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I'm a huge x-men fan, I even have an x-men tattoo on my wrist!

Was wondering if anyone is a fan of the X-Men as much as I am? What did you think of Apocalypse? Are you excited for Dark Phoenix next year or do you think its gonna be ruined?

BTW Storm is my favorite X-Man.

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I was a Jim Lee era of X-Men

I was a Jim Lee era of X-Men fan. After the subsequent popularity explosion of X-titles, I became less of a fan because it was too much to keep up with. I think the last X-series I seriously followed after the X-Man run of comics was Cable And Deadpool.

As for Apocalypse, I enjoyed him as a character in the comics, not so much in the movie. I think if they had kept him closer in appearance to the comic version and not so much like Ivan Ooze, it might have appealed to more people, especially the hardcore fans. And they couldn't screw up Dark Phoenix anymore than the last time they had her on the big screen, so there's at least some semblance of hope.

Favorite? Anything Cable-related, honestly. I just like banded metal arm(s) and psychic powers with a star-burst eye. I did like Gambit when Chris Claremont introduced him during the child-Storm run of X-Men in the eighties with the introduction of the Nightmare King, but less so when he was Death for the aforementioned Apocalypse. I also kinda got big into Juggernaut after playing some Marvel Heroes a few years ago. The character is capable of so much more and they just relegate him to being a stupid punch-factory, unfortunately.

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I was a Jim Lee era of X-Men fan. After the subsequent popularity explosion of X-titles, I became less of a fan because it was too much to keep up with. I think the last X-series I seriously followed after the X-Man run of comics was Cable And Deadpool.
As for Apocalypse, I enjoyed him as a character in the comics, not so much in the movie. I think if they had kept him closer in appearance to the comic version and not so much like Ivan Ooze, it might have appealed to more people, especially the hardcore fans. And they couldn't screw up Dark Phoenix anymore than the last time they had her on the big screen, so there's at least some semblance of hope.
Favorite? Anything Cable-related, honestly. I just like banded metal arm(s) and psychic powers with a star-burst eye. I did like Gambit when Chris Claremont introduced him during the child-Storm run of X-Men in the eighties with the introduction of the Nightmare King, but less so when he was Death for the aforementioned Apocalypse. I also kinda got big into Juggernaut after playing some Marvel Heroes a few years ago. The character is capable of so much more and they just relegate him to being a stupid punch-factory, unfortunately.

So cool! You must be looking forward to Cable in Deadpool 2 which is also coming out next year. I really enjoyed Deadpool so I feel like they will do Cable justice.

I agree about Apocalypse, I actually hated the movie. They keep taking themselves too serious and end up clogging the movie with dramatic scenes that don't do anything for me anymore. You're right about the Dark Phoenix lol, they cant make it any worse. Maybe they will learn from their mistakes this time.

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Question should be who isn't

Question should be who isn't an X-Man fan. Wolverine is my favorite although I hate almost all of his movies.

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Question should be who isn't an X-Man fan. Wolverine is my favorite although I hate almost all of his movies.

Well, maybe in here everyone is an x-men fan lol true. IRL it seems like no one is... :/

Wolverine is cool. I enjoyed the Logan movie, I think that was a great way to send him off.

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Haven't seen that one yet.

Haven't seen that one yet.

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So cool! You must be looking forward to Cable in Deadpool 2 which is also coming out next year. I really enjoyed Deadpool so I feel like they will do Cable justice.

Deadpool is fairly easy to pull off, and he's up against, and this is no offense to the baddos in the movie, but they're lower-tier power-wise. So when they bring someone in like Cable, I feel that they'll need to step up their game, which may detract from that 'merc-with-a-mouth' style. I also never played any of the Deadpool game(s?), but I did have a funny scene pointed out to me that involved Cable and ended with Deadpool shooting himself in the head to end the super boring conversation. The reason I bring that up is because I prefer them not to make references to other "source material" ("I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" comes to mind) because it's cringe-worthy and low-brow. Maybe I'd feel differently about it if I had played the game but I haven't honestly touched a video game console other than to play movies in probably close to a decade.

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I agree about Apocalypse, I actually hated the movie. They keep taking themselves too serious and end up clogging the movie with dramatic scenes that don't do anything for me anymore. You're right about the Dark Phoenix lol, they cant make it any worse. Maybe they will learn from their mistakes this time.

I'm not sure they can. One of the things that Marvel managed to do right is tie their content together in the MCU, which highly encourages people to see the next movie, even if it doesn't include characters that they might not otherwise be interested in seeing. That's pretty much why I saw Dr. Strange. I don't even like Dr. Strange but I was interested in seeing how they'll push the over-arching Infinity Gauntlet storyarc with Thanos and co. That being said, Marvel has a large cast of characters in which to spin this story, where Sony or Fox or whomever, does not. Even Deadpool made a point to draw attention to that fact with the comment about how empty the mansion was and it's like they couldn't afford to pay to have more characters in the movie. Eventually, they, like with Spider-Man finally being in the MCU, will capitulate, return or sell the IP license back Marvel/Disney, and made a goddamn good movie that's no longer WOLVERINE... And Oh Yeah, Those Other Characters Who Are Also Mutants.

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I love the X-Men.

I love the X-Men.

Gambit and Jubilee are my favorites and I also ship them :p Though there are obviously others I like in the X-Men. One just got announced for the New Mutant movie.

I don't always like what they do to the X-Men. I think they screwed over Cyclops. I loved Cyclops with Emma and I love that Emma was now a X-Man!

Did not like Apocalypse in the movie. I blame FOX first and the writing second. For some reason, FOX doesn't seem to pull off the cgi/super powers as well as MCU. The movie also needed work.

I liked Logan, thought the ending sucked. In fact, I'd call it a cop out ending. :p Never should have killed him off. Also, had some complaints about the movie. It felt to forced into the R rating. Deadpool did it just fine without feeling like it was forced (and it was :p) but Logan? Gah. Prof X swearing felt off. Wolverine in the beginning swearing mother f***** as he tore into those guys felt like he was forcing it out his mouth. The boob shot in the beginning felt like more "We're R rating! Let's just go all out!"

Seriously. I'm saddened by the fact that FOX will likely take all this to mean, "Let's just swear to swear and show tits to show tits." I'm not saying this is bad for all movies. I'm saying it felt out of place for an X-Man movie, some of the times. Wolverine beating up the truck and swearing, felt right. Body parts flying and blood spewing? That felt right too!

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Brand X wrote:
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I love the X-Men.
Gambit and Jubilee are my favorites and I also ship them :p Though there are obviously others I like in the X-Men. One just got announced for the New Mutant movie.
I don't always like what they do to the X-Men. I think they screwed over Cyclops. I loved Cyclops with Emma and I love that Emma was now a X-Man!
Did not like Apocalypse in the movie. I blame FOX first and the writing second. For some reason, FOX doesn't seem to pull off the cgi/super powers as well as MCU. The movie also needed work.
I liked Logan, thought the ending sucked. In fact, I'd call it a cop out ending. :p Never should have killed him off. Also, had some complaints about the movie. It felt to forced into the R rating. Deadpool did it just fine without feeling like it was forced (and it was :p) but Logan? Gah. Prof X swearing felt off. Wolverine in the beginning swearing mother f***** as he tore into those guys felt like he was forcing it out his mouth. The boob shot in the beginning felt like more "We're R rating! Let's just go all out!"
Seriously. I'm saddened by the fact that FOX will likely take all this to mean, "Let's just swear to swear and show tits to show tits." I'm not saying this is bad for all movies. I'm saying it felt out of place for an X-Man movie, some of the times. Wolverine beating up the truck and swearing, felt right. Body parts flying and blood spewing? That felt right too!

I don't know about gambilee? Jubambit? Doesn't work lol. Ive never heard of them being together and frankly, the relationship Gambit and Rogue have had, ever since I can remember will always be number one to me. They just fit perfectly.

Interesting points about Logan. I recently watched Deadpool and you're right. The swearing kinda just belonged there. In Logan, it was a bit forced. It is still a huge change from Wolverine Origins, and I'm glad Hugh Jackman got his last movie the way he wanted it.

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Big X-Men fan - collected the

Big X-Men fan - collected the comics for a while in the 90's, until the near-constant crossover events convinced me to quit.

