec your training into stronger buffs or lower cooldown time, or go to a solo type deal and focus on your own survivability.

If i wanted to be a defender in city of heroes, the first 20 levels for me would be more or less a struggle. If my character's background happened to be survival training, accuracy, evasive maneuvers and damage absorption training then i wouldn't be a team player defender anymore, just as i want.

These training specs would be very weak, just enough for the character to switch gears. maybe 20 more health at level 1 (assuming the squishy class would have 90 health as default at level 1). The accuracy buff would be just enough to make certain 'vital' powers hit just a little more often, the defensive training would give a 2-3% chance to dodge an attack and the damage absorption would maybe give a 5% damage reduction after you receive a few hits. Very small amounts that change the way a character is played. The amounts would not be big enough to make a defender into a tank or a tank into a blaster. but it would permit the use of any powerset without worrying about the suitability of the character in teams or in solo play.

EDIT: These would not be upgradable like the player's powersets.
The best part of it is if it was implemented, everyone would have these inherit traits that they chose, so it wouldn't be just another buff to add on, instead it would require a form of planning. Choosing more damage, better accuracy, higher critical hits, and increased critical hit chance, this would mean that you did not get the bonuses that some one else may have chose, such as buff strength, heal magnitude, damage reduction, dodge chance, debuff strength... the list goes on. Speccing into one set of training would take away from another, reducing the chance for universalization while increasing variety and customization.

Redlynne wrote:

syntaxerror37 wrote:
I'm all for a token attack, frankly I'd like 2; a brawl and a ranged equivalent.
Actually, everyone in the game got Brawl (token melee) and an Origin Power (token ranged). The only problem was that neither of these powers scaled all that adequately into the later game, and your Origin Power flat out couldn't be enhanced at all, making it quite gimptacular beyond Beginner's Luck.

Yeah, I know. I was just saying I'd like it again.

I always thought there ought to be a Druid equivalent to the Magic Missile spell, called Tragic Thistle.