Regarding the movies, there have been some okay ones, but there have been some real stinkers in there. I like the fact that they effectively rebooted the franchise with Days of Future Past, but then Apocalypse wasn't great, and I admit I rolled my eyes when I heard that they are eyeing the Dark Phoenix storyline for the next movie. At least give the new kids a chance to have a movie by themselves before you attempt that story.

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Big X-Men fan - collected the comics for a while in the 90's, until the near-constant crossover events convinced me to quit.
Regarding the movies, there have been some okay ones, but there have been some real stinkers in there. I like the fact that they effectively rebooted the franchise with Days of Future Past, but then Apocalypse wasn't great, and I admit I rolled my eyes when I heard that they are eyeing the Dark Phoenix storyline for the next movie. At least give the new kids a chance to have a movie by themselves before you attempt that story.

I loved DOFP. I don't know how they pulled it off, but even with all those mutants, it still worked great. Of course the success went to their heads and they churned out a crappy movie (Apocalypse) which did horribly domestically, so I'm hoping that the experience humbled them and they know that Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, and the next movies need to be at Deadpool level at the very least.

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I love the X-Men.
Gambit and Jubilee are my favorites and I also ship them :p Though there are obviously others I like in the X-Men. One just got announced for the New Mutant movie.
I don't always like what they do to the X-Men. I think they screwed over Cyclops. I loved Cyclops with Emma and I love that Emma was now a X-Man!
Did not like Apocalypse in the movie. I blame FOX first and the writing second. For some reason, FOX doesn't seem to pull off the cgi/super powers as well as MCU. The movie also needed work.
I liked Logan, thought the ending sucked. In fact, I'd call it a cop out ending. :p Never should have killed him off. Also, had some complaints about the movie. It felt to forced into the R rating. Deadpool did it just fine without feeling like it was forced (and it was :p) but Logan? Gah. Prof X swearing felt off. Wolverine in the beginning swearing mother f***** as he tore into those guys felt like he was forcing it out his mouth. The boob shot in the beginning felt like more "We're R rating! Let's just go all out!"
Seriously. I'm saddened by the fact that FOX will likely take all this to mean, "Let's just swear to swear and show tits to show tits." I'm not saying this is bad for all movies. I'm saying it felt out of place for an X-Man movie, some of the times. Wolverine beating up the truck and swearing, felt right. Body parts flying and blood spewing? That felt right too!
I don't know about gambilee? Jubambit? Doesn't work lol. Ive never heard of them being together and frankly, the relationship Gambit and Rogue have had, ever since I can remember will always be number one to me. They just fit perfectly.
Interesting points about Logan. I recently watched Deadpool and you're right. The swearing kinda just belonged there. In Logan, it was a bit forced. It is still a huge change from Wolverine Origins, and I'm glad Hugh Jackman got his last movie the way he wanted it.

JuRe! Jubilee and Remy! The jury is in on JuRe and they're an explosive combination! :)

The only reason it's not seen as awesome, is because it hasn't happened in the comics :(

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Brand X wrote:
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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
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I love the X-Men.
Gambit and Jubilee are my favorites and I also ship them :p Though there are obviously others I like in the X-Men. One just got announced for the New Mutant movie.
I don't always like what they do to the X-Men. I think they screwed over Cyclops. I loved Cyclops with Emma and I love that Emma was now a X-Man!
Did not like Apocalypse in the movie. I blame FOX first and the writing second. For some reason, FOX doesn't seem to pull off the cgi/super powers as well as MCU. The movie also needed work.
I liked Logan, thought the ending sucked. In fact, I'd call it a cop out ending. :p Never should have killed him off. Also, had some complaints about the movie. It felt to forced into the R rating. Deadpool did it just fine without feeling like it was forced (and it was :p) but Logan? Gah. Prof X swearing felt off. Wolverine in the beginning swearing mother f***** as he tore into those guys felt like he was forcing it out his mouth. The boob shot in the beginning felt like more "We're R rating! Let's just go all out!"
Seriously. I'm saddened by the fact that FOX will likely take all this to mean, "Let's just swear to swear and show tits to show tits." I'm not saying this is bad for all movies. I'm saying it felt out of place for an X-Man movie, some of the times. Wolverine beating up the truck and swearing, felt right. Body parts flying and blood spewing? That felt right too!
I don't know about gambilee? Jubambit? Doesn't work lol. Ive never heard of them being together and frankly, the relationship Gambit and Rogue have had, ever since I can remember will always be number one to me. They just fit perfectly.
Interesting points about Logan. I recently watched Deadpool and you're right. The swearing kinda just belonged there. In Logan, it was a bit forced. It is still a huge change from Wolverine Origins, and I'm glad Hugh Jackman got his last movie the way he wanted it.
JuRe! Jubilee and Remy! The jury is in on JuRe and they're an explosive combination! :)
The only reason it's not seen as awesome, is because it hasn't happened in the comics :(

I can only recall Jubilee and Gambit specifically teaming-up during Extinction Agenda, and yes, it was quite explosive but certainly short-lived. As in, six panels short and nothing romantic. As for them getting together, I can really only see that happening since they effectively removed the Wolverine/Jubilee angle. I hadn't even heard that there was going to be a New Mutants movie until literally just now, but that sort of makes sense since they're introducing Cable in Deadpool 2. Makes me wonder how longer they'll stick with New Mutants before they switch to X-Force (maybe New Mutants 2: X-Force?).

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Cobalt Azurean wrote:
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Brand X wrote:
Wolfgang8565 wrote:
Brand X wrote:
I love the X-Men.
Gambit and Jubilee are my favorites and I also ship them :p Though there are obviously others I like in the X-Men. One just got announced for the New Mutant movie.

I don't always like what they do to the X-Men. I think they screwed over Cyclops. I loved Cyclops with Emma and I love that Emma was now a X-Man!
Did not like Apocalypse in the movie. I blame FOX first and the writing second. For some reason, FOX doesn't seem to pull off the cgi/super powers as well as MCU. The movie also needed work.
I liked Logan, thought the ending sucked. In fact, I'd call it a cop out ending. :p Never should have killed him off. Also, had some complaints about the movie. It felt to forced into the R rating. Deadpool did it just fine without feeling like it was forced (and it was :p) but Logan? Gah. Prof X swearing felt off. Wolverine in the beginning swearing mother f***** as he tore into those guys felt like he was forcing it out his mouth. The boob shot in the beginning felt like more "We're R rating! Let's just go all out!"
Seriously. I'm saddened by the fact that FOX will likely take all this to mean, "Let's just swear to swear and show tits to show tits." I'm not saying this is bad for all movies. I'm saying it felt out of place for an X-Man movie, some of the times. Wolverine beating up the truck and swearing, felt right. Body parts flying and blood spewing? That felt right too!
I don't know about gambilee? Jubambit? Doesn't work lol. Ive never heard of them being together and frankly, the relationship Gambit and Rogue have had, ever since I can remember will always be number one to me. They just fit perfectly.
Interesting points about Logan. I recently watched Deadpool and you're right. The swearing kinda just belonged there. In Logan, it was a bit forced. It is still a huge change from Wolverine Origins, and I'm glad Hugh Jackman got his last movie the way he wanted it.
JuRe! Jubilee and Remy! The jury is in on JuRe and they're an explosive combination! :)
The only reason it's not seen as awesome, is because it hasn't happened in the comics :(
I can only recall Jubilee and Gambit specifically teaming-up during Extinction Agenda, and yes, it was quite explosive but certainly short-lived. As in, six panels short and nothing romantic. As for them getting together, I can really only see that happening since they effectively removed the Wolverine/Jubilee angle. I hadn't even heard that there was going to be a New Mutants movie until literally just now, but that sort of makes sense since they're introducing Cable in Deadpool 2. Makes me wonder how longer they'll stick with New Mutants before they switch to X-Force (maybe New Mutants 2: X-Force?).

As much of an x-men fan that I am, I never heard about new mutants up until recently when the security guard at my job noticed my X-men tattoo and we started having a convo. He's a huge fan of New Mutants and let me borrow some of the graphic novels he has. I really like Magik and I am glad they are going to include her in the movie next year. I am a little nervous to see if they depower her in the movies, since she is an extremely powerful mutant/sorceress in the comics but...here's to hoping!

Also, the actress they chose to portray Magik was spot on.

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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
Brand X wrote:
I love the X-Men.
Gambit and Jubilee are my favorites and I also ship them :p Though there are obviously others I like in the X-Men. One just got announced for the New Mutant movie.
I don't always like what they do to the X-Men. I think they screwed over Cyclops. I loved Cyclops with Emma and I love that Emma was now a X-Man!
Did not like Apocalypse in the movie. I blame FOX first and the writing second. For some reason, FOX doesn't seem to pull off the cgi/super powers as well as MCU. The movie also needed work.
I liked Logan, thought the ending sucked. In fact, I'd call it a cop out ending. :p Never should have killed him off. Also, had some complaints about the movie. It felt to forced into the R rating. Deadpool did it just fine without feeling like it was forced (and it was :p) but Logan? Gah. Prof X swearing felt off. Wolverine in the beginning swearing mother f***** as he tore into those guys felt like he was forcing it out his mouth. The boob shot in the beginning felt like more "We're R rating! Let's just go all out!"
Seriously. I'm saddened by the fact that FOX will likely take all this to mean, "Let's just swear to swear and show tits to show tits." I'm not saying this is bad for all movies. I'm saying it felt out of place for an X-Man movie, some of the times. Wolverine beating up the truck and swearing, felt right. Body parts flying and blood spewing? That felt right too!
I don't know about gambilee? Jubambit? Doesn't work lol. Ive never heard of them being together and frankly, the relationship Gambit and Rogue have had, ever since I can remember will always be number one to me. They just fit perfectly.
Interesting points about Logan. I recently watched Deadpool and you're right. The swearing kinda just belonged there. In Logan, it was a bit forced. It is still a huge change from Wolverine Origins, and I'm glad Hugh Jackman got his last movie the way he wanted it.
JuRe! Jubilee and Remy! The jury is in on JuRe and they're an explosive combination! :)
The only reason it's not seen as awesome, is because it hasn't happened in the comics :(
I can only recall Jubilee and Gambit specifically teaming-up during Extinction Agenda, and yes, it was quite explosive but certainly short-lived. As in, six panels short and nothing romantic. As for them getting together, I can really only see that happening since they effectively removed the Wolverine/Jubilee angle. I hadn't even heard that there was going to be a New Mutants movie until literally just now, but that sort of makes sense since they're introducing Cable in Deadpool 2. Makes me wonder how longer they'll stick with New Mutants before they switch to X-Force (maybe New Mutants 2: X-Force?).
As much of an x-men fan that I am, I never heard about new mutants up until recently when the security guard at my job noticed my X-men tattoo and we started having a convo. He's a huge fan of New Mutants and let me borrow some of the graphic novels he has. I really like Magik and I am glad they are going to include her in the movie next year. I am a little nervous to see if they depower her in the movies, since she is an extremely powerful mutant/sorceress in the comics but...here's to hoping!
Also, the actress they chose to portray Magik was spot on.

Yyyeeeaaahhh, she starts off as basically a TPer with a fancy magickal sword. She doesn't go half-demon Queen of Limbo crazy until quite a bit later, what with the horns and hooves and all, after she loses most of her soul. That makes a sort of sense, since they've already introduced Colossus in the Deadpool movie, and he's her brother. If they're going to do Dark Phoenix, that makes me question if they'll do it differently with the Phoenix Five storyarc, since they're introducing the New Mutants and Magik. Things that make you go, "Hmmm..."

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So apparently Magneto and

So apparently Magneto and Mystique (Fassbender and Lawrence) are returning for the next X-men movie Dark Phoenix...

I would just like to say, im already losing hope on this movie. Its like Fox is not confident enough to make a good X-Men movie that they have to bring in A list actors in hopes they will bring in more fans. Why would Magneto or Mystique even need to be in the Dark Phoenix movie?

Its just annoying, I don't want to see Magneto play good guy turned bad guy turned good guy one more time and I could do without jlaws unenthusiastic performance. Shes obviously so over playing this character, shes just doing it for the money.

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I don't know if I'd consider

I don't know if I'd consider Fassbender an A List actor. He also made a better Magneto than McKellan.

As to the reason they would need to be in a Dark Phoenix movie? This isn't the comics. This is another universe entirely. I like that, as I like Jennifer's Mystique as a hero :) Though, you're right, enough with the bad guy good guy bad guy good guy Magneto :p

Also, don't all actors do the job for the money? However, yes, I hope she does get a little more enthused with the role, however, for all we know, she was less than enthused because of the movie itself. It needed work.

My real question is, after Logan, I think they screwed over the whole X-Men movie verse.

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I don't know if I'd consider Fassbender an A List actor. He also made a better Magneto than McKellan.
As to the reason they would need to be in a Dark Phoenix movie? This isn't the comics. This is another universe entirely. I like that, as I like Jennifer's Mystique as a hero :) Though, you're right, enough with the bad guy good guy bad guy good guy Magneto :p
Also, don't all actors do the job for the money? However, yes, I hope she does get a little more enthused with the role, however, for all we know, she was less than enthused because of the movie itself. It needed work.
My real question is, after Logan, I think they screwed over the whole X-Men movie verse.

Fassbender is pretty close to Alist especially after doing Assassins Creed and the X-Men movies. He is definitely better than McKellan but Magneto was just one of the many villains that the X-Men encountered and I think he has outlasted his welcome. As for jlaw, yeah all actors do it for the money, and she possibly wasn't inspired with the script in Apocalypse, but then why come back?

I would hope after Logan, they could do one more movie with the original cast i.e Halle Berry, Famke Jansen, dude who played Cyclops. Since Logan took place in 2029, and DOFP took place in the current time, they have a good 10 years where they can bring them back for one last movie, before Logan where they

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all died...

Maybe even take advantage of the Deadpool craze and have him make a cameo in that movie

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I don't know if I'd consider Fassbender an A List actor. He also made a better Magneto than McKellan.
As to the reason they would need to be in a Dark Phoenix movie? This isn't the comics. This is another universe entirely. I like that, as I like Jennifer's Mystique as a hero :) Though, you're right, enough with the bad guy good guy bad guy good guy Magneto :p
Also, don't all actors do the job for the money? However, yes, I hope she does get a little more enthused with the role, however, for all we know, she was less than enthused because of the movie itself. It needed work.
My real question is, after Logan, I think they screwed over the whole X-Men movie verse.
Fassbender is pretty close to Alist especially after doing Assassins Creed and the X-Men movies. He is definitely better than McKellan but Magneto was just one of the many villains that the X-Men encountered and I think he has outlasted his welcome. As for jlaw, yeah all actors do it for the money, and she possibly wasn't inspired with the script in Apocalypse, but then why come back?
I would hope after Logan, they could do one more movie with the original cast i.e Halle Berry, Famke Jansen, dude who played Cyclops. Since Logan took place in 2029, and DOFP took place in the current time, they have a good 10 years where they can bring them back for one last movie, before Logan where they
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all died...
Maybe even take advantage of the Deadpool craze and have him make a cameo in that movie

Them all dying ruins the movies.

Really, they screwed up with Logan. They want to connect them all, have their own X-Men Extended Movie Universe, beyond just X-Men sequels, but they messed it all up :p

As for why to come back, to end on a high note.

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I grew up in the 80s when the

I grew up in the 80s when the X-books X-ploded from a single team title into like half the Marvel comic books and you had to read like all of them to understand the ongoing story. It felt like a grab for more cash on the part of Marvel to me, not just in terms of the stories all being inter-related, but also because they printed a new X-Men title with 5 different covers for issue 1, but it was the same story inside. The X-Men were the poster children of the "It's collectible! It'll put your kids through college some day! So buy like TEN copies right now!!!" lies perpetrated by the comicbook manufacturers and sellers.

To this day X-Men comics, characters, movies, etc remind me of all that. It's also a cheap cop-out, to me, to come up with a single source of superpowers that can explain away everyone's powers like that. They don't have to write an origin story for every new character, so it saves money and time and you can just skip the "wait, how does this person have the ability to turn into living ice and freeze stuff and shoot ice out oft heir bare hands?" in a way that takes away every compelling character's best story, the origin story.

As for the movies, I like the Marvel Netflix and the MCU movies that are not X-Men way better than the X-movies so far. To be honest though, I haven't seen Legion or the most recent Wolverine movie, which I hear good things about.

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I grew up in the 80s when the X-books X-ploded from a single team title into like half the Marvel comic books and you had to read like all of them to understand the ongoing story. It felt like a grab for more cash on the part of Marvel to me, not just in terms of the stories all being inter-related, but also because they printed a new X-Men title with 5 different covers for issue 1, but it was the same story inside. The X-Men were the poster children of the "It's collectible! It'll put your kids through college some day! So buy like TEN copies right now!!!" lies perpetrated by the comicbook manufacturers and sellers.
To this day X-Men comics, characters, movies, etc remind me of all that. It's also a cheap cop-out, to me, to come up with a single source of superpowers that can explain away everyone's powers like that. They don't have to write an origin story for every new character, so it saves money and time and you can just skip the "wait, how does this person have the ability to turn into living ice and freeze stuff and shoot ice out oft heir bare hands?" in a way that takes away every compelling character's best story, the origin story.
As for the movies, I like the Marvel Netflix and the MCU movies that are not X-Men way better than the X-movies so far. To be honest though, I haven't seen Legion or the most recent Wolverine movie, which I hear good things about.

I'm sorry but im going to have to disagree with your statements here. Mutation is a great explanation for their powers which I believe is completely valid. Not to mention, the fact that they are all an evolved form of humans due to a mutation is much more interesting and believable than, "oops he fell into a radioactive puddle", or "he got bit by a spider"

...really? come on.

There is actual proof of evolution in our genes in the real world so why would the idea that humans evolved into a mutated form that gave them abilities be so farfetched? And the fact that their abilities manifest during puberty goes along perfectly with how humans change when they reach that age.

Whats interesting is that you seem to write off that all the x-men characters don't even have an origin story. Where they come from and how they came to be what they are has nothing to do with how they got their powers(mutation). Their powers are a part of their origin story because trust me they all have one. From being raised by African priestesses and being worshipped as a goddess (Storm) to having been scientifically engineered as a weapon by painfully going through a procedure where your bones are laced with the hardest metal on earth (Wolverine)...There are so many interesting origin stories within the X-Men and outside of the team, and they are much more believable than whats currently out there with other superheroes.

I think you should read more about the x-men before you write them off as some bad memory of comic book sales, and with statements that they have no origin story...because to me, they have some of the best.

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I never meant to imply that I

I never meant to imply that I don't buy mutation as a source of abilities on the basis of realism, I only meant that using it for a very large number of your characters and leaving it at that takes away the origin story from the individual character and to me cheapens the character itself by making them all the same in that sense. To me, for the characters that have them, the origin story is like the BEST story. It's the defining story that tells you, the reader, what the main character is all about, how they got this way, and what their motivations are. Radioactive spider or no radioactive spider, we get to read about how Spidey learned that with great power must come great responsibility IF AND ONLY IF that story ever get's written for us to read in the first place, and for many mutants, there's no reason to bother. It makes him (Spidey) way more compelling as a protagonist than say, Iceman, whose origin story I never read, if they ever published it. Say what you want about radioactive spiders, gamma bomb accidents, etc, even if they were far-fetched deus ex machina plot devices, at least they were devices used in stories we actually got to read.

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Case in point, Wolverine, who

Case in point, Wolverine, who was one of the X-Men whose origin we actually got to read about in LONG detail, is one of the most beloved and iconic of them all, I think for that reason. At first he was just a short, Canadian guy in a yellow and blue costume with claws on a team. Being able to say "Because mutant" as a response to the how and why questions that superherodom raises allowed Marvel writers to just write for the here and now and have them fighting badguys because the badguys are bad and the bood guys are good.

I don't HATE the X-Men, but I was never as fond of them as I was of the other, non-mutant characters, and I think this is the reason, looking back.

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I never meant to imply that I don't buy mutation as a source of abilities on the basis of realism, I only meant that using it for a very large number of your characters and leaving it at that takes away the origin story from the individual character and to me cheapens the character itself by making them all the same in that sense. To me, for the characters that have them, the origin story is like the BEST story. It's the defining story that tells you, the reader, what the main character is all about, how they got this way, and what their motivations are. Radioactive spider or no radioactive spider, we get to read about how Spidey learned that with great power must come great responsibility IF AND ONLY IF that story ever get's written for us to read in the first place, and for many mutants, there's no reason to bother. It makes him (Spidey) way more compelling as a protagonist than say, Iceman, whose origin story I never read, if they ever published it. Say what you want about radioactive spiders, gamma bomb accidents, etc, even if they were far-fetched deus ex machina plot devices, at least they were devices used in stories we actually got to read.

What you are defining here as their origin is a one panel page in a comic book of how they actually got their power. Why is that so important? The spider bite doesn't make spiderman as you stated yourself, its about learning with great power comes great responsibility. Well, all the mutants that have existed in the Marvel universe have also had a story to tell after they discovered their abilities. Obviously depending on how much they were used or how popular they were. Your hang up is you want every mutant to have gotten their powers in a unique way, well all the "unique" ways have been taken. I don't want a cookie cutter superhero story like you seem to enjoy. And if you don't know their origin story, maybe take the effort to read about it.

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If they ever bothered to

If they ever bothered to write origin stories for half of the mutants characters in the X-book, I never read them because at the time the character was introduced to me, the answer to "why is the person superpowered and what motivates them?" got the immediate response of "Because mutant." and was left at that. Then later they filled in those origins for the more popular characters as needed, or so it seems to me.

Anyway, all I'm saying is the characters with unique individual origins were more compelling, to me. Your mileage may vary. Read what you like.

All that said, personally, I like the Marvel Netflix shows and MCU Avengers movies more than the Sony X-movies, at least the ones I've seen. Note, by the way, that all 4 of the Netflix shows did the origin stories in their first seasons.

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If they ever bothered to write origin stories for half of the mutants characters in the X-book, I never read them because at the time the character was introduced to me, the answer to "why is the person superpowered and what motivates them?" got the immediate response of "Because mutant." and was left at that. Then later they filled in those origins for the more popular characters as needed, or so it seems to me.
Anyway, all I'm saying is the characters with unique individual origins were more compelling, to me. Your mileage may vary. Read what you like.
All that said, personally, I like the Marvel Netflix shows and MCU Avengers movies more than the Sony X-movies, at least the ones I've seen. Note, by the way, that all 4 of the Netflix shows did the origin stories in their first seasons.

I believe all of their motivations were clearly expressed throughout the years. And yes, maybe Marvel is doing something better with their characters in terms of film compared to (20th Century Fox)* Xmen movies, but that is not what we have been discussing here. And I am glad Netflix has the budget and time and freedom to allow us to understand each character's origin stories which btw they don't discuss how they got their powers either just what they did with them and what they went through afterwards, which is what Marvel has done in the comics btw and in subsequent series for other characters.

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While they've made some good

While they've made some good mutant characters, I also thought one of the biggest mistakes Marvel ever did was getting it to the point that like 25% of the world was a mutant of some sort. :p

X-Men imo was a storyline you couldn't get to the "everyone accepts mutants" or it ruined their story. This doesn't mean there couldn't be a couple mutants the public in general adored, like the Avenger, Beast! However, the majority of them should remain hated by the public at large and the number of mutants, while maybe more than a 100 world wide, should stay relatively short and more powerful than "I can light up like a light bulb." :p

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While they've made some good mutant characters, I also thought one of the biggest mistakes Marvel ever did was getting it to the point that like 25% of the world was a mutant of some sort. :p
X-Men imo was a storyline you couldn't get to the "everyone accepts mutants" or it ruined their story. This doesn't mean there couldn't be a couple mutants the public in general adored, like the Avenger, Beast! However, the majority of them should remain hated by the public at large and the number of mutants, while maybe more than a 100 world wide, should stay relatively short and more powerful than "I can light up like a light bulb." :p

You guys are missing something here as to why its important that the origins of the x-men are what they are and why they need to stay that way. The overall idea with the X-men is about living in a world that hates and fears them (much like racism is happening today). Because mutants make up a small percentage of the population, they are the minority.

The whole concept that mutants manifest their powers when they go through puberty, and having to "come out" to their friends and families mirrors what young people have to go through IRL when they come out as gay. The X-Men world is created to mirror the world we live in today. It couldn't be any more perfect.

So no, they don't need to have gotten their powers because of a spider bite or a radioactive explosion. Their powers need to be about who they are and that they were born with it to mirror the overall message we need to push in the real world which is about acceptance.

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I haven't followed the Marvel

I haven't followed the Marvel Universe very closely lately, but I do know that at one point, the mutant population was down to less than 1% of what it was previously due to the Scarlet Witch going bananas about her kids being creations of Mephisto or some nonsense. Then they got rid of the Fantastic Four. Then it's all about the Inhumans and they're the ones with superpowers now.
Basically, Fantastic Four, outside of the comics, is owned by someone other than Marvel (Fox). Additionally, the X-Men are owned by someone other than Marvel (again, Fox), So Marvel Comics kills off the Fantastic Four run and then gets rid of all the mutants. It seems like they're making an effort to make those IPs less relevant and try and force the owners to return the IPs, like Sony capitulating Spider-Man's movie IP back to Marvel. It's also why you never hear the word 'mutant' mentioned in the MCU movies. Because that gives authenticity to the X-Men movies, which are outside the MCU, and Marvel doesn't want that.
They're also in pretty bad trouble, financially. I've seen some numbers on various websites from comic store owners about all the wrong decisions Marvel has made in the last decade to put them with records lows in a lot of their publications. I wouldn't be surprised that the only thing keeping them afloat were the MCU movies.

As for being reflective of our current society, I personally think it's the other way around. I don't particularly think mutants were analogs for people not being accepted for being different, such as being gay or from another culture. I think they illustrated that no matter how different someone was, either immediately evident on the outside with blue fur/tattoos/clothing or less so just on the inside, narrow-minded people are prone to dislike/distrust what they don't know or understand. But I can see how people who were in those situations would relate to those characters in particular.

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While they've made some good mutant characters, I also thought one of the biggest mistakes Marvel ever did was getting it to the point that like 25% of the world was a mutant of some sort. :p
X-Men imo was a storyline you couldn't get to the "everyone accepts mutants" or it ruined their story. This doesn't mean there couldn't be a couple mutants the public in general adored, like the Avenger, Beast! However, the majority of them should remain hated by the public at large and the number of mutants, while maybe more than a 100 world wide, should stay relatively short and more powerful than "I can light up like a light bulb." :p
You guys are missing something here as to why its important that the origins of the x-men are what they are and why they need to stay that way. The overall idea with the X-men is about living in a world that hates and fears them (much like racism is happening today). Because mutants make up a small percentage of the population, they are the minority.
The whole concept that mutants manifest their powers when they go through puberty, and having to "come out" to their friends and families mirrors what young people have to go through IRL when they come out as gay. The X-Men world is created to mirror the world we live in today. It couldn't be any more perfect.
So no, they don't need to have gotten their powers because of a spider bite or a radioactive explosion. Their powers need to be about who they are and that they were born with it to mirror the overall message we need to push in the real world which is about acceptance.

Pretty sure I said just that and also, why they should keep the mutants to a small number.

However, I disagree on the coming out to friends and family. I don't think that was actually a factor back then. The racism angle, yes, but the coming out, seems to be something post creation :p

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I haven't followed the Marvel Universe very closely lately, but I do know that at one point, the mutant population was down to less than 1% of what it was previously due to the Scarlet Witch going bananas about her kids being creations of Mephisto or some nonsense. Then they got rid of the Fantastic Four. Then it's all about the Inhumans and they're the ones with superpowers now.
Basically, Fantastic Four, outside of the comics, is owned by someone other than Marvel (Fox). Additionally, the X-Men are owned by someone other than Marvel (again, Fox), So Marvel Comics kills off the Fantastic Four run and then gets rid of all the mutants. It seems like they're making an effort to make those IPs less relevant and try and force the owners to return the IPs, like Sony capitulating Spider-Man's movie IP back to Marvel. It's also why you never hear the word 'mutant' mentioned in the MCU movies. Because that gives authenticity to the X-Men movies, which are outside the MCU, and Marvel doesn't want that.
They're also in pretty bad trouble, financially. I've seen some numbers on various websites from comic store owners about all the wrong decisions Marvel has made in the last decade to put them with records lows in a lot of their publications. I wouldn't be surprised that the only thing keeping them afloat were the MCU movies.
As for being reflective of our current society, I personally think it's the other way around. I don't particularly think mutants were analogs for people not being accepted for being different, such as being gay or from another culture. I think they illustrated that no matter how different someone was, either immediately evident on the outside with blue fur/tattoos/clothing or less so just on the inside, narrow-minded people are prone to dislike/distrust what they don't know or understand. But I can see how people who were in those situations would relate to those characters in particular.

A little wrong.

Mutant is owned by FOX, due to them having the rights to the X-Men. That's why the MCU doesn't use the term mutants. That's why they didn't call Scarlet Witch or Quicksilver mutants in the MCU. I'd also wager, it's why they made it so neither of them are mutants anymore, in the comics, and Magneto is no longer their father :p

Fantastic Four was never a big seller. As for Spider-Man, if they're trying to ruin him, they've been failing, as Peter Parker Spider-Man has been selling well (at least was, last I checked). However, they did try to make a new Spider-Man, who's sale never took off (Miles Morales) :p Because he was suckie for Spider-Man even in the Ultimate Universe. Spider-Man = Peter Parker. Just like Batman = Bruce Wayne.

Maybe if they made Miles a Spider-Man Beyond he'd have worked better.

However, Marvel did admit to short changing X-Men, because they didn't own the movie rights, and the movie rights where were the money was, so they didn't see why advertise for the competition.

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Cobalt Azurean wrote:
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I haven't followed the Marvel Universe very closely lately, but I do know that at one point, the mutant population was down to less than 1% of what it was previously due to the Scarlet Witch going bananas about her kids being creations of Mephisto or some nonsense. Then they got rid of the Fantastic Four. Then it's all about the Inhumans and they're the ones with superpowers now.
Basically, Fantastic Four, outside of the comics, is owned by someone other than Marvel (Fox). Additionally, the X-Men are owned by someone other than Marvel (again, Fox), So Marvel Comics kills off the Fantastic Four run and then gets rid of all the mutants. It seems like they're making an effort to make those IPs less relevant and try and force the owners to return the IPs, like Sony capitulating Spider-Man's movie IP back to Marvel. It's also why you never hear the word 'mutant' mentioned in the MCU movies. Because that gives authenticity to the X-Men movies, which are outside the MCU, and Marvel doesn't want that.
They're also in pretty bad trouble, financially. I've seen some numbers on various websites from comic store owners about all the wrong decisions Marvel has made in the last decade to put them with records lows in a lot of their publications. I wouldn't be surprised that the only thing keeping them afloat were the MCU movies.
As for being reflective of our current society, I personally think it's the other way around. I don't particularly think mutants were analogs for people not being accepted for being different, such as being gay or from another culture. I think they illustrated that no matter how different someone was, either immediately evident on the outside with blue fur/tattoos/clothing or less so just on the inside, narrow-minded people are prone to dislike/distrust what they don't know or understand. But I can see how people who were in those situations would relate to those characters in particular.

I think Marvel is realizing they will never get the X-Men back. 20th Century Fox has too much of a good thing with those movies even if they don't break records they still bring in some good cash. Its evident with the latest FF movie which was absolute crap, Fox will still reboot it and try again rather than give up the rights.

By realizing that they will probably never have the movie rights back they are slowly starting to push out X-Men content once again even if they make little money. There's new X-Men toys bobbleheads, and they are working together with Fox for the new Gifted show about teens coming to terms with their powers and on the run with their parents. So, I think Marvel is starting to warm up to the X-Men again which is a good thing for us fans. They also came out with X-Men blue and gold comics.

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Wolfgang8565 wrote:
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I haven't followed the Marvel Universe very closely lately, but I do know that at one point, the mutant population was down to less than 1% of what it was previously due to the Scarlet Witch going bananas about her kids being creations of Mephisto or some nonsense. Then they got rid of the Fantastic Four. Then it's all about the Inhumans and they're the ones with superpowers now.
Basically, Fantastic Four, outside of the comics, is owned by someone other than Marvel (Fox). Additionally, the X-Men are owned by someone other than Marvel (again, Fox), So Marvel Comics kills off the Fantastic Four run and then gets rid of all the mutants. It seems like they're making an effort to make those IPs less relevant and try and force the owners to return the IPs, like Sony capitulating Spider-Man's movie IP back to Marvel. It's also why you never hear the word 'mutant' mentioned in the MCU movies. Because that gives authenticity to the X-Men movies, which are outside the MCU, and Marvel doesn't want that.
They're also in pretty bad trouble, financially. I've seen some numbers on various websites from comic store owners about all the wrong decisions Marvel has made in the last decade to put them with records lows in a lot of their publications. I wouldn't be surprised that the only thing keeping them afloat were the MCU movies.
As for being reflective of our current society, I personally think it's the other way around. I don't particularly think mutants were analogs for people not being accepted for being different, such as being gay or from another culture. I think they illustrated that no matter how different someone was, either immediately evident on the outside with blue fur/tattoos/clothing or less so just on the inside, narrow-minded people are prone to dislike/distrust what they don't know or understand. But I can see how people who were in those situations would relate to those characters in particular.
I think Marvel is realizing they will never get the X-Men back. 20th Century Fox has too much of a good thing with those movies even if they don't break records they still bring in some good cash. Its evident with the latest FF movie which was absolute crap, Fox will still reboot it and try again rather than give up the rights.
By realizing that they will probably never have the movie rights back they are slowly starting to push out X-Men content once again even if they make little money. There's new X-Men toys bobbleheads, and they are working together with Fox for the new Gifted show about teens coming to terms with their powers and on the run with their parents. So, I think Marvel is starting to warm up to the X-Men again which is a good thing for us fans. They also came out with X-Men blue and gold comics.

Now only if I didn't hate X-Men Blue :p

X-Men Gold might be promising. Might.

At the very least I still have my Peter Parker Spider-Man and Spider-Woman (may she one day get her old outfit back)! Silk and Spider-Gwen too, but I'm iffy on them :(

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I haven't followed the Marvel Universe very closely lately, but I do know that at one point, the mutant population was down to less than 1% of what it was previously due to the Scarlet Witch going bananas about her kids being creations of Mephisto or some nonsense. Then they got rid of the Fantastic Four. Then it's all about the Inhumans and they're the ones with superpowers now.
Basically, Fantastic Four, outside of the comics, is owned by someone other than Marvel (Fox). Additionally, the X-Men are owned by someone other than Marvel (again, Fox), So Marvel Comics kills off the Fantastic Four run and then gets rid of all the mutants. It seems like they're making an effort to make those IPs less relevant and try and force the owners to return the IPs, like Sony capitulating Spider-Man's movie IP back to Marvel. It's also why you never hear the word 'mutant' mentioned in the MCU movies. Because that gives authenticity to the X-Men movies, which are outside the MCU, and Marvel doesn't want that.
They're also in pretty bad trouble, financially. I've seen some numbers on various websites from comic store owners about all the wrong decisions Marvel has made in the last decade to put them with records lows in a lot of their publications. I wouldn't be surprised that the only thing keeping them afloat were the MCU movies.
As for being reflective of our current society, I personally think it's the other way around. I don't particularly think mutants were analogs for people not being accepted for being different, such as being gay or from another culture. I think they illustrated that no matter how different someone was, either immediately evident on the outside with blue fur/tattoos/clothing or less so just on the inside, narrow-minded people are prone to dislike/distrust what they don't know or understand. But I can see how people who were in those situations would relate to those characters in particular.
I think Marvel is realizing they will never get the X-Men back. 20th Century Fox has too much of a good thing with those movies even if they don't break records they still bring in some good cash. Its evident with the latest FF movie which was absolute crap, Fox will still reboot it and try again rather than give up the rights.
By realizing that they will probably never have the movie rights back they are slowly starting to push out X-Men content once again even if they make little money. There's new X-Men toys bobbleheads, and they are working together with Fox for the new Gifted show about teens coming to terms with their powers and on the run with their parents. So, I think Marvel is starting to warm up to the X-Men again which is a good thing for us fans. They also came out with X-Men blue and gold comics.
Now only if I didn't hate X-Men Blue :p
X-Men Gold might be promising. Might.
At the very least I still have my Peter Parker Spider-Man and Spider-Woman (may she one day get her old outfit back)! Silk and Spider-Gwen too, but I'm iffy on them :(

I actually have not read the gold or blue comics. I was never a fan of the comics, although I would buy them occasionally and read them out of order, but lately I have been catching up with a lot of the storylines.

And that's good you have Spiderman. Im not a fan, but I really liked him in the Civil War movie and im definitely gonna check out in Homecoming.

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Thanks for the info. Maybe I

Thanks for the info. Maybe I should get back into comics.

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Actually Stan has said many,

Actually Stan has said many, many times that ALL Super-Heroes in the Marvel Comic 'verse are Mutants. The X-men focus on that because, well, that is what the title was meant for; to highlight the interactions between "normals" and "mutants".

That Radioactive Spider? Activated the X-Gene in Peters DNA. Tony Starks Mechanical Aptitude? Again an activated X-Gene that allows him to build micro miniaturized versions of regular items. Etc, etc.

Sadly, when Fox got the rights to the X-men movies, they INSISTED that it include the right to the term Mutant as well, because the X-men were mutants. And totally missed that point that ALL of the Marvel Heroes were mutants. Sadly the other studios are locked out of the ability to use the same term.

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Well then, Marvel comics

Well then, Marvel comics missed the Stan lee statement, because Tony was never considered a mutant or even a mutate. Spidey is at times considered a mutant by people, but will say he's not.

Mutants don't even consider those heroes mutants, as they weren't born mutants. Outside factor to get power, not a mutant. Power triggered due to stresser or just waking up and boom...mutant!

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Actually Stan has said many, many times that ALL Super-Heroes in the Marvel Comic 'verse are Mutants. The X-men focus on that because, well, that is what the title was meant for; to highlight the interactions between "normals" and "mutants".>

Not that I follow Stan closely, but I can't say in my travels across comic books and the internet that I've heard that before, so it's news to me. That doesn't mean it's not true, or was at one point, but as with any new writer to a series, or with retconns, things can and do change.

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It would be interesting if

It would be interesting if that were true. I would like to believe that all Marvel characters are tied together somehow, but then how do you explain characters like Thor?

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I've heard it before, it just

I've heard it before, it just doesn't seem to be given much lip service in the comics.

Thor would be other worldly, however. While heroes on Earth (humans) with powers would be mutants.

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Actually Stan has said many, many times that ALL Super-Heroes in the Marvel Comic 'verse are Mutants. The X-men focus on that because, well, that is what the title was meant for; to highlight the interactions between "normals" and "mutants".
That Radioactive Spider? Activated the X-Gene in Peters DNA. Tony Starks Mechanical Aptitude? Again an activated X-Gene that allows him to build micro miniaturized versions of regular items. Etc, etc.

Are you confusing Marvel and Champions? According to Champions cosmology, all powers are derived from magic. From the Hero System 6th Ed. Champions Universe manual:

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It would be interesting if that were true. I would like to believe that all Marvel characters are tied together somehow, but then how do you explain characters like Thor?

The Earth X, Universe X, Paradise X series had a solid take on how the entire Marvel Universe worked. It was non-canon but man, it was a good story. Literally one of my favorites of all time.

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Actually Stan has said many, many times that ALL Super-Heroes in the Marvel Comic 'verse are Mutants. The X-men focus on that because, well, that is what the title was meant for; to highlight the interactions between "normals" and "mutants".
That Radioactive Spider? Activated the X-Gene in Peters DNA. Tony Starks Mechanical Aptitude? Again an activated X-Gene that allows him to build micro miniaturized versions of regular items. Etc, etc.
Sadly, when Fox got the rights to the X-men movies, they INSISTED that it include the right to the term Mutant as well, because the X-men were mutants. And totally missed that point that ALL of the Marvel Heroes were mutants. Sadly the other studios are locked out of the ability to use the same term.

Stan might have said that (though I've never seen that quote) but that's not the official stand of Marvel Comics. Mutants are born with their powers (though they might be dormant until puberty), and are considered to be a separate evolutionary branch of humanity (Homo Superior). Mutates receive their powers later on "artificially". And I've never seen Tony Stark's engineering skill described as a "Super Power" in-universe in that way (he's not like Forge, for instance).

Now - in Marvel's "Ultimates" universe, the "Mutant race" was revealed to be side effects of super-soldier experiments back in WWII. So in that universe the line between mutant and mutate are a lot fuzzier there. But that's not the "616" universe.

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It would be interesting if that were true. I would like to believe that all Marvel characters are tied together somehow, but then how do you explain characters like Thor?
The Earth X, Universe X, Paradise X series had a solid take on how the entire Marvel Universe worked. It was non-canon but man, it was a good story. Literally one of my favorites of all time.

I was just about to write this when I read your comment. Quoted for truth. Captain Marvel was and is probably one of my favorite supers of all time and this story line was amazing. I too was a Jim Lee era reader / collector all the way up to issue 22 I think when he left the book. I like the X-Men and the idea behind mutation as a way to acquire powers. I think it works as far as science goes (in comics). And to me I always did read them as though the mutants were the outcasts of society. Those groups of people normies didn't like because they were different and to me at least it read like it represented all of the minority groups we have today not just racism. As for the movies, I must admit I like them all. Although, I do wish that the Dark Phoenix story line will include the Mkraan Crystal and the Shiar, but I doubt it will happen. I mean cmon, who doesn't want to see the Shiar empire and Imperial Guard square off against the X-Men?

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It would be interesting if that were true. I would like to believe that all Marvel characters are tied together somehow, but then how do you explain characters like Thor?
The Earth X, Universe X, Paradise X series had a solid take on how the entire Marvel Universe worked. It was non-canon but man, it was a good story. Literally one of my favorites of all time.
I was just about to write this when I read your comment. Quoted for truth. Captain Marvel was and is probably one of my favorite supers of all time and this story line was amazing. I too was a Jim Lee era reader / collector all the way up to issue 22 I think when he left the book. I like the X-Men and the idea behind mutation as a way to acquire powers. I think it works as far as science goes (in comics). And to me I always did read them as though the mutants were the outcasts of society. Those groups of people normies didn't like because they were different and to me at least it read like it represented all of the minority groups we have today not just racism. As for the movies, I must admit I like them all. Although, I do wish that the Dark Phoenix story line will include the Mkraan Crystal and the Shiar, but I doubt it will happen. I mean cmon, who doesn't want to see the Shiar empire and Imperial Guard square off against the X-Men?

Actually, it is going to include the Shi'ar. They are looking at Jessica Chastain to play Lilandra. Of course, this sounds great and all but its just like Fox to ruin something good. They are casting her to play the Villain. Which in the comic and TAS story line, Lilandra was not the villain. I am wary of how this movie is gonna end up so my expectations are not gonna be too high.

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Are you confusing Marvel and Champions? According to Champions cosmology, all powers are derived from magic. From the Hero System 6th Ed. Champions Universe manual:

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Yeah I've always taken the use of the word "magic" by the Hero System as "that vague generic quality that allows characters in the game to do things that defy normal physics in the real world". So it includes not only "Harry Potter" type magic but also the type of "magic" that makes Iron Man's suits work. Basically it becomes the comic book version of the "God of the Gaps" that allows anything "not possible" in the real world to be possible in a comic book setting.

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Welp the new mutants trailer is out. I like the references the movie makes to horror classics but it kind of makes me nervous to see they went in the direction of a low budget horror movie.
I'll still watch it though but what are your thoughts?

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Welp the new mutants trailer is out. I like the references the movie makes to horror classics but it kind of makes me nervous to see they went in the direction of a low budget horror movie.
I'll still watch it though but what are your thoughts?

I think it's too early to know just how low or high budget it may look, let's wait till we see the kids powers a bit and then decide?

I like the idea of it finding it's own niche by going the horror route, and I think it makes sense. I haven't been keeping up on all the spoilers and leaked info or anything but going back to the original New Mutants graphic novel and early days, Mirage pulled people worst fears out of them and basically showed them as illusions for all to see. If they're using this as the fodder for the movie, horror makes perfect sense... Further along in the comics there was the Demon Bear storyline which (and I must admit, I'm a bit shaky on the details here, it was a while back) was also very "horror-ish".

So I'm actually pretty interested in seeing how this movie turns out. I suspect it'll be one of those things which are awesome or awful, with no middle ground.

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I liked the origin stories in the back of the comics.

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Love the X-Men, and while not my favorite X-Men, I liked Cyclops until they ruined him.

Then they ruined Rachel Summers by trying to distance her from Cyclops and make her hate him.

Came out as some of the crappiest writing imo.

In fact, X-Men has been pretty bad lately imo to what they're doing with the X-Men.

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I don't follow the comics which I guess right now is a good thing since all I seem to hear right now from a lot of different people is how bad the comics are right now lol.

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Anyone watching The Gifted?

Anyone watching The Gifted?

I just watched the third episode last night and I can't believe how good it is. I hate the standard network hero shows like Agents of Shield, Flash, Supergirl, they are all so blah but this show is so good I can't wait to watch the next episode.

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When was the last time you watched AoS? That's been awesome!

Supergirl has been sucking, but I keep watching because I keep hoping.

Flash has been fun, but finally they're giving us a different villain who isn't about SPEED!

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When was the last time you watched AoS? That's been awesome!
Supergirl has been sucking, but I keep watching because I keep hoping.
Flash has been fun, but finally they're giving us a different villain who isn't about SPEED!

In all honesty I think I watched the first episode of AoS and stopped lol. Maybe I will give it another chance. Have you watched The Gifted yet?

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Friends of mine who talked about Agents of Shield say that it took a while before the show "found itself" and started getting good. Like most of the first season wasn't that great and then once they didn't have to be a weekly advertisement for a Marvel Movie they started getting much better.

The only superhero show I'm watching is Supergirl, and I'm still thoroughly enjoying it.


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Friends of mine who talked about Agents of Shield say that it took a while before the show "found itself" and started getting good. Like most of the first season wasn't that great and then once they didn't have to be a weekly advertisement for a Marvel Movie they started getting much better.

This pretty much. The show started a few months before Winter Soldier came out in theatres, so that alone hamstringed the first half of season one. After that point the show gets better - slowly at first but it does get better. Season four (the last one) in particular, with it's 3 mini arcs tied together by a larger arc was well done IMHO - the three mini arcs kept any one storyline from getting too worn out or stale, it kept things moving at a good pace, and it was tied up nicely at the end.

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Anyone watching The Gifted?
I just watched the third episode last night and I can't believe how good it is. I hate the standard network hero shows like Agents of Shield, Flash, Supergirl, they are all so blah but this show is so good I can't wait to watch the next episode.

I am watching The Gifted atm. I am enjoying it -- LOTS more than that Mutant X kitty litter!

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I just watched the third episode last night and I can't believe how good it is. I hate the standard network hero shows like Agents of Shield, Flash, Supergirl, they are all so blah but this show is so good I can't wait to watch the next episode.
I am watching The Gifted atm. I am enjoying it -- LOTS more than that Mutant X kitty litter!

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Haven't watched the Gifted

Haven't watched the Gifted yet, however as others have said AoS gets way better. Every season has been an improvement over the last.

That said, I didn't mind the beginning of AoS, at least, not enough to drop it after one episode. Some shows take a bit to get their legs and AoS really started running somewhere middle/end of Season 1 and kept getting faster :)

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Friends of mine who talked about Agents of Shield say that it took a while before the show "found itself" and started getting good. Like most of the first season wasn't that great and then once they didn't have to be a weekly advertisement for a Marvel Movie they started getting much better.

Brand X wrote:

...however as others have said AoS gets way better. Every season has been an improvement over the last.

That said, I didn't mind the beginning of AoS, at least, not enough to drop it after one episode. Some shows take a bit to get their legs and AoS really started running somewhere middle/end of Season 1 and kept getting faster :)

That figures. I really, really wanted to like that show. So much so that I literally watched every single episode of the first season. But each episode, at least to me, was so much of a chore to sit still for that it was more like minor torture than light entertainment. Naturally based on that I've never seen an episode since.

It's hard to explain what annoyed me so much about it. I think it was that it had this strange presumption that it expected you to "instantly love" every character like you've been watching them for 20 years yet I couldn't actually sympathize with any of them. It's like it didn't want to give you any time to actually get to know the characters and learn to care for them naturally. I guess bottomline it tried way too hard to be something I was supposed to instantly care about but didn't.

So yeah it figures it's probably better now - I'll take your guy's word for that. But to me a show shouldn't need multiple SEASONS to get good, it ought to be good pretty much right out of the gate. At least I gave it a serious chance, not just one or two episodes. Oh well...

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I don't know if I'd say it took multiple seasons, but rather multiple episodes, it just kept improving every season (AoS also has the best Ghost Rider on screen so far and I personally love Quake :) ) TNG wasn't great the first season either.

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I don't know if I'd say it took multiple seasons, but rather multiple episodes, it just kept improving every season (AoS also has the best Ghost Rider on screen so far and I personally love Quake :) ) TNG wasn't great the first season either.

Again I'll take your word that AoS may be watchable now. For me the first season simply started out bad and took a nosedive from there. I can tell you I actually did watch it but I couldn't tell you anything about the stories now since it was so literally forgettable at that point.

TNG's first season was definitely weak, especially compared to the later seasons. But frankly by the time they killed off Tasha Yar (towards the end of the season) I actually thought that was fairly impactful and bold (at least for Star Trek). On the other hand they could have killed off just about any of the random people on AoS at that point (except for maybe Coulson himself) and I'm not sure I would have cared less.

By the end of the first season the AoS "gang" were all trying way too hard to be like a new version of the "Scooby gang" from Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Coulson=Giles, Ward=Angel, Wen=Faith, Skye=Buffy, Simmons=Willow, etc.) and failing miserably at it. I guess that comparison sort of made a tiny bit of sense with Joss and Jed Whedon being involved with the show but it was still a hopeless mess to me.

Sorry I didn't give it multiple seasons to finally "grow" on me but like I said shows shouldn't take multiple seasons worth of episodes to become good.

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Lothic, you should really try

Lothic, you should really try watching The Gifted. By episode two I think you will really enjoy it.

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The Gifted has caught my

The Gifted has caught my attention. When I first saw it advertised, I was *very* wary, as Mutant X had left a horrendous taste in my mouth.

Now, I watch it every week on the Fox web page. They immediately had my attention when, in the 1st episode, one character called the other "Lorna". I was reminded of a character in an old X-Men comic that my uncle had let me read when I was a child. I was not disappointed, as it turns out that she is, indeed, *that* character!

They even gave her a teal sheen in her hair (the comic book character had green hair, if I remember right.)

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Lothic, you should really try watching The Gifted. By episode two I think you will really enjoy it.

Heh thanks, I actually planned to give that one a look. With Stephen Moyer and Amy Acker in the cast I'm pretty much almost required to give it at least a few episodes regardless. ;)

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Heh thanks, I actually planned to give that one a look. With Stephen Moyer and Amy Acker in the cast I'm pretty much almost required to give it at least a few episodes regardless. ;)

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They even gave her a teal sheen in her hair (the comic book character had green hair, if I remember right.)

You remember right; Lorna Dane a.k.a. Polaris has green hair in the comics.

MILD SPOILER WARNING:

Apparently, this version dyes her hair, presumably because the natural green color would be too easily noticed. I love this sort of nod to the original stories!

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Wow, so who has been watching

Wow, so who has been watching The Gifted? That last episode was AMAZING

SPOILERS

I am a bit sad they killed off that one mutant, she was cool, but it made the scene that much more dramatic.

And I cant believe how it ended, The Stepford Cuckoos are so bad ass!

What did you guys think?

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Disney owns FOX now...so the X-Men will get the full Marvel Movie treatment. Disney has the right people in charge of the Marvel Movies.

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Disney owns FOX now...so the X-Men will get the full Marvel Movie treatment. Disney has the right people in charge of the Marvel Movies.

They announced plans to acquire 21st Century Fox on the fourteenth. Such an acquisition would still require approval both by 21CF and by (IIRC) the Federal Trade Commission.

But it would be nice, to have a Marvel Cinematic Reunification. ^_^

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Huge fan of the X-Men! Loved the cartoon shows, the original 90's one up to Wolverine and the X-Men. The original live action X-Men trilogy was the most amazing thing ever when it first came out, but since then I'm kind of jaded on all the movies. Except Logan. Logan was amazing. Looking forward to the MCU doing a full reboot and giving us some X-Men movies we can be proud of. Haven't watched The Gifted yet, didn't look all that great so I'll probably binge watch when the season is complete. I actually hated AoS when it first came out. I couldn't get through the first season. It just felt disappointing after Avengers. But once you get past that first season (which still sucks tbh) it turns into an amazing show. They've done so much awesome stuff with it. Very different from anything else in the MCU, but still feels very much a part of that universe.

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Huge fan of the X-Men! Loved the cartoon shows, the original 90's one up to Wolverine and the X-Men. The original live action X-Men trilogy was the most amazing thing ever when it first came out, but since then I'm kind of jaded on all the movies. Except Logan. Logan was amazing. Looking forward to the MCU doing a full reboot and giving us some X-Men movies we can be proud of. Haven't watched The Gifted yet, didn't look all that great so I'll probably binge watch when the season is complete. I actually hated AoS when it first came out. I couldn't get through the first season. It just felt disappointing after Avengers. But once you get past that first season (which still sucks tbh) it turns into an amazing show. They've done so much awesome stuff with it. Very different from anything else in the MCU, but still feels very much a part of that universe.

Favorite X-Men tends to jump between Wolverine and Nightcrawler. Also really like Wolfsbane and Gambit. Deadpool is an all-time great.

I also was a huge fan of the 90's cartoon. I still watch them every once in a while. I agree though, it is hard to have any hope for a good X-Men movie after Apocalypse. I did enjoy Days of Future Past though and yeah Logan was pretty good. You should really watch The Gifted when you get a chance I think you will enjoy it. I tried AoS and I just couldn't get into it. I shouldn't have to get through a whole season to start liking a show, but by episode 3 of The Gifted I was hooked.

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Maybe now we'll actually get Jubilee on the big screen properly!

I would love to see Jubilee unleash a flurry of fireworks at a sentinel and watch them fly back in a live action movie. I hope Kinberg has clarity as to what we X-Men fans really want and does not disappoint us in Dark Phoenix. Even if he does, I have hope Marvel/Disney will know what to do with the X-Men.

But there will always be a little place in my heart for the original cast of the x-men films and hope that I will see them team up once again.

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I think now would be a good

I think now would be a good time to cancel that and work on the reboot.

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Maybe now we'll actually get Squirrel Girl on the big screen properly!

I correcticated that for you, Brandy!

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Maybe now we'll actually get Squirrel Girl on the big screen properly!

I correcticated that for you, Brandy!

But she's the suckiest suck that ever did suck. She sucks!

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Brand X wrote:
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Amerikatt wrote:
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Maybe now we'll actually get Squirrel Girl on the big screen properly!

I correcticated that for you, Brandy!

But she's the suckiest suck that ever did suck. She sucks!

She could team up with Alvin & the Chipmunks (plus Chip & Dale) and do a musical mystery tour!

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Don't forget Ch'p from the

Don't forget Ch'p from the Green Lantern Corps!

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What about Secret Squirrel?

What about Secret Squirrel? Or Danger Mouse and Morocco Mole? And the rescuers? The great mouse detective. Mighty mouse. Uh... Mrs. Frisby.

At least add Mrs. Frisby to the team.

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I just want to see

I just want to see Nightcrawler represented properly OP. In the comics, he's a master swordsman, also trained with tonfas and other weapons, and capable of triple-wielding. Add in the teleporting, ridiculous acrobatic abilities, wall-crawling, super-stealth (mutant camo ability), etc, and you have a character that's nearly impossible to touch or survive. This is a guy who easily defeated Deadpool by decapitating him and teleporting his head away from the rest of his body so he couldn't regenerate.

Yet... in the movies we only get this weasely, timid, unsure-of-himself, no-combat-training one-trick-pony who just happens to look like Nightcrawler. The closest he's gotten was the opening scene in X2, but that was "mind controlled" so doesn't count.

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Can we get a comics accurate

Can we get a comics accurate cyclops too? You know, defeated the entire X-Men team without using his powers while the X-Men legit tried to kill him?

Also can we get Beak on the big screen? Poor Beak.

Ooh and an Exiles show of some kind?

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Legit Cyclops would mean,

Legit Cyclops would mean, they'd have to make him like Captain America, except with no enhanced strength (they seem to have pretty equal endurance) or run speed.

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Brand X wrote:
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Legit Cyclops would mean, they'd have to make him like Captain America, except with no enhanced strength (they seem to have pretty equal endurance) or run speed.

He would be like an arrogant bossy cap lol

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BiotopeZ wrote:
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I just want to see Nightcrawler represented properly OP. In the comics, he's a master swordsman, also trained with tonfas and other weapons, and capable of triple-wielding. Add in the teleporting, ridiculous acrobatic abilities, wall-crawling, super-stealth (mutant camo ability), etc, and you have a character that's nearly impossible to touch or survive. This is a guy who easily defeated Deadpool by decapitating him and teleporting his head away from the rest of his body so he couldn't regenerate.

Yet... in the movies we only get this weasely, timid, unsure-of-himself, no-combat-training one-trick-pony who just happens to look like Nightcrawler. The closest he's gotten was the opening scene in X2, but that was "mind controlled" so doesn't count.

I agree. It really bugged me how they made up this electric fence stuff that prevents him from teleporting in X-Men Apocalypse.

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